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I was thinking of all the "racist facts" that white racists love to pull out of their ass every now and then in order to justify their racism, so I wanted to list them, refute them, and read others' opinions about them.
But I found an article that discusses these "racist facts" (all the while partially proving and disproving them) and ties them to the issue of police brutality in America, which is and has always been a hot topic, especially on this board.
So in the interest of stepping out our echo chamber and presenting an unpopular devil's advocate in order to spark new discussion about an old issue, I present to you the below article.
As it's title suggests, the article's main argument seems to say that a/the primary cause of police brutality against blacks is not necessarily simply a result of racism (even though racism is a factor) but more so a result of the sheer propensity of crime within the black community (itself largely perpetuated by young blacks), which is itself a symptom of various elements of black history, black culture, and black poverty, among other factors.
Although I agree and disagree with the article, I believe that far from simply being racist and Alex-Jones-crazy, it makes some interesting points and provides some convincing evidence.
So what say you?
I was thinking of all the "racist facts" that white racists love to pull out of their ass every now and then in order to justify their racism, so I wanted to list them, refute them, and read others' opinions about them.
But I found an article that discusses these "racist facts" (all the while partially proving and disproving them) and ties them to the issue of police brutality in America, which is and has always been a hot topic, especially on this board.
So in the interest of stepping out our echo chamber and presenting an unpopular devil's advocate in order to spark new discussion about an old issue, I present to you the below article.
As it's title suggests, the article's main argument seems to say that a/the primary cause of police brutality against blacks is not necessarily simply a result of racism (even though racism is a factor) but more so a result of the sheer propensity of crime within the black community (itself largely perpetuated by young blacks), which is itself a symptom of various elements of black history, black culture, and black poverty, among other factors.
Although I agree and disagree with the article, I believe that far from simply being racist and Alex-Jones-crazy, it makes some interesting points and provides some convincing evidence.
So what say you?
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BLACK CRIME FACTS THAT THE WHITE LIBERAL MEDIA DAREN’T TALK ABOUT: Police brutality targeting blacks will not subside until this becomes part of the national conversation
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Despite the revelation that half of the officers charged in the death of Freddie Gray – the incident that led to the Baltimore riots – are black, the narrative that black people are being disproportionately and unfairly targeted by predominantly white police officers and a racist criminal justice system in the United States continues to dominate.
This has led to the growth of a divisive movement – ‘Black Lives Matter’ – which has only served to further polarize America down racial lines, obsessing on skin color and invoking white guilt, while ignoring the true causes of and solutions to police brutality.
Until the following facts become part of the conversation, we’re never going to see a real reduction in the number of violent confrontations involving black people and police officers. But the mainstream media, political leaders and white people in general are afraid to even mention these facts for fear of being labeled racist.
I’m not here to win any popularity contests. I genuinely care about less black people and less police officers dying in the streets. So I’m going to give it to you straight.
Black people in the United States are more likely to be victims of violent confrontations with police officers than whites because they commit more violent crimes than whites per capita.
– FACT: Despite making up just 13% of the population, blacks commit around half of homicides in the United States. DOJ statistics show that between 1980 and 2008, blacks committed 52% of homicides, compared to 45% of homicides committed by whites.
More up to date FBI statistics tell a similar story. In 2013, black criminals carried out 38% of murders, compared to 31.1% for whites, again despite the fact that there are five times more white people in the U.S.
– FACT: From 2011 to 2013, 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, ? , robbery, and aggravated assault were black. This figure is three times higher than the 13% black population figure. When you account for the fact that black males aged 15-34, who account for around 3% of the population, are responsible for the vast majority of these crimes, the figures are even more staggering.
– FACT: Despite the fact that black people commit an equal or greater number of violent crimes than whites, whites are almost TWICE as likely to be killed by police officers.
According to data from the Centers for Disease Control, between 1999 and 2011, 2,151 whites died as a result of being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks.
Critics argue that black people are overrepresented in these figures because they only represent 13% of the population, but they are underrepresented if you factor in violent crime offenders. In other words, you would expect the number of blacks and whites killed by police to be roughly equal given that they commit a roughly equal number of violent crimes, but that’s not the case. Whites are nearly 100% more likely to be victims.
And what about black on white violence in general?
– FACT: Despite being outnumbered by whites five to one, blacks commit eight times more crimes against whites than vice-versa, according to FBI statistics from 2007. A black male is 40 times as likely to assault a white person as the reverse. These figures also show that interracial ? is almost exclusively black on white.
