Rap Songs That Sampled Kool & The Gang

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edited September 2015 in The Reason
In another thread, @Bck145 balked at the idea that Kool & The Gang could possibly be better than The Beatles. What he doesn't know is that Kool & The Gang had enormous success throughout the 70s and 80s selling over 70 million records, number one hits and platinum records

Not only were they a successful, but they've been sampled hundreds of times by Hip Hop producers from every region in America. Here's a partial list of their songs that have been sampled courtesy of The-Breaks.com;

Kool and the Gang: (De-Lite 1969)

* “Give it Up” (Drums)
A Tribe Called Quest’s “Scenario”
Beastie Boys’s “Professor ? ”
Compton's Most Wanted’s “Compton 4 Life”
Cypress Hill’s “The Phuncky Feel One”
Deee-Lite’s “Deee-Lite Theme”
Eric B and Rakim’s “Don't Sweat the Technique”
Gang Starr’s “Take a Rest”
Greg Osby’s “3-D Lifestyles”
Lionrock’s “Morning Will Come When I'm Not Ready”
MC Brains’s “Everybody's Talkin' about MC Brains”
NWA’s “Real ? ”
Organized Konfusion’s “Intro”
Uptown’s “Dope on Plastic”
X-Clan’s “Shaft's Big Score”

* “Chocolate Buttermilk”
Chubb Rock’s “The Night Scene”
Eric B and Rakim’s “Keep 'em Eager to Listen”
Eric B and Rakim’s “No Omega”
Heavy D’s “Let it Flow”
Marley Marl’s “Simon Says”
Masta Ace’s “Simon Says”
Pete Rock & CL Smooth’s “Straighten it Out”
Special Ed’s “Ready 2 Attack”
Stetsasonic’s “The Hip Hop Band”
Style’s “Set the Mood”
YBT’s “Proud to Be Black”

* “Let the Music Take Your Mind”
Beastie Boys’s “Lay it on Me”
Boss’s “Process of Elimination”
Ice Cube’s “AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted”
Ice T’s “Freedom of Speech”
Jungle Brothers’s “What's Going On?”
Ultramagnetic MCs’s “MC Champion”

* “Breeze & Soul”
Dr. Octagon’s “Bear Witness”
Jimmy Jay’s “Les Cool Session”

single: (De-Lite 1970)

* “Pneumonia”
45 King’s “Raw Dope Rhymes”
Ice Cube’s “You Can't Fade Me”
Logik MC’s “Personal Vendetta”
Tiger’s “Who Planned It”

Live at the Sex Machine: (De-Lite 1971)

* “Who's Gonna Take the Weight?”
A Tribe Called Quest’s “Oh My ? ”
Caveman’s “You Can't Take It”
CEO’s “Hit Me with the Beat”
Cypress Hill’s “When the ? Goes Down”
Diamond D’s “Best Kept Secret”
Diamond D’s “What You Seek”
DJ Eclipse’s “Dedication”
Gang Starr’s “Who's Gonna Take the Weight?”
Heavy D’s “Letter to the Future”
Jaz’s “A Nation Divided”
Public Enemy’s “Louder than a Bomb”
Stetsasonic’s “In Full Gear”

* “Funky Man”
EPMD’s “Underground”
Fat Joe’s “Watch Out”
Prodigy’s “Smack my ? Up”
Public Enemy’s “Night of the Living Baseheads”
Zhigge’s “Harlem”

* “What Would the World Be like Without Music”
Jungle Brothers’s “What's Going On?”

single: (De-Lite 1971)
* “12345678” (b side to "Funky Man")
Ultramagnetic MCs’s “Message from the Boss”

Music is the Message: (De-Lite 1971)

* “Music is the Message”
Grandmaster Caz’s “Get Down Grandmaster”
Queen Latifah’s “A King & Queen Creation”
Ultramagnetic MCs’s “Chorus Line Pt 2”

* “Love the Life You Live”
Freestyle Fellowship’s “Way Cool”
Geto Boys’s “Trigga Happy ? ”
Jaz’s “A Nation Divided”
Yo-Yo’s “Make Way for the Motherlode”

* “Soul Vibrations”
A Tribe Called Quest’s “Scenario”
Biz Markie’s “Things Get a Little Easier”
Donald D’s “Notorious”
LL Cool J’s “Cheesy Rat”

* “Electric Frog Pt 1”
A Tribe Called Quest’s “Mr. Muhammad”

* “Blowin' in the Wind”
Casual’s “I Didn't Mean To”

* “Funky Granny”
Das EFX’s “Baknaffek”

The Best of Kool & the Gang featuring the Penguin: (De-Lite 1971)

* “Kool it (Here Come the Fuzz)”
Brand Nubian’s “Slow Down”
Janet Jackson’s “New Agenda”
Kool G Rap’s “Bad to the Bone”

Live at P.J.'s: (De-Lite 1972)

