Is Big L the most talented rapper ever?
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MontyM.Max wrote: »Nah. BIG is the most talented rapper of all time. ? made rapping seem easier than anyone I've ever heard.
As far as rhyming L is definitely nicer than BIG
Pun nicer than both of them tho -
He is talent byt not as nas and prodigy
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Big L pound for pound is one of the most talented ever. Ebonics and his freestyle against Jay-Z (best freestyle I've ever heard) among other songs prove that.
On a talent basis, he could be top 5. But I wouldn't put him as the MOST talented ever. -
To be honest Big L is one the best I've ever heard. He's one of the best to ever spit on the mic, he definitely had a lot of talent.
Nice avy man. If Biggie was still alive, I'd say he had potential to be the most talented MC ever. -
sigel sigel ya heard>>>>>
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L was talented no doubt, but his life & career was cut way too short to judge him against a Jay-Z or Nas or others around that era that have a lengthy catalog. Had he not died this would be a better argument.
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Dude dropped a mediocre album for his debut and got killed then all of a sudden his legacy gets inflated. lol
Dudes like OC have better albums than Big L and are nicer imo, but because they ain't dead they don't get credit. -
1 of the most talented pure rappers/MC's/technical lyricists ever
Along with
Jay Z
Big Pun
Nas
Canibus
Andre 3000
Black Thought
Big Boi
Rass Kass
Notorious B.I.G
Kurupt
Rakim
Big Daddy Kane
Kool G Rap
Inspectah Deck
Ghostface
Method Man
Fabolous
Cassidy
KRS-One
Crooked I
Royce
Lord Jamar
Busta Rhymes
Joel Ortiz
Joe Budden
Cory Gunz
J Cole
MC Shan
AZ
R.A. The Rugged Man
Common
Lupe Fiasco
Talib Kweli
Mos Def
J.R. Writer
Cormega
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anyone can spit bars
So incredibly wrong. Writing is a very big talent that few possess.
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Making words rhyme together is definitley easy your average person can't do it as technically well as a Jay Z or a Nas or a Canibus or a Common or a Big Pun no where near like those lyricists. But non the less anyone can rhyme
Actual song writing and making catchy music, melodies, making music that emotionally connects with the masses, helps people over come struggles is what takes talent obviously still have good or decent technicality but ultimatley the key is just being all rounded so a great rapper who is artistic gives u everything from singing to being able to produce to making songs that help someone going through struggles
All them rappers i listed also just pay RnB singers to feature and do the hooks on their songs and none of them can produce so they pay producers to make the beat
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Making words rhyme together is definitley easy your average person can't do it as technically well as a Jay Z or a Nas or a Canibus or a Common or a Big Pun no where near like those lyricists. But non the less anyone can rhyme
Actual song writing and making catchy music, melodies, making music that emotionally connects with the masses, helps people over come struggles is what takes talent obviously still have good or decent technicality but ultimatley the key is just being all rounded so a great rapper who is artistic gives u everything from singing to being able to produce to making songs that help someone going through struggles
All them rappers i listed also just pay RnB singers to feature and do the hooks on their songs and none of them can produce so they pay producers to make the beat
That's the thing though, most people cannot put words together as well like a Jay-Z or old 50 Cent or 2pac did. It takes a lot of effort, musical intelligence and just a good vibe to what people want to hear. I see your point though.
Also, some of those rappers you named do produce, JR Writer is one of them -
kingblaze84 wrote: »
Making words rhyme together is definitley easy your average person can't do it as technically well as a Jay Z or a Nas or a Canibus or a Common or a Big Pun no where near like those lyricists. But non the less anyone can rhyme
Actual song writing and making catchy music, melodies, making music that emotionally connects with the masses, helps people over come struggles is what takes talent obviously still have good or decent technicality but ultimatley the key is just being all rounded so a great rapper who is artistic gives u everything from singing to being able to produce to making songs that help someone going through struggles
All them rappers i listed also just pay RnB singers to feature and do the hooks on their songs and none of them can produce so they pay producers to make the beat
That's the thing though, most people cannot put words together as well like a Jay-Z or old 50 Cent or 2pac did. It takes a lot of effort, musical intelligence and just a good vibe to what people want to hear. I see your point though.
Also, some of those rappers you named do produce, JR Writer is one of them
JR produces? didn't know very surprised by that -
L could have the goat delivery.
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L was talented no doubt, but his life & career was cut way too short to judge him against a Jay-Z or Nas or others around that era that have a lengthy catalog. Had he not died this would be a better argument.
That's the thing about Notorious BIG. He was in the game for about just as long as Big L. They have the same amount of material but Notorious BIG is in people's top 5s...and rightfully so.
You can't make an objective argument for Big L being in the top 10 because neither one of his albums was groundbreaking, except for that Harlem's Finest LP...and that didn't have any hits unless you consider that freestyle with Jay Z a "hit". -
He's up there, but I gotta put Nas, Rakim, Mos Def, and GZA above him in just raw MC ability, particularly in their primes. Maybe Deck too. I think Inspectah Deck from 1993-1997 might've been the most skilled MC on the planet. And I'm still not sure I can name a rapper that has a song more lyrical than his best work.
