Arizona Bartender To Transgender Woman: ‘We Don’t Serve Your Kind Drinks’

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  • A Talented One
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    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    And? Find somewhere else to chill. What's the big deal? My family and I were in a dunkin donuts in SC. Although, our ignorant minimum waged white cashier didn't say we weren't wanted in their establishment it was written all over her face and body language. Guess what we did? Middle finger in the air and moved on to the next establishment with better service. It's an easy process. Really it is.

    So how is your story even relevant to what happened to this woman? She wasn't just treated inhospitably; she was refused service and escorted out.

    And besides, being treated inhospitably is a bigger deal than what you're suggesting. For one thing, alternative, comparable establishments might not be so readily available.
  • aneed123
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    I don't care bout da ? ? . That person was treated wrong period
  • D. Morgan
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    Briana Sandy, a transgender woman in Arizona, just wanted to go to a bar, relax and watch American Pharoah become the first horse to win the Triple Crown in almost four decades on Saturday. Instead of watching the beautiful horse make history while having a drink, she became the victim of unbelievable bigotry at the hands of a bartender and security guard.

    In a post on Facebook, Briana said that she was waiting for her car to be repaired on Saturday when she received a notification via the ESPN app on her phone that the Belmont Stakes race was going to begin in thirty minutes. Not wanting to miss what she believed would be a historical horse race, she stopped at the nearest bar to watch it. When she entered the Tempe Tavern in Arizona, she says she was greeted by a pleasant woman, but that’s where the pleasantries ended.

    According to Briana, she sat down at the bar and a young Hispanic guy (whom she later found out was a bouncer) walked up to the bartender and said something to her. Briana explains what happened next in her post:

    “She [the bartender] said ‘I can’t serve you alcohol’ and I asked why – she said ‘we don’t serve your kind drinks.‘ Then the guy came over and said you can’t stay here and all but forced me out the door. As I was leaving, I said ‘Is this because I’m transgender?’ and he said ‘No comment.’ Welcome to the 1960s South. Needless to say, I missed the race I knew would make history. American Pharoah won the Triple Crown and I missed it – all due to pure outright discrimination.”

    She was kicked out of an establishment and refused service because she is transgender. The bouncer said “no comment” because he knows that what he did is not only against Arizona law, but also federal law. If you recall, Arizona was the first state to pass a “religious freedom” law, but Governor Jan Brewer vetoed it when she realized what it would do to the state’s economy; she probably remembered how much money her state lost when she signed SB1070 into law. Smart move.

    After receiving a tidal wave of negative reviews on Facebook, the Tempe Tavern posted an “apology” on their page:

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    [Text reads:] “In regards to the internet mob mentality that has happened in the last 24 hours….We reside next door to an adult book store establishment, that creates a ton of problems. Drugs, prostitution, and overall riff raff. A person of the LGBTQ community came into the bar and was denied service. Unfortunately, the new bartender over reacted and assumed she was from said establishment. We have burlesque shows that feature many members of the LGBTQ community. We welcome everyone. This is unfortunate, and we completely understand our part in it. And we are sorry. But to paint with a broad stroke and say that we are a terrorist, hateful organization, is both inappropriate, and a lie. And furthermore, posts that share people’s addresses, threats of violence, and ‘anarchists’ that threaten violence towards children, is over the line.”

    Hmmmmmm… so refusing her service would be okay if she were a customer of the adult bookstore next door? I’m pretty sure that it is discrimination no matter where she was at before she entered the bar.

    Let’s be honest: The bouncer and bartender at the Tempe Tavern refused Briana service because she was a transgender woman. The bouncer said as much when he forcefully removed her from the bar. In 2015, it is absolutely disgusting that people of any community have to face this sort of disgusting bigotry. Unfortunately for the transgender community, the fight for equality is just beginning. On the bright side, one look at the Tempe Tavern’s Facebook page proves that it is not a fight that the community will face alone.

    First off what year it is doesn't even ? matter. Besides that if that is how that bar really feels good for them. They lose out on a group of peoples money and are fine with that so why should I care. Doing all this just to get served at bar. Why be pressed to spend your money with someone who you know doesn't like you? Basically whats going on now is the ? person like I know you don't like but you going to take my money and keep getting rich regardless of the hate you have for me and those like me. That doesn't make any ? sense. Just take your business elsewhere. Really not that difficult.

