White Supremacist rally in Charlottesville
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Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Also...
Groups like BAMN, antifa activists don’t wield anything like the alt right’s power. The alt right who cohorts with white supremacist, nationalists. White supremacy havign been government policy for all our history. They have no support in Congress. They have no Steve Banon in the white house. They don't have a Fox News equivalent
*sigh* Once again, I agree.Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »BAMN, antifa’s vision is not as noxious. From the research that I've done, antifa activists do not celebrate regimes that committed genocide and enforced slavery. They’re mostly anarchists, but it’s not an ideology that depicts the members of a particular race or religion as subhuman
Yes, the tactics of BAMN and antifa are at times problematic, counter productive and shouldn't been tolerated. But it's not like members who commit illegal acts aren't promptly arrested. And they have little to no powerful friends and supporters on the left who are trying to make the case their actions are always justified
*predictable ? contest about a matter in which the both of us already agree intensifies for some odd reason*Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Otherwise I see no issue with them or anyone wanting to disrupt these white nationalist gatherings without inciting violence. Interference with speech is an expression of free speech. Resistance doesn't have to be quiet
Surprise, again! I agree!Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »And all things considered, its not hard to see why everyone is a bit more concerned/ preoccupied with the growth of the alt-right, white nationalism, neo nazis, etc
Our 605,054,343th agreement! What a milestone!Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Someone wants to really undermine antifa, comparing their numbers or their cause to actual white nationalist and supremacists is not the way. It's laughable and dangerous
I know, right?Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »I'll go even a step further than i did earlier, after alil introspection, comparing to Trump to Hilter can be dangerous
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blackgod813 wrote: »blackgod813 wrote: »I know people hate racism an the ? but are we saying they have no right to assemble...
Who said that? Those mufukas been assembling for generations ? .
Lol true..but antifa saying they gonna show up every where they at an fight.. .
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Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »
Your questions are honest? ? lol
Haha, more claims without evidence. Pass.
For one, actual footage that's freely available on the internet.
"Comparable"? Not sure if you're using that accurately to describe my point. For the millionth time, I believe I merely said that the two have used unjustified violence, regardless.
You're making my small reasonable comparison into something bigger that I don't even subscribe to. I'm not concerned about a ? contest between neo-nazis and Antifa. Once again...? it, I'm tired of repeating myself.
Lol
Are you trolling me
I understand nuance and the complicity of the situation but come on now
At times your being purposely vague or dodging my inquiries all together
That said...
I asked what factions on the left are comparable to the neo nazis or white nationalists ????
These are your wordsOne easy answer that I'm sure you're aware of (though the media rarely covers them) is Antifa. There are many other obvious examples that are generally comparable. But I think you mean comparable in terms of violence? Such examples are BAMN and Refuse Fascism. Have you heard of George Soros? If there's one main point I want to raise is the lack of fair media coverage and the ? that comes from both sides.
Evidence imho you aren't this man of reason you are trying so desperately to portray yourself to be
And please provide links to this footage that's freely available on the internet
Enlighten me bae
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blackgod813 wrote: »I know people hate racism an the ? but are we saying they have no right to assemble...
Of course they can assemble, but those fascists and racsicts should know they wont get to operate in a safe space.
Ironically, let's be careful of not being politically correct with a bunch of racists that are espousing anti-democratic ideas.
They already have the White House and now they are about to hold rallies across the country. What else are we going to give up?
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THESE JEWS ? MY CITY WITH DEY FANCY MONEY AN THANK DEY TAKING OLE GLORIA DOWN WE WILL JOO JOO JOO
.....g ? im asking around nobody even knew this ? was there an u know how much i go to court -
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wtf is there a confederate monument in AZ for?
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stringer bell wrote: »
Happy I didn't post that "I'm happy there's no confederate monument near me" post. -
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/346915-trump-is-right-the-alt-left-exists-and-theyre-no-betterOPINION | Trump is right: The alt-left exists and the media ignores it
BY SHERIFF DAVID A. CLARKE,
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http://www.wxyz.com/news/metro-detroit-man-flying-confederate-flag-says-black-people-arent-welcomeMacomb Co. man flying confederate flag says 'black people' aren't welcome
Syma Chowdhry
ROSEVILLE, Mich. (WXYZ) - A Roseville resident put up a confederate flag on his home Tuesday night, which has offended some his neighbors.
