HENCHMAN SPEAKS "Unjust Justice: The Jimmy Rosemond Tapes"
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I remember a few years back, somebody uploaded that junior mafia documentary up on youtube. Lil cease mentioned how pac accidentally shot himself.....read the youtube comments. ...Pac fans were ? . they dont know that accusation been out there for years. So they start calling cease a liar, "whys he saying this after pac died, he's a coward!"...WRONG...? need to read, cause Pacs homeboy Stretch said it back then.
^My point being, sometimes the truth gets obscure when u got an avalanche of ? coming at you and a TON of people who dont know what they're talking bout.
(Eg. Try convincing old people Jesus wasn't white....youll get nowhere)
Im sure if cease was trying to ? on Pac....The Outlawz wouldn't turn around a do a song with him (Bury The Hatchet)....people need to ask themselves these questions.
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aladdin1978 wrote: »So they saying pac shot himself?!?!
This story will never rest
@aladdin1978
This has been said since day one. If u read the original vibe magazine article from when it happened, Strecth alluded to this waaay back then.
Alot of Pac fans make it sound like him shooting himself in the groin is just a fairly recent lie made to ? up Pacs name. Nah, it was said back then too.
Read the original Vibe article.
I have that issue. Got it in the mail. I don't remember that part but again, this story will never rest. -
international wrote: »international wrote: »international wrote: »international wrote: »aladdin1978 wrote: »So they saying pac shot himself?!?!
This story will never rest
@aladdin1978
This has been said since day one. If u read the original vibe magazine article from when it happened, Strecth alluded to this waaay back then.
Alot Pac fans make it sound like him shooting himself in the groin is just a fairly recent lie made up to ? up Pacs name. Nah, it was said back then too.
Read the original Vibe article.
Doesn´t make it anymore true, what it does is solidify that Stretch was a snake ass ? , thought that was your mans...smh
Doesnt necessarily make it a false statement either.
For the simple fact Stretch didnt jump out the window and try to push that aspect to Vibe makes me think there could be truth to the statement. Most people to this day who read the article didnt catch that Stretch alluded to him shooting himself.
What it does is make Stretch a snake, if that was your mans you def wouldn´t have tried to allude to what he tried to, nor try and tarnish his image and do him ? like that, what was the point of even publicizing thaytshit in the first place? This is what Im getting at, this ? character which makes him highly questionable... The only person that he had to tell anything was the cops not going to the media and making interviews about it, smh...Pac was def surrounded by some snakes in NY...so considering all that, he loses all credibility.
I do t think u understand what happened here. U cant call Stretch a snake for giving his take...Pac basically ? on him 1st saying he should of attacked the gunmen in the robbery because he was taller then them.Stretch retorted in the next issue by saying his height didnt mean ? when it came to a dudes with guns.
So using your logic, Pac would of been the one to snake his homeboy Stretch by making him look like a punk for not rushing the attackers who had guns. Pac brought that to Vibe.....Pacs interview was before Stretches.
And thats my only problem with alot of people on this site....they dont know alot of the details thats out there, yet they make a snap decision that everyone's lying on Pac.
What you expect after the ? was the ONLY one that got shot up and robbed? What other conclusion was he supposed to come to? Ang Big said it best himself, after having all that ? happen to him and then get charged and do crime for something he didn´t do, why would he NOT be thinking like that, is the real question...
I don´t blame Pac at all, something that is a apart of growing up and knowing that its part of life that you´re going to be surrounded by some punk, jealous ass snakes in ya lifetime.
I agree 1000% that is wasnt a random robbery. For the simple fact the attackers only robbed and beat Pac is suspicious as ? .
Im just saying, the accusation that Pac accidently shot himself in the groin while going for his gun, is not far fetched. I dont see why people immediately write that off.
Because he got shot 4 or 5 more times after that... so what would be even the point,to shoot him if he was already done and out by his own bullet?? Surely, they wouldn´t even need to have shot at him, if they just ´wanted to rob him´
This is debated too.
Theres a book out there called Snitch written by Ethan Brown (the guy that wrote Queens Reigns Supreme) He said on page 62, the head doctor Dr.Patcher, stated the head wounds weren't gunshots wounds. Some people there at the studio that night said Pac didn't even get shot in the head, he just got gun butted the ? outta him. Even Stretch was saying in Vibe nobody there that night remembers all the gunshots pac claimed went off.