    People really need to stop with all the theatrics. Can't force people to accept your lifestyle. Everytime somebody speaks so called "negatively" about ? too many of yall out here acting like this @:23 sec mark on
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yypge69nkPc
  • MECCA1000
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    The bar doesn't want to do business with their kind (their choice) but don't want to own up to it ..... "looked like a prostitute " ... duhfug does a prostitute look like? ! ... and to blame the book store next door? ! ... I would be mad af if I owned that book store and got thrown under a bus when my business had nothing to do with their problems.

    They didn't think the ? was gonna hit the fan .... smart lawyer to swerve cause they don't want problems with that whole lbgtwhatever community ...
  • SneakDZA
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    I'm not sure how serving a customer is considered "being forced to accept their lifestyle". at worst it's being forced to accept their existence which is probably a good idea since they exist whether you want to accept it or not. just sell the ? a drink and go on with your life. easy as pie.
  • Kwan Dai
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    SneakDZA wrote: »
    I'm not sure how serving a customer is considered "being forced to accept their lifestyle". at worst it's being forced to accept their existence which is probably a good idea since they exist whether you want to accept it or not. just sell the ? a drink and go on with your life. easy as pie.

    Why couldn't the ? accept that person didn't want their money and could have gone on with life? Which, is also easy as pie.

  • SneakDZA
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    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    SneakDZA wrote: »
    I'm not sure how serving a customer is considered "being forced to accept their lifestyle". at worst it's being forced to accept their existence which is probably a good idea since they exist whether you want to accept it or not. just sell the ? a drink and go on with your life. easy as pie.

    Why couldn't the ? accept that person didn't want their money and could have gone on with life? Which, is also easy as pie.

    Because that would be accepting discrimination and accepting the idea that people should have the right to deny or scale goods and service to people based solely on their own bigotry. It doesn't take that much extrapolation to figure out the group that that would bite in the ass the worst if it became commonplace and legal again (hint... it's black people). I know a lot of these fake militants on here are all "yeah well if someone doesn't want my money then blah blah blah" but the fact of the matter is they not only don't want your money - they don't want you on this planet. So with that in mind I can't support giving these people the power to decide who they deem worthy to be treated with a base level of acknowledgement as a human being.
  • JusDre313
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    SneakDZA wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    SneakDZA wrote: »
    I'm not sure how serving a customer is considered "being forced to accept their lifestyle". at worst it's being forced to accept their existence which is probably a good idea since they exist whether you want to accept it or not. just sell the ? a drink and go on with your life. easy as pie.

    Why couldn't the ? accept that person didn't want their money and could have gone on with life? Which, is also easy as pie.

    Because that would be accepting discrimination and accepting the idea that people should have the right to deny or scale goods and service to people based solely on their own bigotry. It doesn't take that much extrapolation to figure out the group that that would bite in the ass the worst if it became commonplace and legal again (hint... it's black people). I know a lot of these fake militants on here are all "yeah well if someone doesn't want my money then blah blah blah" but the fact of the matter is they not only don't want your money - they don't want you on this planet. So with that in mind I can't support giving these people the power to decide who they deem worthy to be treated with a base level of acknowledgement as a human being.

    not going to lie...... i had to google the bolded
  • Kwan Dai
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    SneakDZA wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    SneakDZA wrote: »
    I'm not sure how serving a customer is considered "being forced to accept their lifestyle". at worst it's being forced to accept their existence which is probably a good idea since they exist whether you want to accept it or not. just sell the ? a drink and go on with your life. easy as pie.

    Why couldn't the ? accept that person didn't want their money and could have gone on with life? Which, is also easy as pie.

    Because that would be accepting discrimination and accepting the idea that people should have the right to deny or scale goods and service to people based solely on their own bigotry. It doesn't take that much extrapolation to figure out the group that that would bite in the ass the worst if it became commonplace and legal again (hint... it's black people). I know a lot of these fake militants on here are all "yeah well if someone doesn't want my money then blah blah blah" but the fact of the matter is they not only don't want your money - they don't want you on this planet. So with that in mind I can't support giving these people the power to decide who they deem worthy to be treated with a base level of acknowledgement as a human being.

