Thee Official Drake vs Meek Mill beef thread

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  • your flyness
    your flyness Members Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Screwtape wrote: »
    What I´ve understood from this thread (granted i ain´t read all of it), Drake doesn´t have a ghostwriter, but someone that shows him how he should ´FLOW´ over a certain beat...that is not the same thing as having a ghostwriter which explains 40 defending his pen game, and the fact that he has written countless of other hits for others...

    have you saw the reference track?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4W5fPGcNHI

    I dont know the reference track could have been after Drake wrote the lyrics, then QM did the flow for him.

  • Screwtape
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    People really think they can change the rules of Hip Hop. This is why I can't get with rap now a days. People that don't even rep the culture or understand it trying to set rules. This is why we don't consider Puffy, Dr. Dre or even KanYe "GOAT" emcees cause we know they have writers. Drake has been running around for 5 years bragging about how he's better than everyone else, that it's "Drake featuring Drake", "I got everyone on safety" "I got all the #1 singles", Blah, blah. And Mainstream Media is right there to prop him up.

    Does this change that some songs or albums were good or hot? No but it does change him bragging about being some type of lyricist. Then he had the nerve to say "Nothing comes through New York anymore". Which is exactly why he got ETHERED IN NEW YORK, lol, Krama. I'm glad Flexed aired him out. I wouldn't even be shocked that Drake probably has a team of writers and based on the reference tape they do his flow as well.

    I'm sorry but He's not a true spitter, never was. He's a pop artist/rapper. Had the nerve to go at real emcee like Common and all the people trying to say he got Common when he proabaly didn't even write that verse. The mask is off. Drake is arrogant and feeling himself which is why he got his card pulled. The Reference Tape tells the tale. Again if you like Drake, cool. But trying to prop him up as some lyricist is over.

    great post, really hits the nail on the head.
  • Jabu_Rule
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    Like Water wrote: »
    @KamPushMe and @Jabu_Rule I hope both you gentlemen flagged @BritishGentleman last post because it was him who posted it and not because of the content of Lupe's message. That ? is spot on and should be met with absolutely no type of resistance or questioning.

    Drake claims to be the best rapper, but didn't write his raps. There is nothing else to discuss.
  • lamontbdc
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    Screwtape wrote: »
    What I´ve understood from this thread (granted i ain´t read all of it), Drake doesn´t have a ghostwriter, but someone that shows him how he should ´FLOW´ over a certain beat...that is not the same thing as having a ghostwriter which explains 40 defending his pen game, and the fact that he has written countless of other hits for others...

    have you saw the reference track?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4W5fPGcNHI

    I dont know the reference track could have been after Drake wrote the lyrics, then QM did the flow for him.

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  • murdap
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    "Last name ever first name greatest like a spraind ankle boy i aint nothing to play with" - q miller.

    I knew drizzy's bars was way too hard and clever for wheel chair jimmy
  • Screwtape
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    Screwtape wrote: »
    What I´ve understood from this thread (granted i ain´t read all of it), Drake doesn´t have a ghostwriter, but someone that shows him how he should ´FLOW´ over a certain beat...that is not the same thing as having a ghostwriter which explains 40 defending his pen game, and the fact that he has written countless of other hits for others...

    have you saw the reference track?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4W5fPGcNHI

    I dont know the reference track could have been after Drake wrote the lyrics, then QM did the flow for him.

    and recorded it lol? why bother? plus i dont listen to drake, but theres a apparently a line in there that points to him writing since at least 'started from the bottom'


    this will all come to light anyway. cats out the bag, so we will see what happens.
  • FishNChips
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    lamontbdc wrote: »
    Screwtape wrote: »
    What I´ve understood from this thread (granted i ain´t read all of it), Drake doesn´t have a ghostwriter, but someone that shows him how he should ´FLOW´ over a certain beat...that is not the same thing as having a ghostwriter which explains 40 defending his pen game, and the fact that he has written countless of other hits for others...

    have you saw the reference track?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4W5fPGcNHI

    I dont know the reference track could have been after Drake wrote the lyrics, then QM did the flow for him.

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    mate, did you just call another man daddy?

  • TayGettem
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    Jabu_Rule wrote: »
    Like Water wrote: »
    @KamPushMe and @Jabu_Rule I hope both you gentlemen flagged @BritishGentleman last post because it was him who posted it and not because of the content of Lupe's message. That ? is spot on and should be met with absolutely no type of resistance or questioning.

    Drake claims to be the best rapper, but didn't write his raps. There is nothing else to discuss.