Now i wasnt there that night, so i aint saying this is a fact. But the reason ill give Ethan some credibility, is that he named dexter isaac as one of the robbers waaay b4 he confessed. He even named another one of the gunmen by his government name...So i believe Ethans investigative skills are thorough.
Heres a link to a free snippet of the book on Google Books where he mentions the doctor saying those werent gun wounds to the head...
https://books.google.ca/books?id=hkvX1Wh0YhkC&pg=PA55&lpg=PA55&dq=snitch+ethan+brown+tupac&source=bl&ots=7pOSdLlZM2&sig=tz2GfQkRMUjTFF6i8yXg_WL7jv4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj6xe76qvHLAhUDbhQKHapZAE4Q6AEIDzAB#v=onepage&q=snitch ethan brown tupac&f=false -
aladdin1978 wrote: »aladdin1978 wrote: »So they saying pac shot himself?!?!
This story will never rest
@aladdin1978
This has been said since day one. If u read the original vibe magazine article from when it happened, Strecth alluded to this waaay back then.
Alot of Pac fans make it sound like him shooting himself in the groin is just a fairly recent lie made to ? up Pacs name. Nah, it was said back then too.
Read the original Vibe article.
I have that issue. Got it in the mail. I don't remember that part but again, this story will never rest.
@aladdin1978
Here was Stretches response in Vibe
(Remember, Puff, Big, andre harrell, lil shawn, didn't have a chance to respond til like in the next issue)
http://thunder_1st.tripod.com/Vibe/stretchlet.html
Me and Pac have been down from day one. Before he did Juice, before his first album. That's my man. So the interview he did in VIBE bugged me out. But I know him. He likes to talk a lot. Especially when he's upset, he'll say ? that he won't even mean. And then he'll think about it later and be, like, "Damn, why the ? did I say that?"
We was kinda skeptical when we was going to the studio. We was, like, ? don't seem right, something gonna happen. But when the four of us got to the studio and seen Little Caesar and them up in the window, it kinda threw us off. So we get around the corner and we see this ? standing in front of the studio with an army fatigue jacket on. He sees us, looks at his watch, then looks down. There's somebody sitting inside by the elevators lookin' at his newspaper. We not really paying them no mind. So they buzz us in, and the kid that was standing in front of the building comes in behind us.
We wasn't rushing to the elevator. They had the iron out immediately. They had the drop on us real quick, and they was, like, "Y'all ? lay down." We just looked at each other like we was not laying down for ? . 'Cause when ? tell you to lay down, you automatically think you ain't gonna get up no more.
So Pac turns around like he about to go for his joint, 'cause Pac was strapped. Then a shot went off, and it was, like, Oh ? . ? is not playing. After the shot, boom, Pac hit the floor. Me personally, I only heard one shot. I didn't hear four, five, six shots. And he was saying that he got shot three, four times. None of us remember hearing four, five shots. When the shot went off, that's when we went down.
Pac's saying all this ? in the interview, like, "I thought that Stretch was gonna fight. He was towering over them." Now, that ? know I ain't never going out like no ? . But I ain't dumb. I ain't got no gun, what the ? am I supposed to do? I might be towering over ? , but I ain't towerin' over no slugs.
Tupac got shot trying to go for his ? . He tried to go for his gun, and he made a mistake on his own. But I'll let him tell the world that. I ain't even going to get into it all like that. Pac's talking about ? "dropping like a sack of potatoes." How the ? is he going to know if ? dropped like a sack of potatoes if he was turned around to get his joint? He tried to turn around and pull the joint out real quick, but ? caught him. Grabbed his hand when it was by his waist.
When Pac was on the floor, his head was bleeding and his eyes was closed. Your man gets dropped and he falls right next to you that ? bug you the ? out. The other ? kept the joint on me and Zane, and the kid with the army fatigue jacket started takin' off Pac's jewels and ? . He was calling Pac a ? -ass ? , kickin' him and ? .