    Sorry this is a ? ass approach. So, you try to belittle people with terms "fake militants" because, you are a scared. I could careless what these people think and so, could many others. While you are playing ? in the ? there are plenty of cross dressing\tannies (J. Edgar Hoover) that want your head on a stick just the same. Stop being naive as, if the plight of a ? is any where connected to that of blacks.

    Lastly if I don't have to shop, eat, watch a movie or socialize with whites or people of any other race. It bothers me not one bit. Life, really does go on.
  • L.O.S.T.
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    I said this a little while ago, they are going to try to make this into the next civil rights movement. They are going to push our issues to the side and make this a priority
  • Kwan Dai
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    L.O.S.T. wrote: »
    I said this a little while ago, they are going to try to make this into the next civil rights movement. They are going to push our issues to the side and make this a priority

    It appears that way to me. And our people riding for them are going to be left looking the fool. When white trannies are living in their segregated communities calling them ? and denying them jobs they will understand.
  • SneakDZA
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    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    SneakDZA wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    SneakDZA wrote: »
    I'm not sure how serving a customer is considered "being forced to accept their lifestyle". at worst it's being forced to accept their existence which is probably a good idea since they exist whether you want to accept it or not. just sell the ? a drink and go on with your life. easy as pie.

    Why couldn't the ? accept that person didn't want their money and could have gone on with life? Which, is also easy as pie.

    Because that would be accepting discrimination and accepting the idea that people should have the right to deny or scale goods and service to people based solely on their own bigotry. It doesn't take that much extrapolation to figure out the group that that would bite in the ass the worst if it became commonplace and legal again (hint... it's black people). I know a lot of these fake militants on here are all "yeah well if someone doesn't want my money then blah blah blah" but the fact of the matter is they not only don't want your money - they don't want you on this planet. So with that in mind I can't support giving these people the power to decide who they deem worthy to be treated with a base level of acknowledgement as a human being.

    Sorry this is a ? ass approach. So, you try to belittle people with terms "fake militants" because, you are a scared. I could careless what these people think and so, could many others. While you are playing ? in the ? there are plenty of cross dressing\tannies (J. Edgar Hoover) that want your head on a stick just the same. Stop being naive as, if the plight of a ? is any where connected to that of blacks.

    Lastly if I don't have to shop, eat, watch a movie or socialize with whites or people of any other race. It bothers me not one bit. Life, really does go on.

    I think you completely missed my point about fake militants and i wasn't talking about you but i guess if the shoe fits. Also I never compared the plight of trannies with that of blacks - I would never do that. What I was suggesting was that once you give these white people the right to legally discriminate against one group they clearly wouldn't just stop there.

    Also... just try not shopping, eating, watching a movie or socializing with whites or people of any other race for just 1 week. I'd like to hear how that goes and I wish you luck but until you try it it's just a lot of talk.

    I can't see how you can be all up in arms in one thread about white people essentially making a swimming pool no coloreds allowed but be in another thread saying you're perfectly fine with discrimination and life goes on.
  • Kwan Dai
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    SneakDZA wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    SneakDZA wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    SneakDZA wrote: »
    I'm not sure how serving a customer is considered "being forced to accept their lifestyle". at worst it's being forced to accept their existence which is probably a good idea since they exist whether you want to accept it or not. just sell the ? a drink and go on with your life. easy as pie.

    Why couldn't the ? accept that person didn't want their money and could have gone on with life? Which, is also easy as pie.

    Because that would be accepting discrimination and accepting the idea that people should have the right to deny or scale goods and service to people based solely on their own bigotry. It doesn't take that much extrapolation to figure out the group that that would bite in the ass the worst if it became commonplace and legal again (hint... it's black people). I know a lot of these fake militants on here are all "yeah well if someone doesn't want my money then blah blah blah" but the fact of the matter is they not only don't want your money - they don't want you on this planet. So with that in mind I can't support giving these people the power to decide who they deem worthy to be treated with a base level of acknowledgement as a human being.