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most talented? no
great punchline type rapper, i think if he came out in the early 2000's he would have just been one of the mixtape rappers
I was waiting for this response because I've heard it many times. it's doing him a disservice by calling him a punchline/mixtape rapper. he was a straight up poet, pure and simple. there wasn't a single flaw in his ability to rhyme and put words together. he was able to storytell and paint vivid pictures of the ? he saw around him in harlem. Ebonics alone should be enough to cement L as an all-time talent in hiphop. -
MontyM.Max wrote: »Nah. BIG is the most talented rapper of all time. ? made rapping seem easier than anyone I've ever heard.
L tops my list but obviously, Biggie was mad talented and has an argument for this topic. -
1 of the most talented pure rappers/MC's/technical lyricists ever
Along with
Jay Z
Big Pun
Nas
Canibus
Andre 3000
Black Thought
Big Boi
Rass Kass
Notorious B.I.G
Kurupt
Rakim
Big Daddy Kane
Kool G Rap
Inspectah Deck
Ghostface
Method Man
Fabolous
Cassidy
KRS-One
Crooked I
Royce
Lord Jamar
Busta Rhymes
Joel Ortiz
Joe Budden
Cory Gunz
J Cole
MC Shan
AZ
R.A. The Rugged Man
Common
Lupe Fiasco
Talib Kweli
Mos Def
J.R. Writer
Cormega
Weren't you just dissing half the guys on this list about two weeks ago? -
Big L was the pinnacle of punch line rappers, everything they could, are and would be... I wouldnt go as far as saying most talented tho, ? barely dropped one album while he was alive and talent directly correlates to your body of work and longevity.
You are not alone tho, I have definitely been listening to Big L at times and thought "Damn, aint nobody ever, ? with L's level of great" -
most talented? no
great punchline type rapper, i think if he came out in the early 2000's he would have just been one of the mixtape rappers
I was waiting for this response because I've heard it many times. it's doing him a disservice by calling him a punchline/mixtape rapper. he was a straight up poet, pure and simple. there wasn't a single flaw in his ability to rhyme and put words together. he was able to storytell and paint vivid pictures of the ? he saw around him in harlem. Ebonics alone should be enough to cement L as an all-time talent in hiphop.
1 song should never cement anyone, I hate when ppl list a song or two by a rapper like that's enough to rank them all time
I'm not saying big l wasn't a good rapper but if he came out a few years later he'd be Lloyd banks, Cassidy, fab, or d block...he's better then them but he's not in the same lane as Pac, nas, jayz....he his album(s) weren't nearly as well rounded -
Making words rhyme together is definitley easy your average person can't do it as technically well as a Jay Z or a Nas or a Canibus or a Common or a Big Pun no where near like those lyricists. But non the less anyone can rhyme
Actual song writing and making catchy music, melodies, making music that emotionally connects with the masses, helps people over come struggles is what takes talent obviously still have good or decent technicality but ultimatley the key is just being all rounded so a great rapper who is artistic gives u everything from singing to being able to produce to making songs that help someone going through struggles
All them rappers i listed also just pay RnB singers to feature and do the hooks on their songs and none of them can produce so they pay producers to make the beat
Anybody can rhyme "cat" with "hat" and "bat." To try and compare that with actually being competent in writing multi-syllabic rhyme schemes and structure it to a coherent narrative is like saying any 3rd grader could write like Shakespeare because they know their alphabet. That doesn't even get into then being able to deliver it. Rapping and singing are also two completely different skills. A great rapper can't necessarily sing at all and a great singer certainly doesn't mean they can rap.
It seems you don't have a lot of respect, if any, for the art form. -
hell yeah
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i'm known for snatchin' purses and bombin' churches
I get more ? by accident than most ? get on purpose
I got drug spots from New York to Canada
Cause Big L be ? ' with more keys than a janitor -
That Freestye Jay Z did with Big L Jay Z on that Freestyle>>>>>Any Jay Z song
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Making words rhyme together is definitley easy your average person can't do it as technically well as a Jay Z or a Nas or a Canibus or a Common or a Big Pun no where near like those lyricists. But non the less anyone can rhyme
Actual song writing and making catchy music, melodies, making music that emotionally connects with the masses, helps people over come struggles is what takes talent obviously still have good or decent technicality but ultimatley the key is just being all rounded so a great rapper who is artistic gives u everything from singing to being able to produce to making songs that help someone going through struggles
All them rappers i listed also just pay RnB singers to feature and do the hooks on their songs and none of them can produce so they pay producers to make the beat
Anybody can rhyme "cat" with "hat" and "bat." To try and compare that with actually being competent in writing multi-syllabic rhyme schemes and structure it to a coherent narrative is like saying any 3rd grader could write like Shakespeare because they know their alphabet. That doesn't even get into then being able to deliver it. Rapping and singing are also two completely different skills. A great rapper can't necessarily sing at all and a great singer certainly doesn't mean they can rap.
It seems you don't have a lot of respect, if any, for the art form.
exactly rhyming multisyllablic while still making sense in terms of the line it self and also not ? with the metaphor wordplay punchlines and being complex in terms of the rhyme scheme it's no easy to do so i agree with this post.
