Did she just ask him to apologize for a ? he was acquitted for?
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leftcoastkev wrote: »The bottom line is him waving in his stance in ANY type of compromise (even expressing too much sympathy for ? victims) opens the door for the perception of self accountability. NEVER allow yourself to be manipulated into being accountable for something you didn't do.
In situations like these the less that is said the better...whether the movie sells or not. Because once you express any sort of self accountability the media will be there like hawks to spin it....and he'll be stuck explaining his previous explanations....and eventually the more it happens he'll look like a liar no matter if he's being truthful or not.
I'm probably not even going to see the movie in the theatre...but I'm damn sure going to buy some tickets on line to support the brother even if they go to waste.
That's exactly what I was gonna do. Buy a ticket. I can't watch his face for 120 minutes. -
She presented an opportunity and he declined in favor to discuss the movie, something Robin had no interest in doing as she continued to bombard him with questions about the case. She should've respected his wishes. Compound that with her disingenuous assertion that she doesn't know anything about Nat Turner, the sister's being a ventriloquist ? for cacs who would rather this movie not exist. Its amazing how you find fault in him for sticking to the topic at hand and you justify her attempt to sensationalize it. Now all of a sudden you don't want to watch a movie about Nat Turner because the star stood his ground. For shame!obnoxiouslyfresh wrote: »Im sorry if that offended you, Queen. And Im sorry that insult offended you more than a so called black reporter acting as a white supremacist mouthpiece did.
She didn't act as a white supremacist anything. What she did was present him with an opportunity. She asked him to speak to those people who are struggling with the idea of supporting his film because of what they perceive as a lack of empathy on his part. That is the essence of his responses. Guilty or not, he is missing an opportunity to gain a plethora of support just by speaking out about ? , taking responsibility for engaging in risky behavior and having empathy for contributing to an environment that resulted in awful consequences for those involved.
He doesn't have to do any of this. And people don't have to watch his movie. In a vacuum, that sounds all well and good. But he DOES want people to see his film and those people want to hear certain things. That's where it gets complex. Unfortunately, he's not doing a good job of selling the film. He's smug and insufferable. At this point, I would rather watch Charlie Manson play Mandela.
His integrity is insufferable to you?
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obnoxiouslyfresh wrote: »Brother_Five wrote: »obnoxiouslyfresh wrote: »Brother_Five wrote: »? out of here
U don't give ppl an opportunity to apologize for some ? they said they didn't do
If u did that in real life it would be a ? problem
These folks got y'all all twisted and confused
Find the word apologize in my post.
Don't try to play word games or do mental gymnastics with me fam
Why the ? should he feel empathy for someone who (in his eyes) tried to ruin his life?
Why should he take the opportunity to be remorseful for some shot that you all imagined?
Also, the fact that u hold unrepentant convicted lunatic Charles Manson in higher regard than this dude shows how easily manipulated the population is
I have no interest in arguing with you, dumb dumb. Cause the bolded questions show how simple you are and ready to jump in and argue against a point that WAS NOT MADE. I didn't say he should do anything. In fact, I said he doesn't have to do anything. I was explaining Robin's line of questioning. He is on a PRESS TOUR because he wants people to see his film. That is his overarching goal. There are people who will not see it because of how he comes across about a serious issue. If he was innocent of the allegations, I can see where he would struggle to put voice to a concern that not only did he not do but was found not guilty of. But his attitude is so off putting. No one is cornering him in a bathroom. He has a stage that he keeps getting on himself. He's doing himself no favors with this movie.
Are you going to see the movie? -
Their is a difference between ? and being taken advantage of this white ? got taken advantage of
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obnoxiouslyfresh wrote: »Brother_Five wrote: »obnoxiouslyfresh wrote: »Brother_Five wrote: »? out of here
U don't give ppl an opportunity to apologize for some ? they said they didn't do
If u did that in real life it would be a ? problem
These folks got y'all all twisted and confused
Find the word apologize in my post.
Don't try to play word games or do mental gymnastics with me fam
Why the ? should he feel empathy for someone who (in his eyes) tried to ruin his life?