* “N.T.” (Drums)
3rd Bass’s “The Gladiator”
A Tribe Called Quest’s “Mind Power”
Andreas 13’s “The Blues”
Antoinette’s “Unfinished Business”
Big Daddy Kane’s “On the Move”
Black Moon’s “Freestyle”
Blueboy’s “Remember Me”
Boo-Yaa T.R.I.B.E.’s “Six Bad Brothas”
Boogie Down Productions’s “Still No. 1”
Brand Nubian’s “Slow Down”
BWP’s “Cotex”
Chill Rob G’s “Let Me Show You”
Chill Rob G’s “Let Me Show You”
Chubb Rock’s “Which Way is Up?”
Compton's Most Wanted’s “Compton 4 Life”
Compton's Most Wanted’s “Growin' up in the 'Hood”
Da Lench Mob’s “Ankle Blues”
De la Soul’s “Keepin' the Faith”
Diamond D’s “Best Kept Secret”
DJ Mark the 45 King’s “Simply Dope”
DJ Quik’s “America'z Most Complete Artist”
Double ? Posse’s “Headcracker”
EPMD’s “Brothers from Brentwood LI”
Eric B and Rakim’s “Move the Crowd”
Geto Boys’s “Cereal Killer”
Geto Boys’s “Damn it Feels Good to Be a Gangster”
Gospel Gangstas’s “Vengeance is Mine”
H.E.A.L.’s “Heal Yourself”
Hakeem’s “Hip Hop Reborn”
Jazzy Grooves’s “Huh”
Jungle Brothers’s “Book of Rhyme Pages”
Jungle Brothers’s “What's Going On?”
K-Solo’s “Letterman”
Kool G Rap’s “Truly Yours”
Kris Kross’s “Jump”
Kwame’s “U Gotz 2 Get Down!”
Lord Finesse’s “Praise the Lord”
Lords of the Underground’s “What's Goin On?”
Main Source’s “Fakin' the Funk”
Main Source’s “Scratch & Kut”
Mark Morrison’s “Return of the Mack”
Masta Ace’s “As I Reminisce”
MC Serch’s “Don't Have to Be”
MC Solaar’s “Armand est Mort”
Mekon’s “Minnie's Broken Arm”
Mellow Man Ace’s “Talkapella”
Nas’s “It Ain't Hard to Tell”
NWA’s “Gangsta, Gangsta”
NWA’s “? 4 Life”
Papa Chuk’s “Flip the ? ”
Penthouse Players Clique’s “Explanation of a Playa”
Pete Rock’s “Truly Yours '98”
Pete Rock & CL Smooth’s “Mecca and the Soul Brother”
Pete Rock & CL Smooth’s “Pete's Sake”
Professor Griff’s “Pawns in the Game”
Public Enemy’s “B Side Wins Again”
Q-Tip’s “Breathe and Stop”
Run-DMC’s “Back from Hell”
Shabba Ranks ft KRS-One’s “The Jam”
Shazzy’s “Giggahoe”
Steady B’s “Going Steady”
Stetsasonic’s “Blood, Sweat and No Tears”
Stetsasonic’s “So Let the Fun Begin”
Stonefunkers’s “Suckers 4 Your Love”
Stop the Violence Movement’s “Self-Destruction”
Terminator X’s “Can't Take My Style”
The Cure’s “Close to Me”
Trends of Culture’s “Mad Flavor Mad Style”
Ultramagnetic MCs’s “Moe Love on the One & Two”
UMC’s “Swing into the Area”
Warren G’s “Runnin' wit' No Breaks”
Woodshed’s “Radio woodshed”
Yo-Yo’s “Woman to Woman”
YZ’s “Return of the Holy One”

Good Times: (De-Lite 1972)

* “Good Times”
Cypress Hill’s “Feel the Effects”
Cypress Hill’s “Light Another”
EPC’s “Good Times”
Ice Cube’s “The Product”
Queen Latifah’s “Ladies First”

* “Rated X”
Ice Cube’s “The Product”
Ice Cube’s “Turn Off the Radio”
K-Solo’s “Spellbound”
Kool Moe Dee’s “Rise 'N' Shine”
Queen Latifah’s “Queen of Royal Badness”
Ultramagnetic MCs’s “Message from the Boss”

* “North East South West”
Hard 2 Obtain’s “A Lil Sumthing”
Network Reps ft Tru Persona, Shawn J. Period, and DJ Spinna’s “Simplistic”
Quasimoto’s “Return of the Loop Digga”

* “Father, Father”
Sadat X, Fat Joe & Diamond D’s “(Stay Away From The) Nasty Hoes”

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  • 5 Grand
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    Wild and Peaceful: (De-Lite 1973)

    * “More Funky Stuff”
    Kwame’s “The Mic is Mine”
    Original Concept’s “Gotta Notta Funky Break 4 U/Hit It!”

    * “Funky Stuff”
    Beastie Boys’s “Hold it Now, Hit It”
    Gang Starr’s “DJ Premier in Deep Concentration”
    K-9 Posse’s “No Stoppin or. . .”
    MC Shan’s “Words of a Freestyle”
    Monie Love’s “Clap Ya Hands. . .”
    NWA’s “Appetite for Destruction”
    Stezo’s “Jimmy's Gettin' Funky”
    Terminator X’s “Ain't Got Nuttin'”

