So, uhh.. was 9/11 an inside job or nah?
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Yup, our gov'ment did itI will not sit here like I am an expert on this topic and debate any of you... i just like to blame the government as much as possible. whenever the oppurtunity presents itself
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Dude authored two 9/11 books exposing the US government. Guess what? He's dead now along with his 2 daughters...
topinfopost.com/2013/10/16/911-conspiracy-author-phillip-marshall-his-2-kids-found-dead-in-california
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Yup, our gov'ment did it41 votes in this thread and not even one vote is from a woman i think
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Maybe our gov knew about it but they didnt orchestrate itblackamerica wrote: »
No you don't. You believe the evidence provided by the government. The same government with a history of creating false flags attacks like 9/11. The question is which evidence is credible. Have you even seen a controlled demolition? I have, and it's looks EXACTLY like how building 7 and both towers fell. Fire doesn't make a building collapse in on itself. You lookin real stupid right nowI believe in the evidence.
The evidence only points to govt is the 'LIHOP' theory, which is "let it happen on purpose", but no other hand was in on it; bomb, controlled planes, demo, fake calls etc.. (whatever else is included in ppls theories)
The evidence speaks for itself and the theories debunk themselves..
where's YOUR evidence?
You say I presented none, I presented a couple videos explaining why your theories are silly. Not only that, there's links in the description (on the youtube page itself) that back the video up.
You've presented nothing but "I totally believe the govt is in on this and they orchestrated it" -
Lemme guess some of yall watched well produced conspiracy vids on youtube and took them as the truth but when met by evidence to the contrary you dismissed outright
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Maybe our gov knew about it but they didnt orchestrate it
But controlled demo experts say that NONE of the 9/11 footage is consistent w their line of work and neither is the word "pull it", which is claimed to be a 'demo term'.
btw you're so misinformed about Larry Silverstein, but that's what happens when you listen to ignorant ppl..
NY/NJ Port Authority own WTC now, and then, and LS only had a lease to run the towers, which he did benefit from but also paid NY/NJ Port Authority every year to do so.
The 'payout' that all theorists think he 'profited' from wasn't even a profit, he contract that he signed in July of 2001 about rebuilding the trade centers if they were destroyed or damaged. He didn't pocket all that money. The money went to paying others plus the rebuilding.
He did help develop the Trade Centers, though. Three of them, one of which I know for a fact was building 7.
Stop w the false info.
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Maybe our gov knew about it but they didnt orchestrate itplaymaker88 wrote: »Lemme guess some of yall watched well produced conspiracy vids on youtube and took them as the truth but when met by evidence to the contrary you dismissed outright
they only accept so-called evidence that backs up their beliefs.. even if they realize it's not logical..
I was once one of those ppl..
it took me finding out they doctored videos, photos and eye witness testimony to finally change my stance and start the real research rather than relying on youtube videos and weak documentaries..
obvious these guys do not know what the hell they're talking about, as you see w the Larry Silverstein situation. -
playmaker88 wrote: »Lemme guess some of yall watched well produced conspiracy vids on youtube and took them as the truth but when met by evidence to the contrary you dismissed outright
The same ppl said they had evidence of WMDs.
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Yup, our gov'ment did itA.J. Trillzynski wrote: »First off, clearly since you want me to address such basic questions then you're unwilling to take a minute to research it yourself and would rather give into a lazy confirmation bias. let me ask you, is there anything at all I could link to or write that would convince you otherwise? because I highly doubt it.. dudes like you, the explanations are out there but your mind is made up no matter what anybody will tell you. Nevermind you can just google the ? yourself and you will find numerous ways these are debunked.
1. http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Bush-bin_Laden_family_links
2. Yes this is controversial. if CIA funds flowed into the Afghan Mujahideen during the war with the Soviets in the 80's, what does that prove about 9/11 though? anyway, here's the bigger picture about how it actually was in case you're willing to actually read all this detailed ? :
3. http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm
http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html
4. http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Personal_Effects_and_the_Crash-Proof_Passport
5. http://www.ussartf.org/world_trade_center_disaster.htm
6. link? never heard of this one and this ? is not even on snopes ? I can't even find a reference for this claim on google. honestly sounds like some ? you're just making up
I just went through every link in this post. Did you think that posting a bunch of random articles with 911 buzzwords in them would just bore people into believing you? All of this was trash and debunked nothing that I posted.
