Nas VS Biggie.. The battle that never happened??
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It already did happen. Nas verses Jay
See how yall rewrite history. 60% of Jay's rhymes back then were literally Biggie's or somebody elses -
it happened.....check both their responces
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Y all don't know about my biggie wars who you think kick in the door was for but that's my heart
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MoneyLuver wrote: »It already did happen. Nas verses Jay
See how yall rewrite history. 60% of Jay's rhymes back then were literally Biggie's or somebody elses
You gonna need a source for that as far as jay rhymes -
I never found any subliminals toward each other. But i was never looking to begin with.
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The_Jackal wrote: »MoneyLuver wrote: »It already did happen. Nas verses Jay
See how yall rewrite history. 60% of Jay's rhymes back then were literally Biggie's or somebody elses
You gonna need a source for that as far as jay rhymes
Wow. U ? really don't know ? do u smh?
U mean to tell me you've never heard the track "I'm a Biter not a Writer"?
Everybody knew Jay was infamous back in those days for jackin barS.
That's why when Jay started calln himself the greatest rapper alive and the media ran with it that's how "you" always knew Jay had the machines working With him. Ain't noway u could jack all of those rhymes and be in an honest discussion of "Greatest Rapper Ever/Alive". Jay used other people's bars more than Dr. Dre and that ? has mainly always had a ghostwriter himself lol -
That's why this Topic is a stupid hypothetical one. Jay and Big are pretty much literally the same Rapper bar for bar, flow for flow. In some cases literally
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you guys make the same threads over and over
moneyluver shut up -
MoneyLuver wrote: »That's why this Topic is a stupid hypothetical one. Jay and Big are pretty much literally the same Rapper bar for bar, flow for flow. In some cases literally
Big was nicer than Jay..
Jay didn't start using Big's rhymes until after Big passed..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqScH2CfYTg
Jay stole lines from
Biggie
Nas
2Pac
Lil Kim
Prodigy
LL Cool J
Bun B
Snoop Dogg
Slick Rick
Big L
Rakim
BD Kane -
Alot of rappers use others lines even the ones some of you praise.
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MoneyLuver wrote: »That's why this Topic is a stupid hypothetical one. Jay and Big are pretty much literally the same Rapper bar for bar, flow for flow. In some cases literally
They sound nothing alike, well to me atleast -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu4UG8uLHZ8
Jay used to rap like the Fu Schnickens,
When Big and Nas blew up,
Jay switched his flows and delivery up to sound like them.. -
Your fam destiny lays in my hands...
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Built 4 cuban linx wrote: »Alot of rappers use others lines even the ones some of you praise.
Yeah. But taking 12 bars at a time or 6's and 3's consistently is a whole different thing than just borrowing a bar or two or a beat.
And there's nothing wrong with paying homage. Homage songs are actually missing in the game at an all-time high right now. If Snoop was doin it in 96' then why can't Rick Ross or Big Krit do it in 2014?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu4UG8uLHZ8
Jay used to rap like the Fu Schnickens,
When Big and Nas blew up,
Jay switched his flows and delivery up to sound like them..
That's exactly what I'm gettin at. Jay is a poor man's Biggie. Always has been and always will be.
Lets not forget. Even tho he's been to some degree over-exaggerated, I can't deny that something special did In fact die in Hip Hop on March 9th 1997.
Jay being tha business tycoon he is saw an opening and tha resources and the rest is history -
Oh look, it's a Jay Z thread now
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Don't get it twisted, Nas was hip to em. He knew what Jay was up to tha whole time.
Even if it was just a competition between them two that still shows you that Nas was aware. EEverybody knew that.
Hypothetically speaking this battle has already happened. The only real difference between Jay and Big is the quality of star power/celebrity (personality) one has over the other. Onrs a fat lovable character and the other's just a Rapper. -
nickel-us P wrote: »I never found any subliminals toward each other. But i was never looking to begin with.
"Your reign on the top was short like leprechauns"
- Illmatic drops April 94, Nas gets praise as the greatest new MC. Big drops Ready to Die 5 months later and gets the same praise stealing the limelight a bit
"Theres one life one love so there can only be one king"
-shots at Big being called king of NY
Nas spells it out on Last Real ? Alive -
MoneyLuver wrote: »Built 4 cuban linx wrote: »Alot of rappers use others lines even the ones some of you praise.
Yeah. But taking 12 bars at a time or 6's and 3's consistently is a whole different thing than just borrowing a bar or two or a beat.
And there's nothing wrong with paying homage. Homage songs are actually missing in the game at an all-time high right now. If Snoop was doin it in 96' then why can't Rick Ross or Big Krit do it in 2014?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu4UG8uLHZ8
Jay used to rap like the Fu Schnickens,
When Big and Nas blew up,
Jay switched his flows and delivery up to sound like them..
That's exactly what I'm gettin at. Jay is a poor man's Biggie. Always has been and always will be.