    Sorry this is a ? ass approach. So, you try to belittle people with terms "fake militants" because, you are a scared. I could careless what these people think and so, could many others. While you are playing ? in the ? there are plenty of cross dressing\tannies (J. Edgar Hoover) that want your head on a stick just the same. Stop being naive as, if the plight of a ? is any where connected to that of blacks.

    Lastly if I don't have to shop, eat, watch a movie or socialize with whites or people of any other race. It bothers me not one bit. Life, really does go on.

    I think you completely missed my point about fake militants and i wasn't talking about you but i guess if the shoe fits. Also I never compared the plight of trannies with that of blacks - I would never do that. What I was suggesting was that once you give these white people the right to legally discriminate against one group they clearly wouldn't just stop there.

    Also... just try not shopping, eating, watching a movie or socializing with whites or people of any other race for just 1 week. I'd like to hear how that goes and I wish you luck but until you try it it's just a lot of talk.

    I can't see how you can be all up in arms in one thread about white people essentially making a swimming pool no coloreds allowed but be in another thread saying you're perfectly fine with discrimination and life goes on.

    I didn't miss your point. You are a scared man and in your fear you chose to belittle others.

    Your suggestion is clear insight into your thought process which is, Black discrimination is tied to that of Trannies. It is not. Whites have never let anything get in the way of their of discrimination\violence against Blacks. You come off as foolish asking "why would they stop there". What this ? experienced Blacks have experienced 200 fold and continue too. You are either a very sick person or not well versed in American History and racism in this country.

    So, now you resort to lying? My first post in the thread you referenced was:

    "I would really like for Black folks to stop fraternizing with whites outside of business environments. We have to many of our folks looking to cozy up and it's just not a good look."

    Clown. My subsequent responses were in support of Black children not being treated as criminals and violently manhandled by racists police. Not them being allowed to swim. I could careless. If, those racists would have had a whites only sign up it would have actually prevented them kids from getting their ? kicked, cuffed, and drawn on because, they would have known for sure not to have their Black ? there.

  • aneed123
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    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    SneakDZA wrote: »
    I'm not sure how serving a customer is considered "being forced to accept their lifestyle". at worst it's being forced to accept their existence which is probably a good idea since they exist whether you want to accept it or not. just sell the ? a drink and go on with your life. easy as pie.

    Why couldn't the ? accept that person didn't want their money and could have gone on with life? Which, is also easy as pie.

    I guess ? should been like ? it too when buisnesses were white only? Stop being ignant cuz it ? folk being treated wrong lol also don't deflect with the who how dare u compare ? to black struggle semantics that y'all like to do on here. Wrong is wrong
  • aneed123
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    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    L.O.S.T. wrote: »
    I said this a little while ago, they are going to try to make this into the next civil rights movement. They are going to push our issues to the side and make this a priority

    It appears that way to me. And our people riding for them are going to be left looking the fool. When white trannies are living in their segregated communities calling them ? and denying them jobs they will understand.

    What u mean for them? Its black ? folk too lol. If ur family member was ? or trans whatever u would be cool with them being discriminated against?
  • Kwan Dai
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    aneed123 wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    SneakDZA wrote: »
    I'm not sure how serving a customer is considered "being forced to accept their lifestyle". at worst it's being forced to accept their existence which is probably a good idea since they exist whether you want to accept it or not. just sell the ? a drink and go on with your life. easy as pie.

    Why couldn't the ? accept that person didn't want their money and could have gone on with life? Which, is also easy as pie.

    I guess ? should been like ? it too when buisnesses were white only? Stop being ignant cuz it ? folk being treated wrong lol also don't deflect with the who how dare u compare ? to black struggle semantics that y'all like to do on here. Wrong is wrong

    To answer your question. Yes. I have no issues with people that see or believe integration is or was better solution. I lean toward Garvey and Malcolm's philosophy.

    If not serving someone a drink or selling them flowers is "wrong" your priorities are screwed. I would agree with anyone of you if this person was denied health care, police protection or education. But since that's not the case. Beat it with that ? .

  • aneed123
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    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    aneed123 wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    SneakDZA wrote: »
    I'm not sure how serving a customer is considered "being forced to accept their lifestyle". at worst it's being forced to accept their existence which is probably a good idea since they exist whether you want to accept it or not. just sell the ? a drink and go on with your life. easy as pie.