Once again, please debunk anything that I've posted
P.S. - I can post a random website with random information on it too just like you did. It took me like 10 seconds to find this website and it's probably a little less random than your website. I don't understand how you can have something like google at your fingertips and still be this ignorant
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/08/missing-security-tapes-for-world-trade.html
P.P.S. - I'm not done -
I'd never give this government that much credit. I think it had more to do with incompetence than an actual conspiracy to let this happen.
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Yup, our gov'ment did itA.J. Trillzynski wrote: »nope. I don't believe any of that conspiracy ? and if I ever had any doubts then for
every single case or piece of 'evidence' that it was an inside job that can be presented there are at least 10x more legit sources and explanations to debunk that ? .
Ok please debunk the fact that the Bush and bin Laden families have been friends for decades before the attack and that bin Laden had been to the white house either earlier
that year or late the previous year.
Please debunk the fact that al queda was and is funded by the CIA
Please debunk the fact that no plane wreckage was found at the Pentagon.
Please debunk the fact that one of the hijackers passports was found in mint condition outside of one of the wtc buildings when almost everything else from both planes was
incinerated
Please debunk the fact that a very heavy skyscraper built to withstand very high winds completely falls in on itself twice when only the top 3rd of the buildings were
structurally compromised
Please debunk the fact that for the 2 weeks leading up to the attack all night time security and custodial servants were not allowed in the buildings to work their night
shifts
Thanks
most of this is false..
but explain how you know these things?A.J. Trillzynski wrote: »nope. I don't believe any of that conspiracy ? and if I ever had any doubts then for
every single case or piece of 'evidence' that it was an inside job that can be presented there are at least 10x more legit sources and explanations to debunk that ? .
Ok please debunk the fact that the Bush and bin Laden families have been friends for decades before the attack and that bin Laden had been to the white house either earlier
that year or late the previous year.
Please debunk the fact that al queda was and is funded by the CIA
Please debunk the fact that no plane wreckage was found at the Pentagon.
Please debunk the fact that one of the hijackers passports was found in mint condition outside of one of the wtc buildings when almost everything else from both planes was
incinerated
Please debunk the fact that a very heavy skyscraper built to withstand very high winds completely falls in on itself twice when only the top 3rd of the buildings were
structurally compromised
Please debunk the fact that for the 2 weeks leading up to the attack all night time security and custodial servants were not allowed in the buildings to work their night
shifts
Thanks
most of this is false..
but explain how you know these things?
Explain why the onus is on me to explain further when all you're the one challenging it with
This vid is trash. It starts off with some ? about missiles hitting the wtc? How is that a conspiracy theory when there's video of moment of impact for both buildings?
Seems like a strawman, I've never heard of this "conspiracy" before. You gotta come better than that nh
Another trash video. Every ? on earth knows what a plane looks like. There were 0 plane parts in any of "debunking" pics, both in this post and the last one I responded to.
Again, try harder
I dont think anyone said anything about this Idk this was posted tbh -
Yup, our gov'ment did itAll from a YouTuber RKOwens4
If you need more, he has a lot of videos covering most of your concerns...
If it's the Loose Change, or other documentaries you believe, then know this, they doctor photos and twist words..
https://www.youtubecom/watch?v=7YXzjAKJQOg&list=UUdNkRyt3S0oTQQdzlKJtXyg
https://www.youtubecom/watch?v=2hBDXB6cifo&list=UUdNkRyt3S0oTQQdzlKJtXyg
You're swinging at air. Again, none of this has debunked a single thing that I posted, these are freeposts as far as I'm concerned. You've already made up your mind about me
apparently being so weak minded that I watch something like Loose Change and base my entire opinion on that one low-quality documentary. There was a lot of false information
in that vid but there also was a little bit of truth. He just chose to focus on the wrong ? which is why no one references Loose Change anymore(I honestly dont really even
know why you're referencing it, no one has brought it up so far iirc)don't worry broskis, I fell for the same ? too, after finding out they doctored ? and twisted ? , I never looked back.. ? them for that..
but it made me do a lot of research... hopefully u do the same rather than get mad and stay in your ignorant state of mind..
