When exactly is the golden era of hiphop

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whatevathehell
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They got this golden era tour rollilng through charlotte this weekend and while I want to go see the acts they got lined up dont represent the best of the era or even the time frame itself..I dont know yall let me know would you drop 40-60 bucks on some tickets.


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the geto boys supposed to be performing too and thats really the only group Im excited to see. Epmd had some hits but I was never up on there albums like that and I was and still am a big naughty by nature fan but treach by himself...even if he did write all vinny rhymes....? that ? it aint the same. Das efx were like 2 hit wonders...ANd rakim came a little bit before what I consider the golden era

who would yall rather see or have replaced.
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  • _Goldie_
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    To me personally I think its 87-99. But I think its from 87-96 , I see some say 87-94.
  • EarPlug0128
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  • _Lefty
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    88-97. I think the golden era ended when B.I.G. died, and it became more about money than skills. Shiny suits and all that, we findin our way back, and you can get what you want in hip-hop today because it's so vast(thanks internet). But every year from 88 to 97 there was a seminal album that influences a lot of what you see today. I have a bias because I grew up during that era, but at the same time, you have to realize that everybody doesn't listen to the same thing as everyone else anymore, so it's hard to have one of those stuck in time records because there are so many options now(thanks internet). But if you ask me after B.I.G. died, money began to precede the art and in turn diluted the music. ? don't even wait for albums like they used to. There's a lot of good music out there now, but the difference is, we all don't share it, when we do, the culture moves, and fellowship is one of the best parts of being human. The closest thing we've had since then was that Jay album droppin at midnight last summer, I was lurkin then, but we all got it at the same time and listened, enjoyed, debated and critiqued all together, in the time period I'm referencing, ? was doin that like every 3 months. Plus back then, the only way to know what was goin on in the hood across the country, was to listen to the music. It was a dope, dope time.
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  • nujerz84
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    Usually two golden eras 84-88
    91-95
  • Stew
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  • the ghost
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    Dr.Evil wrote: »
    To me personally I think its 87-99.

    Same here.
  • 5 Grand
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    This is a sad thread. I'm 40. When I first got online I joined a messageboard called oldschoolhiphop.com which was comprised of people in my generation. We agreed that old school is from 79-86 and Golden Era is from 87-91.

    The reason the Golden Era is from 87-91 is because there were no sampling laws. You could sample anything from James Brown to Marvin Gaye to Sly Stone to Aretha Franklin and you didn't have to pay for it. As a result songs would have a main sample and then the DJ/ Producer would scratch in samples (or cuts) from other records. Albums like Strait Outta Compton, Niggaz4life, Amerikkas Most Wanted, 3 Feet High And Rising, Critical Beatdown, It Takes A Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back, Fear of a Black Planet and Paul's Boutique couldn't exist after 1991 because the sample laws changed.

    The turning point was when Biz Markie sampled a song called "Alone Again" by Gilbert O'Sullivan in 1991. Biz took the title of the song, sampled the beat and re-sang the chorus. He tried to clear the sample but O'Sullivan wouldn't clear it. For some reason Biz released the song anyway even though O'Sullivan said he couldn't sample it. So Gilbert O'Sullivan took Biz Markie to court. Rather than plead guilty, Biz took it to trial and argued that he's not guilty because everybody samples. He said "that's part of the artform". Well, the judge wasn't having it and likened Biz to a common thief. Ever since then you have to clear every sample, drum hit, scratch and bassline. So as a result, you don't hear the complexity of samples that you heard back in the late 80s/early 90s.

    By the time it got to Nas, Biggie and Tupac's era of the mid 90s you had to clear all of your samples. Dr Dre and the guys on the West coast replayed samples. Down South they used drum machines and keyboards and made original compositions. Guys on the East Coast (Pete Rock and CL Smooth, Black Moon, Wu Tang, etc.) sampled but it wasn't the same. Back in the 80s you could have 3 or 4 scratches from different records all on the same song. But that all came to a halt after the Gilbert O'Sullivan trial.
  • KneeGro_DuperMan
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    From 1987 to 1997.
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  • _Goldie_
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    I dont get how anyone can say 87-91 when hip hop's peak quality wise came after 91.
  • blackbloc
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    i think a lot of poster are confusing a golden era with the commercial successful ear. i thought a golden ear was when something was seen as pure and not tainted with $$. so id would say 1979-1990
  • Stew
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    Dr.Evil wrote: »
    I dont get how anyone can say 87-91 when hip hop's peak quality wise came after 91.

