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  • SneakDZA
    SneakDZA Members Posts: 11,223 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    lol @ describing a serial liar as "brutally honest"
  • R0mp
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    Oh this is comedy.
  • Plutarch
    Plutarch Members Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    SneakDZA wrote: »
    lol @ describing a serial liar as "brutally honest"

    Are you saying that's a contradiction? We both know that an individual can be an honest person and a serial liar. Do you think Trump is brutally honest?
  • SneakDZA
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    Maybe you're defining "honest" different from me. I typically think it means someone who tells the truth and doesn't mislead, cheat or steal. I would never describe Donald Trump that way.

    Also his racism is well documented and frequent... I've never seen it exaggerated - it doesn't have to be. Should we ignore it because he's so flagrant about it?
  • zzombie
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    SneakDZA wrote: »
    Maybe you're defining "honest" different from me. I typically think it means someone who tells the truth and doesn't mislead, cheat or steal. I would never describe Donald Trump that way.

    Also his racism is well documented and frequent... I've never seen it exaggerated - it doesn't have to be. Should we ignore it because he's so flagrant about it?

    right in this thread he was compared to ? and is being called the next ? all over the internet by insane liberals and leftist
  • Plutarch
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    SneakDZA wrote: »
    Maybe you're defining "honest" different from me. I typically think it means someone who tells the truth and doesn't mislead, cheat or steal. I would never describe Donald Trump that way.

    Perhaps we're using different definitions. In this context, I'm equating it to "saying what you really mean with no filters." And that has nothing to do with morality or cheating or stealing.

    I don't see how that doesn't describe Trump. Let's say that he is this diabolical racist. Well, isn't he honest about being racist then? You yourself just admitted that he's flagrant about it. I've always said that I respect an honest racist more than a dishonest racist.

    I could be wrong, however. I do believe that he is trolling. So maybe he is lying about being honest. So I could be wrong.
    SneakDZA wrote: »
    Also his racism is well documented and frequent... I've never seen it exaggerated - it doesn't have to be. Should we ignore it because he's so flagrant about it?

    Should we ignore his racism? Of course not.

    Ok, ? it. I wanted to avoid the Trump circus as best as I could, but I'm going to look up instances of Trump's racism to see for myself how bad it really is. If it's well-documented and frequent, this shouldn't take too long.
  • SneakDZA
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    zzombie wrote: »
    SneakDZA wrote: »
    Maybe you're defining "honest" different from me. I typically think it means someone who tells the truth and doesn't mislead, cheat or steal. I would never describe Donald Trump that way.

    Also his racism is well documented and frequent... I've never seen it exaggerated - it doesn't have to be. Should we ignore it because he's so flagrant about it?

    right in this thread he was compared to ? and is being called the next ? all over the internet by insane liberals and leftist
    Trump told Yahoo News that he would consider requiring Muslim-Americans to register with a government database, or worse, mandating that they carry special identification cards that note their faith.

    That's just one example that directly correlates to actual ? policies.
  • Plutarch
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    After some brief "research," I would say that the claim that Trump is "very" racist is more ? than true. I actually think that he, being white and wealthy (and more so, human), most certainly has a racist bone in his body. But that's just me talking ? without evidence. As of now, I haven't seen or read anything conclusive to suggest that he's this crazy racist people make him out to be.

    I could not easily find consistent evidence of him being racist even when I searched "Trump being racist." Instead, I found him sometimes being reasonable, sometimes stupid, sometimes rude, sometimes ignorant, etc. But not racist. Talking ? =/= racist. Criticizing Muslims =/= racist, as Islam is a religion. Condemning criminals from Mexico =/= isn't racist (people have even ran with him saying "they're rapists" when he actually said "their rapists"); as a matter of fact, in the midst of this crazy yet underrated War on Drugs, it's quite apt if you ask me.

    I saw nothing out of the typically ignorant ? that most people are on. That "Trump is ? " ? is a bunch of melodrama that you guys have turned into a big fad to follow. The simple point is that, whether or not he's racist, Trump is not qualified to be president. Why can't we focus more on that in order to discredit him?

    If anyone has any facts to counter this, feel free to post it. I'm an objective guy, so I'll be more than willing to change my opinion, and I actually want to, but I just don't see the evidence to do so.
  • SneakDZA
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    Ok maybe the dictionary you're using for "honest" also has a mistake in how they define "racist".

    Suggesting that a federal judge shouldn't not be allowed to be involved in a case against him because he's Mexican is racist.

    Being sued by the federal government (the gov't he's actually running to lead) for blatant housing discrimination against blacks is racist.

    Saying that Mexicans in America are criminals and rapists is racist.

