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In fact, Gronk's nonchalant body language makes it appear as though he didn't even realize the ball was thrown to him. That's how off the pass was. Kuechly had good position.
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Yeah the only way that particular pass could be deemed catchable is if Lester (the db) or any other defender besides kuechly was not a part of the play
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Blame Brady for the underthrow
Blame Gronk for not fighting back toward the ball
There were 2 defenders between Gronk and the poorly thrown ball.
If the ball was thrown in a catchable area, ie higher and toward the back of the endzone, Kuechly would have been called for PI b/c he didn't turn around to locate the ball.
The actual wrap up of Gronk didn't happen until the ball was waaay short and falling into the hands of the defender.
Kuechly's barely extended arms before that point were NOT interfering with Gronk. If that's what anyone is arguing then you're saying PI should be called on every play.
best explanation I've read.....if anything that should have been holding....no way that ball was catchable...even if Luke wasn't holding him he still would have had to run through two defenders to even have a chance at that ball -
The actual wrap up of Gronk didn't happen until the ball was waaay short and falling into the hands of the defender.
Kuechly's barely extended arms before that point were NOT interfering with Gronk. If that's what anyone is arguing then you're saying PI should be called on every play.
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the bitterness is so strong, makes posters unintelligent...ha ha -
Case closed. Are ? even looking at the gifs and pics.
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The actual wrap up of Gronk didn't happen until the ball was waaay short and falling into the hands of the defender.
Kuechly's barely extended arms before that point were NOT interfering with Gronk. If that's what anyone is arguing then you're saying PI should be called on every play.
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the bitterness is so strong, makes posters unintelligent...ha ha
"ball is waaay short and falling into the hands of the defender"
Look at the trajectory of the ball and where Gronk is... -
Nikkas still goin' off about that play huh? lol. No fuxx given.
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The actual wrap up of Gronk didn't happen until the ball was waaay short and falling into the hands of the defender.
Kuechly's barely extended arms before that point were NOT interfering with Gronk. If that's what anyone is arguing then you're saying PI should be called on every play.
*dead*
the bitterness is so strong, makes posters unintelligent...ha ha
even if Luke wasn't holding the safety was still well in position to intercept that ball....Gronkowski had no chance to catch that pass.... -
The actual wrap up of Gronk didn't happen until the ball was waaay short and falling into the hands of the defender.
Kuechly's barely extended arms before that point were NOT interfering with Gronk. If that's what anyone is arguing then you're saying PI should be called on every play.
*dead*
the bitterness is so strong, makes posters unintelligent...ha ha
"ball is waaay short and falling into the hands of the defender"
Look at the trajectory of the ball and where Gronk is...
And look at what is impeding Gronks movement towards the ball. Thats the interference.
This picture was actually after he was already being held back for a sec or two -
themadlionsfan wrote: »
best explanation I've read.....if anything that should have been holding....no way that ball was catchable...even if Luke wasn't holding him he still would have had to run through two defenders to even have a chance at that ball
the ball was about a yard in the air..you telling me a all pro tight end couldnt make an adjustment to catch a ball that he may need to take two steps back??
ha ha what do you n*ggas be watching when you watch these games...lol
gronk has video footage of him catching ? where he has to dive to get, catching td passes with defenders all over him..and we got posters claiming he would not of been able to catch a ball over, or at least block a defender (the CB that caught the ball) who is clearly not bigger then gronk..
oh man..im dying laughin..this is too much! -
themadlionsfan wrote: »
best explanation I've read.....if anything that should have been holding....no way that ball was catchable...even if Luke wasn't holding him he still would have had to run through two defenders to even have a chance at that ball
the ball was about a yard in the air..you telling me a all pro tight end couldnt make an adjustment to catch a ball that he may need to take two steps back??
ha ha what do you n*ggas be watching when you watch these games...lol
gronk has video footage of him catching ? where he has to dive to get, catching td passes with defenders all over him..and we got posters claiming he would not of been able to catch a ball over, or at least block a defender (the CB that caught the ball) who is clearly not bigger then gronk..
oh man..im dying laughin..this is too much!