    Thats what Im sayin. ? was barely even national during those years.
  • 5 Grand
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    Dr.Evil wrote: »
    I dont get how anyone can say 87-91 when hip hop's peak quality wise came after 91.

    People born between 1960-1980 would disagree with you

  • blackbloc
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    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_hip_hop

    hip hop's "golden age" is a name given to a period in mainstream hip hop, usually cited as being a period varying in time frames during the mid 1980s to the mid 1990s said to be characterized by its diversity, quality, innovation and influence.[1][2][3][4][5][6] There were various types of subject matter, while the music was experimental and the sampling eclectic.[7] The artists most often associated with the phrase are Run–D.M.C., Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, Boogie Down Productions, Eric B. & Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, De La Soul, Gang Starr, Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth, EPMD, A Tribe Called Quest, Slick Rick, and the Jungle Brothers.[8] Releases by these acts co-existed in this period with, and were as commercially viable as, those of early gangsta rap artists such as Ice-T, Geto Boys and N.W.A, the sex raps of 2 Live Crew, and party-oriented music by acts such as Kid 'n Play, The Fat Boys, DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince and MC Hammer.[9]
  • _Goldie_
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    5 Grand wrote: »
    Dr.Evil wrote: »
    I dont get how anyone can say 87-91 when hip hop's peak quality wise came after 91.

    People born between 1960-1980 would disagree with you

    Many born during that time would agree with me as well.
  • Stew
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    5 Grand wrote: »
    Dr.Evil wrote: »
    I dont get how anyone can say 87-91 when hip hop's peak quality wise came after 91.

    People born between 1960-1980 would disagree with you

    Most of those people dont even listen to rap.
  • _Goldie_
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    To add to my point, most rappers(born before 1980) top 5 consist of 90s rappers.
  • lamontbdc
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    i think it's an opinion thing and a generational thing....as cris rock said...whatever ? was popping when you started getting ? is gonna be your golden age
  • semi-auto-mato
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    the golden era of hip hop begins in either 84 or 85. i like to say 1985 starting with king of rock. from that time until the mid 90's creativity in hip hop was booming. i would say the golden era ended in 96. i dont agree with golden era ending in 91or 92 because of the sampling cases. its hard to say that the era ended before 96 because 93 (snoop) and 94 (nas) started a resurgence of a string of classics that lasted from 93 - 96. so 85-96 is hip hop golden era imo.
  • Stew
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    lamontbdc wrote: »
    i think it's an opinion thing and a generational thing....as cris rock said...whatever ? was popping when you started getting ? is gonna be your golden age

    Damn, might have a point there lol
  • semi-auto-mato
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    Stew wrote: »
    Dr.Evil wrote: »
    I dont get how anyone can say 87-91 when hip hop's peak quality wise came after 91.

    Thats what Im sayin. ? was barely even national during those years.

    we had our first movie in 84, multi platinum in 85, grammy nominated in 86...we had mainstream success mid 80s and most acts that became legends were formed by that time...? hammer dropped lets get it started in 87 and we all know what hammer did...we was national...about to go global in few years

  • Stew
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    Stew wrote: »
    Dr.Evil wrote: »
    I dont get how anyone can say 87-91 when hip hop's peak quality wise came after 91.

    Thats what Im sayin. ? was barely even national during those years.

    we had our first movie in 84, multi platinum in 85, grammy nominated in 86...we had mainstream success mid 80s and most acts that became legends were formed by that time...? hammer dropped lets get it started in 87 and we all know what hammer did...we was national...about to go global in few years

    I know what you sayin but as far as mainstream, mainstream on a culture level not just an album or 2, ? didnt get poppin till early 90's.
  • semi-auto-mato
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    KNICKLYN wrote: »
    how many era's are there anyway? and what era of rap are we living in now

    there is no set amount of era's in hip hop currently...it can be anywhere from 3 (birth, old school, new shool) to 10 or more depending on who u ask and how they want to classify any given block of time