Why should he take the opportunity to be remorseful for some shot that you all imagined?
Also, the fact that u hold unrepentant convicted lunatic Charles Manson in higher regard than this dude shows how easily manipulated the population is
I have no interest in arguing with you, dumb dumb. Cause the bolded questions show how simple you are and ready to jump in and argue against a point that WAS NOT MADE. I didn't say he should do anything. In fact, I said he doesn't have to do anything. I was explaining Robin's line of questioning. He is on a PRESS TOUR because he wants people to see his film. That is his overarching goal. There are people who will not see it because of how he comes across about a serious issue. If he was innocent of the allegations, I can see where he would struggle to put voice to a concern that not only did he not do but was found not guilty of. But his attitude is so off putting. No one is cornering him in a bathroom. He has a stage that he keeps getting on himself. He's doing himself no favors with this movie.
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First off my ? u r arguing with me
Second stop trying to make this about you and your specific word choices
Robins line of questioning is meant to make Nate look worse
There is nothing wrong with his responses if he believes he is innocent
He has addressed the issue numerous times so my questions are valid
Why are u ppl expecting contrition and empathy when he has stated numerous times that he is innocent?
What the ? could he possibly say about this ? to make the fake outrage go away?
The outrage is fake
The expectations are fake
And it's sad how black ppl just fall in line with the dumb ? -
Brother_Five wrote: »First off my ? u r arguing with me
Second stop trying to make this about you and your specific word choices
Robins line of questioning is meant to make Nate look worse
There is nothing wrong with his responses if he believes he is innocent
He has addressed the issue numerous times so my questions are valid
Why are u ppl expecting contrition and empathy when he has stated numerous times that he is innocent?
What the ? could he possibly say about this ? to make the fake outrage go away?
The outrage is fake
The expectations are fake
And it's sad how black ppl just fall in line with the dumb ?
Well I can think of a dozen or so famous men who have been accused of ? who I do not find repulsive and whose work I can still indulge. Outrage is over the top. I just have no interest in looking at him for 2 hours. -
obnoxiouslyfresh wrote: »Brother_Five wrote: »First off my ? u r arguing with me
Second stop trying to make this about you and your specific word choices
Robins line of questioning is meant to make Nate look worse
There is nothing wrong with his responses if he believes he is innocent
He has addressed the issue numerous times so my questions are valid
Why are u ppl expecting contrition and empathy when he has stated numerous times that he is innocent?
What the ? could he possibly say about this ? to make the fake outrage go away?
The outrage is fake
The expectations are fake
And it's sad how black ppl just fall in line with the dumb ?
Well I can think of a dozen or so famous men who have been accused of ? who I do not find repulsive and whose work I can still indulge. Outrage is over the top. I just have no interest in looking at him for 2 hours.
I can dig it
I feel the same way about Amy Schumer
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He married to a white chick ....probably was a white chick that got him in so much heat...cannot take him or his movie serious.....how many slave movies do we need?
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This the same butch i mean ? that kept ? with c breezy bout the incident and had that ? spaz out when he was there to talk about his music.
? this ? -
LMFAO that chick face slowly slowy got more long as the interview progressed and she couldnt get what she wanted.
Dude handled that very well, should make you want to support him even more.
As big brother five alluded to, its sad as ? how even black people are falling for the okey doke.
But anything promoting or supporting positive, progressive black manhood in this country has to he torn down for the system of white supremacy to persist. -
You know what's funn, I aint ever seen white women cape for actual black ? victims the way I seen black women cape for this one fake ass white ? .
You remember white women caping for the black striper who accused the duke players of ? ? Nope
What about that half white half asian cop who ? 13 women? White women cape for black women and crucify this ? ? Nope.
But you can put BW on a platform and she'll do what she's been doing for the past 30 years, ? all over ? . It aint even about the white girl, not the fake ass ? victim anyway.
BW will take the issues they have with BM in real life and use them to tank a movie that EVERY black person been waiting to see for ever and a day.