He hasn't even shifted his leverage in that pic and he never did. He's looking back as if he doesn't even see the ball, or he sees that It's so short that fighting back toward the ball would be a waste of effort. His posture is as if he's waiting for the ball to come in high so he can jump for it. -
themadlionsfan wrote: »
best explanation I've read.....if anything that should have been holding....no way that ball was catchable...even if Luke wasn't holding him he still would have had to run through two defenders to even have a chance at that ball
the ball was about a yard in the air..you telling me a all pro tight end couldnt make an adjustment to catch a ball that he may need to take two steps back??
ha ha what do you n*ggas be watching when you watch these games...lol
gronk has video footage of him catching ? where he has to dive to get, catching td passes with defenders all over him..and we got posters claiming he would not of been able to catch a ball over, or at least block a defender (the CB that caught the ball) who is clearly not bigger then gronk..
oh man..im dying laughin..this is too much!
and just how was he going to get around that safety that was directly in front of the ball?....
that ball was thrown low...so were you expecting to somehow dive under that safety who had to go to the ground to pick that ball off?.....that ball was low....there is no way in hell he was going to jump over that safety to catch a ball in which the safety had to go the ground to catch....if that ball was higher you'd have a point -
themadlionsfan wrote: »themadlionsfan wrote: »
best explanation I've read.....if anything that should have been holding....no way that ball was catchable...even if Luke wasn't holding him he still would have had to run through two defenders to even have a chance at that ball
the ball was about a yard in the air..you telling me a all pro tight end couldnt make an adjustment to catch a ball that he may need to take two steps back??
ha ha what do you n*ggas be watching when you watch these games...lol
gronk has video footage of him catching ? where he has to dive to get, catching td passes with defenders all over him..and we got posters claiming he would not of been able to catch a ball over, or at least block a defender (the CB that caught the ball) who is clearly not bigger then gronk..
oh man..im dying laughin..this is too much!
and just how was he going to get around that safety that was directly in front of the ball?....
that ball was thrown low...so were you expecting to somehow dive under that safety who had to go to the ground to pick that ball off?.....that ball was low....there is no way in hell he was going to jump over that safety to catch a ball in which the safety had to go the ground to catch....if that ball was higher you'd have a point
If he was not being held while the ball was in the air he would have been able to come back to the ball. -
yunn~sancob!m!t wrote: »That call was blown point blank. Cause even if he couldnt make that catch he could of At least try to disrupt ole boy from making the int. That is what makes it a interference.
oh so best case scenario is offensive pass interference?
he interfered. there is no doubt about that. but the reason why the ball was uncatchable is pretty clear and shouldn't require any further explanation
The ball wasn't uncatchable
jumping back in front of a defender who has already jumped the route is pretty much the same thing as saying uncatchable
"It is pass interference by either team when any player movement beyond the line of scrimmage significantly hinders the progress of an eligible player of such player’s opportunity to catch the ball."
"Actions that constitute defensive pass interference include but are not limited to:
(d) Extending an arm across the body of a receiver thus restricting his ability to catch a pass, regardless of whether the defender is playing the ball.
(e) Cutting off the path of a receiver by making contact with him without playing the ball. "
Both happened.
