Mentally ill Mother Murders 17 Month Son Then Send Video of his dead body to Baby's Father

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  • Kat
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    xxCivicxx wrote: »
    Kat wrote: »
    I should not have hit the spoiler. She would have to die. Flat out. If she sent him that ? he shoulda made a call to somebody( SORRY @Kat ? don't call the police) or hopped in a cab and dog walked that ? . I'm in my feelings right now cuz

    But then YOU would be jail and the kids in the system, how does that help?

    This already happened because of HER DECISION

    He IS in jail because of a crime SHE COMMITTED

    And you already said that he deserves that so what are you talking about?

    This situation was a complete lose/lose for dude and you just proved that

    Where did I say he deserved to go to jail?

    Not saying I don't necessarily find him culpable, but you won't find those words in any of my posts.

    She is the muderer but he did nothing to protect his children. Nothing.

    One call to authorities and this entire situation may have been avoided..him being charged would have definitely been avoided.
  • blackrain
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    xxCivicxx wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    7figz wrote: »
    Damn, you might want to spoiler that.

    Based on that message tho, it sounds like he's puttin' it out there ? Isn't that sort-of helping vindicate him ?

    As ? up as it is, it makes it look like the ? ain't serious / that he tried letting people know she was abusing them.

    Nah it makes it look like he knew she was capable of trying to harm those kids and instead of actually doing something he put it on FB

    Again, SHE IS HARMING THE KIDS IN ALL OF THESE SITUATIONS

    Why is the focus not on her?

    What y'all don't realize is that whenever y'all make posts like this that remove accountability from a criminal female, you're basically saying that females are just tall irresponsible children, unfit to make adult decisions

    This story is about a female that killed a baby

    On top of that, what is it that you think he could have done anyway? You know how biased family courts are

    You do realize more than one person can be responsible for something right? Father posting pics of her choking the baby on facebook...but he holds no responsibility for what ultimately happened? Nah...not on this one
  • 7figz
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    @blackrain, @kat -

    What do you see his "leave them alone" or "I'll catch the last bus" as ?
  • Kat
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    NOT enough.

    This ? talking about killing your CHILDREN and he's talking about catching the last bus?? Ya'll tripping...he didn't want them kids.
  • Bookworm
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    xxCivicxx wrote: »
    Lock both in jail until they rot

    Why should the male be in jail?

    Dude sent a text saying "I'm just not going to reply no more If you wanna to go to jail you know what to do" in response to someone telling him they're killing his kids. He is legally responsible for their safety and well being and didn't even call the police. That's at least child neglect. All he needed to do was attempt to prevent their deaths.

  • 7figz
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    Kat wrote: »
    NOT enough.

    This ? talking about killing your CHILDREN and he's talking about catching the last bus?? Ya'll tripping...he didn't want them kids.

    Stay on track wit' me...

    She told dude to come over / come get his kids or else she was going to hurt 'em... and he said those 2 things.

    So again - why do you think he said those things ?
  • blackrain
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    7figz wrote: »
    @blackrain, @kat -

    What do you see his "leave them alone" or "I'll catch the last bus" as ?

    He acted but that was too little too late. Why not act sooner instead of putting a pic on social media? If that was the extent of him trying to do something that's not much effort
  • 7figz
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    Bookworm wrote: »
    xxCivicxx wrote: »
    Lock both in jail until they rot

    Why should the male be in jail?

    Dude sent a text saying "I'm just not going to reply no more If you wanna to go to jail you know what to do" in response to someone telling him they're killing his kids. He is legally responsible for their safety and well being and didn't even call the police. That's at least child neglect. All he needed to do was attempt to prevent their deaths.

    You never heard somebody say some ? like the bolded for 'reverse psychology' ? That's a serious question.
  • Kat
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    It really doesn't matter what I say 7..you feel some type of way cause you got a ? baby mama so you gonna defend this dudes inaction to the death.

    He did not react the way he should have in order to protect his children. He is negligent. Period.
  • 7figz
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    blackrain wrote: »
    7figz wrote: »
    @blackrain, @kat -

    What do you see his "leave them alone" or "I'll catch the last bus" as ?

    He acted but that was too little too late. Why not act sooner instead of putting a pic on social media? If that was the extent of him trying to do something that's not much effort

    The picture was from months ago, so I ask the question again.
  • Trillfate
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    I aint got ? on his gofundme, sorry
  • xxCivicxx
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    Kat wrote: »
    NOT enough.

    This ? talking about killing your CHILDREN and he's talking about catching the last bus?? Ya'll tripping...he didn't want them kids.

    Females are emotional and say wild ? literally all the time and you KNOW this

    I've definitely had females say wild ? to try and get me to come over to their house, am I responsible for whatever they do because I chose not to go?? Am I supposed to call the cops every time they send wild ? to my phone?

    It seems like what you're saying is that he's at fault because he didn't return her emotionally unstable energy by choosing not to argue with her through a phone. I'm not seeing what else he could have done besides tell her to leave the kids alone and that he's heading back to the house
  • xxCivicxx
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    Bookworm wrote: »
    xxCivicxx wrote: »
    Lock both in jail until they rot

    Why should the male be in jail?