    * “Jungle Boogie”
    Beastie Boys’s “Hey Ladies”
    Big Daddy Kane’s “Get Down”
    Blackstreet’s “No Diggity”
    BWP’s “Wanted”
    Coldcut’s “Say Kids, What Time is It?”
    Compton's Most Wanted’s “Compton Cyco”
    Cru’s “Pronto”
    Daddy-O’s “Come for Mine”
    Das EFX’s “Straight from da Sewer”
    DMX’s “Do You”
    Emergency Broadcast Network’s “Get Down Version 2 point 2”
    EPMD’s “Can't Hear Nothing but the Music”
    EPMD’s “Richter Scale”
    EPMD’s “Strictly Business”
    EPMD’s “You Gots to Chill”
    EPMD’s “You Gots to Chill '97”
    EPMD’s “You're a Customer”
    Grandmaster Caz’s “Get Down Grandmaster”
    Ice Cube’s “The Product”
    Ice T’s “Make the Loot Loop”
    Ice T’s “Rap Game Hijacked”
    Ice T’s “Ricochet”
    Ill Al Skratch’s “Get Down”
    Insane Poetry’s “Grim Reality”
    Insane Poetry’s “How Ya Gonna Reason with a ? ?”
    Janet Jackson’s “You Want This”
    Jeru’s “Thoughts of a Frustrated ? ”
    KAM’s “Neva Again”
    Luniz’s “I Got 5 on It”
    Madonna’s “Erotica”
    MC Lyte’s “I am the Lyte”
    Mistress & DJ Madame E’s “Show 'em How We Play”
    Private Investigators’s “Mash up the Mic”
    Public Enemy’s “Welcome to the Terrordome”
    Puff Daddy ft R Kelly’s “Satisfy You”
    Redman’s “Jam 4 U”
    Redman’s “So Ruff”
    Rodney O & Joe Cooley’s “Get Down with the Lyrical Strangla”
    Shadz of Lingo’s “Mad Flavaz”
    ShowBiz & A.G.’s “Next Level”
    Sons of Bazerk’s “Get Down Get Down”
    Stezo’s “Freak the Funk”
    Threat’s “Let the Dogs Loose”
    Ultramagnetic MCs’s “We're Ultra III”
    Whitehead Brothers’s “Forgot I Was a G”
    Yomo & Maulkie’s “Soul Psychedelic Side”

    * “Heaven at Once”
    Fugees’s “Nappy Heads”

    * “Hollywood Swinging”
    7A3’s “Coolin' in Cali”
    BG Knocc Out & Dresta’s “Compton Swingin'”
    DJ Kool’s “Let Me Clear My Throat”
    DJ Shadow’s “Basic Mega-Mix”
    Ma$e’s “Feel So Good”
    Mack 10’s “Inglewood Swinging”
    ODB’s “Harlem World”
    Prince Markie Dee’s “Bounce”
    Professor Griff’s “1-900 Sterotype”
    Redhead Kingpin’s “Got 2 Go”
    Stezo’s “Bring the Horns”
    Terminator X’s “The Blues”
    Too $hort’s “Money in the Ghetto”

    * “Life is What You Make It”
    Cypress Hill’s “The Phuncky Feel One”
    Stezo’s “Bring the Horns”
    Style’s “What a Brother Know”

    * “Wild and Peaceful”
    Little Brother’s “Fabulous”

    Light of Worlds: (De-lite 1974)
    * “You Don't Have to Change”
    Masta Ace’s “Can't Find Me”

    * “Summer Madness”
    Aaliyah’s “A Girl Like You”
    Ant Banks’s “Big Thangs”
    Bush Babees’s “The Love Song”
    Coolio’s “Mama I'm in Love wit a Gangsta”
    Digable Planets’s “Jimmi Diggin Cats”
    DJ Jazzy Jeff & the Fresh Prince’s “Summertime”
    Donell Jones’s “All about You”
    Erykah Badu’s “Certainly”
    Gang Starr’s “DJ Premier in Deep Concentration”
    Heather B’s “What Goes On”
    Ice Cube’s “You Know How We Do It”
    Lootpack’s “Hityawitdat”
    Lost Boys’s “Intro”
    Mad Skillz’s “Get Your Groove On”
    Miles Davis’s “Doo Bop Song”
    Montell Jordan’s “Somethin' 4 Da Honeyz”
    Pete Rock & CL Smooth’s “What's Next on the Menu?”
    Powerule’s “5 Minutes 2 Showtime”
    Rodney O & Joe Cooley’s “Give Me the Mic”
    Ten Tray’s “World is a Ghetto”

    Kool and the Gang Jazz: (De-Lite 1974)
    * “Duji”
    Chi-Ali’s “Funky Lemonade”
    Gang Starr’s “Jazz Thing”
    Pete Rock & CL Smooth’s “It's on You”

    Spirit of the Boogie: (De-Lite 1975)

    * “Spirit of the Boogie”
    Afros’s “Feel It”
    Doug E Fresh’s “Spirit”
    KAM’s “Peace Treaty”
    Notorious BIG’s “Friend of Mine”

    * “Jungle Jazz”
    2 Live Crew’s “Hangin Out”
    3rd Bass’s “Brooklyn-Queens”
    Biz Markie’s “I'm the Biz Markie”
    Boo-Yaa T.R.I.B.E.’s “Rated R”
    Brand Nubian’s “Drop the Bomb”
    Gus Gus’s “Believe”
    Hi-C’s “Leave My Curl Alone”
    Incognito’s “Roots (Back to a Way of Life)”
    Jade’s “Don't Walk Away”
    MARRS’s “Pump up the Volume”
    Public Enemy’s “Anti-? Machine”
    Stetsasonic’s “So Let the Fun Begin”

    * “Mother Earth”
    3rd Bass’s “Steppin' to the A.M.”

    * “Cosmic Energy”
    Big Daddy Kane’s “Nuff Respect”

    * “Winter Sadness”
    Finsta Bundy’s “Don't Stress Tomorrow”
    Tupac’s “Picture Me Rollin'”

    Love and Understanding: (De-lite 1975)
    * “Summer Madness” (Live)
    Domino’s “Do You Qualify?”

