Cassidy Says That Rappers Having Writers Is Normal And Not A Big deal
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du-nvb-S9KM"There's been plenty of rappers that I like they music my whole life before I knew them, and then when I got a chance to meet them, they wanted me to write for them."
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? Cassidy
Other news Drake has a history of ghost reading
http://www.complex.com/music/2015/07/drake-ghostwriting-collaborating -
He needs to tell us who these ? with ghostwriters are. They need to come out the closet, pause
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Listencloser wrote: »? Cassidy
Other news Drake has a history of ghost reading
http://www.complex.com/music/2015/07/drake-ghostwriting-collaborating
Why don't you start a thread about it then?
This thread is about Cassidy revealing that it is normal to have writers and that basically all the established rappers use them. -
J.J._Evans wrote: »Listencloser wrote: »? Cassidy
Other news Drake has a history of ghost reading
http://www.complex.com/music/2015/07/drake-ghostwriting-collaborating
Why don't you start a thread about it then?
This thread is about Cassidy revealing that it is normal to have writers and that basically all the established rappers use them.
like who? Exactly, he didn't say ? . -
Listencloser wrote: »? Cassidy
Other news Drake has a history of ghost reading
http://www.complex.com/music/2015/07/drake-ghostwriting-collaborating
help on hooks is common
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http://www.complex.com/music/2015/07/drake-ghostwriting-collaborating
? . That's way more than help on hooks. Any of you ? read this? Lol.... Drake got army of ghostwriters -
oh my bad i aint read the whole thing lol.
but for example where ol girl said she texted a bar. that ? is common, as ? . ? bounce ideas or be like "say it like this" all the time. -
One ? said he gave a whole verse and was being cagey about it.
Some of them bars she gave him are like noteworthy quotes. She's an actual poet. Where does it end? Whose bars are actually on them sprite cans? ? is a slippery slope yo. I can't get behind this "collaborating on bars" thing. A ? gotta write his own bars lol...
Plus the ? said he ain't get proper credit neither. How many ghosts has he run through we haven't heard from at all? -
blackamerica wrote: »He needs to tell us who these ? with ghostwriters are. They need to come out the closet, pause
Co-sign 100%. We need air all these industry ? out. It's time for a cleansing. We got to destroy and rebuild. No ? should be protected. Heads need to roll man. Let's get some transparency.
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im tellin yall, that one bar here and there thing is more common than u think. if yall have been in a studio on a regular basis ud see, ideas are bounced off the wall all the time, but that whole verse ? nah
damn im goin in was hard too smfh
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I'm Goin' In is like one of his more famous lyrical joints lol
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Ghostwriting in Hip Hop isn't new so Cassidy is correct...you could say Grandmaster Caz is considered the 1st ghostwriter considering he wrote Big Bank Hank's (RIP) verse from Sugar Hill Gang's "Rapper's Delight". It's been plenty of controversy about ghostwriting and whether we like it or not, they're in the industry, but the key rule is that the ghostwriter is to remain in the shadows, write the hits and collect checks.
Mad Skillz aka Skillz is one of the well known ghostwriters in the game, even released a track about it exposing his clientele, but left the names edited in the song..everyone knows The DOC's pen game with Dr. Dre, Snoop, Eazy etc...and I'm sure ya'll know about Rakim writing "Summertime" for Will Smith. The ghostwriting in Hip Hop is endless: Sauce Money is another infamous ghostwriter...
If you're a student of Hip Hop and lyric styles and have a good ear, you can easily pick up certain flows on a majority of artists and realize that most of them had their lyrics written by someone else, especially when they used to rap a certain way on one album then all of a sudden their rap style changed drastically, in this case and point Drake.
Which is why this ? doesn't surprise me when some use to say JayZ bit Young Chris' flow...ironic. -
Damn I knew ghost writing is around but Cassidy makes it seem like almost everyone does it. Then he saying he wouldn't be surprised to hear like Nas, Rakim, and Biggie having some. And then that rumor came out about Nas.
Finding out my favorite rappers have writers don't sit well with me. Like when I was a kid and found out wrestling was fake lol. It was never the same after that. -
if an artist is established. best believe he has some writers or used some.
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Damn....I hope none of my favorite rappers got/had ghostwriters. I don't know how I would feel about that?
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One ? said he gave a whole verse and was being cagey about it.
Some of them bars she gave him are like noteworthy quotes. She's an actual poet. Where does it end? Whose bars are actually on them sprite cans? ? is a slippery slope yo. I can't get behind this "collaborating on bars" thing. A ? gotta write his own bars lol...
Plus the ? said he ain't get proper credit neither. How many ghosts has he run through we haven't heard from at all?
