Nearly Half Of DC Employers Have Laid Off Workers, Cut Hours Due To Min. Wage Hike
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If you can't afford to pay your employees then your business is not viable.
I can afford to pay my employees What I WANT TO PAY THEM AND WHAT THEY DECIDE OF THEIR OWN FREEWILL TO ACCEPT AS PAYMENT.
A business being viable or not is decided by the market NOT YOU ? LEFTIST LIBERAL FASCIST IDIOTS
Ok so why is $8.25 ok? Why not $4.00 since I'm sure you'll find someone desperate enough to work for that? Or better yet why not get rid of the minimum wage altogether and have people working as sharecroppers for room and board?
I'll repeat this since you seem to have missed it... If you can't afford to pay your employees then you don't have a viable business.
And yes a business being viable is 100% decided by the market you dolt.
LEARN TO READ ? . let me say it again WHATEVER i decide to pay and whatever my employees decide to accept is what is enough be it $4 or $44
it should be my decision because the health of my business is my responsibility if someone does not wish to work for what i decide to pay them then they can simply go work for someone else. Since the pool of people in the labor force that would be willing to work for $4 is limited. There is a natural pressure on business owners to keep wages at a certain level commensurate with what other employers are paying their employees for the same or similar work. The problem with people like you is that you try to set that level for business owners.
By encouraging the government to interfere in areas of the market that it has no business being in you are ? things up for everybody
That limited pool of $4.00 workers would drive wages down even further as the holdouts would be unemployed until they're desperate enough to accept $4.00 as well and the greedy ? at the top who is seeing record profits decides that he can get away with paying $3.00.
This isn't conjecture... the minimum wage was created for a reason. If you want to know what happens when you let employers decide what they feel like paying people with no type of regulations all you have to do is ? open a history book.
FOH what a ridiculous argument... so you really think that without a minimum we would go back to the working conditions and wages of the the ? industrial revolution??? lol. You do know that there are 1st world nations that function just fine without minimum wages.
and the bold would only works for some jobs and these would most likely be the low skill jobs and low skill should mean low pay period.
LOL you mean Sweden, Norway, Switzerland and Denmark? Ok guess what else those countries have... universal health care, free college tuition, workers unions, tons of regulations specifically to protect workers and they are all relative socialist countries in general.
zombie is pro-socialism? now i've seen it all. -
If you can't afford to pay your employees then your business is not viable.
I can afford to pay my employees What I WANT TO PAY THEM AND WHAT THEY DECIDE OF THEIR OWN FREEWILL TO ACCEPT AS PAYMENT.
A business being viable or not is decided by the market NOT YOU ? LEFTIST LIBERAL FASCIST IDIOTS
Ok so why is $8.25 ok? Why not $4.00 since I'm sure you'll find someone desperate enough to work for that? Or better yet why not get rid of the minimum wage altogether and have people working as sharecroppers for room and board?
I'll repeat this since you seem to have missed it... If you can't afford to pay your employees then you don't have a viable business.
And yes a business being viable is 100% decided by the market you dolt.
LEARN TO READ ? . let me say it again WHATEVER i decide to pay and whatever my employees decide to accept is what is enough be it $4 or $44
it should be my decision because the health of my business is my responsibility if someone does not wish to work for what i decide to pay them then they can simply go work for someone else. Since the pool of people in the labor force that would be willing to work for $4 is limited. There is a natural pressure on business owners to keep wages at a certain level commensurate with what other employers are paying their employees for the same or similar work. The problem with people like you is that you try to set that level for business owners.
By encouraging the government to interfere in areas of the market that it has no business being in you are ? things up for everybody
That limited pool of $4.00 workers would drive wages down even further as the holdouts would be unemployed until they're desperate enough to accept $4.00 as well and the greedy ? at the top who is seeing record profits decides that he can get away with paying $3.00.
This isn't conjecture... the minimum wage was created for a reason. If you want to know what happens when you let employers decide what they feel like paying people with no type of regulations all you have to do is ? open a history book.
FOH what a ridiculous argument... so you really think that without a minimum we would go back to the working conditions and wages of the the ? industrial revolution??? lol. You do know that there are 1st world nations that function just fine without minimum wages.
and the bold would only works for some jobs and these would most likely be the low skill jobs and low skill should mean low pay period.