    ? u know damn well Ghostwriters didn't write every Drake verse ever heard
    Also Drake could of wrote his verse and the Ghostwriter could of gave him the flow
    Either way there's no hard proof
  • Screwtape
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    LPast wrote: »
    You have to consider the nature of rap. You don't play an instrument, make the beat, so the words you say are expected to be your own.


    another nail on the head point.
  • StoneColdMikey
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    Yall make drake fans look and wtf . . Everybody right this puts an asterisk for drake as an Emcee no matter what even if he wrote for others. It should matter yeah he writes most of his ? but until it's proven that drake still wrote the verse and qM just showed him how to flow. Then yeah hat asterisk always gonna be there for me. Ima still ? with his music cuz he he good to me but it will always be a side eye
  • SouthsideShawn
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    drake still running the game .
  • ShencotheMC
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    smh so now its gonna be one mind against a team of writers? hip hop is becoming a sitcom
  • texas409
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    this is why I dont come in Reason often. Too many explanations and hate
  • TayGettem
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    IgboNegro wrote: »
    TayGettem wrote: »
    Jabu_Rule wrote: »
    Like Water wrote: »
    @KamPushMe and @Jabu_Rule I hope both you gentlemen flagged @BritishGentleman last post because it was him who posted it and not because of the content of Lupe's message. That ? is spot on and should be met with absolutely no type of resistance or questioning.

    Drake claims to be the best rapper, but didn't write his raps. There is nothing else to discuss.

    ? u know damn well Ghostwriters didn't write every Drake verse ever heard
    Also Drake could of wrote his verse and the Ghostwriter could of gave him the flow
    Either way there's no hard proof

    Drake is cool and all, but he can't be touted with the greats no more

    I agree its jus the whole fuckery of it Drake and meek ? in my eyes
  • nex gin
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    Nigguhs really in here defending rappers spitting 16s that they didn't even write????

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  • IgboNegro
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    nex gin wrote: »
    Nigguhs really in here defending rappers spitting 16s that they didn't even write????

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    It's like 3 ? doing this
  • Peezy_Jenkins
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    lupefiascoThe Haunting.

    A Letter

    Part 1 of 2

    To rappers from a rapper...simply write your own rhymes as much as you can if you are able. Ghostwriting, or borrowing lines, or taking suggestions from the room has always been in rap and will always be in rap. It is nothing to go crazy over or be offended about unless you are someone who postures him or herself on the importance of authenticity and tries to portray that quality to your fans or the public at large. Then we might have a problem. Some of the most pivotal moments in rap have been ghostwritten verses.


    This leads to a bigger point. Rapping is not an easy thing to do. It's takes years of work and trial and error to master some of its finer points. Respect from other MC's comes in many formats. Sales, live performances, realness etc but the one thing that is the most important is the raps themselves at least in the eyes of other serious rappers. The phrase "I'm not a rapper" gets thrown around as if it's a badge of honor. And that's fine. If rap is a side hustle for you or just a come up then by all means may the force be with you.


    But I know a lot of MC's where rap is the first love and the first thing they think about when they wake up and the last thing they think about when they go to sleep. Rappers who pursue the art form with this level of intention may not become rich and famous off selling their raps to a wide audience but that has never been an accepted metric to begin with in terms of quality or level of skill. The vast majority of rappers will never sell 100 records in their lifetimes let alone millions.


    But that's not the point, the point is that what pursuing the craft gives us in terms of the intangibles is something that record sales or fame could never represent. We achieve a mastery of language and poetics that competes on the highest levels of discourse across the entirety of human history. We express ourselves creatively and attain a sense of liberation and self-esteem via this sacred mode of creation and communication.




    lupefiascoPart 2 Of 2

    Modern Radio and the commercial realm of music has injured rap. It set up ambiguous rules and systems for success that don't take into consideration the quality and skill of the rappers craft. It redefined rap as just being a beat driven hook with some words in between and an entire generation has surrendered to chasing the format instead of chasing the art form. While mastering any format should be the pursuit of any self-respecting rapper including the commercial format it must be kept clear that it is just one of many formats and that you should strive to master all of them. The art form is kept alive and progressive in the activities of the tens of thousands of rappers around the world who are everyday trying to think of that next witty bar. Trying to put that crazy verse together while at work. Trying to find that word that rhymes with catapult so they can finish off that vivid story rap about their childhood.


    Meek Mill struck a nerve accusing Drake of having a ghostwriter and the entire rap world reacted on all sides of the fence because rap is alive. It's active and it feels. Its rules and traditions are vibrant and responsive. I enjoy both these brothers music and find inspiration and appreciation from both of them. I remember being in Toronto at Goodfoot years ago and it was a stack of CD's on the counter and the guy behind the counter was like "Lupe you gotta take this CD. It's my mans mixtape." I didn't really pay it any mind I took it to the car and looked it over and just kind of set it aside focused on other things. I vividly remember saying "what kind of rap name is Drake?" The rest is history.


    Once while in Philly I went to do an interview in a shabby and very hood basement studio complex. I peeked into one of the rooms and it was this tall kid with his shirt off bouncing up and down in the booth with an energy that was electric. I gave him my regards. He gave them back. I think I mentioned something about him cutting his dreads. As I left I remember him rapping something about being a boss. The rest is history. At the end of the day, for better or worse, rap is alive even if some of its greatest moments are written by ghosts.

    well written
  • LPast
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    All I know these dudes love social media so much that no one should have to defend them.

    If Meek is lying Drake should come out and say it already.
  • FishNChips
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    what if Quentin Miller only helped Drake with the punctuation and grammar in his raps?
  • IgboNegro
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    what if Quentin Miller only helped Drake with the punctuation and grammar in his raps?

    Stop
  • KamPushMe
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    what if Quentin Miller only helped Drake with the punctuation and grammar in his raps?

    Shut up ?
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