? these hoes they stay on some double agent ? . -
obnoxiouslyfresh wrote: »Im sorry if that offended you, Queen. And Im sorry that insult offended you more than a so called black reporter acting as a white supremacist mouthpiece did.
She didn't act as a white supremacist anything. What she did was present him with an opportunity. She asked him to speak to those people who are struggling with the idea of supporting his film because of what they perceive as a lack of empathy on his part. That is the essence of his responses. Guilty or not, he is missing an opportunity to gain a plethora of support just by speaking out about ? , taking responsibility for engaging in risky behavior and having empathy for contributing to an environment that resulted in awful consequences for those involved.
He doesn't have to do any of this. And people don't have to watch his movie. In a vacuum, that sounds all well and good. But he DOES want people to see his film and those people want to hear certain things. That's where it gets complex. Unfortunately, he's not doing a good job of selling the film. He's smug and insufferable. At this point, I would rather watch Charlie Manson play Mandela.
Get the ? outta here, she was baiting him into apologizing for some ? he didn't even do. Is it his fault the girl killed herself for a crime he didn't commit?!? No. Does that even sound logical?!? And now the brother has to hear about this nonsense from his OWN KIND. ? , if that's the case, why not attack the REAL pedophiles in Hollywood. This was another setup by you-know-who. -
obnoxiouslyfresh wrote: »Im sorry if that offended you, Queen. And Im sorry that insult offended you more than a so called black reporter acting as a white supremacist mouthpiece did.
She didn't act as a white supremacist anything. What she did was present him with an opportunity. She asked him to speak to those people who are struggling with the idea of supporting his film because of what they perceive as a lack of empathy on his part. That is the essence of his responses. Guilty or not, he is missing an opportunity to gain a plethora of support just by speaking out about ? , taking responsibility for engaging in risky behavior and having empathy for contributing to an environment that resulted in awful consequences for those involved.
He doesn't have to do any of this. And people don't have to watch his movie. In a vacuum, that sounds all well and good. But he DOES want people to see his film and those people want to hear certain things. That's where it gets complex. Unfortunately, he's not doing a good job of selling the film. He's smug and insufferable. At this point, I would rather watch Charlie Manson play Mandela.
This some ? . Those people who don't like or hate him are always going to be that way. Anything he says will not change how they feel or make them actually go see his movie. To me apologizing for some ? you didn't do to me is some weak ? and if he did all that apologizing and groveling. I actually WOULDN'T go see his movie. These people actually just want some actual justification for their unjustified hate and non-support of him.
What is he supposed to actually be remorseful for? Funny how people can understand when a person who is locked up say "I can't apologize or feel remorseful for a crime I didn't commit" and its not a problem. Yet this man was acquitted of a crime and people want him to feel remorseful about some ? he DIDN'T DO. That makes absolutely no sense at all.
How some black people are going about this situation is a prime example of why we so ? up as a people. Robin Roberts got up there and tried to pushed white peoples ? on Nate Parker instead of letting them do that ? themselves.
These same ? people love Woody Allen and Roman Polanski yet want to vilify and tear down Nate Parker and black people going right along with the ? and some even want to lead the damn charge.
I'm a ? around and buy 4 tickets tomorrow just cause some of yall ? out here some real ? . -
Brother_Five wrote: »obnoxiouslyfresh wrote: »Brother_Five wrote: »? out of here
U don't give ppl an opportunity to apologize for some ? they said they didn't do
If u did that in real life it would be a ? problem
These folks got y'all all twisted and confused
Find the word apologize in my post.
Don't try to play word games or do mental gymnastics with me fam
Why the ? should he feel empathy for someone who (in his eyes) tried to ruin his life?
Why should he take the opportunity to be remorseful for some shot that you all imagined?
Also, the fact that u hold unrepentant convicted lunatic Charles Manson in higher regard than this dude shows how easily manipulated the population isBrother_Five wrote: »? out of here
U don't give ppl an opportunity to apologize for some ? they said they didn't do
If u did that in real life it would be a ? problem
These folks got y'all all twisted and confused
Hold up though, I get him not wanting to apologize due to the legalities and maybe he feels like he wasn't wrong in the treatment of this woman, but why is he implying regret here?I’m trying to absorb a lot of information. I watched The Hunting Ground. I read Roxane ? ’s open letter, I read Maiysha Kai’s open letter, I read Demetria D’Oyley. Just to really…what do I need to learn about the situation? If I’m really down…if I’m really serious about changing my attitude, if I’m really serious that those comments are wrong, then what do I need to be feeling? And how do I get to that place that there’s an assault against women?
