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tupacfan12 wrote: »Rubio talking about Donald Trump deferments on Vietnam etc basically calling him a draft dodger, saying Trump is not a tough guy saying he was the first to ask for secret service protection.
Rubio and Cruz are spending so much time attacking Trump they're not explaining WHY they would be the better candidate. Joy Reid of MSNBC hit that right on the head yesterday, she gotta be the best commentator in cable news imo. The polls showing that isn't sticking but we'll see tomorrow.
Very true......with all of these playground attacks going back and forth, the only thing missing Trump is saying "Ya Mama". Also keep in mind Rubio is calling Trump a con-man. By doing that he has also belittled all of the Trump voters that voted for him in the past (Iowa, SC, New Hampshire, etc) and possibly the future. Rubio message should be along the lines of trying to court potential Trump voters but its too late. I am surprised no Republican Super PACs have been going at Trump since he really started picking up momentum, now almost nothing can really stop him from getting the nomination.
Exactly.
They should've dropped all this opposition research MONTHS ago, you got Rubio stooping to name calling and Cruz accusing Trump is having mob ties which may be true, but throwing the kitchen sink at Trump now after he won three primaries in a row just reeks of desperation and voters can see thru that. New polls out this weekend show Trump leading in every state except two, Texas and Colorado. -
PapaDoc223 wrote: »PapaDoc223 wrote: »The Trump fuckery might destroy the GOP. Now there is talk that if Trump is the nomination they will go for a 3rd choice. This split was coming after the Tea Party racist took over in 2010. I hope the racist GOP splits and go the way of the Whigs.
GOP will win local races on a smaller scale like towns,cities and state races but they might struggle in Presidential general elections in the future.
Which is still a problem. The GOP are in that states right tip and all about secession since they love the Confederacy. If they can't win nationally you will see them push harder for nullification and secession in the future.
What the Republican Party is going thru right now is similar to what the Democratic Party went thru in the 70's and 80's where they couldn't win national elections and only local ones. Democrats can't win the White House forever, the GOP will be electable soon.
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Lol succession won't happen
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tupacfan12 wrote: »PapaDoc223 wrote: »PapaDoc223 wrote: »The Trump fuckery might destroy the GOP. Now there is talk that if Trump is the nomination they will go for a 3rd choice. This split was coming after the Tea Party racist took over in 2010. I hope the racist GOP splits and go the way of the Whigs.
GOP will win local races on a smaller scale like towns,cities and state races but they might struggle in Presidential general elections in the future.
Which is still a problem. The GOP are in that states right tip and all about secession since they love the Confederacy. If they can't win nationally you will see them push harder for nullification and secession in the future.
What the Republican Party is going thru right now is similar to what the Democratic Party went thru in the 70's and 80's where they couldn't win national elections and only local ones. Democrats can't win the White House forever, the GOP will be electable soon.
I just hope Hillary won't be a one term president.
Them crazy cacs are already talking about nullification and sucession. Once they lose this election and the balance of SCOTUS you will see how much of sore losers they are. Once they lose power the secessionisnt will be speaking load. If they abandon the base they will break away from the GOP. And they will ? up local and state elections for the GOP. So they won't give up on them. -
@Sion do you think the minimum wage should be lifted? And how can middle class wages go up since its the same since when Reagan was president but the cost of living is rising higher? And I think Europe is in worse shape than us. They got the never ending debt crisis and on top of that the Brexit and refugee crisis.
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I'll just leave that there.....
Whether you support Hillary or Sanders those are gems.... It comes as no surprise politicians are lying to you about the economy today just to win the election - and that goes for all candidates running. Because they know the average voter is not intelligent enough to figure that out. Which is rather insulting if you ask me.
Just some food for thought.
@(ob)scene
both candidates on the democratic side have plainly acknowledged the economy is doing great
the concern is very few americans are seeing gains
inequality is rising against a background of low social mobility
hence why some candidates have suggested changing tax rates, raising the minimum wage, addressing the rising costs of higher education and healthcare, etc
or is it all a lie? is the data wrong? break it down for me
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I'll just leave that there.....
Whether you support Hillary or Sanders those are gems.... It comes as no surprise politicians are lying to you about the economy today just to win the election - and that goes for all candidates running. Because they know the average voter is not intelligent enough to figure that out. Which is rather insulting if you ask me.
Just some food for thought.
@(ob)scene
This.
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D@mn.....I am really disgusted by looking at the vitriol that was met by the Black Lives Matter protesters at the Trump rally.
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Idk about y'all but I can't wait to vote tomorrow
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Man, I might write in Warren Buffet's name if Bernie don't make it. ? Trump, ? Hilary, too.
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Commendable but Warren Buffett doesn't have the slightest ? clue about how people from my hometown are living while working two jobs clocking overtime. As we said before stop misrepresenting the political messages being sent about the economy.