    And i just posted an example of him from his own mouth saying he would consider requiring Muslims to be tracked in a database and carry special ID cards which is about as ? as you can ? get short of gas chambering people.
  • zzombie
    zzombie Members Posts: 11,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    SneakDZA wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    SneakDZA wrote: »
    Maybe you're defining "honest" different from me. I typically think it means someone who tells the truth and doesn't mislead, cheat or steal. I would never describe Donald Trump that way.

    Also his racism is well documented and frequent... I've never seen it exaggerated - it doesn't have to be. Should we ignore it because he's so flagrant about it?

    right in this thread he was compared to ? and is being called the next ? all over the internet by insane liberals and leftist
    Trump told Yahoo News that he would consider requiring Muslim-Americans to register with a government database, or worse, mandating that they carry special identification cards that note their faith.

    That's just one example that directly correlates to actual ? policies.

    you think that ? compares to what ? did??? ? please and by the way " muslim" is not a racial category
  • Mr.LV
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    Calling Trump a troll is giving him an excuse.The man is simply a racist
  • zzombie
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    and by the way lets not pretend that Mexicans and mexico aren't at the heart of much of the drug crime in America they import the ? into the nation and ? ? each other over it so please cry me a ? river for the Mexicans

    And we are at war with muslim nations.... so what the ? it only makes sense that we should keep an eye on those ?
  • Plutarch
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    SneakDZA wrote: »
    Ok maybe the dictionary you're using for "honest" also has a mistake in how they define "racist".

    Are you saying that my definition of "honest" was somehow mistaken? If so, then how?

    I would say that there is little-to no real consensus on the definition of"racism." The concept of race is pretty muddy. Still, I don't readily see any sharp divergences of how we might be defining racist.
    SneakDZA wrote: »
    Suggesting that a federal judge shouldn't not be allowed to be involved in a case against him because he's Mexican is racist.

    By "him," do you mean Trump? That obviously can be racist. I'm going to have to read up on it more to fully understand. It honestly doesn't seem to make much sense.
    SneakDZA wrote: »
    Being sued by the federal government (the gov't he's actually running to lead) for blatant housing discrimination against blacks is racist.

    Certainly. I'd like to read up on this too. Seems like a lot more people who do this needs to be confronted.
    SneakDZA wrote: »
    Saying that Mexicans in America are criminals and rapists is racist.

    See, I'm not so sure about this. For the time I read up on this, it seems like he didn't say this. It seems that he said that there are Mexican criminals and rapists who have crossed from Mexico into the United States. That is a fact and a serious one, imo.

    If you have the video or quotation of him saying that Mexicans in America are criminals and rapists, then could you please drop the link?
    SneakDZA wrote: »
    And i just posted an example of him from his own mouth saying he would consider requiring Muslims to be tracked in a database and carry special ID cards which is about as ? as you can ? get short of gas chambering people.

    I knew of this already. That's obviously stupid and, as I previously implied, most likely Islamophobic. But Islam is a religion, not a race. I'm not sold that he's racist against Arabs or Persians. Besides, I think it's more likely that he's pandering to his base, many of whom are racist without question.
  • SneakDZA
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    zzombie wrote: »
    SneakDZA wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    SneakDZA wrote: »
    Maybe you're defining "honest" different from me. I typically think it means someone who tells the truth and doesn't mislead, cheat or steal. I would never describe Donald Trump that way.

    Also his racism is well documented and frequent... I've never seen it exaggerated - it doesn't have to be. Should we ignore it because he's so flagrant about it?

    right in this thread he was compared to ? and is being called the next ? all over the internet by insane liberals and leftist
    Trump told Yahoo News that he would consider requiring Muslim-Americans to register with a government database, or worse, mandating that they carry special identification cards that note their faith.

    That's just one example that directly correlates to actual ? policies.

    you think that ? compares to what ? did??? ? please and by the way " muslim" is not a racial category

    It compares to something ? did, not everything he did.

    And the ? comparisons and the racism are two different things. That should be obvious.
  • JJ_Evans
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    zzombie wrote: »
    and by the way lets not pretend that Mexicans and mexico aren't at the heart of much of the drug crime in America they import the ? into the nation and ? ? each other over it so please cry me a ? river for the Mexicans

    And we are at war with muslim nations.... so what the ? it only makes sense that we should keep an eye on those ?

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  • Melqart
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    Plutarch wrote: »
    After some brief "research," I would say that the claim that Trump is "very" racist is more ? than true. I actually think that he, being white and wealthy (and more so, human), most certainly has a racist bone in his body. But that's just me talking ? without evidence. As of now, I haven't seen or read anything conclusive to suggest that he's this crazy racist people make him out to be.