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http://www.complex.com/music/2015/07/drake-ghostwriting-collaborating
? . That's way more than help on hooks. Any of you ? read this? Lol.... Drake got army of ghostwriters
Those are only accusations, just like a lot of posters wanted to say the two guys coming at Meek about ghostwriting for him were nothing but accusations. They basically said that unless there are reference tracks, it's only accusations.
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Disciplined InSight wrote: »Ghostwriting in Hip Hop isn't new so Cassidy is correct...you could say Grandmaster Caz is considered the 1st ghostwriter considering he wrote Big Bank Hank's (RIP) verse from Sugar Hill Gang's "Rapper's Delight". It's been plenty of controversy about ghostwriting and whether we like it or not, they're in the industry, but the key rule is that the ghostwriter is to remain in the shadows, write the hits and collect checks.
Mad Skillz aka Skillz is one of the well known ghostwriters in the game, even released a track about it exposing his clientele, but left the names edited in the song..everyone knows The DOC's pen game with Dr. Dre, Snoop, Eazy etc...and I'm sure ya'll know about Rakim writing "Summertime" for Will Smith. The ghostwriting in Hip Hop is endless: Sauce Money is another infamous ghostwriter...
If you're a student of Hip Hop and lyric styles and have a good ear, you can easily pick up certain flows on a majority of artists and realize that most of them had their lyrics written by someone else, especially when they used to rap a certain way on one album then all of a sudden their rap style changed drastically, in this case and point Drake.
Which is why this ? doesn't surprise me when some use to say JayZ bit Young Chris' flow...ironic.
Get that ? out of here with that jayz biting young chris flow.......that has to be one of the worst reachest i ever
Heard in hip hop..... thats just some ? some random ? said, and everybody latched on
to basically make jay look bad.........ive been listening to both these ? , from the beginning and
didnt hear no similarities. ....
? reminds me of the ? rumor of pun hitting jay over the head with a bottle......and
everybody riding with the myth, even jim jones was riding with it, than jay said in a song he never
Got hit in a head with a bottle years later.........
than i seen a interview recently like 3 years ago on forbez dvd with cuban links talking, and he said jay never got hit in a head with
a bottle, but memphis bleek is the one who hit a ? in terror squad over the head with a bottle........
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Im on the fence with every point made in this thread
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Trillaaaaaa wrote: »Im on the fence with every point made in this thread
Good post and I think a lot of posters are in the same position.
This Cassidy revelation basically says that everyone does it and it's been happening for a very long time. This revelation hurts the argument that some posters have made against Drake. -
Soooooo, if ghostwriting has been around so long why wasn't it a big deal until now? People are trying to group R&B writers with rap writers but it's not the same. Singers get by on their voices, rappers get by on their lyrics. Nobody cares about a rappers voice. And why aren't too many rappers out here telling us they have ghostwriters but they love to tell us they're the best? Never seen so many folks give something a pass that's not supposed to be a good thing. ? can't get a pass because they sound like another rapper but ghostwriting is ok? Alright..
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I don't really care about the the ghostwriting debate to a point. There's one thing to help with hooks and certain lines getting bounced around in the studio I understand that. However, taking someone else's skills and making it seem like it's your own on EVERY aspect of your game is something I got a problem with.
There's a place for ghosts as far as guys for Diddy or Dre they're not known for lyrical ability. But when you a rapper and people trying to claim you're one of the best in the game and the majority of your ? is written by someone else, I don't respect that IMO. Drake has his cake and eats it too and as much records he sells, no one in their right mind will claim he's a lyrical great ghostwriters or not. -
Soooooo, if ghostwriting has been around so long why wasn't it a big deal until now? People are trying to group R&B writers with rap writers but it's not the same. Singers get by on their voices, rappers get by on their lyrics. Nobody cares about a rappers voice. And why aren't too many rappers out here telling us they have ghostwriters but they love to tell us they're the best? Never seen so many folks give something a pass that's not supposed to be a good thing. ? can't get a pass because they sound like another rapper but ghostwriting is ok? Alright..
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J.J._Evans wrote: »http://www.complex.com/music/2015/07/drake-ghostwriting-collaborating
? . That's way more than help on hooks. Any of you ? read this? Lol.... Drake got army of ghostwriters
Those are only accusations, just like a lot of posters wanted to say the two guys coming at Meek about ghostwriting for him were nothing but accusations. They basically said that unless there are reference tracks, it's only accusations.
It's not abt the accustions...its just ? is trippin saying Drake lied
1) Drake put QM in the writing credits so he basically admits to having help not his fault people don't read the credits
2) Drake admitted he got help from a poet in a interview not his fault folks don't listen
3) Drake admitted in another interview the his inspired by Nicklus F
NOT ONCE DID DRAKE LIE ABT HAVING A HELP
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Lol said part is ? really would be hurt if they found out most of they favs have writters
