Women Struggle with Monogamy More Than Men

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  • zzombie
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    i love doing things that make me unhappy because nine times out of ten the outcome will be profitable to me and my family.
  • Kat
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  • Ubuntu1
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    zzombie wrote: »
    Ubuntu1 wrote: »
    I was going to come in here saying that I was skeptical and that both sexes probably cheated at the same rates (that or men being slightly more likely to cheat) but this sounds like it could make sense, considering that around 70% of divorces are initiated by women. Why are women, stereotypically, not as promiscuous or interested in casual sex if they are as stimulated by novelty as this article claims? I don't think evolutionary psychology can justify the idea that women are hardwired to be (or behave) monogamous(ly), most male sperm cells are designed to seek out and ? other men's sperm cells which would be unnecessary if promiscuity among prehistoric women was unusual.

    That drug will probably have negative side effects.

    Overall, in this day and age, I personally think that formally monogamous, committed romantic relationships are a bad idea.

    man shut the ? up you are a ? cuckold of course you don't like monogamy.

    you ? disgrace if i were your father i would beat you till you looked like the elephant man

    8434-5623.gif

    What makes you think I don't already look like the elephant man?
  • zzombie
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    Kat wrote: »
    wtf.

    the desire to be happy more than anything else is why you are in the position you are in right now kat
  • BEAM
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    zzombie wrote: »
    i love doing things that make me unhappy because nine times out of ten the outcome will be profitable to me and my family.

    There is no inherent relationship between being uncomfortable and attaining success.
    Furthermore, methodology leads to failure and/or unhappiness, not the desire to be happy itself.

    You're one ? up individual,
    @zzombie.
    I genuinely feel sorry for your family.
  • desertrain10
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    family is the foundation of civilization...

    True

    But i'm not sure where you are going with this post

    Unless you meant nuclear families are the foundation of humanity

    Does that necessarily require exclusivity?
  • zzombie
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    BEAM wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    i love doing things that make me unhappy because nine times out of ten the outcome will be profitable to me and my family.

    There is no inherent relationship between being uncomfortable and attaining success.
    Furthermore, methodology leads to failure and/or unhappiness, not the desire to be happy itself.

    You're one ? up individual,
    @zzombie.
    I genuinely feel sorry for your family.

    YOU CAN think whatever the ? you want to think you are another feminized estrogen filled ? ? .
    you are just another man of the current age in other words a ? .
  • EmM HoLLa.
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    only read a few sentences...
    but women should be gettin tired of monogamy..
    ? came back and bit them in the ass..

    see when u settle for a ? jus to have a ? to call ur own or u manipulate a man to only wantin yo ass u go eventually get tired of that lame ? ..

    im tellin yall.. polygamy.
    nothin like the spirit of competition to get the juices flowin..

    a ? aint about to be outdone by the next ? .. nooooooo way.. and on the flip a ? aint go get lax cause he know his ? can be got..

    but nahhhhh...
    yall motherfuckas and yall monogamy rarher sit and rot wit each other jus acceptin the ? .

    serves u right! lol

    lmao.. hahaha.. Too much realness my goodness lmfao.. I've seen this several times already..
  • BEAM
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    zzombie wrote: »
    YOU CAN think whatever the ? you want to think you are another feminized estrogen filled ? ? .
    you are just another man of the current age in other words a ? .

    Nah, I'm just not a one-dimensional ? ? that's all for prejudice yet speaks out against happiness.
  • 2stepz_ahead
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    only read a few sentences...
    but women should be gettin tired of monogamy..
    ? came back and bit them in the ass..

    see when u settle for a ? jus to have a ? to call ur own or u manipulate a man to only wantin yo ass u go eventually get tired of that lame ? ..

    im tellin yall.. polygamy.
    nothin like the spirit of competition to get the juices flowin..

    a ? aint about to be outdone by the next ? .. nooooooo way.. and on the flip a ? aint go get lax cause he know his ? can be got..

    but nahhhhh...
    yall motherfuckas and yall monogamy rarher sit and rot wit each other jus acceptin the ? .

    serves u right! lol

    this man makes sense.

    woman always claiming a man is a dog..an treats them like ?

    but then on the flipside

    saying he will give me anything ...hes so weak.

    a common middle ground is good...

    give her anything she wants...then go out an fukk other chicks.

    always keep home happy first...
  • zzombie
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    BEAM wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    YOU CAN think whatever the ? you want to think you are another feminized estrogen filled ? ? .
    you are just another man of the current age in other words a ? .

