What Beef Did the most Damage to HipHop as a Culture???
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East(Big) Versus West(Pac)Without question. The image of the culture was forever tarnished because two of the biggest names in the genre were killed in behind this situation.
It's a huge black eye on the culture.
On top of the deaths, you had two black executives threatening each other on records as well as cavorting with gangbangers and drug dealers.
Not to mention this idiotic deification of the two major parties involved. -
Charles Hamilton vs souljah boy... tore my family to pieces
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East(Big) Versus West(Pac)How is this even a question? It's Pac and Big 100%. You're talking about two of, if not, the most popular rappers in the game being taken out in their prime. It had such a negative impact on the industry. I definitely think their deaths, in particular Pac's, crippled the West coast and the "gangster rap" scene all together. After that, it was all shiny suits with Puffy's ? ass. And rap started becoming more and more pop oriented and materialistic. Not saying that wasnt there before, but it became less and less balanced. It's like people got scared of that ? ? when they found out what these rappers were talking about was a reality.
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East(Big) Versus West(Pac)I see how the consensus falls on the east/west beef all these battles had the majority of heads taking sides so their effect on the game is unquestionable. I included other battles that had a major impact on HipHop from Industry, Artistic and social standpoints, Spin off thread on the flip side coming soon unless one of you youngsters beats me to it lol...
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East(Big) Versus West(Pac)E/W was the worst because it involved Deathrow. Deathrow was an example of gangs infiltrating the record business which was ultimately bad for hip-hop. Sure they made a lot of classic albums but that was due to Dre.
Allegedly, Sam Sneed was sat down and got punched everytime an east coast artist appeared in his video. -
East(Big) Versus West(Pac)soul rattler wrote: »If the Big/Pac thing didn't happen, we would've never had to endure 50 Cent's shenanigans which broke a part New York's hold on Hip Hop.
we cant say that would be certain.
And New York was already slipping.
Dude was really NYs last hope and they kinda turned on him -
East(Big) Versus West(Pac)To be honest, Pac vs Big really did damage to the culture as whole and to try and really put or express the ? in words... well you don't need many words to describe the impact that it had on Hip-Hop as a whole. Look at how hip-hop was in the 90's compared to what it looks like now in 2014. Also, anyone can spare that "well it was in the 90's it's a different time & era." Not the point I'm trying to make I'm just saying beef in general especially Pac vs Big/Death Row vs Bad Boy open the floodgates to a lot of BS in hip-hop.
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East(Big) Versus West(Pac)Imagine what would have happend if Pac had done all the ? he had planned, the street basketball league wich a rapper representing each team or something like that, the One Nation label with him, Treach, Scarface. Damn.
Not to take anything from Big either cause he was dope.
2nd place might be the 50 vs. NY, i think he could've helped a lot of dudes to get bigger. -
50 Cent Versus NYCIts not a coincidence that NYC rap been struggling the past decade. He wouldn't even reply to their responses with songs or anything, just pull strings at Interscope to ? up their career lol. That birthed the ? where internet fans think a rapper "won" a beef because he got more money or sold more records than the other dude. Smh. He literally sorta ruined the concept of beefs and diss tracks in rap.
Eventually people stopped caring, there was nobody left to diss..........except Jay. And he'd walk up to that ledge every once in a while......look over the edge........and back away from that ? as soon as the "I'm about a dollar..." line popped in his head. Beanie Sigel gave him his last opportunity to go after Jay in a way that actually coulda hurt him. -
The East vs West thing, there was tragedy that transpired during that. But at the same time, there were lessons learned too.
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East(Big) Versus West(Pac)Lmao u cant put all the blame on 50. Look back at the late 90s to now. NY been havin a civil war within itself for a long time in Hip Hop compared to other coasts. NY killed itself.
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Doo doo owns this donkey Kong is the reason y hip hop beef is wack.....once that muuuunkee tried 2 make a career outta hip hop beef the ? was wack......that east vs west was some bs tupac didn't have beef wit ny/the east he had beef wit big & bad boy.....how could Pac start a east vs west war when he was east coast along wit the outlawz....if Pac would've lived 2 finish that 1nation east & west unite LP that east vs west nonsense would've died along time ago
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East(Big) Versus West(Pac)Doo doo owns this donkey Kong is the reason y hip hop beef is wack.....once that muuuunkee tried 2 make a career outta hip hop beef the ? was wack......that east vs west was some bs tupac didn't have beef wit ny/the east he had beef wit big & bad boy.....how could Pac start a east vs west war when he was east coast along wit the outlawz....if Pac would've lived 2 finish that 1nation east & west unite LP that east vs west nonsense would've died along time ago
1st off welcome back brother!!!
Back on topic fam I do not personally believe the East West was started by Pac or Biggie it was happening and brewing before their conflict. That said they came to epitomize the Beef and became the public faces of the conflict, but anyone who paid attention knew that the East West battle ultimately was about Corporate versus Independent or to be more exact Old Labels and their sub divisions versus privately owned HipHop labels but again that is a topic for another thread... -
50 Cent Versus NYCsapp08_2001 wrote: »Definitely goes to Biggie and Pac, the 50 beefs dont count because that was pure competition.
The hell it was 50 was getting people albums pushed back. The lox or styles could've been in a different bracket if not for that cause time is money was fire. I would've voted for the east vs west but the game recovered after that. We still had jay nas, snoop, dre , x, wu. And got Kanye, 50, beans etc. -
East(Big) Versus West(Pac)CATS WENT SOFT AFTER BIG & PAC GOT KILLED
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Soloman_The_Wise wrote: »
1st off welcome back brother!!!