    Open Sesame: (De-lite 1976)

    * “Little Children”
    AZ’s “? Happy Jackie”
    Quasimoto’s “MHB's”

    * “Open Sesame”
    Cash Money & Marvelous’s “Time is Up”
    Positively Black’s “Wilderness of Sin”

    Ladies Night: (De-Lite 1979)
    * “Ladies Night”
    Lil' Kim ft Da Brat, Left Eye, Missy Elliot & Angie Martinez’s “Not Tonight”

    * “Too Hot”
    Coolio’s “Too Hot”
    Miilkbone’s “Where's the Party At?”
    Paid On Live ft Lauryn Hill’s “All My Time”

    Something Special: (De-Lite 1981)

    * “Get Down on It”
    Jermaine Dupri ft Da Brat’s “We Just Wanna Party With You”
    Jermaine Dupri ft Snoop Dogg’s “We Just Wanna Party With You”
    Kid 'N Play’s “Ain't Gonna Hurt Nobody”
    Sh' Killa’s “Go Down On It”

    Emergency: (De-Lite 1984)
    * “Cherish”
    Pappa Bear ft Jan van der Toorn’s “Cherish”
  • bck145
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    Hahaha you salty dude, still talking about kook and the gang, your post are straight comedy
  • smp4life
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    I heard Kool and the Gang have a few lawyers whose only job is going after rappers that sampled without clearance.
  • Maximus Rex
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    Bruh. I don't know how many groups that Kool & the Gang inspired, but I can tell you must definitely that the Beatles have been the inspiration for damn near every musical act after them, especially in the 70's and 80's. Also, the Beatles have inspired acts across musical genres.

    Kool & the Gang is cool, but r&B groups didn't want to be Kool in the Gang. R&B groups either wanted to be Parliament, The Temptations, or MJ. Everybody wanted to be the ? Beatles, (and this included groups in different musical genres.

    The Beatles changed the course of music, the way music was made, how musicians thought about music, and what musicians thought was possible about music. Can you say the same about Kool & the Gang? Kool & the Gang weren't even the most influential band during their prime, while The Beatles were the most influential band during and after their run prime. Paul McCarthy is still dropping albums with contemporary artist of today. J.T. last album was released 15 years ago. Hell, even Ringo dropped an album in April that debuted on the Billboard 200 at 99.

    Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr are both septuagenarians that can sell out stadiums by doing songs made a half a century ago. If you say, John, Paul, George, and Ringo, most people know who the ? you're talking about. Most people have a varied taste in music can name at least ten Beatles songs. Hell, I grew up on Kool & the Gang, and I can only name in and around 5.

    The Beatles had, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, With a Little Help from My Friends, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, With or Without You, A Day in the Life and When I'm Sixty-Four all on the same damn album. Kool & Gang basically stayed in their musical lane.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbY_oFHqdgs
    
    Helter Skelter-The Beatles, this song started entire genre of music, can Kool & the Gang make that claim? The Beatles also inspired

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    Dude, don't think that I'm shittin' on Kool & the Gang because I'm not. They were a great band, but say they were better than the Beatles? Really bruh? There's only a handful of musical acts that can be mentioned in the same breathe as the Beatles, and those are the Stones, Jimi Hendrix, Zepplin, MJ, Elton John, Billy Joel, James Brown, and possibly Metallica.

    There's nothing in the realm of popular music that's comparable to the Beatles and the impact and influence that had and continue to have. When you're talking about the greatest bands, there's the Beatles, then everybody else. The Beatles can literally release an album next week full of throw away songs and that ? will debut on the Billboard 200 at #1. You can say a lot of things are overrated, but the Beatles isn't one of them.


  • bck145
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    Inb4 the pure comedy response that's soon yo follow
  • 5 Grand
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    While I agree that The Beatles are hailed as the GOAT group of all time by some White people, their music doesn't fly in the Black community. Before you accuse me of "being racist". I'll come out and say it; I've observed differences in the way that Blacks and Whites judge music. Music that doesn't get any play in the Black community is considered exceptional by Whites (i.e. Heavy Metal). You could go to a White wedding and if there's a band or DJ you'd be likely to hear something by The Beatles. You'd never hear anything by the Beatles at a Black wedding. Never.

    Nightclubs or bars that cater to the Black community aren't going to play anything by The Beatles. Plain and simply, the Beatles and their music isn't held in high regard by the Black community. We consider it White people music. Their music doesn't have any flavor or soul and would clear a dance floor in 10 seconds flat in any club or party thats predominately African American.

    In contrast, there are artists and groups that are held in high regard by the Black community, groups that have classic songs and albums that might not get as much critical acclaim from White music critics and/or editors but you could play them at an all Black party/nightclub and the dance floor will be packed (e.g. Before I Let Go by Frankie Beverly & Maze). This is a fact. Kool & The Gang is one of those groups. You can play Jungle Boogie, Hollywood Swingin, Ladies Night or Celebration at a cookout or a wedding and the dance floor will be packed. There's not one song in the Beatles entire catalog that you could play at an all Black cookout, party, nightclub or wedding that would produce similar results. And that's a scientific fact.

    Its really a matter of "culture vultures". White people, as a whole perpetuate the doctrine and/or concept that they produce music that is equal to or better than Black music when deep down we all know that isn't true. At best they imitate Black music.