    Nah, I'm just not a one-dimensional ? ? that's all for prejudice yet speaks out against happiness.

    man shut the ? up, sick of you new style ? ? . You ? are the perpetual little boys feminist want you to be. YOU live your life however the ? , just to be happy that's female and little child ? grown men should never live like that or think like that.

    first of all men keep their women in line and keep them stable and happy even at the expense of our own happiness.
  • desertrain10
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    I'm for monogamy

    Its just further proof a commitment, exclusivity takes work and is not something to rush into for men or women

  • 2stepz_ahead
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    zzombie wrote: »
    BEAM wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    YOU CAN think whatever the ? you want to think you are another feminized estrogen filled ? ? .
    you are just another man of the current age in other words a ? .

    Nah, I'm just not a one-dimensional ? ? that's all for prejudice yet speaks out against happiness.

    man shut the ? up, sick of you new style ? ? . You ? are the perpetual little boys feminist want you to be. YOU live your life however the ? , just to be happy that's female and little child ? grown men should never live like that or think like that.

    first of all men keep their women in line and keep them stable and happy even at the expense of our own happiness.

    but thats the ? that causes mid life crisis'

    at what point does a man make himself happy?

    i rather ie trying that die not know i didnt take the chance.
  • Arya Tsaddiq
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    It was decent...until I got here....
    Bergner also implies that women’s declining interest in monogamous sex is socially, not biologically, inflected. Since women receive messages “that sexual desire and expression are not necessarily positive,” he suggests, they tend to require additional stimuli—such as novelty—to get them in the mood. The implication? If we can normalize female desire in society at large, we can presumably encourage women to continue ? after their partners


    Nah man....lol that sounds like deflection. But every situation is different I guess. So now im leaning towards this....
    Kai wrote: »
    So if you're not putting that ? on her, she's gonna get bored?

  • zzombie
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    zzombie wrote: »
    BEAM wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    YOU CAN think whatever the ? you want to think you are another feminized estrogen filled ? ? .
    you are just another man of the current age in other words a ? .

    Nah, I'm just not a one-dimensional ? ? that's all for prejudice yet speaks out against happiness.

    man shut the ? up, sick of you new style ? ? . You ? are the perpetual little boys feminist want you to be. YOU live your life however the ? , just to be happy that's female and little child ? grown men should never live like that or think like that.

    first of all men keep their women in line and keep them stable and happy even at the expense of our own happiness.

    but thats the ? that causes mid life crisis'

    at what point does a man make himself happy?

    i rather ie trying that die not know i didnt take the chance.

    there is a fine line you have to walk but i have a ? kid now i'll give up my happiness for him in a heartbeat and never complain about it for one second and i think all men should be willing to do that.

    that's why i personally don't cheat and stay monogamous but if you are going to cheat you have to be extremely careful because it's not good to have ? affect your child/family in any ? way.
  • S2J
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    I guess this one of those 'if you really think about it'...'but really on the low' type premises , but no, just no. No need to reinvent the wheel.

    Impossible.

    Just came from the Corey Holcombe show he would destroy this notion.

    In a nutshell: Women need a reason for their mind and body to stray. Men dont. A man can,be 1000% happy and still wild out. Thats the scary truth and death to this argument
  • Dr.Chemix
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    only read a few sentences...
    but women should be gettin tired of monogamy..
    ? came back and bit them in the ass..

    see when u settle for a ? jus to have a ? to call ur own or u manipulate a man to only wantin yo ass u go eventually get tired of that lame ? ..

    im tellin yall.. polygamy.
    nothin like the spirit of competition to get the juices flowin..

    a ? aint about to be outdone by the next ? .. nooooooo way.. and on the flip a ? aint go get lax cause he know his ? can be got..

    but nahhhhh...
    yall motherfuckas and yall monogamy rarher sit and rot wit each other jus acceptin the ? .