Back on topic fam I do not personally believe the East West was started by Pac or Biggie it was happening and brewing before their conflict. That said they came to epitomize the Beef and became the public faces of the conflict, but anyone who paid attention knew that the East West battle ultimately was about Corporate versus Independent or to be more exact Old Labels and their sub divisions versus privately owned HipHop labels but again that is a topic for another thread...
thanx fam.....& I c wat ya sayin but I swear if Pac would've lived 2 drop 1nation there would b no east vs west talk 2day......deathrow east was gonna b the nu bad boy n ny once pac was dun destroyin bad boy n 97 thats y Katz like Eric b was standin next 2 Pac n ny n 96
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50 Cent Versus NYCE/W was the worst because it involved Deathrow. Deathrow was an example of gangs infiltrating the record business which was ultimately bad for hip-hop. Sure they made a lot of classic albums but that was due to Dre.
Allegedly, Sam Sneed was sat down and got punched everytime an east coast artist appeared in his video.
? dre aint do ? . daz was the one who was producing the beats over there and dre was taking credit of it . -
Obviously Pac and Biggie. ? just what it did to Hip-Hop, 2 dudes died young
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50 Cent Versus NYCThe game recovered after BIG and Pac (plus Pac was ? and garbage anyway)...Jay, Nas, DMX etc carried the weight BIG left behind and without Pac the west fell the ? off and we were immediately relieved from hearing they garbage ass funk music, so no complaints there.
With that said, id say the beef that had the biggest effect on the culture had to be 50 vs NY..with the city beefin with each other and everyone on they dolo ? , it left room for the south to unite and take over the game, thus effectively ruining it and making hip hop what it is today....sad. -
50 Cent Versus NYCChasin Bundlez wrote: »The game recovered after BIG and Pac (plus Pac was ? and garbage anyway)...Jay, Nas, DMX etc carried the weight BIG left behind and without Pac the west fell the ? off and we were immediately relieved from hearing they garbage ass funk music, so no complaints there.
With that said, id say the beef that had the biggest effect on the culture had to be 50 vs NY..with the city beefin with each other and everyone on they dolo ? , it left room for the south to unite and take over the game, thus effectively ruining it and making hip hop what it is today....sad.
this is coming from the guy who bumps bobby shmurda . -
50 Cent Versus NYCChasin Bundlez wrote: »The game recovered after BIG and Pac (plus Pac was ? and garbage anyway)...Jay, Nas, DMX etc carried the weight BIG left behind and without Pac the west fell the ? off and we were immediately relieved from hearing they garbage ass funk music, so no complaints there.
With that said, id say the beef that had the biggest effect on the culture had to be 50 vs NY..with the city beefin with each other and everyone on they dolo ? , it left room for the south to unite and take over the game, thus effectively ruining it and making hip hop what it is today....sad.
this is coming from the guy who bumps bobby shmurda .
LMAO...watch both interviews...one boy is ? , and one is not...u guess which is which.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3OuC7-MHD4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7JbiljKQ-c
Bobby >>>>> Pac....word. -
East(Big) Versus West(Pac)soul rattler wrote: »If the Big/Pac thing didn't happen, we would've never had to endure 50 Cent's shenanigans which broke a part New York's hold on Hip Hop.
we cant say that would be certain.
And New York was already slipping.
Dude was really NYs last hope and they kinda turned on him
With the coming internet age, Hip Hop was going to become more decentralized regardless but if Biggie and Pac don't die, Interscope's top priority would have still been Deathrow, not Aftermath, which means no Eminem and no 50 Cent. And from the regional/cultural aspect, 50 wouldn't have been able to break apart that bond New Yorkers had when that "New York, New York" video dropped. -
East(Big) Versus West(Pac)? got killed, ain't no coming back from that.
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East(Big) Versus West(Pac)
Have to correct you brother Deathrow had already changed its distribution before Pac died Ironically enough because of your verbiage to Priority and Interscope was all in on aftermath at that point other then that point though carry on...soul rattler wrote: »soul rattler wrote: »If the Big/Pac thing didn't happen, we would've never had to endure 50 Cent's shenanigans which broke a part New York's hold on Hip Hop.
we cant say that would be certain.
And New York was already slipping.
Dude was really NYs last hope and they kinda turned on him
With the coming internet age, Hip Hop was going to become more decentralized regardless but if Biggie and Pac don't die, Interscope's top priority would have still been Deathrow, not Aftermath, which means no Eminem and no 50 Cent. And from the regional/cultural aspect, 50 wouldn't have been able to break apart that bond New Yorkers had when that "New York, New York" video dropped. -
East(Big) Versus West(Pac)soul rattler wrote: »soul rattler wrote: »If the Big/Pac thing didn't happen, we would've never had to endure 50 Cent's shenanigans which broke a part New York's hold on Hip Hop.
we cant say that would be certain.
And New York was already slipping.
Dude was really NYs last hope and they kinda turned on him
With the coming internet age, Hip Hop was going to become more decentralized regardless but if Biggie and Pac don't die, Interscope's top priority would have still been Deathrow, not Aftermath, which means no Eminem and no 50 Cent. And from the regional/cultural aspect, 50 wouldn't have been able to break apart that bond New Yorkers had when that "New York, New York" video dropped.
Deathrow would still have fallen apart regardless.
And you can believe Em was already being looked at even when Pac was alive.
He'd still have his career. Dont know about 50 tho