    While I agree that the media has shoved the Beatles down our throats in a feeble attempt to convince the masses that they're the all time greatest band of all time, all one has to do is simply forget what you've been told and listen to the music. Just listen.

    You say that The Beatles had a tremendous impact and influence, but just consider how many people have sampled Kool & The Gang. Look at the list of songs I posted in the O/P. Seriously, thats just about every group/rapper you can think of from every region.

    Anyway, I remember when Kool & The Gang was hot in the 80s. They had a string of hits when I was a kid. But I didn't know that they had been around since the 60s. When I started making beats I started collecting funk and soul albums from the 70s to sample and I slowly started collecting their albums. I finally completed my Kool & The Gang record collection about last year when I copped their first album. Its self titled and came out in 1969.

    This is their discography;

    1. Kool & The Gang (1969)
    2. The Best of Kool & the Gang (1971)
    3. Live at the Sex Machine (1971)
    4. Live at P.J.s (1971)

    5. Music Is The Message (1972)
    6. Good Times (1972)
    7. Wild & Peaceful (1973)

    8. Kool Jazz (1973)
    9. Light of The Worlds (1974)
    10. Spirit of The Boogie (1975)
    11. Greatest Hits (1975)

    ^^^ That's their funkier stuff. All of those albums are funky as hell and contain samples from songs that you've probably heard before. The better ones are in bold imo. I'd say the three best are Live at The Sex Machine and Live at P.J.s, and the Greatest Hits album.

    Then they switched to more of a dance/disco/top 40 style. They started to cross over and appeal to the top 40 crowd.

    12. Love & Understanding (1976)
    13. Open Sesame (1976)
    14. The Force (1977)
    15. Everybody's Dancin (1978)
    16. Ladies Night (1979)
    17. Celebrate (1980)
    18. Something Special (1981)
    19. As One (1982)
    20. In The Heart (1983)
    21. Emergency (1984)
    22. Forever (1986)

    From Wikipedia

    The band first hit the US Billboard R&B chart with the release of their debut eponymous album. Several live and studio albums followed, with 1973's Wild and Peaceful breaking into the mainstream with "Funky Stuff", "Jungle Boogie" and "Hollywood Swinging"."Jungle Boogie" and "Hollywood Swinging" both sold over one million copies, and each was awarded a gold disc by the RIAA. Many reviews see the Gang's 1974 album Light of Worlds and 1975 album Spirit of the Boogie as the greatest achievements of the band, with the 1975 single "Summer Madness" gaining much attention.

    The late 1970s saw a lull in Kool & the Gang's output except for the album Open Sesame, which yielded the title track "Open Sesame", achieving some success as part of the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack and winning a Grammy Award. New lead singer James "J.T." Taylor then joined the group, starting with 1979's Ladies' Night. Their number one hit in 1980s "Celebration" was from Celebrate!, co-produced by Eumir Deodato. More international hits followed in the early 1980s, including "Big Fun", "Get Down on It", and "Joanna". Their 1984 album Emergency yielded four top-20 pop hits, including "Fresh" and "Cherish". Their chart presence stopped after Forever.


    When its all said and done, they certainly have a thorough discography. The comparison to The Beatles might seem ill-matched and/or uneven to those that haven't listened to their albums. But I refer any and all naysayers to listen to Live at The Sex Machine (1971), Live at P.J.s (1971) and Greatest Hits (1975). That's their 3 best albums imo.

    In conclusion, you've been brainwashed. There's a conspiracy within the media to propagate the idea that White bands such as The Beatles make superior music. The media is powerful. They can convince you to believe things that aren't true.

    Last but not least, I'll leave you with this;

    Summer Madness - Kool & The Gang

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SFt7JHwJeg
  • bck145
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    I knew the comedy was coming...I just knew it
  • Intelligent_Hoodlum
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    Mane yall gtfoh with that Beatles ? , if yall think they the best thats cool
    but we talkin bout a group here who been sampled hundreds of time in Hip Hop
    Who made funk & Soul music which would go on to influence Hip Hop
    Mufuckas in the 70's wasnt spinning breaks from Beatles Records
    It was tracks by James Brown, Curtis Mayfield, Issac Hayes, Earth, Wind & Fire, Kool & The Gang etc
    That was being played at those parties and later being sampled to create RAP music
    Now in the world of Pop & Rock music the Beatles far more influentual but i aint apart of that culture

  • Intelligent_Hoodlum
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    Show me a Beatles song with instrumentation like this
  • CP203
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    Show me a Beatles song with instrumentation like this

    Oh ? I just realized that's the sample from Freddie Gibbs the diet
  • CP203
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    5 Grand wrote: »
    While I agree that The Beatles are hailed as the GOAT group of all time by some White people, their music doesn't fly in the Black community. Before you accuse me of "being racist". I'll come out and say it; I've observed differences in the way that Blacks and Whites judge music. Music that doesn't get any play in the Black community is considered exceptional by Whites (i.e. Heavy Metal). You could go to a White wedding and if there's a band or DJ you'd be likely to hear something by The Beatles. You'd never hear anything by the Beatles at a Black wedding. Never.

    Nightclubs or bars that cater to the Black community aren't going to play anything by The Beatles. Plain and simply, the Beatles and their music isn't held in high regard by the Black community. We consider it White people music. Their music doesn't have any flavor or soul and would clear a dance floor in 10 seconds flat in any club or party thats predominately African American.