But the catchable ball part didn't happen -
themadlionsfan wrote: »themadlionsfan wrote: »
best explanation I've read.....if anything that should have been holding....no way that ball was catchable...even if Luke wasn't holding him he still would have had to run through two defenders to even have a chance at that ball
the ball was about a yard in the air..you telling me a all pro tight end couldnt make an adjustment to catch a ball that he may need to take two steps back??
ha ha what do you n*ggas be watching when you watch these games...lol
gronk has video footage of him catching ? where he has to dive to get, catching td passes with defenders all over him..and we got posters claiming he would not of been able to catch a ball over, or at least block a defender (the CB that caught the ball) who is clearly not bigger then gronk..
oh man..im dying laughin..this is too much!
and just how was he going to get around that safety that was directly in front of the ball?....
that ball was thrown low...so were you expecting to somehow dive under that safety who had to go to the ground to pick that ball off?.....that ball was low....there is no way in hell he was going to jump over that safety to catch a ball in which the safety had to go the ground to catch....if that ball was higher you'd have a point
If he was not being held while the ball was in the air he would have been able to come back to the ball.
and somehow catch a ball that was thrown low where the safety was in perfect position.....fact of the matter is this....that was poorly thrown....if The Golden Boy would have put more air under that ball it would have been pass interference.... -
themadlionsfan wrote: »themadlionsfan wrote: »themadlionsfan wrote: »
best explanation I've read.....if anything that should have been holding....no way that ball was catchable...even if Luke wasn't holding him he still would have had to run through two defenders to even have a chance at that ball
the ball was about a yard in the air..you telling me a all pro tight end couldnt make an adjustment to catch a ball that he may need to take two steps back??
ha ha what do you n*ggas be watching when you watch these games...lol
gronk has video footage of him catching ? where he has to dive to get, catching td passes with defenders all over him..and we got posters claiming he would not of been able to catch a ball over, or at least block a defender (the CB that caught the ball) who is clearly not bigger then gronk..
oh man..im dying laughin..this is too much!
and just how was he going to get around that safety that was directly in front of the ball?....
that ball was thrown low...so were you expecting to somehow dive under that safety who had to go to the ground to pick that ball off?.....that ball was low....there is no way in hell he was going to jump over that safety to catch a ball in which the safety had to go the ground to catch....if that ball was higher you'd have a point
If he was not being held while the ball was in the air he would have been able to come back to the ball.
and somehow catch a ball that was thrown low where the safety was in perfect position.....fact of the matter is this....that was poorly thrown....if The Golden Boy would have put more air under that ball it would have been pass interference....
He was only in that position perfectly because Gronk wasnt there to fight for the ball, because he was being held.... is the point... -
themadlionsfan wrote: »and just how was he going to get around that safety that was directly in front of the ball?....
that ball was thrown low...so were you expecting to somehow dive under that safety who had to go to the ground to pick that ball off?.....that ball was low....there is no way in hell he was going to jump over that safety to catch a ball in which the safety had to go the ground to catch....if that ball was higher you'd have a point
look at the gif again...the ball was not thrown low...or low enough in this case to be really deem uncatchable...like i stated, if kuechly wasnt there (just for the sake of the debate...the ball would of landed directly in gronks chest..the ball was in mid air, even at point of intereception the CB(or safety) whatever he is...caught the ball in his chest not at his own feet...u are looking at gronk AFTER HE WAS HELD BACK IN THE END ZONE, even if he made no effort..he was still held....even when the CB/Or safety who made the int he came in front of the "passing zone" WAY AFTER gronk and kuechly past him..it's right there
and again...the ball could of been knocked away at best if he wasnt held...the hold comes way before the ball is in the frame......the video/gif clearly shows that..and the dude is not bigger then gronk..like i said...u guys acting like a slight adj. by gronk could not of been made if he needed to or the safety was that much ahead of gronk without the hold.
argue it's a hold, argue it's interference...argue whatever you like, it was a foul and should of been at the 1 yard line..whether they made it in or not is another story.