After they finished robbing, they stepped out, walking backward and pointing the guns at us. I was looking at Pac, and all of a sudden his eyes opened and he said, "Yo, I'm hit." And Fred's saying he'? too. So, boom, we go outside and Pac starts screaming for the police. We see a cop outside, rolling up real slow, but Zane got the other gun that Pac had, and we out on Times Square. So we ran back inside and got on the elevator and went upstairs. My man Fred stayed down there in front of the building, 'cause he was hit.
In that interview, Pac was talking all that ? about Thug Life is ignorance and telling ? ' names and all that ? . I don't even understand why he went there. I've seen Pac mad times after the shooting and he never kicked none of that ? to me. You know how he feels about the media, so why would he go and do an interview like that? He's supposed to be a street ? ; he should've kept it in the street. I mean, ? had to go and get their names changed. I want him to get a reality check. Recognize what the ? he's doing. ? on the street live by rules, man. And that rule right there, that's a rule that's never to be broken.
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It's a known fact Pac got the ? pistol whipped outta his head but not shot. Plus I thought it was common knowledge he shot himself in the groin then dropped, the robbers saw him reach for his gat, so they busted back
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I remember a few years back, somebody uploaded that junior mafia documentary up on youtube. Lil cease mentioned how pac accidentally shot himself.....read the youtube comments. ...Pac fans were ? . they dont know that accusation been out there for years. So they start calling cease a liar, "whys he saying this after pac died, he's a coward!"...WRONG...? need to read, cause Pacs homeboy Stretch said it back then.
^My point being, sometimes the truth gets obscure when u got an avalanche of ? coming at you and a TON of people who dont know what they're talking bout.
(Eg. Try convincing old people Jesus wasn't white....youll get nowhere)
Im sure if cease was trying to ? on Pac....The Outlawz wouldn't turn around a do a song with him (Bury The Hatchet)....people need to ask themselves these questions.
Heres the clip of Cease saying Pac shot his self.....go read the comments...Pac fans act like Cease made this up off the top of his head....no.....this theory has been around.
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I remember a few years back, somebody uploaded that junior mafia documentary up on youtube. Lil cease mentioned how pac accidentally shot himself.....read the youtube comments. ...Pac fans were ? . they dont know that accusation been out there for years. So they start calling cease a liar, "whys he saying this after pac died, he's a coward!"...WRONG...? need to read, cause Pacs homeboy Stretch said it back then.
^My point being, sometimes the truth gets obscure when u got an avalanche of ? coming at you and a TON of people who dont know what they're talking bout.
(Eg. Try convincing old people Jesus wasn't white....youll get nowhere)
Im sure if cease was trying to ? on Pac....The Outlawz wouldn't turn around a do a song with him (Bury The Hatchet)....people need to ask themselves these questions.
Heres the clip of Cease saying Pac shot his self.....go read the comments...Pac fans act like Cease made this up off the top of his head....no.....this theory has been around.http://youtu.be/nKccLxuLwX8
Cease was a kid when all this happen, people forget that.
Look at these weirdo comment:
Comment 1: Cease seem like a cool humble dude
Reply comment: yeah most people are when the are guilty for murder.
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Little Shawn's Vibe response:
All I know is that Money was supposed to come and he agreed to do the song with me. When I got there, it was like a ? party. I ain't really keen on a whole bunch of people in the studio while I'm working. I don't know how, but everybody must have known this cat was comin'.
Then the elevator goes ding. Money gets off the elevator and starts yelling, "Ah! I got shot. ? set me up. Muthafucka shot me; they shot Tupac." The back of his head was busted open and it was bleeding all down his face. He caught everybody by surprise. For like only a split second, until the shock wore off, nobody really wanted to ? with him because he was jumping around like an animal.
Reading the interview and being there, nothing made sense. He said Andre didn't want to look at him, Puffy didn't want to look at him. He's trying to state that nobody paid him any mind? Come on, man. I don't know this dude from a hole in the wall, and I was trying to help him. He said, "Little Shawn was crying uncontrollably." You sound like an idiot saying some dumb ? like that. When I was helping him, he didn't say, "You cryin' like a ? . Get away from me." I was surprised that Money even had the audacity to go there. I've punched a lot of people in their mouth behind that "Little Shawn was cryin' " ? .