    In contrast, there are artists and groups that are held in high regard by the Black community, groups that have classic songs and albums that might not get as much critical acclaim from White music critics and/or editors but you could play them at an all Black party/nightclub and the dance floor will be packed (e.g. Before I Let Go by Frankie Beverly & Maze). This is a fact. Kool & The Gang is one of those groups. You can play Jungle Boogie, Hollywood Swingin, Ladies Night or Celebration at a cookout or a wedding and the dance floor will be packed. There's not one song in the Beatles entire catalog that you could play at an all Black cookout, party, nightclub or wedding that would produce similar results. And that's a scientific fact.

    Its really a matter of "culture vultures". White people, as a whole perpetuate the doctrine and/or concept that they produce music that is equal to or better than Black music when deep down we all know that isn't true. At best they imitate Black music.

    While I agree that the media has shoved the Beatles down our throats in a feeble attempt to convince the masses that they're the all time greatest band of all time, all one has to do is simply forget what you've been told and listen to the music. Just listen.

    You say that The Beatles had a tremendous impact and influence, but just consider how many people have sampled Kool & The Gang. Look at the list of songs I posted in the O/P. Seriously, thats just about every group/rapper you can think of from every region.

    Anyway, I remember when Kool & The Gang was hot in the 80s. They had a string of hits when I was a kid. But I didn't know that they had been around since the 60s. When I started making beats I started collecting funk and soul albums from the 70s to sample and I slowly started collecting their albums. I finally completed my Kool & The Gang record collection about last year when I copped their first album. Its self titled and came out in 1969.

    This is their discography;

    1. Kool & The Gang (1969)
    2. The Best of Kool & the Gang (1971)
    3. Live at the Sex Machine (1971)
    4. Live at P.J.s (1971)

    5. Music Is The Message (1972)
    6. Good Times (1972)
    7. Wild & Peaceful (1973)

    8. Kool Jazz (1973)
    9. Light of The Worlds (1974)
    10. Spirit of The Boogie (1975)
    11. Greatest Hits (1975)

    ^^^ That's their funkier stuff. All of those albums are funky as hell and contain samples from songs that you've probably heard before. The better ones are in bold imo. I'd say the three best are Live at The Sex Machine and Live at P.J.s, and the Greatest Hits album.

    Then they switched to more of a dance/disco/top 40 style. They started to cross over and appeal to the top 40 crowd.

    12. Love & Understanding (1976)
    13. Open Sesame (1976)
    14. The Force (1977)
    15. Everybody's Dancin (1978)
    16. Ladies Night (1979)
    17. Celebrate (1980)
    18. Something Special (1981)
    19. As One (1982)
    20. In The Heart (1983)
    21. Emergency (1984)
    22. Forever (1986)

    From Wikipedia

    The band first hit the US Billboard R&B chart with the release of their debut eponymous album. Several live and studio albums followed, with 1973's Wild and Peaceful breaking into the mainstream with "Funky Stuff", "Jungle Boogie" and "Hollywood Swinging"."Jungle Boogie" and "Hollywood Swinging" both sold over one million copies, and each was awarded a gold disc by the RIAA. Many reviews see the Gang's 1974 album Light of Worlds and 1975 album Spirit of the Boogie as the greatest achievements of the band, with the 1975 single "Summer Madness" gaining much attention.

    The late 1970s saw a lull in Kool & the Gang's output except for the album Open Sesame, which yielded the title track "Open Sesame", achieving some success as part of the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack and winning a Grammy Award. New lead singer James "J.T." Taylor then joined the group, starting with 1979's Ladies' Night. Their number one hit in 1980s "Celebration" was from Celebrate!, co-produced by Eumir Deodato. More international hits followed in the early 1980s, including "Big Fun", "Get Down on It", and "Joanna". Their 1984 album Emergency yielded four top-20 pop hits, including "Fresh" and "Cherish". Their chart presence stopped after Forever.


    When its all said and done, they certainly have a thorough discography. The comparison to The Beatles might seem ill-matched and/or uneven to those that haven't listened to their albums. But I refer any and all naysayers to listen to Live at The Sex Machine (1971), Live at P.J.s (1971) and Greatest Hits (1975). That's their 3 best albums imo.

    In conclusion, you've been brainwashed. There's a conspiracy within the media to propagate the idea that White bands such as The Beatles make superior music. The media is powerful. They can convince you to believe things that aren't true.

    Last but not least, I'll leave you with this;

    Summer Madness - Kool & The Gang

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SFt7JHwJeg

    I'm going to say that's false, first time I heard the beatles was at a black club 30 and older joint when I went with my boy and his aunt, they played come together and old ? were jamming to it telling me I need to get up on the Beatles
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    Show me a Beatles song with instrumentation like this

    I hear tupac picture me rollin in this, GOAT
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    @5 grand did you know criminal minded sample hey Jude by the Beatles
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    Bruh. I don't know how many groups that Kool & the Gang inspired, but I can tell you must definitely that the Beatles have been the inspiration for damn near every musical act after them, especially in the 70's and 80's. Also, the Beatles have inspired acts across musical genres.

    Kool & the Gang is cool, but r&B groups didn't want to be Kool in the Gang. R&B groups either wanted to be Parliament, The Temptations, or MJ. Everybody wanted to be the ? Beatles, (and this included groups in different musical genres.