Programmers are now competing with low pay foreign workers. They are also getting low pay results. Even a low paying job is a job that needs to be done correctly. Over burdening your existing employees is a recipe for disaster. -
There are always options in life. I spoke on the short-sighted view being taken when everyone was excited about a raise to $15 minimum wage. As a low-skilled worker who can be replaced by anyone at any time, why the ? do u feel that companies are obligated to pay you a higher wage?? Real question.
Fast food, retail, etc. is ? kids in high school do. Your competition for the job that puts food on your table is still doing algebra. Think about that. And, increasingly, those jobs are becoming automated. It's a new world. Adapt, get a real trade or degree, or face the likelihood of homelessness. It's harsh, but that's where we are. Menial jobs are becoming obsolete -
manofmorehouse wrote: »Lol shout out to all the folks saying college ain't worth it. Unless you have your own business, inherited money, or lucked up in a position where u really don't need a degree for a livable wage, the college degree serves u well. Just don't major in philosophy or psychology or no ? like that
It's a way but it's not the only way
You just provided conditions where you wouldn't need a degree in the same post
It's actually probably not worth it depending on the end goal -
If you can't afford to pay your employees then your business is not viable.
I can afford to pay my employees What I WANT TO PAY THEM AND WHAT THEY DECIDE OF THEIR OWN FREEWILL TO ACCEPT AS PAYMENT.
A business being viable or not is decided by the market NOT YOU ? LEFTIST LIBERAL FASCIST IDIOTS
Ok so why is $8.25 ok? Why not $4.00 since I'm sure you'll find someone desperate enough to work for that? Or better yet why not get rid of the minimum wage altogether and have people working as sharecroppers for room and board?
I'll repeat this since you seem to have missed it... If you can't afford to pay your employees then you don't have a viable business.
And yes a business being viable is 100% decided by the market you dolt.
LEARN TO READ ? . let me say it again WHATEVER i decide to pay and whatever my employees decide to accept is what is enough be it $4 or $44
it should be my decision because the health of my business is my responsibility if someone does not wish to work for what i decide to pay them then they can simply go work for someone else. Since the pool of people in the labor force that would be willing to work for $4 is limited. There is a natural pressure on business owners to keep wages at a certain level commensurate with what other employers are paying their employees for the same or similar work. The problem with people like you is that you try to set that level for business owners.
By encouraging the government to interfere in areas of the market that it has no business being in you are ? things up for everybody
That limited pool of $4.00 workers would drive wages down even further as the holdouts would be unemployed until they're desperate enough to accept $4.00 as well and the greedy ? at the top who is seeing record profits decides that he can get away with paying $3.00.
This isn't conjecture... the minimum wage was created for a reason. If you want to know what happens when you let employers decide what they feel like paying people with no type of regulations all you have to do is ? open a history book.
FOH what a ridiculous argument... so you really think that without a minimum we would go back to the working conditions and wages of the the ? industrial revolution??? lol. You do know that there are 1st world nations that function just fine without minimum wages.
and the bold would only works for some jobs and these would most likely be the low skill jobs and low skill should mean low pay period.
LOL you mean Sweden, Norway, Switzerland and Denmark? Ok guess what else those countries have... universal health care, free college tuition, workers unions, tons of regulations specifically to protect workers and they are all relative socialist countries in general.
zombie is pro-socialism? now i've seen it all.
I am not nor will i ever be pro-socialism i am however pro-labor union because it's an extension of the right to associate and if a group of workers wants to privately bargain with their employers then that is fine but GOVERNMENT TELLING ME I HAVE TO PAY people what they say i have to pay is ? and by the way private bargaining is not an example of socialism
I WANT FREEDOM TO DO AS I PLEASE. -
If you can't afford to pay your employees then your business is not viable.
I can afford to pay my employees What I WANT TO PAY THEM AND WHAT THEY DECIDE OF THEIR OWN FREEWILL TO ACCEPT AS PAYMENT.