Then I hear everybody is saying that I had something to do with it. And ? on the West Coast are saying, "Yo, tell that ? Little Shawn to be careful. Cause ? on the West Coast is calling his name." I don't need that in my life. A lot of people go through problems with the law, and that ain't nothing to be glorified. Every time this dude gets arrested, it's in the paper because of who he is, but he's loving it. I ain't no media gangster. That dude is Media Man. He is ridiculous.
Copyright © 1995 VIBE MagazineJuly 10, 1995
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Those are most likely post death pac fans. I also realized they are the worst of them all in that fanbase. you can't have a rational conversation with them for ?
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Built 4 cuban linx wrote: »Those are most likely post death pac fans. I also realized they are the worst of them all in that fanbase. you can't have a rational conversation with them for ?
Thank You,
I been saying this for years. Thats why i call em bandwagoners, cause they werent serious hip hop heads when all this ? went down, so they just go by the hype and all Pacs thug lyrics after the fact and they run with that. Theres TONS of misinformed pac fans on this very site.
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Andre Harrells Vibe response:
That night when I went to the studio, there were three sessions going on. There was Little Shawn's session, then upstairs SWV was happening, and on the other floor Biggie Smalls [The Notorious B.I.G.] was doing his thing. Hope was in the air and success was all around. Everybody was all excited about Pac comin' in, but we were starting to get antsy because he was supposed to get there at a certain time, and we wanted to see how this song with Little Shawn was going to set off.
When he got off the elevator, we were all standing in the hall. Tupac was just bopping back and forth saying, "I was set up." At first I didn't realize he had been shot, because he wasn't bleeding heavily from the head. It looked like he had a fight. He said, "It's not goin' down like that." I was, like, "Yo, Money, you shot. You need to sit down." He told Stretch to roll him up a spliff. He was in movie mode at this point. He did the whole James Cagney thing.
I said, "Let's call the ambulance." I was basically the one who was taking care of the police and the ambulance people. I wasn't making any calls; I was directing the studio exactly who to call, so I was talking more to Stretch because the paramedics were looking at Pac. There was no need for me to look at the wound.
I remember telling Stretch, "You got to go with him." 'Cause I wasn't trusting the police with Tupac. He had too many open issues with the police. I was feeling like something could have happened between the ride and the hospital. I ended up staying in the studio till 4 in the morning, 'cause the police interviewed everybody and wouldn't let anybody leave. I tried to call the hospital when I was walking out of the studio to see if I could go by there. They said they were looking at him and nobody could see him.
I was glad Tupac said he was basically through with the whole bad-guy image and that he wants to redirect his energy. So I guess there was some level of positivity that came out from all this. I want to go and see Pac and just talk to him, see where his head is at. 'Cause he knows what's real and what's not, and in the quietness of his mind, you know, he's dealing with all the truth. And for me, that's almost enough.
Copyright © 1995 VIBE Magazine
July 10, 1995
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You can thank those post death documentaries that came out also. They made him into some deity and allot of post death fans watch that ? , took it and ran with it. Believed he was more than he was cause they didn't experience things when he was alive but only see all that positive "he was a saint" or "the next Malcolm x" ? aftee death. More inclined to believe that, especially them suburban white boys that only got into tupac through Eminem when he produced that ? loyal to the game album
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The Notorious B.I.G. Vibe Response:
I had a session with the Junior Mafia at Quad Studios. Little Ceez and Meno and all them was on the little terrace they got out there, smoking weed. They was looking around and they saw Stretch and Pac and all them ? pull up. We all family, so ? greeted each other from upstairs to downstairs. Next thing you know, everybody was, like, "Yo, Pac just got shot." So I'm on my way downstairs, no gat, to see what's up with my man. Everybody holding me back.
I get downstairs and everything's on some lockdown ? . Nobody moves. Immediately, police thought everybody in the studio was on the same floor where everything was supposed to have happened at. I saw Pac get out on a stretcher, but when he actually came out from the elevator, I wasn't even there.
When I read the interview I felt like he was just ? on everybody. I always said that he was the realest ? in the game. I don't know what he was trying to hide, or if he was scared. I figured that with the ? he was talking in VIBE, he was just confused more than anything. You get shot and then you go to jail for something you ain't even do‹that could twist a ? 's mind up.