The man lives on Ronald Street and it is clear what the Confederate flag means to him. He said, "That means not welcome."
7 Action News asked him who is not welcome? He said, "Arabic people. Black people."
He did not want to give us his name but did not mind giving us his opinion.
The man tells us he is an Army veteran who was injured in Iraq.
He says his injuries impaired his speech, but not his freedom of speech.
He has ? symbol tattoos and says he supports ? because he is of German descent.
We asked him what would he say to people who are offended by his flag?
His answer: "I've got nothing to say."
We got tipped off about the flag when a Facebook user saw it as she drove around Roseville Tuesday.
The man patiently answered our questions and respectfully referred to 7 Action News Reporter Syma Chowdhry as "ma'am."
But he says he doesn't regret putting up the Confederate flag.
That doesn't mean neighbors like it.
One man tells us this is not reflective of the Roseville community.
"I think it's offensive to a lot of people," a neighbor said.
We talked with several neighbors off camera and some of them said they do not mind the flag but we couldn't get them to state that on the record.
The mayor of Roseville had this statement:
"The City of Roseville does not promote the flying of a Confederate Flag by anyone but it is the right of our citizens to fly one if they feel it's necessary which is a right given to them by our US Constitution. I will personally have our code enforcement personnel check on this residence to make sure that no code enforcement violations are occurring. Roseville does not promote racism or any type of bigotry our city is a very diverse community which revolves around family and friends." -
What's the Over/Under on one of these racist CACs defacing the MLK monument when they try to have their little rally in DC?
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stringer bell wrote: »http://www.wxyz.com/news/metro-detroit-man-flying-confederate-flag-says-black-people-arent-welcomeMacomb Co. man flying confederate flag says 'black people' aren't welcome
Syma Chowdhry
ROSEVILLE, Mich. (WXYZ) - A Roseville resident put up a confederate flag on his home Tuesday night, which has offended some his neighbors.
The man lives on Ronald Street and it is clear what the Confederate flag means to him. He said, "That means not welcome."
7 Action News asked him who is not welcome? He said, "Arabic people. Black people."
He did not want to give us his name but did not mind giving us his opinion.
The man tells us he is an Army veteran who was injured in Iraq.
He says his injuries impaired his speech, but not his freedom of speech.
He has ? symbol tattoos and says he supports ? because he is of German descent.
We asked him what would he say to people who are offended by his flag?
His answer: "I've got nothing to say."
We got tipped off about the flag when a Facebook user saw it as she drove around Roseville Tuesday.
The man patiently answered our questions and respectfully referred to 7 Action News Reporter Syma Chowdhry as "ma'am."
But he says he doesn't regret putting up the Confederate flag.
That doesn't mean neighbors like it.
One man tells us this is not reflective of the Roseville community.
"I think it's offensive to a lot of people," a neighbor said.
We talked with several neighbors off camera and some of them said they do not mind the flag but we couldn't get them to state that on the record.
The mayor of Roseville had this statement:
"The City of Roseville does not promote the flying of a Confederate Flag by anyone but it is the right of our citizens to fly one if they feel it's necessary which is a right given to them by our US Constitution. I will personally have our code enforcement personnel check on this residence to make sure that no code enforcement violations are occurring. Roseville does not promote racism or any type of bigotry our city is a very diverse community which revolves around family and friends."
My neighbor right across from when we was kids had the biggest confederate flag flying my fam from new york came down a wanted to fight
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Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Lol
Are you trolling me
No, I'm not. But if you're convinced that I am, which seems to be the case (which is hilarious, because I've been an open book that has not only agreed with you a lot and have respectfully disagreed with you but also because I have nothing to hide), then shouldn't you stop feeding the troll? It's no biggie to me. You won't hurt my feelings if you choose to not speak with me.Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »I understand nuance and the complicity of the situation but come on now
At times your being purposely vague or dodging my inquiries all together
Again, I disagree. Again, for the millionth time, I ask for evidence. Again, you really should consider the easy possibility that there's simply been a misunderstanding and that in order to resolve such a plausible misunderstanding, we should focus on further questions for clarification.