No one has said the economy is in the tank. They're saying we're getting robbed.
Directly from Sanders' websiteToday, we live in the richest country in the history of the world, but that reality means little because much of that wealth is controlled by a tiny handful of individuals.
The issue of wealth and income inequality is the great moral issue of our time, it is the great economic issue of our time, and it is the great political issue of our time.In turn, that 34.4% gain will produce a staggering $19,000 increase in real GDP per capita for the next generation. Were that to be distributed equally, the gain would be $76,000 annually for a family of four. Today’s politicians need not shed tears for tomorrow’s children.
Could you explain this to me Sion? Did Buffett just poo poo the idea of a $76,000 increase annually of a family of four? -
fortyacres wrote: »this year we have to vote breh all this i dont vote coz there is no change ? , will bite you in the ass when Donald Trump wins.
https://youtu.be/TGc2nN9OguQ
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I'm an Independent. Can't vote till the general election.
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I'm an Independent. Can't vote till the general election.
My next comments might come across as a bit of an oxymoron, but I've never understood this.
We tend to lean one way or another.
Personally I lean more to the left (liberalism) in my views which generally almost always causes me to vote Democrat.
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It puts a smile on my face seeing the GOP in complete chaos over Donald Trump
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Commendable but Warren Buffett doesn't have the slightest ? clue about how people from my hometown are living while working two jobs clocking overtime. As we said before stop misrepresenting the political messages being sent about the economy.
No one has said the economy is in the tank. They're saying we're getting robbed.
Directly from Sanders' websiteToday, we live in the richest country in the history of the world, but that reality means little because much of that wealth is controlled by a tiny handful of individuals.
The issue of wealth and income inequality is the great moral issue of our time, it is the great economic issue of our time, and it is the great political issue of our time.In turn, that 34.4% gain will produce a staggering $19,000 increase in real GDP per capita for the next generation. Were that to be distributed equally, the gain would be $76,000 annually for a family of four. Today’s politicians need not shed tears for tomorrow’s children.
Could you explain this to me Sion? Did Buffett just poo poo the idea of a $76,000 increase annually of a family of four?
Then tell Bernie and Hillary to stop using the economy as a crutch to get votes. Sanders is guilty of using it in the democratic debates and in interviews (with the Breakfast Club via telephone). But he wants to get elected so he'll do the appearances with Killer Mike, and say anything to get elected. As would Hillary.
Buffett's saying that over a 20 year period that's what the U.S. will produce in GDP per capita. If you look at what a family used to earn back in his day and what it's grown to over time you can see we live a lot better today than we did a generation ago. The country works.
In 1980 the GDP per capita was $12,597.65 USD and today it's $54,629. In 1990 it was $23,954.52 USD nearly doubling in just a decade. I think people knock on the U.S. economy out of ignorance and dissatisfaction. In terms of family income in 1980 the nominal median household income was $16k (adjusted for inflation that would feel like 46k today) and today the nominal median household income is about 53k. It's going to take a long time for the gap in income equality to narrow - it'll never truly "narrow" because you're comparing what your boss/owner of your company makes compared to his employee. It will narrow but it'll never truly be at a satisfactory level. In a perfect world there's no poverty, socialistic or capitalistic there will always be rich and poor and of course your middle class. In a great economy like the U.S. although it works it's not perfect and minorities are the worst impacted by the imperfections of a capitalistic society. Minorities can't rely on government, they will have to uplift themselves to be self-sufficient and repair the communities from within. That won't happen overnight, it'll take generations, we're getting there tho.
Minorities - women, black people, Hispanics are the most important demographic in America right now and will be the future of the country's great economic growth, innovation and education. In 30 years, 1 in 3 Americans will be of Hispanic descent. To uplift them, they need access to programs and opportunities for them to utilise what they know and their skills to produce in the economy. If that doesn't occur nothing changes and nothing grows. America may supply the platform but it's up to the people to utilise it. Nowhere else in the world would a Black President have been possible. America works, that's why it's able to be the largest and richest country in the world. It's good at churning out it's talent to produce. Europe had to merge a gang of countries and still can't get it right.
