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KamPushMe
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? has to be considered a top 10 album of AT

https://youtu.be/6UDNxvEsLtE

https://youtu.be/FvJfsIpl16g

https://youtu.be/kC7VgnsVAm8

Or at least top 15

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  • And_So_It_Burns
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    It's a good album. By no means is it a top 15 album. There were even a few albums better than the 18th letter the year it dropped
  • KamPushMe
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    It's a good album. By no means is it a top 15 album. There were even a few albums better than the 18th letter the year it dropped

    Yeah only like 4 or 5
  • KamPushMe
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    Shine permanently only my mind's concerning me
    Fire burns in me eternally time's eternity
    Followers turn on me they'll be in a mental infirmary
    Determinedly advance technology better than Germany
    Since the first days you know of, till the last days is over
    I was always the flow-er, I made waves for Noah
    From a compound, to the anatomy, to the breakdown of a atom
    Some of my rap patterns, still surround Saturn
    From the ancient Hieroglyphics, to graffiti painted pictures
    I study I know the scriptures but nowadays ain't it vicious



    Ra can't be ? with!!
  • tompetrez3
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    Sleeper album of 97. Underrated lyrical performance and hard hitting production. IMO his return did not get the fanfare it should of recieved. He came back right at the height of shiny suit era. Universal was the worst label a rapper could sign to at the time (pre CMR) so not only was the album poorly promoted (cheesy return video smh) but it was initally expensive because it was packaged as a double album with his greatest hits. It was $31.99 at my local record spot on CD and sat until 1998 when single CD versions of 18th letter started coming in.
  • KamPushMe
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    No respect for rakim Allah
  • jono
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    Good album but thats it.
  • Preach2Teach
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    I need to give it another listen not too familiar with that album, but Rakim is the man.
  • lethal5
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    KamPushMe wrote: »
    ? has to be considered a top 10 album of AT

    https://youtu.be/6UDNxvEsLtE

    https://youtu.be/FvJfsIpl16g

    https://youtu.be/kC7VgnsVAm8

    Or at least top 15

    How u not post New York, I still give the that song major play
  • KamPushMe
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    Is it the production? The singles? The concept? Cause I know damn well it ain't the lyrics. Why can't this be considered a top 15 album? Someone inform me.
  • lordstanley
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    ? is fire and a classic, that's facts
  • Weazel
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    18th letter?, I knew Rakim before
    But ? , when this album dropped
    I became even a bigger fan of Rakim

    He wasn't "this oldschool legend" anymore
    In my book, he dropped a current classic that day

    Great album
  • THE_R_
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    I DUG THIS ALBUM...
    RA DID A GOOD JOB MODERNIZING HIS STYLE W/ THIS ONE...
  • Muhannad
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    TS must be young. The 18th letter was aiight but it wasn't well received when it dropped. Heads expected more. 3.5 or 4 mic album.
  • KamPushMe
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    Muhannad wrote: »
    TS must be young. The 18th letter was aiight but it wasn't well received when it dropped. Heads expected more. 3.5 or 4 mic album.
    It's still a dope ass album. His lyrics are phenomenal
  • 5 Grand
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    tompetrez3 wrote: »
    Sleeper album of 97. Underrated lyrical performance and hard hitting production. IMO his return did not get the fanfare it should of recieved. He came back right at the height of shiny suit era. Universal was the worst label a rapper could sign to at the time (pre CMR) so not only was the album poorly promoted (cheesy return video smh) but it was initally expensive because it was packaged as a double album with his greatest hits. It was $31.99 at my local record spot on CD and sat until 1998 when single CD versions of 18th letter started coming in.

    Cosign.

    I remember the day it dropped. I copped it. In fact, I was living in New York and there was a store called Harlem Music Hut that released it a few days before it dropped.

    Anyway, it was a solid album and he had DJ Premiere, Clark Kent and a few other well known producers at the time but for some reason he didn't hire Puff Daddy to lace him with 2 or 3 tracks. If he had some beats by Puffy (or D Dot) with easy to recognize samples that girls liked it would have been a 5 mic classic. Unfortunately he was aiming for ? Hip Hop heads and quite frankly, Mos Def and Talib Kweli did it better.

    He needed some Club Bangers and thats what Puffy was doing at the time. He was lacing people with hits.

    Still a solid album though.
  • Ether44mag
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    its a very good album ,underrated even ...but top 10 ?? come on man the beats were too weak to even be top 25 but the lyrics are A1 as usual for RA
  • bck145
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    album was a snoozefest
  • 5 Grand
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    Lets put it like this; Life After Death and Wu Tang Forever came out first
  • KamPushMe
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    bck145 wrote: »
    album was a snoozefest

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  • KamPushMe
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    5 Grand wrote: »
    Lets put it like this; Life After Death and Wu Tang Forever came out first

    Like I said earlier, only 4 or 5 are legitimately better than this that came out that year.
  • 5 Grand
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    Album would have been 5 mics with a beat from RZA and a beat from Puffy.
  • grYmes
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    At the time it was disappointing only because of Rakims track record up to that point. Still a solid album, but I don't rank it up there with his earlier albums personally.
  • bck145
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    KamPushMe wrote: »
    bck145 wrote: »
    album was a snoozefest

    Flagged

    Cool story bro
  • Muhannad
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    5 Grand wrote: »
    tompetrez3 wrote: »
    Sleeper album of 97. Underrated lyrical performance and hard hitting production. IMO his return did not get the fanfare it should of recieved. He came back right at the height of shiny suit era. Universal was the worst label a rapper could sign to at the time (pre CMR) so not only was the album poorly promoted (cheesy return video smh) but it was initally expensive because it was packaged as a double album with his greatest hits. It was $31.99 at my local record spot on CD and sat until 1998 when single CD versions of 18th letter started coming in.

    Cosign.

    I remember the day it dropped. I copped it. In fact, I was living in New York and there was a store called Harlem Music Hut that released it a few days before it dropped.

    Anyway, it was a solid album and he had DJ Premiere, Clark Kent and a few other well known producers at the time but for some reason he didn't hire Puff Daddy to lace him with 2 or 3 tracks. If he had some beats by Puffy (or D Dot) with easy to recognize samples that girls liked it would have been a 5 mic classic. Unfortunately he was aiming for ? Hip Hop heads and quite frankly, Mos Def and Talib Kweli did it better.

    He needed some Club Bangers and thats what Puffy was doing at the time. He was lacing people with hits.

    Still a solid album though.
    He had to to cater to his core fanbase. This album was heavily anticipated. If he would've jumped on a jiggy beat, heads would've complained he sold out. That album would've been received even worse. "Guess who's back" did moderately well.
  • za'kiss
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    I consider it a classic. Not a top 10 or even top 20 album, but enough to solidfy Rakim in my top 5 MCs.