    Dude sent a text saying "I'm just not going to reply no more If you wanna to go to jail you know what to do" in response to someone telling him they're killing his kids. He is legally responsible for their safety and well being and didn't even call the police. That's at least child neglect. All he needed to do was attempt to prevent their deaths.

    So "leave them alone" and "I'm gonna catch the last bus" mean nothing to you huh?

    Again, why are you not this focused on the actual murderer?
  • 7figz
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    Kat wrote: »
    It really doesn't matter what I say 7..you feel some type of way cause you got a ? baby mama so you gonna defend this dudes inaction to the death.

    He did not react the way he should have in order to protect his children. He is negligent. Period.

    Sigh. It seems like you're thinking about my BM more than me. Put her aside for a minute, I'm being serious.

    Everybody is mad that a kid died. Dude didn't do enough, in hindsight.

    But I'm asking you what do you see those 2 statements as ?
  • Copper
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    Good Iman shumbert got those messages and didn't do ? .

    Now having said that they should start charging women when thier live in bfs beat thier kids to ? death
  • Kat
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    xxCivicxx wrote: »
    Bookworm wrote: »
    xxCivicxx wrote: »
    Lock both in jail until they rot

    Why should the male be in jail?

    Dude sent a text saying "I'm just not going to reply no more If you wanna to go to jail you know what to do" in response to someone telling him they're killing his kids. He is legally responsible for their safety and well being and didn't even call the police. That's at least child neglect. All he needed to do was attempt to prevent their deaths.

    So "leave them alone" and "I'm gonna catch the last bus" mean nothing to you huh?

    Again, why are you not this focused on the actual murderer?

    We don't need to focus on her, we KNOW she guilty. These extenuating circumstances have come to light and they are disturbing. They should be focused on as well.

    He failed his kids.
  • Kat
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    xxCivicxx wrote: »
    Kat wrote: »
    NOT enough.

    This ? talking about killing your CHILDREN and he's talking about catching the last bus?? Ya'll tripping...he didn't want them kids.

    Females are emotional and say wild ? literally all the time and you KNOW this

    I've definitely had females say wild ? to try and get me to come over to their house, am I responsible for whatever they do because I chose not to go?? Am I supposed to call the cops every time they send wild ? to my phone?

    It seems like what you're saying is that he's at fault because he didn't return her emotionally unstable energy by choosing not to argue with her through a phone. I'm not seeing what else he could have done besides tell her to leave the kids alone and that he's heading back to the house

    Call the ? cops? Have a unit sent to the house? Stop acting stupid.
  • xxCivicxx
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    blackrain wrote: »
    xxCivicxx wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    7figz wrote: »
    Damn, you might want to spoiler that.

    Based on that message tho, it sounds like he's puttin' it out there ? Isn't that sort-of helping vindicate him ?

    As ? up as it is, it makes it look like the ? ain't serious / that he tried letting people know she was abusing them.

    Nah it makes it look like he knew she was capable of trying to harm those kids and instead of actually doing something he put it on FB

    Again, SHE IS HARMING THE KIDS IN ALL OF THESE SITUATIONS

    Why is the focus not on her?

    What y'all don't realize is that whenever y'all make posts like this that remove accountability from a criminal female, you're basically saying that females are just tall irresponsible children, unfit to make adult decisions

    This story is about a female that killed a baby

    On top of that, what is it that you think he could have done anyway? You know how biased family courts are

    You do realize more than one person can be responsible for something right? Father posting pics of her choking the baby on facebook...but he holds no responsibility for what ultimately happened? Nah...not on this one

    By that logic, everyone who saw the pic is also responsible for her actions and should be prosecuted
  • 7figz
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    Kat wrote: »
    xxCivicxx wrote: »
    Kat wrote: »
    NOT enough.

    This ? talking about killing your CHILDREN and he's talking about catching the last bus?? Ya'll tripping...he didn't want them kids.

    Females are emotional and say wild ? literally all the time and you KNOW this

    I've definitely had females say wild ? to try and get me to come over to their house, am I responsible for whatever they do because I chose not to go?? Am I supposed to call the cops every time they send wild ? to my phone?

    It seems like what you're saying is that he's at fault because he didn't return her emotionally unstable energy by choosing not to argue with her through a phone. I'm not seeing what else he could have done besides tell her to leave the kids alone and that he's heading back to the house

    Call the ? cops? Have a unit sent to the house? Stop acting stupid.

    Not everybody calls cops. Like I said earlier, the cops killed that last woman but you don't want to hear that though.
  • Kat
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    7figz wrote: »
    Kat wrote: »
    It really doesn't matter what I say 7..you feel some type of way cause you got a ? baby mama so you gonna defend this dudes inaction to the death.

    He did not react the way he should have in order to protect his children. He is negligent. Period.

    Sigh. It seems like you're thinking about my BM more than me. Put her aside for a minute, I'm being serious.

