So this Lauryn Hill vs. Jean Grae debate is STILL an interesting one...
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shout out to Trenton, PRT
Much respect, shoutout to Hillside, East Orange and Elizabeth -
Can't wait for Cake or Death. -
Do you deny Budden and Grae have incredible ability on the mic, presense and technical skills
I'm denying that Joe Budden is in mostly everybody's top 10 dead or alive lists. Nas is. You just compared Lauryn Hill to Nas and Eugene Grey to Josephus Buttondown.
Thanks for agreeing with me tho. -
Jean Grae...........
lol @ you listening to 6 minutes of that ? . How did you not fall asleep? -
soul rattler wrote: »lol @ you listening to 6 minutes of that ? . How did you not fall asleep?
LMAO... but its a good song tho....
what seperates people like Jay, Phonte, and Jean to people like Ye, Andre, and L Boogie is that Jay and them are can rap better than Ye and them....
but Ye and them can make better songs and can think outside the box more... but thinking outside the box has its gifts and curse... see 808s, Love Below, and Unplugged... -
straightupsho wrote: »Much respect, shoutout to Hillside, East Orange and Elizabeth
*daps* props my dude -
LMAO... but its a good song tho....
what seperates people like Jay, Phonte, and Jean to people like Ye, Andre, and L Boogie is that Jay and them are can rap better than Ye and them....
but Ye and them can make better songs and can think outside the box more... but thinking outside the box has its gifts and curse... see 808s, Love Below, and Unplugged...
I hope you're not talking about Jay Electronica because how dare you group him in with those losers... And Kanye isn't even a part of this conversation. -
soul rattler wrote: »I'm denying that Joe Budden is in mostly everybody's top 10 dead or alive lists. Nas is. You just compared Lauryn Hill to Nas and Eugene Grey to Josephus Buttondown.
Thanks for agreeing with me tho.
I wasn't sweatin ppl's top ten, I'm just focusing on skills... can them two ? the mic or not -
soul rattler wrote: »Take at good look at your thread. It's backfiring as you type!
I know what you're thinking... "damn... not again!"
lmao #LBOOGIE
LMAO. I hate you. I wish you'd ? die already. And I thought you did, but much to my chagrin, you're still alive...and just as much of a ? now as you were before.
Fail. -
soul rattler wrote: »I hope you're not talking about Jay Electronica because how dare you group him in with those losers... And Kanye isn't even a part of this conversation.
Jay Z... and I used Kanye because hes like Ms. Hill and 3Stacks
Jay Electronica is like Nas and Doom to me -
That's exactly what your post implied, without you flat out saying it, verbatim.
To dismiss Jean because, in your opinion, she doesn't hold the listener's attention...is shallow. And makes you just as bad as the ? posting in here who only likes rappers because they're popular...
thats not shallow. i get paid to perform. if i cant hold the listeners ear then i aint considered good. thats part of being a good artist , point blank. -
damn i get ppl like l boogie but y ? on Jean in the process? shes actually a female who can rap jus as good as most dudes...y hate on her when shes hip hop thru n thru jus coz u prefer lauryn? reason stays wack...
this ? gave me goosebumps when i 1st heard it
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jean grey raw but she got this boring backpacker-ish thing about her that makes me not be able to listen to more of two of her better songs in one sitting. shes very technically astute but she lacks the "it" factor. lauryn got this....
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The_Invincibles wrote: »damn i get ppl like l boogie but y ? on Jean in the process? shes actually a female who can rap jus as good as most dudes...y hate on her when shes hip hop thru n thru jus coz u prefer lauryn? reason stays wack...
this ? gave me goosebumps when i 1st heard it
? is salty because Jean is known for writing her own ? . Unlike Lauryn, who got sued for not properly crediting her ghostwriters on The Miseducation. -
? is salty because Jean is known for writing her own ? . Unlike Lauryn, who got sued for not properly crediting her ghostwriters on The Miseducation.