Would have to disagree with the income inequality as the great economic issue of our time I'd say debt is by large.
saying that today's economy only works for a select few is a lie?
how?
sure america is an incredibly rich country and even most of the "poor" are living comfortably by historical and global standards...however in the 50s, early 60s measures such as social mobility was higher compared to today. and as you already admitted minorities and the poor are worst impacted by the imperfections of american capitalism. just look at the wealth disparity between blks and whites
so all things considered, not to mention the fact that the "free market" same as America's economy is a man made system, why shouldn't we seek to make america a more equitable society
if you believe that is misleading, a pipe dream, not feasible, provide a substantive argument as to why you believe that to be true
....rather then post warren buffet articles trying to paint this rosy picture of a place where a child born into poverty is more than likely going to die poor. where people opt to pay rent rather than go to the doctor. a place where college is not a right but a privilege
and yes, when the disparity between the rich and everyone else is so wide, income inequality is a big deal
as income inequality increases, a larger segment of the population has less discretionary income to spend, so the economy starts to slow down as demand for products and services lessen due to lack of available funds. in the long-term, this results in a shrinking economy where available resources like jobs, food and affordable housing are scarcer, and competition to acquire these resources is higher
The increased stress levels that accompany reduced financial levels and a lack of resources also affect physical and mental health, resulting in increased health care costs, decreased worker productivity and even more depressed economic conditions. This creates an increased burden on taxpayers and social services agencies because the lowest income earners can't afford their own health care
we already see what inequality and austerity has down to the people of flint
not sure how you or anyone got the idea the gap is going to narrow without some form of major government intervention.....it has been on the rise steadily for decades due to things in and out of our control...stagnant wages. fewer blue collar jobs that pay well, as many of those job are now based overseas. there is also a wider pay gap between blue collar jobs, such as in factories and service industries, and white collar jobs, those that require greater levels of knowledge, experience or training. with new advances in technology and the rising costs of higher education, its more then likely going to get worst
national debit is a problem, especially if we don’t address long term obligations like ss, but slow economic growth is going to make it worst -
desertrain10 wrote: »Commendable but Warren Buffett doesn't have the slightest ? clue about how people from my hometown are living while working two jobs clocking overtime. As we said before stop misrepresenting the political messages being sent about the economy.
No one has said the economy is in the tank. They're saying we're getting robbed.
Directly from Sanders' websiteToday, we live in the richest country in the history of the world, but that reality means little because much of that wealth is controlled by a tiny handful of individuals.
The issue of wealth and income inequality is the great moral issue of our time, it is the great economic issue of our time, and it is the great political issue of our time.In turn, that 34.4% gain will produce a staggering $19,000 increase in real GDP per capita for the next generation. Were that to be distributed equally, the gain would be $76,000 annually for a family of four. Today’s politicians need not shed tears for tomorrow’s children.
Could you explain this to me Sion? Did Buffett just poo poo the idea of a $76,000 increase annually of a family of four?
Then tell Bernie and Hillary to stop using the economy as a crutch to get votes. Sanders is guilty of using it in the democratic debates and in interviews (with the Breakfast Club via telephone). But he wants to get elected so he'll do the appearances with Killer Mike, and say anything to get elected. As would Hillary.
Buffett's saying that over a 20 year period that's what the U.S. will produce in GDP per capita. If you look at what a family used to earn back in his day and what it's grown to over time you can see we live a lot better today than we did a generation ago. The country works.
In 1980 the GDP per capita was $12,597.65 USD and today it's $54,629. In 1990 it was $23,954.52 USD nearly doubling in just a decade. I think people knock on the U.S. economy out of ignorance and dissatisfaction. In terms of family income in 1980 the nominal median household income was $16k (adjusted for inflation that would feel like 46k today) and today the nominal median household income is about 53k. It's going to take a long time for the gap in income equality to narrow - it'll never truly "narrow" because you're comparing what your boss/owner of your company makes compared to his employee. It will narrow but it'll never truly be at a satisfactory level. In a perfect world there's no poverty, socialistic or capitalistic there will always be rich and poor and of course your middle class. In a great economy like the U.S. although it works it's not perfect and minorities are the worst impacted by the imperfections of a capitalistic society. Minorities can't rely on government, they will have to uplift themselves to be self-sufficient and repair the communities from within. That won't happen overnight, it'll take generations, we're getting there tho.
Minorities - women, black people, Hispanics are the most important demographic in America right now and will be the future of the country's great economic growth, innovation and education. In 30 years, 1 in 3 Americans will be of Hispanic descent. To uplift them, they need access to programs and opportunities for them to utilise what they know and their skills to produce in the economy. If that doesn't occur nothing changes and nothing grows. America may supply the platform but it's up to the people to utilise it. Nowhere else in the world would a Black President have been possible. America works, that's why it's able to be the largest and richest country in the world. It's good at churning out it's talent to produce. Europe had to merge a gang of countries and still can't get it right.