    Everybody is mad that a kid died. Dude didn't do enough, in hindsight.

    But I'm asking you what do you see those 2 statements as ?

    Because you make it obvious every time.

    I see those statements as a half ass attempt to calm her down, but not near enough urgency as the situation required.
  • Bookworm
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    xxCivicxx wrote: »
    Bookworm wrote: »
    xxCivicxx wrote: »
    Lock both in jail until they rot

    Why should the male be in jail?

    Dude sent a text saying "I'm just not going to reply no more If you wanna to go to jail you know what to do" in response to someone telling him they're killing his kids. He is legally responsible for their safety and well being and didn't even call the police. That's at least child neglect. All he needed to do was attempt to prevent their deaths.

    So "leave them alone" and "I'm gonna catch the last bus" mean nothing to you huh?

    Again, why are you not this focused on the actual murderer?

    Your question that I quoted specifically referred to his role. No one is deflecting blame from her, we are just stating he could have done more as far as attempting to stop her. The two phrases you quoted don't mean much to me when he could have called the police and they could have arrived there much sooner than him.

  • Trillfate
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    xxCivicxx wrote: »
    Kat wrote: »
    Lol..you're too much.


    Yeah you're right, the cops would've went in blazing and killed everybody in the house so it was better to just do nothing except post some very disturbing photos to FB and pray she wasn't serious.

    Sounds legit.

    Once again, this story is about a female that killed a baby boy

    Why can't you stay focused?
    its and open and shut case with her... she'll plead guilty and accept her sentence

    The convo should naturally shift to dude...

    I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be in jail I'm just saying ? that ? for allow ongoing abuse of his children, thats neglect.

    He allow this to happen to his son on At Least 2 occasions
    [img]https://scontent-iad3-1.? .fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14632844_1277579548940679_4558045983082251360_n.jpg?oh=d7210d397f829ca8f39522bbcdacf049&oe=58CFC250[/img]

    Then he had an indifferent attitude about the threats on his life... he aint innocent
  • xxCivicxx
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    Kat wrote: »
    xxCivicxx wrote: »
    Kat wrote: »
    NOT enough.

    This ? talking about killing your CHILDREN and he's talking about catching the last bus?? Ya'll tripping...he didn't want them kids.

    Females are emotional and say wild ? literally all the time and you KNOW this

    I've definitely had females say wild ? to try and get me to come over to their house, am I responsible for whatever they do because I chose not to go?? Am I supposed to call the cops every time they send wild ? to my phone?

    It seems like what you're saying is that he's at fault because he didn't return her emotionally unstable energy by choosing not to argue with her through a phone. I'm not seeing what else he could have done besides tell her to leave the kids alone and that he's heading back to the house

    Call the ? cops? Have a unit sent to the house? Stop acting stupid.

    The same cops that shoot first and ask questions after?

    You should already understand why black people don't have they type of faith in cops that you do
  • xxCivicxx
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    Trillfate wrote: »
    xxCivicxx wrote: »
    Kat wrote: »
    Lol..you're too much.


    Yeah you're right, the cops would've went in blazing and killed everybody in the house so it was better to just do nothing except post some very disturbing photos to FB and pray she wasn't serious.

    Sounds legit.

    Once again, this story is about a female that killed a baby boy

    Why can't you stay focused?
    its and open and shut case with her... she'll plead guilty and accept her sentence

    The convo should naturally shift to dude...

    I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be in jail I'm just saying ? that ? for allow ongoing abuse of his children, thats neglect.

    He allow this to happen to his son on At Least 2 occasions
    [img]https://scontent-iad3-1.? .fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14632844_1277579548940679_4558045983082251360_n.jpg?oh=d7210d397f829ca8f39522bbcdacf049&oe=58CFC250[/img]

    Then he had an indifferent attitude about the threats on his life... he aint innocent

    Again by that logic everyone who saw the pic is responsible

    How should he have handled the situation?
  • Kat
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    xxCivicxx wrote: »
    Kat wrote: »
    xxCivicxx wrote: »
    Kat wrote: »
    NOT enough.

    This ? talking about killing your CHILDREN and he's talking about catching the last bus?? Ya'll tripping...he didn't want them kids.

    Females are emotional and say wild ? literally all the time and you KNOW this

    I've definitely had females say wild ? to try and get me to come over to their house, am I responsible for whatever they do because I chose not to go?? Am I supposed to call the cops every time they send wild ? to my phone?

    It seems like what you're saying is that he's at fault because he didn't return her emotionally unstable energy by choosing not to argue with her through a phone. I'm not seeing what else he could have done besides tell her to leave the kids alone and that he's heading back to the house

    Call the ? cops? Have a unit sent to the house? Stop acting stupid.

    The same cops that shoot first and ask questions after?

    You should already understand why black people don't have they type of faith in cops that you do

    I'd rather run the risk of her getting shot then my babies dying at her hand. She asked for the cops to be in her life when she sent them texts.

    So he's worried about HER getting shot but not the well being of his innocent children?

    Stop trying so hard civic, bitter ass man.