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So I guess the government doesn't doctor ? either right? Ok.A.J. Trillzynski wrote: »blackamerica wrote: »
Debunk or throw out any ? rebuttal you can think of?A.J. Trillzynski wrote: »nope. I don't believe any of that conspiracy ?
and if I ever had any doubts then for every single case or piece of 'evidence' that it was an inside job that can be presented there are at least 10x more legit sources and
explanations to debunk that ? .
-where is other footage from the pentagon crash?
-where is the ? plane from the pentagon crash?
-what the ? was the Bin Laden family doing in America? And why we're they flown out the day of 9/11?
-was the Bin Laden family really in business w/ the Bush family?
-still haven't given a real rebuttal to how the towers fell that quickly. It was 100% accurate with how a controlled demolition looks.
These are only a few things. I can go on for days. If you think it wasn't a inside job, your prolly one of these dumb anti conspiracy ppl who will dismiss every conspiracy
because you think it makes you look smart. Everything that's came out points back to the higher levels of the Bush administration
so I link you to legit rebuttals that offer a detailed answer to each of your questions and you just dismiss it as ? without any actual retort? and then post even more
questions? yea I didn't see that coming.
look, I'm really over wasting my time with you people. believe what you want it if it gives you some meaning in your life or whatever.. obviously you get a kick out of
believing this stuff and you're not willing to be open minded.
If you think it was a inside job, your prolly one of these dumb anti conspiracy ppl who will dismiss every conspiracy explanation because you think
it makes you look smart.
you do you, it works both ways though
They'll dismiss it, they usually do. I was once wearing the same shoes as them doing the same thing.
They'll get 99% of their claims debunked and still say, "well what about this or that!!"
no line of logic in thinking any of this was an inside...
especially the idea it's a ? demo job... what a joke..
Over the years I've learned to not debate white people about this cuz it really challenges your reality I guess. But I'm used to learning about ? up ? that people in
power in western countries have done. A lot of it is written in history but sugarcoated. There's really nothing that you can post that would change my opinion, just letting
you know that now
Again, I'm not done
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Yup, our gov'ment did itThe amount of people America would have to have stay quiet for 13 years if they did it would make it impossible.
Not true. Do you think a military sergeant knows every single move that every military general with authority over him makes? No. He's told to do a specific job and that's it. That's how all hierarchies work in case you didn't know
There are probably plenty of people that contributed to 9/11 without their knowledge -
Yup, our gov'ment did itI'm no stranger to conspiracy theories. For instance, there is tons of evidence Fidel Castro had Kennedy killed, and the government was so embarrassed that a nobody like Castro could do it, they covered it up. But this one, doesn't make sense.
Huh? This is truly one of the most ? conspiracy "theories" I've ever heard. Where do you get your info from? It's no wonder you're so confused on this topic. -
Yup, our gov'ment did itA.J. Trillzynski wrote: »nope. I don't believe any of that conspiracy ? and if I ever had any doubts then for every single case or piece of 'evidence' that it was an inside job that can be presented there are at least 10x more legit sources and explanations to debunk that ? .
Ok please debunk the fact that the Bush and bin Laden families have been friends for decades before the attack and that bin Laden had been to the white house either earlier that year or late the previous year.
Please debunk the fact that al queda was and is funded by the CIA
Please debunk the fact that no plane wreckage was found at the Pentagon.
Please debunk the fact that one of the hijackers passports was found in mint condition outside of one of the wtc buildings when almost everything else from both planes was incinerated
Please debunk the fact that a very heavy skyscraper built to withstand very high winds completely falls in on itself twice when only the top 3rd of the buildings were structurally compromised
Please debunk the fact that for the 2 weeks leading up to the attack all night time security and custodial servants were not allowed in the buildings to work their night shifts
Thanks
most of this is false..
but explain how you know these things?A.J. Trillzynski wrote: »nope. I don't believe any of that conspiracy ? and if I ever had any doubts then for every single case or piece of 'evidence' that it was an inside job that can be presented there are at least 10x more legit sources and explanations to debunk that ? .
Ok please debunk the fact that the Bush and bin Laden families have been friends for decades before the attack and that bin Laden had been to the white house either earlier that year or late the previous year.