    The Beatles changed the course of music, the way music was made, how musicians thought about music, and what musicians thought was possible about music. Can you say the same about Kool & the Gang? Kool & the Gang weren't even the most influential band during their prime, while The Beatles were the most influential band during and after their run prime. Paul McCarthy is still dropping albums with contemporary artist of today. J.T. last album was released 15 years ago. Hell, even Ringo dropped an album in April that debuted on the Billboard 200 at 99.

    Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr are both septuagenarians that can sell out stadiums by doing songs made a half a century ago. If you say, John, Paul, George, and Ringo, most people know who the ? you're talking about. Most people have a varied taste in music can name at least ten Beatles songs. Hell, I grew up on Kool & the Gang, and I can only name in and around 5.

    The Beatles had, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, With a Little Help from My Friends, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, With or Without You, A Day in the Life and When I'm Sixty-Four all on the same damn album. Kool & Gang basically stayed in their musical lane.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbY_oFHqdgs
    
    Helter Skelter-The Beatles, this song started entire genre of music, can Kool & the Gang make that claim? The Beatles also inspired

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    Dude, don't think that I'm shittin' on Kool & the Gang because I'm not. They were a great band, but say they were better than the Beatles? Really bruh? There's only a handful of musical acts that can be mentioned in the same breathe as the Beatles, and those are the Stones, Jimi Hendrix, Zepplin, MJ, Elton John, Billy Joel, James Brown, and possibly Metallica.

    There's nothing in the realm of popular music that's comparable to the Beatles and the impact and influence that had and continue to have. When you're talking about the greatest bands, there's the Beatles, then everybody else. The Beatles can literally release an album next week full of throw away songs and that ? will debut on the Billboard 200 at #1. You can say a lot of things are overrated, but the Beatles isn't one of them.


    Liar. Shut yo ass up.

    The Beatles? GTFOH.

    They were a pop act adorned by WHITES. No more, no less.


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    rap songs have sampled the beatles as well....but that doesn't make the original music better...that's an absurd argument

    whats going on here is your basically comparing tony yayo (kool and the gang) to nas (the beatles)...this is asinine
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    bck145 wrote: »
    rap songs have sampled the beatles as well....but that doesn't make the original music better...that's an absurd argument

    whats going on here is your basically comparing tony yayo (kool and the gang) to nas (the beatles)...this is asinine

    You're asinine.

    Name some songs that sampled the Beatles.

    I'll wait.
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    5 Grand wrote: »
    bck145 wrote: »
    rap songs have sampled the beatles as well....but that doesn't make the original music better...that's an absurd argument

    whats going on here is your basically comparing tony yayo (kool and the gang) to nas (the beatles)...this is asinine

    You're asinine.

    Name some songs that sampled the Beatles.

    I'll wait.

    Criminal minded and who stole the soul
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    5 Grand wrote: »
    bck145 wrote: »
    rap songs have sampled the beatles as well....but that doesn't make the original music better...that's an absurd argument

    whats going on here is your basically comparing tony yayo (kool and the gang) to nas (the beatles)...this is asinine

    You're asinine.

    Name some songs that sampled the Beatles.

    I'll wait.

    lil wayne-help
    nas and pitbull-imagine
    slick rick and doug e fresh- the show
    wyclef ft r Kelly- gone til November remix
    talib kweli-lonely people
    the roots- thought @ work
    beastie boys- the sounds of science
    wu tang-the heart gently weeps
    2 live crew- fraternity record
    public enemy-who stole the soul
    a tribe called quest-push it along
    poison clan-jeri curl
    fat boys-baby, youre a rich man
    doc brown-in my life
    the game-dope boyz
    b.o.b-lonely people
    j dilla-sleeping like a dog
    mf doom-tick tick
    mac miller-lous
    mac miller-desperado
    nappy roots-paint a picture
    ras kass-kiss u
    3rd bass-3strikes 5000
    dj jazzy jeff biz markie-$ cant buy me love
    naughty by nature-thanx for sleepwalking
    beastie boys-I'm down
    public enemy-? of green
    naughty by nature-everythings gonne be alright
    salt and pepa-twist and shout
    westide connection-3time felons
    Saigon-ny streez
    public enemy-live and undrugged pt 1 and 2




    now stop the nonsense of comparing yayo to nas, you sound and look uneducated in music when you do this

    your argument to say which band is better by who was sampled by hip hop more might be the weakest argument you've come up with yet
  • 5 Grand
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    CP203 wrote: »
    5 Grand wrote: »
    bck145 wrote: »
    rap songs have sampled the beatles as well....but that doesn't make the original music better...that's an absurd argument

    whats going on here is your basically comparing tony yayo (kool and the gang) to nas (the beatles)...this is asinine

    You're asinine.

    Name some songs that sampled the Beatles.

    I'll wait.

    Criminal minded and who stole the soul

    And how many people sampled Kool & the Gang?
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    5 Grand wrote: »
    CP203 wrote: »
    5 Grand wrote: »
    bck145 wrote: »
    rap songs have sampled the beatles as well....but that doesn't make the original music better...that's an absurd argument

    whats going on here is your basically comparing tony yayo (kool and the gang) to nas (the beatles)...this is asinine

    You're asinine.

    Name some songs that sampled the Beatles.

    I'll wait.

    Criminal minded and who stole the soul

    And how many people sampled Kool & the Gang?