    serves u right! lol

    So in other words,

    Boss is hiring
  • The Lonious Monk
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    Women Struggle with Monogamy More Than Men
    By Amanda Marcotte

    Harder for women to maintain than men? Well, let's fix it then.
    Photo by Andrew H. Walker/Getty Images

    Since its beginnings, when it was called "sociobiology," evolutionary psychology has been wed to the theory that women are monogamous and men are promiscuous—that men have a compunction to spread their seed while women instinctually want to lock some guy down to raise her children. Feminist attempts to create sexual equality between men and women were doomed to fail, because they went against biology. Shrugging was encouraged, and the term "hard-wired" was mandatory.

    But now the evidence is beginning to trickle in, and one sticky fact has thrown this entire theory into jeopardy: It's women and not men who get bored with monogamy faster. As Daniel Bergner writes in the New York Times, women are far more likely to lose interest in sex with their partners. This doesn’t necessarily translate into infidelity—a choice many reject because it’s so hurtful—but, Bergner reports, spouse-weary women often just avoid sex altogether.

    Add to that the study Bergner cites showing women respond to novelty in pornographic fantasies, and another showing that women are much more turned on by fantasies of sex with strangers than friends. You’d be forgiven for concluding that the gender most interested in mixing it up might be…women.

    What's really fascinating is that with this shift in understanding comes a profound shift in how we as a society are deciding to respond. There will be no shrugging of the shoulders and tossing around the word "hard-wired" to rationalize women disappointing male expectations of passionate monogamous sex. Instead, as Bergner writes, a ton of money is being spent on developing a drug women can take to restore their desire for their husbands. The drug, called Lybrido, is in clinical trials now with the hope of writing an FDA application by the end of the year.

    Bergner also implies that women’s declining interest in monogamous sex is socially, not biologically, inflected. Since women receive messages “that sexual desire and expression are not necessarily positive,” he suggests, they tend to require additional stimuli—such as novelty—to get them in the mood. The implication? If we can normalize female desire in society at large, we can presumably encourage women to continue ? after their partners.

    Notice that identifying a lack of sexual excitement as a societal ailment, not a biological one, reduces the sense of fatedness around the issue. When people believed that boredom with monogamy was a male trait for women to endure, interest in fixing it was pretty low. Now that we understand boredom with monogamy to be a female trait for men to endure, it’s suddenly a Problem—with possible solutions. Though frustrating, this is ultimately probably a good thing. Since most of us want to be monogamous, it's about time we took seriously the need to keep it interesting.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/? _factor/2013/05/23/nytimes_on_lybrido_women_get_bored_with_monogamy_faster_than_men.html


    The article is from 2013 but i thought it was worth rehashing considering Lybrido was projected to hit the market this yr.... any thoughts?

    What exactly are we supposed to discuss? Or the better question is what idea are you trying to push with this? It should almost be expected that women cheat more since ? comes to them. Women don't really have to put any effort into cheating. Men for the most part do. So what exactly are we supposed to take from that? Just because women cheat more doesn't mean their motivations for cheating is the same. It also doesn't mean they necessarily have the same drive to "sew their seeds" that men do.
  • 2stepz_ahead
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    zzombie wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    BEAM wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    YOU CAN think whatever the ? you want to think you are another feminized estrogen filled ? ? .
    you are just another man of the current age in other words a ? .

    Nah, I'm just not a one-dimensional ? ? that's all for prejudice yet speaks out against happiness.

    man shut the ? up, sick of you new style ? ? . You ? are the perpetual little boys feminist want you to be. YOU live your life however the ? , just to be happy that's female and little child ? grown men should never live like that or think like that.

    first of all men keep their women in line and keep them stable and happy even at the expense of our own happiness.

    but thats the ? that causes mid life crisis'

    at what point does a man make himself happy?

    i rather ie trying that die not know i didnt take the chance.

    there is a fine line you have to walk but i have a ? kid now i'll give up my happiness for him in a heartbeat and never complain about it for one second and i think all men should be willing to do that.

    that's why i personally don't cheat and stay monogamous but if you are going to cheat you have to be extremely careful because it's not good to have ? affect your child/family in any ? way.

    trust me......i truly understand where you are coming from.
  • desertrain10
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    blacktux wrote: »
    You posting that for the sake of discussion or that article got you feeling some type of way about your own situation?