A business being viable or not is decided by the market NOT YOU ? LEFTIST LIBERAL FASCIST IDIOTS
Ok so why is $8.25 ok? Why not $4.00 since I'm sure you'll find someone desperate enough to work for that? Or better yet why not get rid of the minimum wage altogether and have people working as sharecroppers for room and board?
I'll repeat this since you seem to have missed it... If you can't afford to pay your employees then you don't have a viable business.
And yes a business being viable is 100% decided by the market you dolt.
LEARN TO READ ? . let me say it again WHATEVER i decide to pay and whatever my employees decide to accept is what is enough be it $4 or $44
it should be my decision because the health of my business is my responsibility if someone does not wish to work for what i decide to pay them then they can simply go work for someone else. Since the pool of people in the labor force that would be willing to work for $4 is limited. There is a natural pressure on business owners to keep wages at a certain level commensurate with what other employers are paying their employees for the same or similar work. The problem with people like you is that you try to set that level for business owners.
By encouraging the government to interfere in areas of the market that it has no business being in you are ? things up for everybody
That limited pool of $4.00 workers would drive wages down even further as the holdouts would be unemployed until they're desperate enough to accept $4.00 as well and the greedy ? at the top who is seeing record profits decides that he can get away with paying $3.00.
This isn't conjecture... the minimum wage was created for a reason. If you want to know what happens when you let employers decide what they feel like paying people with no type of regulations all you have to do is ? open a history book.
FOH what a ridiculous argument... so you really think that without a minimum we would go back to the working conditions and wages of the the ? industrial revolution??? lol. You do know that there are 1st world nations that function just fine without minimum wages.
and the bold would only works for some jobs and these would most likely be the low skill jobs and low skill should mean low pay period.
Programmers are now competing with low pay foreign workers. They are also getting low pay results. Even a low paying job is a job that needs to be done correctly. Over burdening your existing employees is a recipe for disaster.
government should stop that. Period HIRING SOMEONE else from another nation to create computer programs could be dangerous to nations security.
I AGREE with you and i try to make sure that the businesses i own major parts of don't do that however that is a decision that me and my partners should be free to make we should not all but be forced into it making it by the government -
manofmorehouse wrote: »Lol shout out to all the folks saying college ain't worth it. Unless you have your own business, inherited money, or lucked up in a position where u really don't need a degree for a livable wage, the college degree serves u well. Just don't major in philosophy or psychology or no ? like that
Psych majors make good money...very good money. Its better to say study how much you can earn with your degree than declaring outright what is worthless and what isn't -
manofmorehouse wrote: »Lol shout out to all the folks saying college ain't worth it. Unless you have your own business, inherited money, or lucked up in a position where u really don't need a degree for a livable wage, the college degree serves u well. Just don't major in philosophy or psychology or no ? like that
Psych majors make good money...very good money. Its better to say study how much you can earn with your degree than declaring outright what is worthless and what isn't
i know ? with masters in social work making 80K working at the VA hospital. -
manofmorehouse wrote: »Lol shout out to all the folks saying college ain't worth it. Unless you have your own business, inherited money, or lucked up in a position where u really don't need a degree for a livable wage, the college degree serves u well. Just don't major in philosophy or psychology or no ? like that
Psych majors make good money...very good money. Its better to say study how much you can earn with your degree than declaring outright what is worthless and what isn't
http://salary.com/8-college-degrees-with-the-worst-return-on-investment/slide/10/ -
manofmorehouse wrote: »manofmorehouse wrote: »Lol shout out to all the folks saying college ain't worth it. Unless you have your own business, inherited money, or lucked up in a position where u really don't need a degree for a livable wage, the college degree serves u well. Just don't major in philosophy or psychology or no ? like that
Psych majors make good money...very good money. Its better to say study how much you can earn with your degree than declaring outright what is worthless and what isn't
http://salary.com/8-college-degrees-with-the-worst-return-on-investment/slide/10/
My wife has her masters in psych...I think I'd know how much money she makes...trust me we ain't hurting at all -
manofmorehouse wrote: »Lol shout out to all the folks saying college ain't worth it. Unless you have your own business, inherited money, or lucked up in a position where u really don't need a degree for a livable wage, the college degree serves u well. Just don't major in philosophy or psychology or no ? like that
Psych majors make good money...very good money. Its better to say study how much you can earn with your degree than declaring outright what is worthless and what isn't
i know ? with masters in social work making 80K working at the VA hospital.