    Why couldn't the ? accept that person didn't want their money and could have gone on with life? Which, is also easy as pie.

    I guess ? should been like ? it too when buisnesses were white only? Stop being ignant cuz it ? folk being treated wrong lol also don't deflect with the who how dare u compare ? to black struggle semantics that y'all like to do on here. Wrong is wrong

    To answer your question. Yes. I have no issues with people that see or believe integration is or was better solution. I lean toward Garvey and Malcolm's philosophy.

    If not serving someone a drink or selling them flowers is "wrong" your priorities are screwed. I would agree with anyone of you if this person was denied health care, police protection or education. But since that's not the case. Beat it with that ? .

    Not serving them drinks cuz of their color or sexual orientation is wrong homie. Me and u both know that.
  • Kwan Dai
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    aneed123 wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    aneed123 wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    SneakDZA wrote: »
    I'm not sure how serving a customer is considered "being forced to accept their lifestyle". at worst it's being forced to accept their existence which is probably a good idea since they exist whether you want to accept it or not. just sell the ? a drink and go on with your life. easy as pie.

    Why couldn't the ? accept that person didn't want their money and could have gone on with life? Which, is also easy as pie.

    I guess ? should been like ? it too when buisnesses were white only? Stop being ignant cuz it ? folk being treated wrong lol also don't deflect with the who how dare u compare ? to black struggle semantics that y'all like to do on here. Wrong is wrong

    To answer your question. Yes. I have no issues with people that see or believe integration is or was better solution. I lean toward Garvey and Malcolm's philosophy.

    If not serving someone a drink or selling them flowers is "wrong" your priorities are screwed. I would agree with anyone of you if this person was denied health care, police protection or education. But since that's not the case. Beat it with that ? .

    Not serving them drinks cuz of their color or sexual orientation is wrong homie. Me and u both know that.

    Your priorities are warped. Homie.

  • aneed123
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    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    aneed123 wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    aneed123 wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    SneakDZA wrote: »
    I'm not sure how serving a customer is considered "being forced to accept their lifestyle". at worst it's being forced to accept their existence which is probably a good idea since they exist whether you want to accept it or not. just sell the ? a drink and go on with your life. easy as pie.

    Why couldn't the ? accept that person didn't want their money and could have gone on with life? Which, is also easy as pie.

    I guess ? should been like ? it too when buisnesses were white only? Stop being ignant cuz it ? folk being treated wrong lol also don't deflect with the who how dare u compare ? to black struggle semantics that y'all like to do on here. Wrong is wrong

    To answer your question. Yes. I have no issues with people that see or believe integration is or was better solution. I lean toward Garvey and Malcolm's philosophy.

    If not serving someone a drink or selling them flowers is "wrong" your priorities are screwed. I would agree with anyone of you if this person was denied health care, police protection or education. But since that's not the case. Beat it with that ? .

    Not serving them drinks cuz of their color or sexual orientation is wrong homie. Me and u both know that.

    Your priorities are warped. Homie.
    My priorities have nothing to do with us disagreeing on someone being discriminated against.
  • Bulletproof Wallets
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    Its all cool until Transgenders start opening up Daycare Centers....then what???
  • Kwan Dai
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    Let them rock and whoever chooses to do business with them, let them rock as well.

  • riddlerap
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    zzombie wrote: »
    Why the ? are they referring to "it" as "she".

    goat first reply of any thread ever
  • Focal Point
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    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    SneakDZA wrote: »
    I'm not sure how serving a customer is considered "being forced to accept their lifestyle". at worst it's being forced to accept their existence which is probably a good idea since they exist whether you want to accept it or not. just sell the ? a drink and go on with your life. easy as pie.

    Why couldn't the ? accept that person didn't want their money and could have gone on with life? Which, is also easy as pie.

    Can't throw someone out for just existing
  • semi-auto-mato
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    ok I felt bad for it in the beginning but once it said welcome to the 1960s south...smh...I hate when people compare the lgbtq struggle to that of the black community. nah welcome to 2015 where confused ? wanna become ? and think its nothing wrong with that ? ...smh