Rio de Janeiro police officers arrested for killings of black and mixed-race youths...

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/01/rio-de-janeiro-military-police-killings-youths
Four military police officers fatally shot five youths on Sunday and allegedly tampered with crime scene in latest incident in city’s long list of police killings

Four military police officers in Rio de Janeiro have been taken into custody following allegations that they killed five black and mixed-race youths from a favela and then doctored the crime scene to make it appear like self-defence.

The latest incident in a horrifyingly long list of killings by Rio’s police – which is far higher than that of any US city – has prompted outrage among favela residents and civil rights activists.

The five victims from the Morro da Lagartixa community – all aged 16 to 25 years old – were reportedly out celebrating a first paycheck on Sunday when the police peppered their car with bullets.

Family members said police gave no opportunity to surrender.

“What happened there was an execution,” said Jorge Penha, the father of one of the victims. “Everything I planned in my life has collapsed. They need to pay for what they did.”

Márcia Ferreira told local reporters that her son Wilton Domingos Jr was still alive when she arrived at the scene, but police refused to take him to a nearby hospital emergency unit and then threatened her and her daughter with a rifle when they tried to approach.

Locals claimed police tried to make the killing look like self-defence by placing a gun inside the car.

The five childhood friends were buried on Monday. Protesters held a demonstration the same day. Some carried a Brazilian flag riddled with 50 bullet holes – the same number fired at the car – and the name of the victims: Wilton Domingos Jr , Roberto Penha, Carlos de Souza, Cleiton de Souza and Wesley Rodrigues.

Investigators charged three officers with homicide – Thiago Resende Barbosa, Marcio Alves dos Santos and Antonio Filho. A fourth – Fabio da Silva – has been detained for fabricating evidence.

Their commander, Lt Col Marcos Netto, was also dismissed. It was the second recent controversy surrounding his unit following the shooting last month of two men on a motorbike by a police sergeant who mistook their hydraulic jack for a rifle.

Rio security authorities said the punishments were the result of stricter discipline to try to stem the violence.

But the city – like Brazil as a whole – has one of the worst records in the world for killings of and by police. Between January 2011 and October 2015, 2,510 people were killed in “self-defence” actions by the city’s police – an average of 1.4 deaths per day, according to the newspaper Extra.

Overwhelmingly the victims tend to be young, black males from poor communities in the north of the city such as Irajá.

Silvia Ramos, a social scientist and Coordinator of the Centre for Studies on Public Security and Citizenship, welcomed the punishments and admission of failure by senior officers as an improvement on the empty excuses made by the authorities in the past. But he said the police needed to address more fundamental problems of inequality and the different mentality of officers in conflict areas.

Unlike the pacification programs in favelas in the richer south zone of the city, she said police in the poorer northern zone feel they are in a war zone.

“In these conditions, police think that opening fire on a car is valid. They would not do this in the rich areas of the city. It’s a police model that coincides with a certain side of Rio,” he said. “It’s impossible to consider this as an individual problem of four police officers; the entire model of policing is to blame.”

Antônio Carlos Costa, the head of the Rio de Paz NGO, agreed that the police should be understood as well as punished.

“What happened is that they saw a car full of black people who fall into a category of those who are ‘’killable’ in our society,” he said.

“The military police are not well prepared. They are not mature enough to deal with the situation in Rio, which is one of the most complex in the world. They lack supervision and are abandoned. They are victims and perpetrators at the same time.”

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  • 2stepz_ahead
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    let them real ? come out the favelas.... we gonna see how ? get down.
  • Figo
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    almost made this thread last night. Here is the clip. police abusing their power as usual.

    [url=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiTYQ7pNO9o"][/url]
  • Ajackson17
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    AggyAF wrote: »
    I made a similar thrrad last year and got flamed for it. Anyway. Police brutality is worse in Brazil thsn US

    It truly is over there.
  • kingofkingz
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    Cracs don't even like them. They should be welcoming us into there country
  • D0wn
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    Been knew about it...
  • ZuluQueen
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    LOL @ Mixed race... the media finally recognizing that black and mixed race are not synonymous in Brazil. Mixed race people have often been an oppressive force to Black Brazilians just as much as whites have and still are.
  • Copper
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    What's the obsession that whites have with killing black kids?
  • Cabana_Da_Don
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    Its sad its worldwide.I live in Rio.What happens is that they conduct an operation in the favelas and mistake normal people with criminals.They just shook because they are young cops and start shooting at anything that moves.But I must keep it real.Theres way too many criminals heavilly armed in my country.Aks,Ars,762,sniper rifles.Im worried Brazil might turn into a colombia.AND THE CRIMINALS OUT HERE ARE THE REAL DEAL.
  • bigbird_1
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    Copper wrote: »
    What's the obsession that whites have with killing black kids?