i'm good now..ha ha you all can have this topic to yourselves... -
Defender had to dive to catch it
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And I can't really blame Brady too much . I mean it's gotta be very difficult to run a play without already knowing ahead of time what the defense is doing before the play even starts
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That ? was pi, but I ain't tripping off the pats not getting a call
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Shizlansky wrote: »Defender had to dive to catch it
Uncatchable
*let the video evidence show, he doesnt have to dive to catch the ball....but side to the ground AFTER he catches the ball on his feet.* -
themadlionsfan wrote: »themadlionsfan wrote: »themadlionsfan wrote: »
best explanation I've read.....if anything that should have been holding....no way that ball was catchable...even if Luke wasn't holding him he still would have had to run through two defenders to even have a chance at that ball
the ball was about a yard in the air..you telling me a all pro tight end couldnt make an adjustment to catch a ball that he may need to take two steps back??
ha ha what do you n*ggas be watching when you watch these games...lol
gronk has video footage of him catching ? where he has to dive to get, catching td passes with defenders all over him..and we got posters claiming he would not of been able to catch a ball over, or at least block a defender (the CB that caught the ball) who is clearly not bigger then gronk..
oh man..im dying laughin..this is too much!
and just how was he going to get around that safety that was directly in front of the ball?....
that ball was thrown low...so were you expecting to somehow dive under that safety who had to go to the ground to pick that ball off?.....that ball was low....there is no way in hell he was going to jump over that safety to catch a ball in which the safety had to go the ground to catch....if that ball was higher you'd have a point
If he was not being held while the ball was in the air he would have been able to come back to the ball.
and somehow catch a ball that was thrown low where the safety was in perfect position.....fact of the matter is this....that was poorly thrown....if The Golden Boy would have put more air under that ball it would have been pass interference....
He was only in that position perfectly because Gronk wasnt there to fight for the ball, because he was being held.... is the point...
As you can see in the gifs, Gronk was NOT being held. He was lightly touched. He was back pedalling on his own. A hold has to be sold, ie try to move and you can't. Someone who saw that ball and decided to fight toward it would have pushed through Kuechly or at least tried to swim move back past him to go toward the ball. At that point the grab would have warranted a flag. -
.gronk was running towards the goalpost. At the exact moment he stopped his run, (and like grabbed him) Lester broke on the ball . It wouldn't be humanly possible for gronk to get back and step in front of Lester given the amount of time that would have took
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themadlionsfan wrote: »themadlionsfan wrote: »themadlionsfan wrote: »
best explanation I've read.....if anything that should have been holding....no way that ball was catchable...even if Luke wasn't holding him he still would have had to run through two defenders to even have a chance at that ball
the ball was about a yard in the air..you telling me a all pro tight end couldnt make an adjustment to catch a ball that he may need to take two steps back??
ha ha what do you n*ggas be watching when you watch these games...lol
gronk has video footage of him catching ? where he has to dive to get, catching td passes with defenders all over him..and we got posters claiming he would not of been able to catch a ball over, or at least block a defender (the CB that caught the ball) who is clearly not bigger then gronk..
oh man..im dying laughin..this is too much!
and just how was he going to get around that safety that was directly in front of the ball?....
that ball was thrown low...so were you expecting to somehow dive under that safety who had to go to the ground to pick that ball off?.....that ball was low....there is no way in hell he was going to jump over that safety to catch a ball in which the safety had to go the ground to catch....if that ball was higher you'd have a point
If he was not being held while the ball was in the air he would have been able to come back to the ball.
and somehow catch a ball that was thrown low where the safety was in perfect position.....fact of the matter is this....that was poorly thrown....if The Golden Boy would have put more air under that ball it would have been pass interference....
He was only in that position perfectly because Gronk wasnt there to fight for the ball, because he was being held.... is the point...
As you can see in the gifs, Gronk was NOT being held. He was lightly touched. He was back pedalling on his own. A hold has to be sold, ie try to move and you can't. Someone who saw that ball and decided to fight toward it would have pushed through Kuechly or at least tried to swim move back past him to go toward the ball. At that point the grab would have warranted a flag.
Do you or do you not see Gronk plant his foot to slow his momentum down. At that moment without the defender impeding his progress he would've stepped to the ball. How can you not see this -
He planted his foot the same time boy caught the ball.