Yup...like I said its best to research what specific part of a field you wanna go into. Plus more degrees and certifications you get leads to higher salaries...being educated about your career and how much you can earn don't stop once you get hired...too many don't realize that -
Just make it $10 an hour in all 50 states.
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It was proven if McDonald's execs would take a few mill less a year a pay increase from minimum wage is doable... It starts at the top.
This mind set of “hey if they can pay them that little and get away with it they should"...is how the 1% stay the 1% and opportunities remain out of reach -
retailers ain't ? .
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Everybody always takes the perpetual victim role. Its always the big faceless company out to get us, huh
It ain't just retailers its everyday people, business owners, mom n pops. People aint in this business to make other people comfortable.
Objective #1 is feed your family. Tough brwak but nothing happens on an island. If i take home 70k and thats just enough to feed my 3 kids, and now you askin me to take home 50? Yea i think i can handle cleaning duties myself. Ol boy gotta go. Simple economics.
You're talking about paying employees $11.50 an hour instead of $8.25. In 2016.
Cry me a river talking about these poor victimized business owners that can no longer starve their employees. I couldn't take $8.25/hour to play video games and eat tacos all day let alone do actual work.
then don't take THE ? JOB just don't knock the food crumbs out of the mouth of those who are willing to have no choice but to work for that 8.25
Fixed in order to give perspective on the reality of how exploitation works.
It's not exploitation, people are paid what they are worth to the organization they work for.
If i cannot afford to pay my employees more then why should i be forced to do so??? people like you are only going to cause economic turmoil and suffering. Leave businesses alone and let the market take care of who gets paid what.
I have to disagree my company ain't ? lol every company around us get $2500 bonuses for and ? . Are company is just as good or better than there's and they give us $25 gift cards for Christmas. But they can afford to give the supervisors $1000 bonus or take them out to eat when we're the ones doing all the real work -
retailers ain't ? .
:joy:
Everybody always takes the perpetual victim role. Its always the big faceless company out to get us, huh
It ain't just retailers its everyday people, business owners, mom n pops. People aint in this business to make other people comfortable.
Objective #1 is feed your family. Tough brwak but nothing happens on an island. If i take home 70k and thats just enough to feed my 3 kids, and now you askin me to take home 50? Yea i think i can handle cleaning duties myself. Ol boy gotta go. Simple economics.
You're talking about paying employees $11.50 an hour instead of $8.25. In 2016.
Cry me a river talking about these poor victimized business owners that can no longer starve their employees. I couldn't take $8.25/hour to play video games and eat tacos all day let alone do actual work.
then don't take THE ? JOB just don't knock the food crumbs out of the mouth of those who are willing to have no choice but to work for that 8.25
Fixed in order to give perspective on the reality of how exploitation works.
It's not exploitation, people are paid what they are worth to the organization they work for.
If i cannot afford to pay my employees more then why should i be forced to do so??? people like you are only going to cause economic turmoil and suffering. Leave businesses alone and let the market take care of who gets paid what.
I have to disagree my company ain't ? lol every company around us get $2500 bonuses for and ? . Are company is just as good or better than there's and they give us $25 gift cards for Christmas. But they can afford to give the supervisors $1000 bonus or take them out to eat when we're the ones doing all the real work
bonuses are extras the decisions to give bonuses and at what level come down to whatever management is planing long term and what the financial planing and situation is for that firm. Your company maybe doing better partially because they don't give you those bonuses and instead take that money and use it more effectively.
the work supervisors are do is often more vital to the comprehensive running of the organization because they implement the wishes and plans of management and it's managements job to see the whole picture and plan for the future as well as to stay competitive to the other firms in the industry. -
Fixed, they're about the only ones that can really afford to pay their employees way more than they currently make. Raising the wage to $20 wouldn't hurt Walmart or McDonald's, but Mom and Pop spots are living the everyday struggle unless they have extremely generous and very loyal clientele.BIG BOX retailers ain't ? .
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The fight for 15 won't like the end result. They are already automating the order systems - from people's phones or having people order at computerized kiosks.