“Even allowing for the existence of discrimination in the criminal justice system, the higher rates of crime among black Americans cannot be denied,” wrote James Q. Wilson and Richard Herrnstein in their widely cited 1985 study, “Crime and Human Nature.” “Every study of crime using official data shows blacks to be overrepresented among persons arrested, convicted, and imprisoned for street crimes.”
It’s clear that the greater propensity for black people to commit violent crimes is a driving factor as to why blacks are becoming involved in more violent confrontations with police than their 13% population figure suggests they should be. If the 911 calls are coming from black areas and are related to black people committing violent crimes, then of course black people are more likely to be involved in violent confrontations with cops.
Does that justify police brutality in cases such as Freddie Gray, Walter Scott or Eric Garner? No. But it does demolish the ‘Black Lives Matter’ narrative that the general trend of black people being victims of violent encounters with police is solely down to the fact that cops are racist towards black people. Racism is a factor, but the statistics clearly show that it’s by no means the only factor, and some would argue not even the dominant factor.
But aren’t all these statistics undermined by the fact that black people are unfairly targeted and framed for crimes by police officers in the first place? Don’t higher arrest and conviction rates of blacks merely prove that police are racist? This argument is debunked by looking at the proportion of offenders identified – not by police – but by victims – as black. The National Crime Victimization Survey shows that the number of blacks arrested generally correlates with the number of offenders identified as black by victims.
Studies suggest that the reasons behind blacks being more likely to commit violent crimes are the dual issues of poverty (which exacerbates family breakdown) and a sub-culture amongst the black community that is tolerant of and glamorizes crime and violence. In the aftermath of the Ferguson and Baltimore riots, we saw the white metropolitan liberal media further legitimize this violence by openly justifying and even endorsing violent unrest that targeted mainly black-owned businesses.
This is true racism – by encouraging blacks to loot and riot, the white liberal media is helping to keep black communities in a cycle of destructive behavior that will lead to more police brutality targeted against black people.
Police brutality is a huge problem within the United States, and anyone that denies that fact is a part of the problem. But until we acknowledge and address the equally important issue of violent criminality within the black community, and until that becomes part of the national conversation, the issue is never going to be resolved.
And by failing to make these facts part of the conversation, black political leaders, protest organizers, and the white liberal media is complicit in perpetuating the chain reaction of violence that makes more police brutality against black people an inevitable outcome.
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BLACK CRIME FACTS THAT THE WHITE LIBERAL MEDIA DAREN’T TALK ABOUT -
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Is it true yes or no?
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The fact that it mentions "liberal media" is an indication of the quality and bias this article likely entails.
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"This has led to the growth of a divisive movement – ‘Black Lives Matter’ – which has only served to further polarize America down racial lines, obsessing on skin color and invoking white guilt, while ignoring the true causes of and solutions to police brutality."
Yawn. The thing I hate most about white ppl reaction to BLM is this insulting idea that ? wasn't complaining about police brutality until Ferguson. ? please.
Conservatives will make every damn excuse in the book for criminal white folks that bust they guns at Federal police in Ruby Ridge or Waco or a National Wildlife Refuge.......but legal gun owners like Corey Jones or Philando get no forgiveness or leeway and are blamed for their own murders.
They ain't slick
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Care about what racist people believe bruhs
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If racism IS a factor at all, its the first factor that needs to be looked at, spoke about, and dealt with.
Because racism/white supremacy is why black people are in the position they are in.
White people love to act like racism is some little blip on the radar. Man ? outta here. -
I don't give a ? what the supposed "stats" are.
If a particular Black person isn't committing a crime, a pig shouldn't have any business ? with them. [full stop]
And a cop should never have any authority to ? an innocent person and get away with it.
Discussing these so-called "stats" / "facts" in that context is some straw man ? .
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There's the question do we commit more crime, or are the numbers a reflection of the fact blk ppl are disporpritonately targeted and arrested by the police
Then a lot of cases end in plea deals regardless of a persons guilt because many ppl cannot afford adequate legal representation. Blk ppl especially
But i would argue you see more violence in blk neighborhoods more because the inhabitants are more disadvantaged, live in areas with high concentrations of poverty and less access to public services
If you control for deprivation, people of different races would be similarly predisposed to commit certain crime
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It's been set up for us to know since we got here. It will continue to be set up for us to lose. I think that mitigates some of the blame we have to take one for these statistics.