And then the story just completely got switched around: ? saying I set him up and I'm the one that got him shot. They're saying that my record "Who Shot Ya?" is about him. That ? is crazy. That song was finished way before Tupac got shot. ? was taking little pieces of the song and trying to add it to the story, and that ? is crazy. Other ? look at that VIBE piece, like, "Damn, Little Caesar was on the terrace. He must have been the lookout man." And it's real ? in the streets thinking, "That's ? up, what B.I.G. did to Tupac." I think that should be erased. Never, ever in life. As far as with me, he always gonna be my man, even when I go see him again. But he need to just check himself. And I want an apology. 'Cause I don't get down like that.
Copyright © 1995 VIBE MagazineJuly 10, 1995
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Sean "PUFFY" Combs Vibe response:
Basically, the whole thing must have been a dream. We were shooting Biggie's "Warning" video, and I see one of the Bad Boy staff members on his way to Biggie's session. I knew that Biggie had a session with Junior Mafia, but I didn't know it was right around the corner. So I'm going to check B.I.G., you know what I'm saying?
When I get off the elevator at Quad, you have to stop in a reception area, and there's this Little Shawn session with Andre. So I stopped to say "What's up?" to them. I'm about to go up to Biggie's session when Pac comes out the elevator and he's shot up. He had some blood coming out of his head, but there wasn't a lot of blood. He was holding his groin area and limping a little bit.
Nobody turned their backs on him; ? was all up on him. Immediately, Andre was, like, "Oh my ? , call the ambulance." Tupac wanted to go to the phone, so me and my man Groovy Lou was by his side, trying to hold him up, getting him to calm down. He was telling Groovy Lou to roll him a blunt. He definitely brought the theatrics to it.
He got a lot of people in a lot of ? with that interview. The way it was written, it was open-ended, like me and B.I.G. and Andre had something to do with it. I would never, ever purposely try to hurt no next man. That man had his own beefs with ? . I ain't never had no beef with that man.
I hope that his Thug Life ? is really over. But on the real, if you gonna be a ? ' thug, you gots to live and die a thug, you know what I'm sayin'? There ain't no jumpin' in and out of thugism. If that's what you choose to do, you gots to go out like that. I ain't no thug. Only thugs I know is dead or in jail. Or about to be.
Even still, I ain't got no beef. I pray for him, and it's all good. I'm writing him a letter. I want to hear what he's thinking face-to-face. Out of everybody, I'm the easiest to forgive. I've been there where the whole press is against you, the world ain't understanding you, ? don't know what really went on. And you get confused. That's the only thing I can see is confusion.
Copyright © 1995 VIBE MagazineJuly 10, 1995
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Jimmy Henchman's (Booker) Vibe response:
There was a lot of people passing through the studio that night, and the word definitely got out that Tupac was on his way. We were waiting on Tupac for hours. Next thing I know, about 12:00, Tupac comes off the elevator. It looked like he just got in a scuffle. Then I seen the blood on his head. He was pacing back and forth, hysterically, talking about "Call the police, call the police." Then he looked at me and said, "You the only one who knew that I was coming. You must've set me up." I was, like, "Yo, you buggin', Tupac. C'mere and talk to me." He kept pacing back and forth, and saying, "Call the police." He never said to call the ambulance.
In the paper he said he'd been set up, that he knew the assailants and blazey-boom. But everybody in the industry knew that he came off the elevator saying, "You set me up." I thought me and him was some kind of friends. But I felt maybe this was a strategy for him to get around his case. And maybe I shouldn't hold him accountable for trying that strategy.
But after the VIBE interview, I seen that this ? is using the media to get his point across and look like he had the upper hand. He made it seem like ? had a plot against him. Like he was so important that street ? wanted to ? him, industry ? wanted to ? him. He's believing his rap. He's believing the movie scripts that he's played. Where he went wrong was when he tried to go to the street, and when it came down to the test, he did not hold up. He's gonna assassinate people's character, saying that ? was crying and falling to the floor like a sack of potatoes. It just goes to show that the real coward and the real ? that was crying was Tupac.