Lets not forget. Even tho he's been to some degree over-exaggerated, I can't deny that something special did In fact die in Hip Hop on March 9th 1997.
Jay being tha business tycoon he is saw an opening and tha resources and the rest is history
Sounds like you just dislike him personally and you're cherry picking. Post examples of what you're saying. He took a whole 12 bars? Big and Jay sound nothing alike. Two different flows. Jay's flow is more wordy and faster, Big's flow is slower and more measured. Only similarities might've been their images in 1997. -
When people talk about the most technically skilled rappers they always Bring up Eminem or nas or a bunch of underground guys. But Jay-z is up there. Yeah he switched up his flow, but the fact that he could pull off so many different ones with ease is pretty remarkable.
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MoneyLuver wrote: »Built 4 cuban linx wrote: »Alot of rappers use others lines even the ones some of you praise.
Yeah. But taking 12 bars at a time or 6's and 3's consistently is a whole different thing than just borrowing a bar or two or a beat.
And there's nothing wrong with paying homage. Homage songs are actually missing in the game at an all-time high right now. If Snoop was doin it in 96' then why can't Rick Ross or Big Krit do it in 2014?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu4UG8uLHZ8
Jay used to rap like the Fu Schnickens,
When Big and Nas blew up,
Jay switched his flows and delivery up to sound like them..
That's exactly what I'm gettin at. Jay is a poor man's Biggie. Always has been and always will be.
Lets not forget. Even tho he's been to some degree over-exaggerated, I can't deny that something special did In fact die in Hip Hop on March 9th 1997.
Jay being tha business tycoon he is saw an opening and tha resources and the rest is history
http://youtu.be/dXnAtxXSGeE -
saracenwire wrote: »When people talk about the most technically skilled rappers they always Bring up Eminem or nas or a bunch of underground guys. But Jay-z is up there. Yeah he switched up his flow, but the fact that he could pull off so many different ones with ease is pretty remarkable.
The thing that hurt Jay was that when he came out, he had the image of a flashy rapper, so they lumped him in the category of a "Jiggy/Shinny Suit/Mainstream" rapper and that image was hated by the hip hop heads, it represented the commercialization of hip hop. Even though he had skills, he was overlooked because of his image, basically judged on a surface level since perception is everything. He beefed with Nas, who was the personification of anti establishment and the heads definitely despised him even more (they still haven't gotten over the beef against him 12 years later). So fast forward 12 years when he actually started declining and now they have a legit reason to not give him props like "see I told you he was wack" lol. -
Too bad we never really got to see it play out completely...
This would have been a much better battle than anything the beef with Pac produced...
Instead of gaining an epic battle, we lost 2 great rappers... -
MoneyLuver wrote: »Built 4 cuban linx wrote: »Alot of rappers use others lines even the ones some of you praise.
Yeah. But taking 12 bars at a time or 6's and 3's consistently is a whole different thing than just borrowing a bar or two or a beat.
And there's nothing wrong with paying homage. Homage songs are actually missing in the game at an all-time high right now. If Snoop was doin it in 96' then why can't Rick Ross or Big Krit do it in 2014?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu4UG8uLHZ8
Jay used to rap like the Fu Schnickens,
When Big and Nas blew up,
Jay switched his flows and delivery up to sound like them..
That's exactly what I'm gettin at. Jay is a poor man's Biggie. Always has been and always will be.
Lets not forget. Even tho he's been to some degree over-exaggerated, I can't deny that something special did In fact die in Hip Hop on March 9th 1997.
Jay being tha business tycoon he is saw an opening and tha resources and the rest is history
Sounds like you just dislike him personally and you're cherry picking. Post examples of what you're saying. He took a whole 12 bars? Big and Jay sound nothing alike. Two different flows. Jay's flow is more wordy and faster, Big's flow is slower and more measured. Only similarities might've been their images in 1997.
Yall young ? really don't know anything do u smmfhhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqScH2CfYTg&feature=youtube_gdata_player -
nickel-us P wrote: »I never found any subliminals toward each other. But i was never looking to begin with.
"Your reign on the top was short like leprechauns"
- Illmatic drops April 94, Nas gets praise as the greatest new MC. Big drops Ready to Die 5 months later and gets the same praise stealing the limelight a bit
"Theres one life one love so there can only be one king"
-shots at Big being called king of NY
Nas spells it out on Last Real ? Alive
I always assumed Biggie's lyrics in his opening verse of Victory were directed towards Nas.
"The son of *Satan*, they say my killin's too blatant
You hesitatin, I'm in your mama crib waitin
Duct tapin your fam destiny
lays in my hands, gat lays in my waist"
The way he pauses when before he says destiny implies he's using a double entendre. He could've just as easily said "your fam destiny lays in my hands" but the pause makes it sound like "your fam, destiny lays in my hands, gat lays in my waist" -
Also lets not forget the skit on the purple tape talking about the album covers...
It was bubbling for awhile but east/west beef got more push...