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JoshuaMoshua wrote: »The fact that it mentions "liberal media" is an indication of the quality and bias this article likely entails.
Are you saying that there is no liberal media? If so, I disagree.
I also don't think "liberal media" discounts the whole article, if that is indeed an implication you're making. I think the article speaks for itself and provides some good evidence.
We also know that all articles contain bias, and bias is not necessarily a "bad" thing. What only matters, imo, is the evidence.
If you find faulty evidence, feel free to point it out. I don't think a mentioning of "liberal media" counts as faulty evidence. But I obviously understand your apprehension.
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Swiffness! wrote: »"This has led to the growth of a divisive movement – ‘Black Lives Matter’ – which has only served to further polarize America down racial lines, obsessing on skin color and invoking white guilt, while ignoring the true causes of and solutions to police brutality."
Yawn. The thing I hate most about white ppl reaction to BLM is this insulting idea that ? wasn't complaining about police brutality until Ferguson. ? please.
Conservatives will make every damn excuse in the book for criminal white folks that bust they guns at Federal police in Ruby Ridge or Waco or a National Wildlife Refuge.......but legal gun owners like Corey Jones or Philando get no forgiveness or leeway and are blamed for their own murders.
They ain't slick
I agree what you've said here, but I don't necessarily see the quoted material from the article as implying or saying that black folk wasn't complaining about police brutality until Ferguson. Meh. -
"If there is a high number of violent crime where the victim(s) and perpetrator(s) are both black, how can blacks decry any law enforcement misconduct towards black people?"
^That's the argument you'll see.
I said it in another thread: Many believe it's an immutable fact of nature that we black people are genetically predisposed to be dangerous violent criminals. And as a result, they believe highly aggressive use of force used against us is justified and necessary for the safety of officers and the betterment of society.
Those statistics on our violent criminality further reinforces these beliefs. -
SolemnSauce wrote: »Care about what racist people believe bruhs
Do I care what racist people believe? Yes, I do. And many of you, in some shape or form, do also, regardless of what you might say to the contrary. Of course, I don't care about everything they believe.
Imo, racism comes from two places. Ignorance and/or stupidity. Those of the latter might be hopeless and thus rightfully disregarded. But those of the former can be and should be "saved," at the very least for the sake of the sanity of me and mine. Mutual understanding is the basis of peace. -
SolemnSauce wrote: »Care about what racist people believe bruhs
Do I care what racist people believe? Yes, I do. And many of you, in some shape or form, do also, regardless of what you might say to the contrary. Of course, I don't care about everything they believe.
Imo, racism comes from two places. Ignorance and/or stupidity. Those of the latter might be hopeless and thus rightfully disregarded. But those of the former can be and should be "saved," at the very least for the sake of the sanity of me and mine. Mutual understanding is the basis of peace.
So you either ignore them or "save" them ?
Racism is getting Black people killed by the numbers every day and those are the options ? You can't be serious. -
If racism IS a factor at all, its the first factor that needs to be looked at, spoke about, and dealt with.
Because racism/white supremacy is why black people are in the position they are in.
White people love to act like racism is some little blip on the radar. Man ? outta here.
Agreed. Can't see how anyone can disagree much with that.
However, I strongly believe that racism shouldn't hog the stage (not saying that you're advocating that). There are so many other factors that we should consider as well. It would be senseless to not look, speak, and deal with them as well and with as much vigor. Race/racism is not the be all and end all. -
I don't give a ? what the supposed "stats" are.
If a particular Black person isn't committing a crime, a pig shouldn't have any business ? with them. [full stop]
I generally agree, but I don't understand why the two can't coexist. Why slam "stats" in order to make that point? Stats can remain important and even supportive with regard to the argument that cops shouldn't abuse their authority. It seems like you're setting up a false, unnecessary, and counter-productive binary opposition.And a cop should never have any authority to ? an innocent person and get away with it.
Discussing these so-called "stats" / "facts" in that context is some straw man ? .
I really don't understand your point here. I believe that no one, including neither me or the author of the article, is disputing anything you said. In fact, what you said is obviously true.
Did you read the article? What specifically is your objection to the article? -
Higher poverty = Higher crime
That was stated in the article....
The rest of the ? is based on a white perspective......
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So blacks do do half the murders in the usa...ok ..
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I don't give a ? what the supposed "stats" are.