So I sat my daughter down and I talked about this specific situation, it wasn’t the first time because when she became a certain age I talked about it to her anyway. But I said you know, I gotta look at the situation as an opportunity to grow and become more empathetic and more sensitive to issues to that are outside of my everyday, and I don’t want to send you to college and say, “Be careful and watch out.” I said that, for one, when you’re in a relationship with someone you have to be in control of that relationship and you have to be as open as you can about everything, straight up, out the gate. We have a very unique relationship because I don’t ever want her to feel like she can’t come to me, so I allow her to talk to me about everything, which is hard. Being a woman in 2016 if very different, imagine being a woman 20 years ago, and when we talk about consent, maybe 20 years from now we’ll know things about consent and examine it from a different perspective than we are now.
I’ll say this, this whole situation I’m approaching from a standpoint of humility. I’m sorry for all the women who are survivors who felt hurt by my words because they were insensitive and they were nonchalant.
EBONY.com: I think the thing that could have perhaps handled this differently is if you came off more contrite from the jump. Like you said, if you had more empathy from the beginning, or if it wasn’t as self-focused…
Nate Parker: But you know what, I was…
EBONY.com: So why did you give those two interviews first? Because I feel like I had read some articles [about the ? case], but it wasn’t like this thing, until…
Nate Parker: This is hard; I’ve been trying to figure out how to say this. Not everyone has the best intentions. I thought I was giving the interview, at the time of those two interviews–and one really just bit off the other–I didn’t know the status of the women. I didn’t know. I was acting as if I was the victim, and that’s wrong. I was acting as if I was the victim because I felt like, my only thought was I’m innocent and everyone needs to know. I didn’t even think for a second about her, not even for a second.
You asked me why I wasn’t empathetic? Why didn’t it come off more empathetic? Because I wasn’t being empathetic. Why didn’t it come off more contrite? Because I wasn’t being contrite. Maybe I was being even arrogant. And learning about her passing shook me, it really did. It really shook me.
http://www.ebony.com/entertainment-culture/nate-parker-? -charges-consent#axzz4MIp1FCt3
So now he forgot he was empathetic???
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ghostdog56 wrote: »Their is a difference between ? and being taken advantage of this white ? got taken advantage of
So it's not ? then if the woman's unconscious right? Like passed out and someone ? her because that's along the same lines. Because you can't say no and someone took advantage of her unconscious body. -
Brother_Five wrote: »obnoxiouslyfresh wrote: »Brother_Five wrote: »? out of here
U don't give ppl an opportunity to apologize for some ? they said they didn't do
If u did that in real life it would be a ? problem
These folks got y'all all twisted and confused
Find the word apologize in my post.
Don't try to play word games or do mental gymnastics with me fam
Why the ? should he feel empathy for someone who (in his eyes) tried to ruin his life?
Why should he take the opportunity to be remorseful for some shot that you all imagined?
Also, the fact that u hold unrepentant convicted lunatic Charles Manson in higher regard than this dude shows how easily manipulated the population isBrother_Five wrote: »? out of here
U don't give ppl an opportunity to apologize for some ? they said they didn't do
If u did that in real life it would be a ? problem
These folks got y'all all twisted and confused
Hold up though, I get him not wanting to apologize due to the legalities and maybe he feels like he wasn't wrong in the treatment of this woman, but why is he implying regret here?I’m trying to absorb a lot of information. I watched The Hunting Ground. I read Roxane ? ’s open letter, I read Maiysha Kai’s open letter, I read Demetria D’Oyley. Just to really…what do I need to learn about the situation? If I’m really down…if I’m really serious about changing my attitude, if I’m really serious that those comments are wrong, then what do I need to be feeling? And how do I get to that place that there’s an assault against women?