I'd rather not get into talking in circles. I believe I've made my points quite clear. If you disagree, please quote me.Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »That said...
I asked what factions on the left are comparable to the neo nazis or white nationalists ????
These are your words:
"One easy answer that I'm sure you're aware of (though the media rarely covers them) is Antifa. There are many other obvious examples that are generally comparable. But I think you mean comparable in terms of violence? Such examples are BAMN and Refuse Fascism. Have you heard of George Soros? If there's one main point I want to raise is the lack of fair media coverage and the ? that comes from both sides."
Thank you!! Finally, you reveal a relevant quote that we can look at together as a point of reference. Now, I think I see the misunderstanding. My answer was in less general reference - to the very subject of this thread as well as other recent events. Not in more general reference - to American history.
As I've said, it seems we are/were talking about slightly different subjects. As I've said, your points in reference to American history are already painfully obvious, and I agree with them. I was speaking rather more specifically about, once again, violence from both sides of recent events. And again, I wasn't saying one was worse than the other. I was simply condemning unjustified violence from both Antifa and, say, the KKK at recent events.
Really? Did you think that I was making the argument that the violence from the KKK, which has a 200-year existence in America, is dwarfed by the violence from Antifa, which apparently has a relatively very recent presence in America?
I could very well link Antifa to the historic and modern "evils" of C/communism but I won't, simply because that's irrelevant to my point (not to mention the aforementioned link bears less relevance to America but more relevance to the world at large).
Please, let me know if there are any other major misunderstandings or if you even think there were no misunderstandings to begin with.Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Evidence imho you aren't this man of reason you are trying so desperately to portray yourself to be
"Desperately"? Hahahaha, I wasn't even aware I was trying. I respect your opinion, but once again, you've already said this before, and I've already responded to this.Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »And I really have no idea what you meant when you said that "your questions are honest"
Haha, I thought that could be a possibility, but if that's indeed the case, then I wonder why you responded (and might I add, strongly responded) as if you did?
When I say "honest questions," I mean that most, if not all, my questions are not rhetorical, not snarky, not loaded, not leading, etc. My questions are simply honest, for the purpose of resolving my ignorance with knowledge. I don't know; therefore, I ask in order to know.
I make this seemingly trivial clarification so that my intentions are clear and present. Tone is something that is not carried over well via text on the internet, so I don't want my questions to be misinterpreted. As I've said, I have nothing to hide, and I'm not interested in e-beefs. I just want a civil and productive discussion. -
Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »And please provide links to this footage that's freely available on the internet
OK, here's two links from the left, since I'm not sure that rightist sources will be accepted, but let me add two links from the right since I do believe the left hasn't been very fair in their coverage of Antifa, and these two sources point that out well.
1.Modern-day members of Antifa have become more active in making themselves known at public rallies and within the progressive movement, said Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University, San Bernardino.
"What they're trying to do now is not only become prominent through violence at these high-profile rallies, but also to reach out through small meetings and through social networking to cultivate disenfranchised progressives who heretofore were peaceful," Levin said.
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While it can be difficult to distinguish Antifa activists from other protesters, some dress head to toe in black. Members call this the "Black Bloc."
They also wear masks to hide their identities from the police and whomever they are protesting.
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The group is known for causing damage to property during protests. In Berkeley, black-clad protesters wearing masks threw Molotov cocktails and smashed windows at the student union center where the Yiannopoulos event was to be held.
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Levin said Antifa activists feel the need to partake in violence because "they believe that elites are controlling the government and the media. So they need to make a statement head-on against the people who they regard as racist."
"There's this 'It's going down' mentality and this 'Hit them with your boots' mentality that goes back many decades to confrontations that took place, not only here in the American South, but also in places like Europe," he added.