Im lukewarm on the minimum wage, it has to be the right amount and there should be flexibility to pay people under 19. I'd say $9/hr minimum and $7.75 for people 19 or younger would be my numbers.
I'd prefer big investment in retraining, I liked Pres Obamas community college push, we need self employed plumbers, welders, mechanics, machinists - all these require some proficiency in math, reading, writing.
I'm for a strong Dept of labor as well, if you're being cheated out of wages, there should be someone to investigate and fight on your behalf.
The rule the dept of labor passed for managers and OT pay was a smart one. -
This is why capitalism, and all the other "isms" (Socialism, Communism) are double-edged swords.
The Plutocrats (ie. Transnational corporations) like Walmart bought off former D.C Mayor Vincent Gray, when no Walmart's existed in D.C.
A "wink and a nod" deal was hastily done so Walmart could have cheap labor (which ultimately crushed a lot of mom & pop stores in D.C.
Those greedy ? refused to pay their employees $12.00 an hour. Now that the fight for $15.00 has crystallized nationwide, Walmart has reneged on a deal to build 2 stores in D.C's poorest black neighborhoods (or so-called food deserts) where access to healthy fruits & vegetables are limited.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/district-leaders-furious-walmart-wont-build-stores-in-poor-neighborhoods/2016/01/15/3425f5fa-bbb3-11e5-99f3-184bc379b12d_story.html -
manofmorehouse wrote: »Lol shout out to all the folks saying college ain't worth it. Unless you have your own business, inherited money, or lucked up in a position where u really don't need a degree for a livable wage, the college degree serves u well. Just don't major in philosophy or psychology or no ? like that
nah man.... One of the most successful people I know is a ? art history major. you can do a lot with those degrees. -
Until America produces for itself and finds niche markets with more skilled workers and flexible work plans that benefit and protect the working class we are going to regress further
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Made a thread about this month's ago..pointing out this would happen, got called stupid and a ? .
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Thats on obama ? ass
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the dukester wrote: »This is why capitalism, and all the other "isms" (Socialism, Communism) are double-edged swords.
The Plutocrats (ie. Transnational corporations) like Walmart bought off former D.C Mayor Vincent Gray, when no Walmart's existed in D.C.
A "wink and a nod" deal was hastily done so Walmart could have cheap labor (which ultimately crushed a lot of mom & pop stores in D.C.
Those greedy ? refused to pay their employees $12.00 an hour. Now that the fight for $15.00 has crystallized nationwide, Walmart has reneged on a deal to build 2 stores in D.C's poorest black neighborhoods (or so-called food deserts) where access to healthy fruits & vegetables are limited.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/district-leaders-furious-walmart-wont-build-stores-in-poor-neighborhoods/2016/01/15/3425f5fa-bbb3-11e5-99f3-184bc379b12d_story.html
Wal Mart would hire more people than mom and pop shops right?
This needs nuance, wal mart is a ? no doubt, but you have to weigh pros and cons.
$15 minimum wage is not realistic in the current environment. Retrain those workers so they can justify higher salaries/wages.
I don't know this as a fact but anecdotally it feels like business lending is down, more of it has to be secured by assets, and this hurts the mom and pop stores from being able to compete even as a niche. Plus there are so few black owned full grocery stores, it's embarrassing. -
manofmorehouse wrote: »Lol shout out to all the folks saying college ain't worth it. Unless you have your own business, inherited money, or lucked up in a position where u really don't need a degree for a livable wage, the college degree serves u well. Just don't major in philosophy or psychology or no ? like that
Psych majors make good money...very good money. Its better to say study how much you can earn with your degree than declaring outright what is worthless and what isn't
i know ? with masters in social work making 80K working at the VA hospital.
Yup...like I said its best to research what specific part of a field you wanna go into. Plus more degrees and certifications you get leads to higher salaries...being educated about your career and how much you can earn don't stop once you get hired...too many don't realize that
True I been faking on getting my CPA b/c i make a pretty good salary now and i spend so much of my free time mentoring...but I'm bout to get motivated and take that final step. -
NoNudesMagoo wrote: »Made a thread about this month's ago..pointing out this would happen, got called stupid and a ? .
but that could b any thread though