So I sat my daughter down and I talked about this specific situation, it wasn’t the first time because when she became a certain age I talked about it to her anyway. But I said you know, I gotta look at the situation as an opportunity to grow and become more empathetic and more sensitive to issues to that are outside of my everyday, and I don’t want to send you to college and say, “Be careful and watch out.” I said that, for one, when you’re in a relationship with someone you have to be in control of that relationship and you have to be as open as you can about everything, straight up, out the gate. We have a very unique relationship because I don’t ever want her to feel like she can’t come to me, so I allow her to talk to me about everything, which is hard. Being a woman in 2016 if very different, imagine being a woman 20 years ago, and when we talk about consent, maybe 20 years from now we’ll know things about consent and examine it from a different perspective than we are now.
I’ll say this, this whole situation I’m approaching from a standpoint of humility. I’m sorry for all the women who are survivors who felt hurt by my words because they were insensitive and they were nonchalant.
EBONY.com: I think the thing that could have perhaps handled this differently is if you came off more contrite from the jump. Like you said, if you had more empathy from the beginning, or if it wasn’t as self-focused…
Nate Parker: But you know what, I was…
EBONY.com: So why did you give those two interviews first? Because I feel like I had read some articles [about the ? case], but it wasn’t like this thing, until…
Nate Parker: This is hard; I’ve been trying to figure out how to say this. Not everyone has the best intentions. I thought I was giving the interview, at the time of those two interviews–and one really just bit off the other–I didn’t know the status of the women. I didn’t know. I was acting as if I was the victim, and that’s wrong. I was acting as if I was the victim because I felt like, my only thought was I’m innocent and everyone needs to know. I didn’t even think for a second about her, not even for a second.
You asked me why I wasn’t empathetic? Why didn’t it come off more empathetic? Because I wasn’t being empathetic. Why didn’t it come off more contrite? Because I wasn’t being contrite. Maybe I was being even arrogant. And learning about her passing shook me, it really did. It really shook me.
http://www.ebony.com/entertainment-culture/nate-parker-? -charges-consent#axzz4MIp1FCt3
So now he forgot he was empathetic???
Damned if he do, damned if he don't huh?
Huh? -
He about to address it on breakfast club
I'm about to be late to the car wash -
ghostdog56 wrote: »Their is a difference between ? and being taken advantage of this white ? got taken advantage of
So it's not ? then if the woman's unconscious right? Like passed out and someone ? her because that's along the same lines. Because you can't say no and someone took advantage of her unconscious body.
Take responsibility for your actions she shouldn't have put herself in that situation. If I pass out ? and wake up with my wallet missing I have to chalk it up to poor decision making on my part -
That ? should of asked that ? what about black on black crime
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ghostdog56 wrote: »ghostdog56 wrote: »Their is a difference between ? and being taken advantage of this white ? got taken advantage of
So it's not ? then if the woman's unconscious right? Like passed out and someone ? her because that's along the same lines. Because you can't say no and someone took advantage of her unconscious body.
Take responsibility for your actions she shouldn't have put herself in that situation. If I pass out ? and wake up with my wallet missing I have to chalk it up to poor decision making on my part
Having your wallet missing and your body forcibly entered into are two different things. That is ? ridiculous. So a woman needs to take responsibility for passing out and leaving her ? unattended but the ? who
forced himself into that ? shouldn't? -
Brother_Five wrote: »Brother_Five wrote: »obnoxiouslyfresh wrote: »Brother_Five wrote: »? out of here
U don't give ppl an opportunity to apologize for some ? they said they didn't do
If u did that in real life it would be a ? problem
These folks got y'all all twisted and confused
Find the word apologize in my post.
Don't try to play word games or do mental gymnastics with me fam
Why the ? should he feel empathy for someone who (in his eyes) tried to ruin his life?
Why should he take the opportunity to be remorseful for some shot that you all imagined?