White nationalists and other members of the so-called alt-right have denounced members of Antifa, sometimes calling them the "alt-left." Many white nationalists from the Charlottesville rallies claimed it was the Antifa groups that led the protests to turn violent.
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"These are people who preach tolerance and love while at the same time threatening people with a different political ideology. We go to our rallies and they harass us and attack us but they held theirs and we ignore them. You don't see right-wing protests get like this," Cvjetanovic told CNN affiliate KRNV.
But Crow said the philosophy of Antifa is based on the idea of direct action. "The idea in Antifa is that we go where they (right-wingers) go. That hate speech is not free speech. That if you are endangering people with what you say and the actions that are behind them, then you do not have the right to do that.
"And so we go to cause conflict, to shut them down where they are, because we don't believe that Nazis or fascists of any stripe should have a mouthpiece."
What Is Antifa?by Jessica Suerth (CNN)
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From anti-fascist website It's Going Down (the namesake previously alluded to in the above article): We'll Beat 'Em Again!: Take the Fight against Fascism to the Walls of Your Neighborhood - It's Going Down. Though I actually like the poster.
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Valid(?) Criticism of Antifa, regarding Charlottesville
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUXJh65aSoU
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Valid(?) Criticism of Antifa, regarding Berkeley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeSIX9CijeoMadame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Enlighten me bae
Just in case, I want to make it clear that I never meant any offense. -
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stringer bell wrote: »
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/346915-trump-is-right-the-alt-left-exists-and-theyre-no-betterOPINION | Trump is right: The alt-left exists and the media ignores it
BY SHERIFF DAVID A. CLARKE,
Sheriff Shuck & Jive continues to tap dance for his ? …
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Reversed game on em..
wait..
so a bunch of muthafuckas tore down a statue and the cops only chose to arrest and prosecute the one black person in the crowd??!
lmmfao
and ? wonder why i say we need to sit this one out!!? smmfh -
But for how long are we gonna sit it out?
I hoping Chartlottesville was just an aberration, but this ? could matestasize.
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naledgestate wrote: »
But for how long are we gonna sit it out?
I hoping Chartlottesville was just an aberration, but this ? could matestasize.
? don't forget why the KKK was formed. It wasn't to scare Jews or Catholics post civil war.
these cacs is out there protesting they momuments gettin takin down..
why are u suggesting ? partake in these counter protests?!
if they was out here burnin crosses in black neighborhoods ud have a point..
but they not so u dont..
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naledgestate wrote: »
But for how long are we gonna sit it out?
I hoping Chartlottesville was just an aberration, but this ? could matestasize.
? don't forget why the KKK was formed. It wasn't to scare Jews or Catholics post civil war.
these cacs is out there protesting they momuments gettin takin down..
why are u suggesting ? partake in these counter protests?!
if they was out here burnin crosses in black neighborhoods ud have a point..
but they not so u dont..
go sit down somewhere and enjoy the show..
I feel like we do pick the wrong stuff to fight wayyyy too many times and the fights we should pick we don't do it often enough. I'm not down with that. -
naledgestate wrote: »
But for how long are we gonna sit it out?
I hoping Chartlottesville was just an aberration, but this ? could matestasize.
? don't forget why the KKK was formed. It wasn't to scare Jews or Catholics post civil war.
these cacs is out there protesting they momuments gettin takin down..
why are u suggesting ? partake in these counter protests?!
if they was out here burnin crosses in black neighborhoods ud have a point..
but they not so u dont..
go sit down somewhere and enjoy the show..
So black people as principle victims of white supremacy and racism are not supposed to offer resistance to a white supremacy uprising when we see it? The white counter-protesters get to choose when sit ? out..... they are white. Unfortunately we cant sit nothing out because the ? is in your face every ? day because of the color of our skin.
Those racists cacs are not history buffs who happen to like sculptures of the past. Those sculptures are rallying points and symbols of how the white man kept his foot on our neck. They want their groups to grow and take more ? over. You heard the chants.
Those white people in the counter-protest are gonna be alright. Meanwhile we gonna stay black. I really dont understand ? sometimes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM4OtU56e6c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAI_AiF-3hc