    I could not easily find consistent evidence of him being racist even when I searched "Trump being racist." Instead, I found him sometimes being reasonable, sometimes stupid, sometimes rude, sometimes ignorant, etc. But not racist. Talking ? =/= racist. Criticizing Muslims =/= racist, as Islam is a religion. Condemning criminals from Mexico =/= isn't racist (people have even ran with him saying "they're rapists" when he actually said "their rapists"); as a matter of fact, in the midst of this crazy yet underrated War on Drugs, it's quite apt if you ask me.

    I saw nothing out of the typically ignorant ? that most people are on. That "Trump is ? " ? is a bunch of melodrama that you guys have turned into a big fad to follow. The simple point is that, whether or not he's racist, Trump is not qualified to be president. Why can't we focus more on that in order to discredit him?

    If anyone has any facts to counter this, feel free to post it. I'm an objective guy, so I'll be more than willing to change my opinion, and I actually want to, but I just don't see the evidence to do so.

    Does decades of blatant discrimination against blacks in apt rentals work? resulting in the largest government lawsuit of its time concerning housing?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-the-governments-racial-bias-case-against-donald-trumps-company-and-how-he-fought-it/2016/01/23/fb90163e-bfbe-11e5-bcda-62a36b394160_story.html

    I hope some of yall are this open minded when it comes to demonization of black celebs.
  • Melqart
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    Btw, the comparison of Trump to ? wasn't really about his racism. Atleast to the more informed progressive that made the comparison. It was more so about his very clear authoritarian/fascist leanings and declarations... and the fact that his style of populism is strikingly similar to how Adolf started out... with the xenophobic/racist tirades that tend to appeal greatly to the many closet authoritarians among us... which political scientists agree is a large part of his stunning ascent.

    http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism
  • stringer bell
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  • Swiffness!
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    Zzombie gonna be the first ? in the concentration camp. The cops won't believe him when he says "but I'm not even muslim!".
  • zzombie
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    Swiffness! wrote: »
    Zzombie gonna be the first ? in the concentration camp. The cops won't believe him when he says "but I'm not even muslim!".

    THERE won't be any concentration camps you cowardly conspiracy nut cases.
  • stringer bell
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  • xxCivicxx
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    SneakDZA wrote: »
    5th Letter wrote: »
    SneakDZA wrote: »
    Yeah I'm gonna just go ahead and not vote for the guy who got sued by the gov't for discriminating against black people and whose father was in the ? kkk and who is endorsed by neo-nazis and who refers to us as "the blacks".

    But you keep trying to hold out for some stuff. Good luck with that.

    I have no idea what you're talking about when in a previous post I said ? Trump. The difference is you probably think Hilary is "better". When I'm saying that they're the same. One is just open about their racism, while the other pretends that they're not racist. That's why I said ? both of them.

    They are absolutely not the same and saying they are is a sign of either being lazy or uninformed.

    Also notice that I didn't make any arguments based on what you "probably think" but rather on what you actually said? For the record I think Clinton is a ? .

    They are the exact same. They will both uphold white supremacy and follow he orders of big business period

    It's you that needs to do your research smh

    The most ignorant are always the most vocal
  • Jabu_Rule
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    People think ? invented his style. He only co-opted what was there already. The Jews were already hated by many and blamed for the state of the country post ww1. But even before then, there was antisemitism (a word invented by Germans in the 1800s). Mussolini invented the form of National Socialism that ? co-opted. All ? did was say a bunch of dumb ? and point fingers to rile of the fascist. He also appealed to white nationalism. He doesn't have to be a carbon copy, Donald Drumpf is following his ancestors playbook the same as ? .
  • xxCivicxx
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    Even conservative legal scholars say that Trump could threaten the rule of law and freedom of expression.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/04/us/politics/donald-trump-constitution-power.html?_r=0

    And whether he is a racist or not, he clearly encourages racism and emboldens racists. His most ardent supporters are racists, in large part. It would not be surprising if that support led a President Trump to try to implement the policies that they favor. Even if that doesn't happen, at a minimum he's clearly not gonna do anything for black people.

    By contrast, a case can be made that Clinton would do more for black people than even Obama: https://newrepublic.com/article/124391/yes-she-can

    Also, Trump is clearly not qualified to be president.

    Nothing more shows that a person doesn't know what he's talking about than when he says that Trump and Clinton are two sides of the same coin. This is idiocy of the highest order.

    Exhibit b

    Once again, Trump isn't gonna do anything that Clinton 1 didn't do in the 90s and Clinton 2 is doing now

    You ? think you're enlightened yet y'all waste time scripted political issues/events

    The next president has been selected for a while now and the common people had absolutely nothing to do with the selection

    Wake the ? up, Jesus christ
  • texas409
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    Too many words. You ? love to go off topic and argue bout some dumb ?