jay-z reasonble doubt vs biggie ready to die which album is more lyrical
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The Notorious B.I.G. - Ready to Die
The Notorious B.I.G. Is The Greatest MC Of All Time. -
Biggie the most overrated ever.....jayz is a much better rapper
That's completely false, the only reason you're saying that is because you're a Tupac fan.
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water ur seeds wrote: »Two different albums, I can really compare them as they are both great for different reasons...
You cant say Jays more lyrical just because his rhymes were more intricate with different meanings and double/triple entendre etc that isnt for me the ONLY way to be lyrical... For instance, Biggie's story telling is clearer, his flow was consistently better, so in that department Biggie is morel lyrical...
Both are classics...
Storytelling and flow have nothing to do with lyricism. Lyricism is how you bend and put together words. -
Reasonable doubt
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The Notorious B.I.G. - Ready to Die
The Notorious B.I.G. Is The Greatest MC Of All Time.
Salute Bro......I don't know what these ? are smoking. Biggie was lyrical but so gifted that he made it look so easy.
With Biggie even when you don't understand his lyrics You will still feel connected to the line or song......."It's gonna be a lotta slow singing and flower bringing if my burglar alarm starts ringing" and y'all say The Goat wasn't lyrical??
Ready to Die ? and ILLMATIC and reasonable doubt combined if y'all doubt me ask the west coast what rap about took their reign and brought it back to East
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So now biggie wasnt lyrical? wtf is wrong with you ? ?
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water ur seeds wrote: »Two different albums, I can really compare them as they are both great for different reasons...
You cant say Jays more lyrical just because his rhymes were more intricate with different meanings and double/triple entendre etc that isnt for me the ONLY way to be lyrical... For instance, Biggie's story telling is clearer, his flow was consistently better, so in that department Biggie is morel lyrical...
Both are classics...
Storytelling and flow have nothing to do with lyricism. Lyricism is how you bend and put together words.
Biggie was great at Storytelling, Flow, & Lyricism. Seriously Biggie knew how to put his words together and ride the beat. -
water ur seeds wrote: »Two different albums, I can really compare them as they are both great for different reasons...
You cant say Jays more lyrical just because his rhymes were more intricate with different meanings and double/triple entendre etc that isnt for me the ONLY way to be lyrical... For instance, Biggie's story telling is clearer, his flow was consistently better, so in that department Biggie is morel lyrical...
Both are classics...
Storytelling and flow have nothing to do with lyricism.
Lyricism is how you bend and put together words.
@ the first bold IMO it does... Lyrical for me is ALSO using your words, your voice, your LYRICS to paint pictures = telling stories...
@ your second bold... Surely that is all part of storytelling??? Bending words to EMPHASISE a situation or part of a story and putting words together to paint that picture I was talking about...
Like I said, IMO theres more then one layer to being lyrical...
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Storytelling has everything to do with lyricism... Listen, if you voted for Jay that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion but don't try to change up ? just so your vote would work. Thats the first time I've ever heard someone say that ?
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Jay Z bit whole verses from Biggie... whole verses! And you want to put Jigga lyrically ahead of B.I.G. SMH!
I couldn't believe the first time I heard "I Just Want To Love U" by Jay Z... -
If storytelling is lyricism then ya'll are saying Too Short is a great lyricist?
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whoseworldisthis wrote: »Jay Z bit whole verses from Biggie... whole verses! And you want to put Jigga lyrically ahead of B.I.G. SMH!
I couldn't believe the first time I heard "I Just Want To Love U" by Jay Z...
learn the difference between a verse and a bar. -
If storytelling is lyricism then ya'll are saying Too Short is a great lyricist?
To a degree, but I was mainly trying to refer to the way BIG delivered a story... -
whoseworldisthis wrote: »Jay Z bit whole verses from Biggie... whole verses! And you want to put Jigga lyrically ahead of B.I.G. SMH!
I couldn't believe the first time I heard "I Just Want To Love U" by Jay Z...
learn the difference between a verse and a bar.
? outta here... trying to school me when Jigga's one of the biggest biters in the game -
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and don't even get me started how Jay Z jacked Young Chris' whole flow on some of his newer albums...
it is as bad as Desiigner jackin' Future's flow -
whoseworldisthis wrote: »
I dont mind Jay's 'bitting', it is kind of tilting his cap to the legends or the original tune... But its annoying when people and/or the younger generation dont know of the original...
I skipped through the video, but I think they missed out some Ice T and LL Cool J rhymes too??? And Im sure years ago I noticed an Eric Sermon lyric, but I cant think which one now...
Still Jay is one of the GOATS and Im sure most rappers have 'borrowed' or 'tilted their cap' to another rappers tune... But Jay does seemed to have done it alot haha -
"...Excuse me, flows just grow through me
Like trees to branches, cliffs to avalanches
It's the praying mantis, deep like the mind of Farrakhan
A ? rap phenomenon..." -
water ur seeds wrote: »whoseworldisthis wrote: »
I dont mind Jay's 'bitting', it is kind of tilting his cap to the legends or the original tune... But its annoying when people and/or the younger generation dont know of the original...
I skipped through the video, but I think they missed out some Ice T and LL Cool J rhymes too??? And Im sure years ago I noticed an Eric Sermon lyric, but I cant think which one now...
Still Jay is one of the GOATS and Im sure most rappers have 'borrowed' or 'tilted their cap' to another rappers tune... But Jay does seemed to have done it alot haha
This is just ONE of the Jay Z bitin' videos... there used to be 3 or 4 more of them on youtube around the time Camron and Jigga were beefin'
Jay Z is one of the greats, no doubt... but he "borrows" a lot of other peoples stuff and passes it off as his own
Mainstream listeners didn't know the "when the Remy's in the system" rhyme scheme was Biggie's when he rhymed that, it wasn't even from a commerically released song... same with the "hard ? and bubblegum" line which was off of a Big L underground freestyle
I've heard other rappers do this but it is usually something like when Phife Dawg said "Refuse to compete with BS competition...Your name ain't Special Ed so won't you seckle with the mission"... he borrows a line and shouts out the originator at the same time -
The Notorious B.I.G. - Unbelievable
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Correction: I forgot Diddy re-used Biggie's "Remy verse" on Life After Death... still, the song "The World is Filled" wasn't exactly a number one smash like some of the other tracks on that double CD
that B.I.G. song wasn't even on some versions of Life After Death... -
If storytelling is lyricism then ya'll are saying Too Short is a great lyricist?
You can tell a story AND be lyrical at the same time. -
TS needs to define "lyricism".
I ? heavy with RD and Jay but damn, go listen that first first of Ready To Die and tell me Big wasn't more lyrical.
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As I grab the glock, put it to your headpiece
One in the chamber, the safety is off release
Straight at your dome homes, I wanna see cabbage
Biggie Smalls the savage, doin your brain cells much damage
Teflon is the material for the imperial
mic ripper girl stripper the Henny sipper
I drop lyrics off and on like a lightswitch
Quick to grab the right ? and make her drive
the Q-45, glocks and tecs are expected when I wreck ?
Respect is collected, so check it
I got techniques drippin out my ?
Sleep on my stomach so I don't ? up my sheets, huh
My ? is deep, deeper than my grave G
I'm ready to die and nobody can save me
? the world, ? my moms and my girl
My life is played out like a jheri curl, I'm ready to die" -
To me RD is slightly more lyrical cause its more intricate.RTD is more flow driven and in your face lyricism a la Ice cube
Reasonable doubt is the Movie FRESH ,Ready To Die is New Jack City , Both classics but you gotta use your brain more when listening to Reasonable doubt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqScH2CfYTg