    Good question. Deep seeded hatred, rooted in fear and insecurity.
  • StillFaggyAF
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    Its sad its worldwide.I live in Rio.What happens is that they conduct an operation in the favelas and mistake normal people with criminals.They just shook because they are young cops and start shooting at anything that moves.But I must keep it real.Theres way too many criminals heavilly armed in my country.Aks,Ars,762,sniper rifles.Im worried Brazil might turn into a colombia.AND THE CRIMINALS OUT HERE ARE THE REAL DEAL.

    i thought Colombia was getting beetter
  • 5onblackhandside
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    Copper wrote: »
    What's the obsession that whites have with killing black kids?

    We come out a fetus with a bigger ? then grown ass crackas. Dey dont like dat
  • Cabana_Da_Don
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    AggyAF wrote: »
    Its sad its worldwide.I live in Rio.What happens is that they conduct an operation in the favelas and mistake normal people with criminals.They just shook because they are young cops and start shooting at anything that moves.But I must keep it real.Theres way too many criminals heavilly armed in my country.Aks,Ars,762,sniper rifles.Im worried Brazil might turn into a colombia.AND THE CRIMINALS OUT HERE ARE THE REAL DEAL.

    i thought Colombia was getting beetter

    Come on b.From what I know there is still a crazy ass militia out there.
  • LordZuko
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    Copper wrote: »
    What's the obsession that whites have with killing black kids?

    cut off generations. pretty simple. ? them before they even have a chance to procreate.
  • StillFaggyAF
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    AggyAF wrote: »
    Its sad its worldwide.I live in Rio.What happens is that they conduct an operation in the favelas and mistake normal people with criminals.They just shook because they are young cops and start shooting at anything that moves.But I must keep it real.Theres way too many criminals heavilly armed in my country.Aks,Ars,762,sniper rifles.Im worried Brazil might turn into a colombia.AND THE CRIMINALS OUT HERE ARE THE REAL DEAL.

    i thought Colombia was getting beetter

    Come on b.From what I know there is still a crazy ass militia out there.

    one of my neighborhors moved back idk maybe its just the cities but most media say its much safer than in the 90s
  • zzombie
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    columbia is safe just don't go out to the jungle or the remote areas and the militias won't be able to kidnap you. You will be as safe just don't be stupid
  • Cabana_Da_Don
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    Its not a walk in the park out there Im telling ya.
  • StillFaggyAF
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    edited December 2015
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    Its not a walk in the park out there Im telling ya.

    i'm not dumb enough to think otherwise

    i just thought BRazil was worse crime wise than Colombia tbh
  • Cabana_Da_Don
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    AggyAF wrote: »
    Its not a walk in the park out there Im telling ya.

    i'm not dumb enough to think otherwise

    i just thought BRazil was worse crime wise than Colombia tbh

    No I dont think youre dumb.But Colombia is more violent.If compare population,crime rate per citizen.Plus they still run the coke world.
  • MasterJayN100
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    must been white
  • kingofkingz
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    I'll just keep my black ass in the states
  • stringer bell
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/12/12/why-brazil-has-no-black-lives-matter-movement-despite-some-shocking-police-killings/
    Why Brazil has no Black Lives Matter movement, despite some shocking police killings

    RIO DE JANEIRO -- Five young black men were killed recently in a hail of police bullets in a poor Rio neighborhood after celebrating a pay check that one of them -- a 16-year-old -- had earned in his first-ever job.

    Such a killing would have raised an outcry had it occurred in the United States. Yet most Brazilians barely noticed. In a country where violent crime is a huge issue, few people seem prepared to challenge the police.

    “It is as if nothing happened,” said Humberto Adami, director of Rio’s Institute of Racial and Environmental Advocacy, a legal group. “Why don’t people get as indignant as in the United States?”