Please debunk the fact that al queda was and is funded by the CIA
Please debunk the fact that no plane wreckage was found at the Pentagon.
Please debunk the fact that one of the hijackers passports was found in mint condition outside of one of the wtc buildings when almost everything else from both planes was incinerated
Please debunk the fact that a very heavy skyscraper built to withstand very high winds completely falls in on itself twice when only the top 3rd of the buildings were structurally compromised
Please debunk the fact that for the 2 weeks leading up to the attack all night time security and custodial servants were not allowed in the buildings to work their night shifts
Thanks
most of this is false..
but explain how you know these things?
Explain why the onus is on me to explain further when you're the one challenging it without having added any information to refute anything I said?
Was this a troll post?
what I'm saying is you're a copy cat guy like I was..
"oh ? , they said it, it looks like it matches, must be true"
all 9/11 "truth" claims have been debunked..
even the Loose Change guys were told, "ok, since u have so much evidence, take it to court" they didn't.. they didn't even make Loose Change as an actual "truth movement" but as a project that turned into a spectacle for them which is why they release 1, 2 and 3 and charged for it..
We're nothing a like. Don't try and ? your weak-minded personality off of on me it insults me
Here you are again with this Loose Change ? . It's funny because I know other white people fully prepared to try and debunk Loose Change but can't refute the things I said in my original post, something you still haven't done -
Yup, our gov'ment did itprove it was a controlled demo
you can't
I've tried it too..
the best 'evidence' they have for it is "plumes" coming from the building as it collapsed..
no thermite, no wires, no charges etc have ever been found or reported by the hundreds of volunteers who helped clean debris..
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Yup, our gov'ment did itboth towers collapsed at the point of impact..
why didn't the impact/explosion set off the charges?
you guys don't think of this ?
@bold: You sure about that?
@underlined: That's a pretty ignorant question. So all bombs are made from unstable combustible TNT and will go off at the drop of a feather now? -
I cant deny nor confirm that it was or was not an inside job.
signed,
People in the Know. -
Yup, our gov'ment did itLOL @ "plenty of ppl have come out and said it was an inside job"
provides no proof
Saw these vids a little while ago. Make of them what you will
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc1ql4TfCZw
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Yup, our gov'ment did itShizlansky wrote: »So y'all trust the same ppl that all made profit from the war?
Ok.
We've erroneously invaded no less than 3 major oil-producing countries since 2001 but I guess that's not important -
Why u bringing up old ? ?
Ima find that post -
It was an inside job for sure, look at building 7!! if you can't see it then your dumb as ? , no youtube documentary needed, I have done my research and never watched loose change ever, seen a clip of it and it looks like a pile of ? .
We all have the same source of investigation it's called the internet, unless you was actually there collecting actual evidence first hand that day. -
Yup, our gov'ment did itblackamerica wrote: »
No you don't. You believe the evidence provided by the government. The same government with a history of creating false flags attacks like 9/11. The question is which evidence is credible. Have you even seen a controlled demolition? I have, and it's looks EXACTLY like how building 7 and both towers fell. Fire doesn't make a building collapse in on itself. You lookin real stupid right nowI believe in the evidence.
The evidence only points to govt is the 'LIHOP' theory, which is "let it happen on purpose", but no other hand was in on it; bomb, controlled planes, demo, fake calls etc.. (whatever else is included in ppls theories)
The evidence speaks for itself and the theories debunk themselves..
where's YOUR evidence?
You say I presented none, I presented a couple videos explaining why your theories are silly. Not only that, there's links in the description (on the youtube page itself) that back the video up.
You've presented nothing but "I totally believe the govt is in on this and they orchestrated it"
I haven't even gotten into the "death" of bin Laden yet. It's interesting how it came at a time when Obama's approval rating was garbage. It's also interesting how there's no official death pic of him. It's also interesting how the US government decided to give a mass murderer of 3000+ Americans a "traditional Muslim burial at sea" when around the same time we saw Gaddafi getting beheaded with knife sticking out of his all ass over the internet
Just watch the first 10 minutes I bet you watch the whole thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUcjutVBIpw
Another informative and factual vid
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Nope, it was bin laden/taliban/terroriststhis old ? again smh
I gotta be the one to do this? Fine.Please debunk the fact that no plane wreckage was found at the Pentagon.blackamerica wrote: »-where is the ? plane from the pentagon crash?