Copyright © 1995 VIBE MagazineJuly 10, 1995
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Pac fans dont want to talk about or dont know how pac said in that very same article while he was in jail, that the Thug Life was dead, he didnt wanna rep it no more, and how changed into a better person.....but soon as Suge bailed in outta jail, and had his back...he went right back to acting like a thug.
....Thats exactly why biggie mocked him on Yo Mtv Raps....
http://youtu.be/Kp4jmic8z_c
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Who the ? would shoot them self in the ? for publicity? ??
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macadonwoo wrote: »Who the ? would shoot them self in the ? for publicity? ??
Who the ? even stated that????
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All this recent posts and accounts of what happened, just basically help me understand why Pac was like ? NY, clearly, the whole damn indsutry and different representatives of NY record labels, insiders and rappers tried to ? on Pac in the Vibe magazine, and mock him...
All this does is help me understand where Pac was coming from and why he was on some ? NY ? , move to Cali then came back and ? on all them snake ass ? ...yep makes all the sense now -
Pac fans dont want to talk about or dont know how pac said in that very same article while he was in jail, that the Thug Life was dead, he didnt wanna rep it no more, and how changed into a better person.....but soon as Suge bailed in outta jail, and had his back...he went right back to acting like a thug.
....Thats exactly why biggie mocked him on Yo Mtv Raps....http://youtu.be/Kp4jmic8z_c
....once again Pac fans dismissed this clip in the comments by saying he wasnt talking bout Pac...once again they dont know the back story.
Alll ? say that in jail lol -
Pac fans dont want to talk about or dont know how pac said in that very same article while he was in jail, that the Thug Life was dead, he didnt wanna rep it no more, and how changed into a better person.....but soon as Suge bailed in outta jail, and had his back...he went right back to acting like a thug.
....Thats exactly why biggie mocked him on Yo Mtv Raps....http://youtu.be/Kp4jmic8z_c
....once again Pac fans dismissed this clip in the comments by saying he wasnt talking bout Pac...once again they dont know the back story.[/quot we gona act like versace didnt love pac -
international wrote: »All this recent posts and accounts of what happened, just basically help me understand why Pac was like ? NY, clearly, the whole damn indsutry and different representatives of NY record labels, insiders and rappers tried to ? on Pac in the Vibe magazine, and mock him...
All this does is help me understand where Pac was coming from and why he was on some ? NY ? , move to Cali then came back and ? on all them snake ass ? ...yep makes all the sense now
All i'll say is there has been some bizarre posts and conspiracy theory type sht and twisting and turning and rumor talking in this thread. Bottom line they were wrong to rob him. Whether he shot himself(which I dont really believe) once they were still wrong for shooting him 4 times. Even if he shot himself thats supposed to make him the bad guy in that situation? Whats the point trying to get made? They still came to him and shot him. I never heard any thing substantial saying he shot himself anyway sounds like rumor sht. Any way I do see weird stances and bizarre attempts to rationalize and pass blame. In that regard yeah thats some odd sht. -
Pac fans dont want to talk about or dont know how pac said in that very same article while he was in jail, that the Thug Life was dead, he didnt wanna rep it no more, and how changed into a better person.....but soon as Suge bailed in outta jail, and had his back...he went right back to acting like a thug.
....Thats exactly why biggie mocked him on Yo Mtv Raps....http://youtu.be/Kp4jmic8z_c
....once again Pac fans dismissed this clip in the comments by saying he wasnt talking bout Pac...once again they dont know the back story.
Nah he had declared thug life dead but when that article came with biggie and puffy on the cover and basically the whole nyc trying to as assinate his character that's what made him bring it back cause ? was trying to ? his name -
Lol@ "they were wrong to rob him". They were street ? ls that's what they do. Da ? you gonna jump into the ocean and get mad that a shark bit you? Lol like I said before pac had no business dealing with them and even worse taking gifts and ? from them either. So yes, his stupidity gets blame also
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Good to hear accounts from people that were actually there.....Wasn't there a Henchman article in Vibe also where he said that he confronted Pac in LA and told him to stop saying that he set him up, and why is he blaming Big and Puff? I think that ? was in Vibe...
