The New York Times Just Accidentally Proved US Elections Are Illegitimate

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The New York Times published an visit this link interesting analysis Monday morning that showed only 9 percent of the country voted for either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump in the primary elections. That figure counts all citizens of the U.S., including children and felons — neither of whom have the right to vote.

When counting only eligible voters, the number rises to a paltry 14 percent. This is the total between Trump and Clinton combined, which means the number of people who voted for just one of these candidates is actually much lower.

While these statistics seem surprisingly low, the New York Times reminds us that the data on primary voters this year is nearly identical to figures on voter participation in the 2008 primaries. While many Americans may be disconcerted by these statistics, which show that a very small minority of voters are choosing the candidates who will eventually rule over the rest of the country, this is nothing new.



The United States is supposed to be a democratic republic where the entire population is represented by people elected to do their bidding. But how can politicians claim to have a legitimate mandate to create laws that affect the entire population when they are put in place by a fraction of said population?

General elections, though, historically attract more voters than primaries do. In the 2012 election, President Obama was elected with 51.1 percent of the popular vote, compared to 47.2 for Mitt Romney. But only 57.5 percent of the voting population cast their ballots, meaning President Obama still only visit this link secured the votes of 29 percent of voters.

While the media tells a tale of a divided country, wherein 50 percent of the public falls into the Democratic Party and the other half aligns with the Republican Party, the truth is much more concerning. The U.S. government is elected by a handful of dedicated partisan voters, and disenfranchised non-voters often have that minority’s opinion forced onto them. This isn’t democracy, it’s rule by the minority. But it gets worse.

As Anti-Media recently reported, a new poll from Pew Research Center shows the most ardent voters are not necessarily proud of their own party’s platform; rather, they are simply more scared of the other party’s. “In other words, a voter’s dislike of others is a greater driving force in politics than their affinity for their own party. As the Pew survey found, ‘those who associate three or more negative traits with people in the opposing party (as 37% of Democrats and 44% of Republicans do) participate in politics at the highest rates.’”

This trend can basically explain the entire 2016 presidential election so far. But it still gets even worse.

Regardless of whether or not hyper-partisans’ candidates of choice win or lose, those politicians rarely actually represent their views — nor do they care to. Rather, visit this link as a 2014 Cambridge University study, often referred to as the “oligarchy study,” concluded, “economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence.” This research reinforces a recent Boston Globe article entitled, visit this link “Vote all you want. The secret government won’t change.”

This brings us to the final question: are voters to blame for their lack of participation?

No, they are not. It’s not the public’s fault for becoming disillusioned with a system that has forgotten them. All the votes in the world would not have stopped the DNC from tampering with the 2016 primary, and nearly all the candidates who are legitimately elected by voters don’t bother listening to them once they get to Washington, anyway.

We don’t have a democratic system anymore. We have a government made up of politicians who were elected by a small minority of hyper-partisan voters, and that political apparatus rules in the interests of an even smaller minority of hyper-rich elites. The fact that American politicians cannot inspire an actual majority to vote for them renders the current elections illegitimate.

At this point, a protest non-vote or voting third-party is more effective than an angry partisan vote because you are sending a clear message that the majority does not consent to our supposed mandated rulers. Now it’s time for the people who didn’t vote for the politicians in power to have their representation.

And about that timeless saying, “If you don’t vote, you have no right to complain” — perhaps the opposite is true.
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  • jono
    jono Members Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    brown321 wrote: »
    We are not required to vote homie.
    The election might be illegitimate, but this is not why.

    Exactly. You never really find huge turnouts for elections especially local elections.