Hey.....what is that? ^^^^^Please debunk the fact that one of the hijackers passports was found in mint condition outside of one of the wtc buildings when almost everything else from both planes was incinerated
It wasn't in mint condition. Some debris from the aircraft travelled completely through the structure. For example, life jackets and portions of seats from the aircraft were found on the roof of the Bankers Trust building, located to the south of WTC2. Part of the landing gear from this aircraft was found at the corner of West and Rector streets, some five blocks south of the WTC complex.
They even found corpses intact enough to identify without DNA. Look it up.
And why plant the passport anyway? What purpose does it serve? It wouldn't be necessary.
Especially since the hijackers names were already on the flight manifest:
Please debunk the fact that a very heavy skyscraper built to withstand very high winds completely falls in on itself twice when only the top 3rd of the buildings were structurally compromised
"The two incidents were very different. Although smaller than the towers were, The Empire State Building is a much heavier building. The Empire State Building is a steel-framed structure with movement-resisting bolted or riveted connections: this means that every joint resists bending moments and wind forces and the load from any failed/ damaged columns can be redistributed, whereas the WTC's steel framed-tube configuration allowed only the exterior wall to resists bending moments due to wind. The Empire State Building's structure can redistribute loads from failed/damaged columns, but the core steel columns of the Twin Towers only supported downward loads.
The B-25 was a twin-engine World War II bomber. It was much smaller and far slower than the Boeing 767 airliners which crashed into the Twin Towers. The B-25 is estimated at 9,750 kg flying 320 kph, versus a Boeing 767-223ER (AA 11) or 767-222 (UA 175) with a mass of at least 90,000 kg flying at 750 kph (or 950 kph) respectively. Liberal estimates of the B-25 give 40 million kilojoules of kinetic energy on impact, while a conservative estimate gives AA 11 2 billion kilojoules and UA 175 3 billion kilojoules, resulting in least 50 times the kinetic energy on impact.[22] Furthermore, the B-25 was a propeller-driven aircraft, which meant that it was powered by high-octane gasoline instead of jet fuel, and the B-25 carried way less fuel than does a modern airliner. Finally, the fire in the Empire State Building was different than in the World Trade Center and the FDNY was able to extinguish it before it got out of control."Ok please debunk the fact that the Bush and bin Laden families have been friends for decades before the attack and that bin Laden had been to the white house either earlier that year or late the previous year.
Bin Laden's daddy was a billionaire. He had 54 children by 22 wives. My ? was swimming in ? lol.
It's dumb, insulting, and arguably Islamophobic to conflate Al Qaeda with dude's family. They disowned him in 1994 after the Saudi gov't stripped him of his citizenship and revoked his passport.
The Bushes were tight with the Saudi Royal Family, not bin Laden family. You never heard of "House of Bush, House of Saud"? ? got the two mixed up because they're too dumb to tell Arabs apart.
http://www.amazon.com/House-Bush-Saud-Relationship-Dynasties/dp/0743253396
I would go in on the rest of ya'll, but you Truthers are like religious fanatics or global warming deniers.
No amount of hard evidence and scientific analysis will ever convince ya'll.
Vast majority of structural engineers WHO STUDY THIS FOR A LIVING have looked at this ? and said planes took down those buildings.
But you latch onto that wacko 1% of engineers that say otherwise, and cite them as proof.
It's like when Republicans and Coal/Oil Companies claim Global Warming isn't real.....because hey we have these 5 scientists that say it isn't real. Never mind those THOUSANDS of others who disagree.
It's also similar to how Fox News will bring these ? on their airwaves to say Mike Brown deserved to die.
You don't need a ridiculous, implausible conspiracy theory to oppose America's ? laws and decisions.
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Yup, our gov'ment did itSwiffness! wrote: »this old ? again smh
I gotta be the one to do this? Fine.Please debunk the fact that no plane wreckage was found at the Pentagon.blackamerica wrote: »-where is the ? plane from the pentagon crash?