    Campaigners tried to mobilize outrage after the killings. An anti-racism banner was raised at a Rio demonstration last week. Relatives and friends of the victims also held a small protest. On Tuesday, Amnesty International delivered a petition with 60,000 signatures protesting police killings to Rio’s governor, Luiz Pezão. Many Brazilians expressed their shock online.

    But there was nothing on the scale of the outrage seen in the United States, where police killings of black men have touched off major protests and Justice Department investigations.

    In both countries, blacks appear to be killed by police in numbers disproportionate to their share of the population. While there is little official U.S. data, The Washington Post has found that about a quarter of people killed by U.S. police this year were black. In Brazil, a report by Amnesty International found that 79 percent of the victims of killings by on-duty police in Rio from 2010-13 were black or mixed race. A separate study, co-authored by Jacqueline Sinhoretto, a sociology professor and violence specialist at the Federal University of São Carlos in São Paulo state, found that 64 percent of those killed by police in the city of São Paulo in 2014 were black.

    The recent case was particularly shocking. On Nov. 28, four black men -- Wilton Domingos Júnior, 20, Wesley Rodrigues, 25, Cleiton de Souza, 18, and Carlos de Souza, 16 (who is no relation) went to the Madureira Park in northern Rio to celebrate with Roberto de Penha, 16, who had just started work at a nearby supermarket.

    When the five men's white Fiat reached Costa Barros, the neighborhood where de Penha lived, they were met with a hail of police bullets. Four officers have been jailed in the case. They claimed they were fired at when they went to investigate a stolen truck in this notoriously violent area of Rio. Witnesses accused the officers of putting a gun into the hand of one of the dead men to fake signs of a shootout.

    Authorities said the police officers involved will be tried. "It was a tragic and indefensible action," said Rio's state security secretary, Jose Beltrame.

    And yet, the attack and its fallout have found little space in the national media, which are more focused on Brazil's political crisis and the start of impeachment proceedings against President Dilma Rousseff.

    There are several possible explanations for the limited reaction.

    One is that officials insisted that race was not a factor in the killings.

    “It’s not racism,” said Rio state governor Luiz Pezão.

    Many Brazilians seem inclined to believe that explanation. In part, that's because, unlike in the United States, blacks and mixed-race people are not a small minority. Slightly more than half of Brazilians identify themselves as black or mixed-race, compared to about 15 percent in the United States.

    While the majority of American police officers are white, half of Brazil's police identified themselves as either black or mixed race in a 2014 study produced by the Brazilian Public Security Forum, a non-governmental group.

    Meanwhile, murder rates are much higher in Brazil than in the United States, and many fearful citizens approve of an iron-? approach by police. In a survey carried out in July by the Datafolha Polling Institute, 50 percent of residents of big Brazilian cities said they agreed with the common expression "The only good bandit is a dead bandit."

    Many see Brazil's justice system as slow and prone to errors, said Sinhoretto, the violence expert. "The logic in people's minds is that nothing works, let the police act," she said.

    She added that while protest groups pressure the authorities about police killings, mainstream media do not. That makes is easier for the authorities to avoid proper investigations. And that, in turn, contributes to public apathy.

    "In general, the inquiries into these denunciations will conclude that there was no crime, that there was a confrontation, shots, that it was legitimate defense," she said.

    Amnesty found that of 220 investigations launched into homicides as a result of police action in 2011 in Rio, 183 cases were still open in April of this year and only one officer had been charged.

    Brazilians may also be reluctant to protest abuses since so many fear the police -- 60 percent of people in São Paulo, according to a November Datafolha poll.

    Jorge de Penha, 50, father of Roberto, said that racism was indeed a factor in the killing of his son and his friends. In Rio’s richer, whiter "South Zone," which is home to beach neighborhoods like Ipanema, police would have stopped the car to see who was in it, he said. In the poorer, blacker "North Zone," where he lives, they just opened fire, he said.

    “This makes me angry,” said de Penha, a welder who has been studying law.

    His son was a happy teenager who liked to design on a computer, he said, not a member of one of the armed drug gangs that operate in many Rio slums.

    “He was a wonderful boy,” said de Penha.
  • StillFaggyAF
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    Article is wrong, there are similar movements to black lives matter in brazil. Black conciousness has been rising in Brazil over the last couple years
  • PapaDoc223
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    I'll just keep my black ass in the states
    I'll just keep my black ass in the states

    As if its any better here.