    Bro just stop I just gave you two that you're familiar with.the info is out there plenty of rappers have sampled the Beatles, I just gave those two because you're always giving krs and pe props and they have sampled the Beatles on multiple occasions
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    5 Grand wrote: »
    While I agree that The Beatles are hailed as the GOAT group of all time by some White people, their music doesn't fly in the Black community. Before you accuse me of "being racist". I'll come out and say it; I've observed differences in the way that Blacks and Whites judge music. Music that doesn't get any play in the Black community is considered exceptional by Whites (i.e. Heavy Metal). You could go to a White wedding and if there's a band or DJ you'd be likely to hear something by The Beatles. You'd never hear anything by the Beatles at a Black wedding. Never.

    Nightclubs or bars that cater to the Black community aren't going to play anything by The Beatles. Plain and simply, the Beatles and their music isn't held in high regard by the Black community. We consider it White people music. Their music doesn't have any flavor or soul and would clear a dance floor in 10 seconds flat in any club or party thats predominately African American.

    In contrast, there are artists and groups that are held in high regard by the Black community, groups that have classic songs and albums that might not get as much critical acclaim from White music critics and/or editors but you could play them at an all Black party/nightclub and the dance floor will be packed (e.g. Before I Let Go by Frankie Beverly & Maze). This is a fact. Kool & The Gang is one of those groups. You can play Jungle Boogie, Hollywood Swingin, Ladies Night or Celebration at a cookout or a wedding and the dance floor will be packed. There's not one song in the Beatles entire catalog that you could play at an all Black cookout, party, nightclub or wedding that would produce similar results. And that's a scientific fact.

    Its really a matter of "culture vultures". White people, as a whole perpetuate the doctrine and/or concept that they produce music that is equal to or better than Black music when deep down we all know that isn't true. At best they imitate Black music.

    While I agree that the media has shoved the Beatles down our throats in a feeble attempt to convince the masses that they're the all time greatest band of all time, all one has to do is simply forget what you've been told and listen to the music. Just listen.

    You say that The Beatles had a tremendous impact and influence, but just consider how many people have sampled Kool & The Gang. Look at the list of songs I posted in the O/P. Seriously, thats just about every group/rapper you can think of from every region.

    Anyway, I remember when Kool & The Gang was hot in the 80s. They had a string of hits when I was a kid. But I didn't know that they had been around since the 60s. When I started making beats I started collecting funk and soul albums from the 70s to sample and I slowly started collecting their albums. I finally completed my Kool & The Gang record collection about last year when I copped their first album. Its self titled and came out in 1969.

    This is their discography;

    1. Kool & The Gang (1969)
    2. The Best of Kool & the Gang (1971)
    3. Live at the Sex Machine (1971)
    4. Live at P.J.s (1971)

    5. Music Is The Message (1972)
    6. Good Times (1972)
    7. Wild & Peaceful (1973)

    8. Kool Jazz (1973)
    9. Light of The Worlds (1974)
    10. Spirit of The Boogie (1975)
    11. Greatest Hits (1975)

    ^^^ That's their funkier stuff. All of those albums are funky as hell and contain samples from songs that you've probably heard before. The better ones are in bold imo. I'd say the three best are Live at The Sex Machine and Live at P.J.s, and the Greatest Hits album.

    Then they switched to more of a dance/disco/top 40 style. They started to cross over and appeal to the top 40 crowd.

    12. Love & Understanding (1976)
    13. Open Sesame (1976)
    14. The Force (1977)
    15. Everybody's Dancin (1978)
    16. Ladies Night (1979)
    17. Celebrate (1980)
    18. Something Special (1981)
    19. As One (1982)
    20. In The Heart (1983)
    21. Emergency (1984)
    22. Forever (1986)

    From Wikipedia

    The band first hit the US Billboard R&B chart with the release of their debut eponymous album. Several live and studio albums followed, with 1973's Wild and Peaceful breaking into the mainstream with "Funky Stuff", "Jungle Boogie" and "Hollywood Swinging"."Jungle Boogie" and "Hollywood Swinging" both sold over one million copies, and each was awarded a gold disc by the RIAA. Many reviews see the Gang's 1974 album Light of Worlds and 1975 album Spirit of the Boogie as the greatest achievements of the band, with the 1975 single "Summer Madness" gaining much attention.

    The late 1970s saw a lull in Kool & the Gang's output except for the album Open Sesame, which yielded the title track "Open Sesame", achieving some success as part of the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack and winning a Grammy Award. New lead singer James "J.T." Taylor then joined the group, starting with 1979's Ladies' Night. Their number one hit in 1980s "Celebration" was from Celebrate!, co-produced by Eumir Deodato. More international hits followed in the early 1980s, including "Big Fun", "Get Down on It", and "Joanna". Their 1984 album Emergency yielded four top-20 pop hits, including "Fresh" and "Cherish". Their chart presence stopped after Forever.


    When its all said and done, they certainly have a thorough discography. The comparison to The Beatles might seem ill-matched and/or uneven to those that haven't listened to their albums. But I refer any and all naysayers to listen to Live at The Sex Machine (1971), Live at P.J.s (1971) and Greatest Hits (1975). That's their 3 best albums imo.

    In conclusion, you've been brainwashed. There's a conspiracy within the media to propagate the idea that White bands such as The Beatles make superior music. The media is powerful. They can convince you to believe things that aren't true.

    Last but not least, I'll leave you with this;

    Summer Madness - Kool & The Gang

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SFt7JHwJeg

    Slow down son you over schooling'em