    I dabbled with the idea that the US needs to go with the Australian model of mandatory voting for everyone. I'm not so sure about it now.
  • fortyacres
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    I dont read tweets from traitors breh.
  • rapmusic
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    this also proves that people choose to listen to the media when they want to.
  • Jabu_Rule
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    9.9% voted in the 2012 primary. Will not hold sway over a sensationalized headline to rile up the natives.
    Percentage of Americans Eligible to Vote: 68.6%
    Percentage of Americans Registered to Vote: 45.9%

    Percentage of Americans Who Voted in 2008 Primary: 18.2%
    Percentage of Americans Who Nominated Obama in 2008: 5.85%
    Percentage of Americans Who Nominated McCain in 2008: 3.3%

    Percentage of Americans Who Voted in 2008 Election: 42.61%
    Percentage of Americans Who Voted for Obama in 2008: 22.9%
    Percentage of Americans Who Voted for McCain in 2008: 19.7%

    Percentage of Americans Who Voted in 2012 Primary: 9.9%
    Percentage of Americans Who Nominated Obama in 2012: 1.9%
    Percentage of Americans Who Nominated Romney in 2012: 3.1%

    Percentage of Americans Who Voted in 2012 Election: 39.8%
    Percentage of Americans Who Voted for Obama in 2012: 20.7%
    Percentage of Americans Who Voted for Romney in 2012: 19.1%

    Percentage of Americans Who Voted in 2016 Primary: 18%
    Percentage of Americans Who Nominated Clinton in 2016: 5.3%
    Percentage of Americans Who Nominated Trump in 2016: 4.4%
    Percentage of Americans Who Nominated Johnson in 2016: .006%
    Percentage of Americans Who Nominated Stein in 2016: .004%
  • powerman 5000
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    jill stein might be okay if she were running a walking dead like compound but judging by the ? gary johnson says sometimes, I'm not even sure he knows what a libertarian is...
  • StoneColdMikey
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  • semi-auto-mato
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    Felons can vote. I couldn't vote when I was on parole but once that was terminated my voting rights were restored. U get them back before u get ur driving privileges back
  • Fosheezy
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    Uh...This just in: The Holy Bible indirectly proves ? BEEN the one deciding this whole time who is appointed to presidential office.
    When it comes to voters not really having a say so, this article and the Bible agree!

    That is why your vote does not "matter" in terms of changing the outcome.
  • Jabu_Rule
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    Felons can vote. I couldn't vote when I was on parole but once that was terminated my voting rights were restored. U get them back before u get ur driving privileges back

    It depends on the State.
  • kzzl
    kzzl Members Posts: 7,548 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Fosheezy wrote: »
    Uh...This just in: The Holy Bible indirectly proves ? BEEN the one deciding this whole time who is appointed to presidential office.
    When it comes to voters not really having a say so, this article and the Bible agree!

    That is why your vote does not "matter" in terms of changing the outcome.

    Prove it.
  • King Erauno
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    this is why i havent voted in years
  • Neophyte Wolfgang
    Neophyte Wolfgang Members Posts: 4,169 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    "conspiracy theorist" been knew this, you guys a 100 years late
  • A Talented One
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    This doesn't prove that the US elections are illegitimate.
  • Fosheezy
    Fosheezy Members Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    kzzl wrote: »
    Fosheezy wrote: »
    Uh...This just in: The Holy Bible indirectly proves ? BEEN the one deciding this whole time who is appointed to presidential office.
    When it comes to voters not really having a say so, this article and the Bible agree!

    That is why your vote does not "matter" in terms of changing the outcome.

    Prove it.
    As reference:
    And he changeth the times and the seasons; He removeth
    kings, and setteth up kings;
    he giveth wisdom unto the wise,
    and knowledge to them that know understanding. He revealeth
    the deep and secret things; he knoweth what is in the darkness,
    and the light dwelleth with him."
    ( Dn 2: 20-2)



    "While the word was in the king's mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee. And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts
    of the field; they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the Most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever He will."
    ( Dn 4: 31-32 )

    I mean there's more but that's plain as day
  • kzzl
    kzzl Members Posts: 7,548 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Fosheezy wrote: »
    kzzl wrote: »
    Fosheezy wrote: »
    Uh...This just in: The Holy Bible indirectly proves ? BEEN the one deciding this whole time who is appointed to presidential office.
    When it comes to voters not really having a say so, this article and the Bible agree!