Would have to disagree with the income inequality as the great economic issue of our time I'd say debt is by large.
saying that today's economy only works for a select few is a lie?
how?
sure america is an incredibly rich country and even most of the "poor" are living comfortably by historical and global standards...however in the 50s, early 60s measures such as social mobility was higher compared to today. and as you already admitted minorities and the poor are worst impacted by the imperfections of american capitalism. just look at the wealth disparity between blks and whites
so all things considered, not to mention the fact that the "free market" same as America's economy is a man made system, why shouldn't we seek to make america a more equitable society
if you believe that is misleading, a pipe dream, not feasible, provide a substantive argument as to why you believe that to be true
....rather then post warren buffet articles trying to paint this rosy picture of a place where a child born into poverty is more than likely going to die poor. where people opt to pay rent rather than go to the doctor. a place where college is not a right but a privilege
and yes, when the disparity between the rich and everyone else is so wide, income inequality is a big deal
as income inequality increases, a larger segment of the population has less discretionary income to spend, so the economy starts to slow down as demand for products and services lessen due to lack of available funds. in the long-term, this results in a shrinking economy where available resources like jobs, food and affordable housing are scarcer, and competition to acquire these resources is higher
The increased stress levels that accompany reduced financial levels and a lack of resources also affect physical and mental health, resulting in increased health care costs, decreased worker productivity and even more depressed economic conditions. This creates an increased burden on taxpayers and social services agencies because the lowest income earners can't afford their own health care
we already see what inequality and austerity has down to the people of flint
not sure how you or anyone got the idea the gap is going to narrow without some form of major government intervention.....it has been on the rise steadily for decades due to things in and out of our control...stagnant wages. fewer blue collar jobs that pay well, as many of those job are now based overseas. there is also a wider pay gap between blue collar jobs, such as in factories and service industries, and white collar jobs, those that require greater levels of knowledge, experience or training. with new advances in technology and the rising costs of higher education, its more then likely going to get worst
national debit is a problem, especially if we don’t address long term obligations like ss, but slow economic growth is going to make it worst
No nation or economic system is perfect but the one we have in america has proven to be the best mankind has ever invented. People like you want to risk all of that on the hope that you can invent a better one.
? that. There will be inequality and government attempts to address it have mostly led to greater levels of poverty. Your foolish ideas of creating a utopian society will lead to disaster. We have to learn to accept a certain level of human suffering -
Calling the free-market man made is an ignorant over simplification of this philosophical concept.
The free-market is the physical expression of human wills and economic needs and wants it can be manipulated because human will can be manipulated but it's governments job to ensure that doesn't happen. It's not governments job to do the manipulation.
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First poll results in 20 minutes
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Calling the free-market man made is an ignorant over simplification of this philosophical concept.
the free-market is the physical expression of human wills and economic needs and wants.
lol
fact is the great american economy was created, maintained and curated by the government
they are the ones who create and enforce things like private property, money and contracts, not nature
market rules are primarily choices, which shape incentives and guide markets toward certain goals. our rules don't need prioritize profits over other community goals
and for far to long our market rules have favored a select few rather than the public good
I understand no economic system is perfect, but the status quo isn't working for many people and is literally unsustainable imho
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Damn time flies it seem like yesterday when Obama and McCain were going against each other.
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I aint writing that ? again but cosign @zzombie the system isn't perfect and the ones left out will become the challenge for the next generation and political regime to solve.
@desertrain10 Nowhere in my post btw did I EVER say I was against social improvement or income inequality. Wages and standards of living will get waaay better but it takes a very very long TIME for those changes to occur. Income inequality will narrow but it'll never truly be satisfactory (you'll never make the same as your boss or his boss), a corporation has access to the global economy, a person who works has to be at one place for a set time and then that's it. The opportunities for the wealth the 2 will generate is different. A person could invest in their employer to get a portion of those profits too but many don't have the knowledge of why and how to go about doing that.
you've been arguing that politicians like Bernie are misleading the public about the true state of the economy, I disagree with that
at least, in regards to only a select few seeing any real gains
and I don't think he and othrs are overstating things
? many our biggest retailers are currently closing down stores left and right
Walmart and Mcdonalds are our biggest employers
Nor are these imperfections something we have to just accept
As I said before market rules are primarily choices, which shape incentives and guide markets toward certain goals. our rules don't need prioritize profits over other community goals
I also don't believe we can afford to wait years and years for the gap between income inequality to close, especially when its steadily increasing which spells disaster for growth.
sure I don't expect to get paid the same as my boss, no one should...but it benefits no one for him or her to get paid 50-100x more than me. And no, most ppl don't have the disposable income to invest
the job creators and us regular folk are going to have to have to come to some sort of a compromise
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Nah they are (I mean Hillary too) Desertrain but to each their own
The U.S. is a $16 trillion economy, you're not turning that around in 12 minutes or 12 months. You can't have a baby in 1 month getting 9 women pregnant.
Lol
Well of course income/wealth gap and the likes is going to take some time to close
Your misrepresenting my argument, same as Bernies
But yea, to each their own
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Looks like Cruz going to get Texas
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Trump wins 4 states Alabama,Georgia, Massachusetts and Tennessee