    Either way, people are getting tired of long term relationships period where they are pretty much "forced" to stay with their s/o. Marriage is slowly weathering away, people are more interested in being happy than being married.

    Thats a good thing btw.

    For the sake of discussion...

    The conventional wisdom has always been that women are better suited for monogamy, less interested in sex than men especially after becoming mothers...

    So thought it would to an interesting discussion

    Also thought it was interesting that even though women are more likely to want to cheat, men are more likely to actually do it? At least from my personal observations

    i disagree....

    i have know more women to cheat than men.

    i have alot of conversations with chicks that open up more to me for some reason ...and most of them have crept out. mostly for their own ego.

    yes, it sounds like a male thing...but lets not act like women dont have egos and want to be constantly pursued.

    Maybe,

    But everything from film to tv paints woman out as wanting monogamy more than men ...its been the conventional wisdom....while male infidelity is framed as "a man being a man"

    Which is why i found this excerpt from the article particularly interesting:

    Bergner also implies that women’s declining interest in monogamous sex is socially, not biologically, inflected. Since women receive messages “that sexual desire and expression are not necessarily positive,” he suggests, they tend to require additional stimuli—such as novelty—to get them in the mood. The implication? If we can normalize female desire in society at large, we can presumably encourage women to continue ? after their partners.
  • LPast
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    S2J wrote: »
    I guess this one of those 'if you really think about it'...'but really on the low' type premises , but no, just no. No need to reinvent the wheel.

    Impossible.

    Just came from the Corey Holcombe show he would destroy this notion.

    In a nutshell: Women need a reason for their mind and body to stray. Men dont. A man can,be 1000% happy and still wild out. Thats the scary truth and death to this argument

    This is the thing in our society. Jealousy and envy is a ? . A lot of people want what they don't have.

    You can have man or woman that wants one thing today and another tomorrow.
  • not_osirus_jenkins
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    zzombie wrote: »
    Pico wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    blacktux wrote: »
    You posting that for the sake of discussion or that article got you feeling some type of way about your own situation?

    Either way, people are getting tired of long term relationships period where they are pretty much "forced" to stay with their s/o. Marriage is slowly weathering away, people are more interested in being happy than being married.

    Thats a good thing btw.

    being happy is overrated

    Wait....what?

    being happy can make you fat and greedy and lazy and lustful and stupid.

    a lot of drug addicts are out here happy as a ? , a lot of obese people are happy as a ? .

    ? this obsession with being happy at all costs that kind of thinking is the downfall of society.

    No ? a Christian supporting conformity of the masses and sheeple
  • Arya Tsaddiq
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    blacktux wrote: »
    You posting that for the sake of discussion or that article got you feeling some type of way about your own situation?

    Either way, people are getting tired of long term relationships period where they are pretty much "forced" to stay with their s/o. Marriage is slowly weathering away, people are more interested in being happy than being married.

    Thats a good thing btw.

    For the sake of discussion...

    The conventional wisdom has always been that women are better suited for monogamy, less interested in sex than men especially after becoming mothers...

    So thought it would to an interesting discussion

    Also thought it was interesting that even though women are more likely to want to cheat, men are more likely to actually do it? At least from my personal observations

    i disagree....

    i have know more women to cheat than men.

    i have alot of conversations with chicks that open up more to me for some reason ...and most of them have crept out. mostly for their own ego.

    yes, it sounds like a male thing...but lets not act like women dont have egos and want to be constantly pursued.

    Maybe,

    But everything from film to tv paints woman out as wanting monogamy more than men ...its been the conventional wisdom....while male infidelity is framed as "a man being a man"

    Which is why i found this excerpt from the article particularly interesting:

    Bergner also implies that women’s declining interest in monogamous sex is socially, not biologically, inflected. Since women receive messages “that sexual desire and expression are not necessarily positive,” he suggests, they tend to require additional stimuli—such as novelty—to get them in the mood. The implication? If we can normalize female desire in society at large, we can presumably encourage women to continue ? after their partners.

    How would we normalize female desire in THIS society?