    That is why your vote does not "matter" in terms of changing the outcome.

    Prove it.
    As reference:
    And he changeth the times and the seasons; He removeth
    kings, and setteth up kings;
    he giveth wisdom unto the wise,
    and knowledge to them that know understanding. He revealeth
    the deep and secret things; he knoweth what is in the darkness,
    and the light dwelleth with him."
    ( Dn 2: 20-2)



    "While the word was in the king's mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee. And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts
    of the field; they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the Most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever He will."
    ( Dn 4: 31-32 )

    I mean there's more but that's plain as day

    Telling me what somebody else said about someone else that hasn't been confirmed to exist, doesn't prove anything.
  • Fosheezy
    Fosheezy Members Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @kzzl nah I'm using the same line of argument presented in the OP. OP claims words in an article proves something. I posted words from a religious text to support pretty much the same thing.

    Why should I have to prove the writer exist or who he is?
  • kzzl
    kzzl Members Posts: 7,548 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Fosheezy wrote: »
    @kzzl nah I'm using the same line of argument presented in the OP. OP claims words in an article proves something. I posted words from a religious text to support pretty much the same thing.

    Why should I have to prove the writer exist or who he is?

    Cause if you dont, you'll never know if it's a lie.

    It'll be a day or two before I post again so, do what you will.
  • Swiffness!
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    The real problem with U.S voting is that stupid Tuesday election day date.

    You ever wonder why you vote on a Tuesday? Because in the 19th century, people needed an extra day to ride on horseback to the polling place. Seriously.

    India has better turnout with 500 million voters because they space out "Election Day" over an entire month.

    Republicans been trying to eradicate Weekend & Early Voting since 2008 because Obama dominated with early voters.

  • Fosheezy
    Fosheezy Members Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    kzzl wrote: »
    Fosheezy wrote: »
    @kzzl nah I'm using the same line of argument presented in the OP. OP claims words in an article proves something. I posted words from a religious text to support pretty much the same thing.

    Why should I have to prove the writer exist or who he is?

    Cause if you dont, you'll never know if it's a lie.

    It'll be a day or two before I post again so, do what you will.

    the writer of the verse I quoted is Daniel, an ancient renowned Jew. The writing is right there, so obviously the writer existed. It's perfectly fine for me to use this, unless you can show proof that it is either false or not a credible source.
  • soul rattler
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    Political parties are not beholden to American voting laws. How they go about nominating is completely up to them.
  • d1al_t0ne
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    All this proves is that ? don't vote instead they would rather spend the next 4 years biching about "they". "They" rigged the election. "They" try to control us. "They" control the media.

    ? and go vote
  • Revolver Ocelot
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    Isn't this just for the primaries?

    No ? it's low most people probably don't know were to go to even vote in the primaries. It's not like the general election like every school, and fire station has voting.

    That said the primaries are ? rigged especially the Democratic one. That superdelegate bs is some ? up ? . The people voting votes don't really count if the superdelegates in that state already have their minds made up on who they want to be the nominee, which is usually the case.

    Most of those superdelgates were for Hillary in 08 but when Obama started winning states they had to switch to him or it would have been a ? show.
  • D. Morgan
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    I don't think its fair that registered independent voters can't vote in primaries. That makes no sense and IMO also kind plays a role in the voting process not being and free and democratic as folks like to make it out to be.
  • semi-auto-mato
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    Jabu_Rule wrote: »
    Felons can vote. I couldn't vote when I was on parole but once that was terminated my voting rights were restored. U get them back before u get ur driving privileges back

    It depends on the State.

    so there are states that completely bar folks from voting even after they have completed all sentences with no way to get that privilege back?