Also, the fact that u hold unrepentant convicted lunatic Charles Manson in higher regard than this dude shows how easily manipulated the population isBrother_Five wrote: »? out of here
U don't give ppl an opportunity to apologize for some ? they said they didn't do
If u did that in real life it would be a ? problem
These folks got y'all all twisted and confused
Hold up though, I get him not wanting to apologize due to the legalities and maybe he feels like he wasn't wrong in the treatment of this woman, but why is he implying regret here?I’m trying to absorb a lot of information. I watched The Hunting Ground. I read Roxane ? ’s open letter, I read Maiysha Kai’s open letter, I read Demetria D’Oyley. Just to really…what do I need to learn about the situation? If I’m really down…if I’m really serious about changing my attitude, if I’m really serious that those comments are wrong, then what do I need to be feeling? And how do I get to that place that there’s an assault against women?
So I sat my daughter down and I talked about this specific situation, it wasn’t the first time because when she became a certain age I talked about it to her anyway. But I said you know, I gotta look at the situation as an opportunity to grow and become more empathetic and more sensitive to issues to that are outside of my everyday, and I don’t want to send you to college and say, “Be careful and watch out.” I said that, for one, when you’re in a relationship with someone you have to be in control of that relationship and you have to be as open as you can about everything, straight up, out the gate. We have a very unique relationship because I don’t ever want her to feel like she can’t come to me, so I allow her to talk to me about everything, which is hard. Being a woman in 2016 if very different, imagine being a woman 20 years ago, and when we talk about consent, maybe 20 years from now we’ll know things about consent and examine it from a different perspective than we are now.
I’ll say this, this whole situation I’m approaching from a standpoint of humility. I’m sorry for all the women who are survivors who felt hurt by my words because they were insensitive and they were nonchalant.
EBONY.com: I think the thing that could have perhaps handled this differently is if you came off more contrite from the jump. Like you said, if you had more empathy from the beginning, or if it wasn’t as self-focused…
Nate Parker: But you know what, I was…
EBONY.com: So why did you give those two interviews first? Because I feel like I had read some articles [about the ? case], but it wasn’t like this thing, until…
Nate Parker: This is hard; I’ve been trying to figure out how to say this. Not everyone has the best intentions. I thought I was giving the interview, at the time of those two interviews–and one really just bit off the other–I didn’t know the status of the women. I didn’t know. I was acting as if I was the victim, and that’s wrong. I was acting as if I was the victim because I felt like, my only thought was I’m innocent and everyone needs to know. I didn’t even think for a second about her, not even for a second.
You asked me why I wasn’t empathetic? Why didn’t it come off more empathetic? Because I wasn’t being empathetic. Why didn’t it come off more contrite? Because I wasn’t being contrite. Maybe I was being even arrogant. And learning about her passing shook me, it really did. It really shook me.
http://www.ebony.com/entertainment-culture/nate-parker-? -charges-consent#axzz4MIp1FCt3
So now he forgot he was empathetic???
Damned if he do, damned if he don't huh?
Huh?
Addressing that you had poor judgment in a situation is better, and it would put him in a more favorable light than being an arrogant ? , which he is. -
She's a liar
He ain't wrong for not giving attention to a liar -
obnoxiouslyfresh wrote: »Brother_Five wrote: »First off my ? u r arguing with me
Second stop trying to make this about you and your specific word choices
Robins line of questioning is meant to make Nate look worse
There is nothing wrong with his responses if he believes he is innocent
He has addressed the issue numerous times so my questions are valid
Why are u ppl expecting contrition and empathy when he has stated numerous times that he is innocent?
What the ? could he possibly say about this ? to make the fake outrage go away?
The outrage is fake
The expectations are fake
And it's sad how black ppl just fall in line with the dumb ?
Well I can think of a dozen or so famous men who have been accused of ? who I do not find repulsive and whose work I can still indulge. Outrage is over the top. I just have no interest in looking at him for 2 hours.
Thats cause u r part of the herd aka sheep and the media hasnt told u to dislike those guys yet so u cool with em....for now at least -
You two black women have a problem with black men being black men.
Dude is an arrogant ? because he wont show symapathy for a chick that tried to get him locked up for some ? he didnt do?
Well damn.