If a particular Black person isn't committing a crime, a pig shouldn't have any business ? with them. [full stop]
I generally agree, but I don't understand why the two can't coexist. Why slam "stats" in order to make that point? Stats can remain important and even supportive with regard to the argument that cops shouldn't abuse their authority. It seems like you're setting up a false, unnecessary, and counter-productive binary opposition.And a cop should never have any authority to ? an innocent person and get away with it.
Discussing these so-called "stats" / "facts" in that context is some straw man ? .
I really don't understand your point here. I believe that no one, including neither me or the author of the article, is disputing anything you said. In fact, what you said is obviously true.
Did you read the article? What specifically is your objection to the article?
Let me simplify then -
I don't see what relevance the article has to cops getting away with killing innocent Black people
- so ? the article.
That said, if it's about having a genuine discussion about cops getting away with killing Black people, why not stick to relevant ? ? Like did he point a gun at you ? Was he trying to ? you ? Did you see him commit a crime ? -
Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »There's the question do we commit more crime, or are the numbers a reflection of the fact blk ppl are disporpritonately targeted and arrested by the police
Yes, an important question, but your two potential answers aren't mutually exclusive. The obvious answer to me seems to be both, and both are backed by evidence. Both have a relationship with one another.
I believe the article makes this point and more.Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Then a lot of cases end in plea deals regardless of a persons guilt because many ppl cannot afford adequate legal representation. Blk ppl especially
Yes, a very important point that is not nearly as emphasized as it should be. And this supports the argument that racism helps drives "black crime."Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »But i would argue you see more violence in blk neighborhoods more because the inhabitants are more disadvantaged, live in areas with high concentrations of poverty and less access to public services
If you control for deprivation, people of different races would be similarly predisposed to commit certain crime
Yes, I agree. Do you think I disagree? I believe that the article makes this same exact point. -
It's been set up for us to know since we got here. It will continue to be set up for us to lose. I think that mitigates some of the blame we have to take one for these statistics.
If I understand you correctly, I generally agree.
However, I believe that no excuse can or should be made to give up responsibility (I'm not necessarily saying that you're saying this) for ourselves and our actions and decisions. I also believe that regardless of our woes and disadvantages, we still have a great potential for agency and change (I'm not necessarily saying that you disagree with this). -
Doesn't matter how much of certain crimes black people commit, white people created the ghetto, and so are ultimately responsible for black crime.
But black crime almost certainly does contribute to anti-black racism.
So this is what happens historically (simplifying somewhat) : White oppression ---> black crime ---> more white racism.
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"If there is a high number of violent crime where the victim(s) and perpetrator(s) are both black, how can blacks decry any law enforcement misconduct towards black people?"
^That's the argument you'll see.
I said it in another thread: Many believe it's an immutable fact of nature that we black people are genetically predisposed to be dangerous violent criminals. And as a result, they believe highly aggressive use of force used against us is justified and necessary for the safety of officers and the betterment of society.
I agree. That's a ? argument, but it does point some of the problem to the system of police enforcement rather than white people per se. If black cops go just as hard as white cops, the problem isn't always necessarily about race per se but rather the institution of police enforcement and perhaps civil service and thus government altogether.Those statistics on our violent criminality further reinforces these beliefs.
I would argue that those stats can reinforce those beliefs. Those stats can also provide clarity. Those stats are generally true, imo, but far from concluding that blacks are naturally violent, they can offer clarity because those stats exist for a reason, that is, they are a reflection of black struggle and oppression.
We shouldn't stick our heads in the sand in the face of apparently unattractive facts. Instead, we should confront these facts and dig deeper to what the truth of the matter is.
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SolemnSauce wrote: »Care about what racist people believe bruhs
Do I care what racist people believe? Yes, I do. And many of you, in some shape or form, do also, regardless of what you might say to the contrary. Of course, I don't care about everything they believe.
Imo, racism comes from two places. Ignorance and/or stupidity. Those of the latter might be hopeless and thus rightfully disregarded. But those of the former can be and should be "saved," at the very least for the sake of the sanity of me and mine. Mutual understanding is the basis of peace.
So you either ignore them or "save" them ?
Racism is getting Black people killed by the numbers every day and those are the options ? You can't be serious.
Ugh, I'm already not too optimistic about the trajectory of our conversation. It seem that you've already decided to not even try to understand what I'm saying but instead are misconstruing my words and assuming the worst.
Let me be clear: Yes, those are options when dealing with racists, imo. Are they the only options? Of course not. How is that not obvious?? C'mon, man. I'm really not even sure what your beef is.