Hey.....what is that? ^^^^^Please debunk the fact that one of the hijackers passports was found in mint condition outside of one of the wtc buildings when almost everything else from both planes was incinerated
It wasn't in mint condition. Some debris from the aircraft travelled completely through the structure. For example, life jackets and portions of seats from the aircraft were found on the roof of the Bankers Trust building, located to the south of WTC2. Part of the landing gear from this aircraft was found at the corner of West and Rector streets, some five blocks south of the WTC complex.
They even found corpses intact enough to identify without DNA. Look it up.
And why plant the passport anyway? What purpose does it serve? It wouldn't be necessary.
Especially since the hijackers names were already on the flight manifest:Please debunk the fact that a very heavy skyscraper built to withstand very high winds completely falls in on itself twice when only the top 3rd of the buildings were structurally compromised
"The two incidents were very different. Although smaller than the towers were, The Empire State Building is a much heavier building. The Empire State Building is a steel-framed structure with movement-resisting bolted or riveted connections: this means that every joint resists bending moments and wind forces and the load from any failed/ damaged columns can be redistributed, whereas the WTC's steel framed-tube configuration allowed only the exterior wall to resists bending moments due to wind. The Empire State Building's structure can redistribute loads from failed/damaged columns, but the core steel columns of the Twin Towers only supported downward loads.
The B-25 was a twin-engine World War II bomber. It was much smaller and far slower than the Boeing 767 airliners which crashed into the Twin Towers. The B-25 is estimated at 9,750 kg flying 320 kph, versus a Boeing 767-223ER (AA 11) or 767-222 (UA 175) with a mass of at least 90,000 kg flying at 750 kph (or 950 kph) respectively. Liberal estimates of the B-25 give 40 million kilojoules of kinetic energy on impact, while a conservative estimate gives AA 11 2 billion kilojoules and UA 175 3 billion kilojoules, resulting in least 50 times the kinetic energy on impact.[22] Furthermore, the B-25 was a propeller-driven aircraft, which meant that it was powered by high-octane gasoline instead of jet fuel, and the B-25 carried way less fuel than does a modern airliner. Finally, the fire in the Empire State Building was different than in the World Trade Center and the FDNY was able to extinguish it before it got out of control."Ok please debunk the fact that the Bush and bin Laden families have been friends for decades before the attack and that bin Laden had been to the white house either earlier that year or late the previous year.
Bin Laden's daddy was a billionaire. He had 54 children by 22 wives. My ? was swimming in ? lol.
It's dumb, insulting, and arguably Islamophobic to conflate Al Qaeda with dude's family. They disowned him in 1994 after the Saudi gov't stripped him of his citizenship and revoked his passport.
The Bushes were tight with the Saudi Royal Family, not bin Laden family. You never heard of "House of Bush, House of Saud"? ? got the two mixed up because they're too dumb to tell Arabs apart.
http://www.amazon.com/House-Bush-Saud-Relationship-Dynasties/dp/0743253396
I would go in on the rest of ya'll, but you Truthers are like religious fanatics or global warming deniers.
No amount of hard evidence and scientific analysis will ever convince ya'll.
Vast majority of structural engineers WHO STUDY THIS FOR A LIVING have looked at this ? and said planes took down those buildings.
But you latch onto that wacko 1% of engineers that say otherwise, and cite them as proof.
It's like when Republicans and Coal/Oil Companies claim Global Warming isn't real.....because hey we have these 5 scientists that say it isn't real. Never mind those THOUSANDS of others who disagree.
It's also similar to how Fox News will bring these ? on their airwaves to say Mike Brown deserved to die.
You don't need a ridiculous, implausible conspiracy theory to oppose America's ? laws and decisions.
Peace.
First of all that looks like a piece of aluminum, not a piece of a plane. Try harder. The rest of your post is a bunch of words that really and truly say nothing.
Sometimes I feel like the US Government has turned itself into a religion. The government ? on you whenever and wherever they want to but you guys continue to have faith. It must really ? you off that nothing you can post will change my opinion. I know it does because that's usually what white people I debate irl get mad about, and that's when the convo breaks down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is_qBXqObes&list=UUdNkRyt3S0oTQQdzlKJtXy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjaN8NqN8CE&list=UUdNkRyt3S0oTQQdzlKJtXy