Lauryn wrote her verses, but not all her singing lyrics -
? is salty because Jean is known for writing her own ? . Unlike Lauryn, who got sued for not properly crediting her ghostwriters on The Miseducation.
I thought that was ghost producers and musicians. I'm quite sure she can write her own ? . -
straightupsho wrote: »Lauryn wrote her verses, but not all her singing lyrics
The lawsuit says otherwise. -
I thought that was ghost producers, and they sued Hill AND Clef. I'm quite sure she can write her own ? .
the group she made Miseducation with were producers and songwriters. Lauryn Hill been writing her rhymes since Blunted -
straightupsho wrote: »the group she made Miseducation with were producers and songwriters. Lauryn Hill been writing her rhymes since Blunted
Though The Miseducation was largely a collaborative work between Hill and a group of musicians known as New Ark (Vada Nobles, Rasheem Pugh, Tejumold and Johari Newton), there was "label pressure to do the Prince thing," wherein all tracks would be credited as "written and produced by" the artist with little outside help.[19][66] While recording the album, when Hill was asked about providing contracts or documentation to the musicians, she replied, "We all love each other. This ain't about documents. This is blessed."[19]
In 1998, New Ark filed a fifty-page lawsuit against Hill, her management, also her record label, stating that Hill "used their songs and production skills, but failed to properly credit them for the work."[67] The musicians claimed to be the primary songwriters on two tracks, and major contributors on several others,[68] though Gordon Williams, a prominent recorder, engineer, and mixer on The Miseducation described the album as a "powerfully personal effort by Hill" and stated, "It was definitely her vision."[68] In response to the lawsuit, Hill claimed that New Ark took advantage of her success.[69] New Ark requested partial writing credits, and monetary reimbursement.[70] The suit was eventually settled out of court in February 2001 for a reported $5 million.[71]
Songwriting doesn't always involve lyrics. Then again, I dunno.
And I was wrong... Clef was NOT involved in Miseducation. -
The lawsuit says otherwise.
So you have the lawsuit in your back pocket huh? Read it out for us -
The lawsuit says otherwise.
Stop lying duke. You're better than that. Where'd you read the court papers? You were at the trial ? ? -
Yo, she was a rose in Spanish Harlem, mamacita beg your pardon
Make stakes at a faster rate then she fornicates
Pure traits of genius, Goddess of Black Venus
Crab ? angry cause they can't get between us
to no sele-xion, smooth complex-ion
The lexicon of Lexington, parents came from Cuba
Part Mexican, pure sweet, dimes fell to her feet
She like Movado, and shook her hips like Delgado
And broke ? down from the Grounds to Apollo
and then some, she took her act sent it to dim sum
And waited patiently while the businessmen come
Call late on purpose, got even politicians nervous
And made plans to infiltrate the street secret service
This gentle flower, fertility was her power
Sweet persona, Venus Flytrap primadonna
Que sera que sera she turned dinero to dinera...
I'm a HUGE Jean fan but Lauryn imo is one of the most talented female artists of my generation PERIOD.... that's rappin OR singin. -
They settled for 5 million?... How much did they write?Though The Miseducation was largely a collaborative work between Hill and a group of musicians known as New Ark (Vada Nobles, Rasheem Pugh, Tejumold and Johari Newton), there was "label pressure to do the Prince thing," wherein all tracks would be credited as "written and produced by" the artist with little outside help.[19][66] While recording the album, when Hill was asked about providing contracts or documentation to the musicians, she replied, "We all love each other. This ain't about documents. This is blessed."[19]
In 1998, New Ark filed a fifty-page lawsuit against Hill, her management, also her record label, stating that Hill "used their songs and production skills, but failed to properly credit them for the work."[67] The musicians claimed to be the primary songwriters on two tracks, and major contributors on several others,[68] though Gordon Williams, a prominent recorder, engineer, and mixer on The Miseducation described the album as a "powerfully personal effort by Hill" and stated, "It was definitely her vision."[68] In response to the lawsuit, Hill claimed that New Ark took advantage of her success.[69] New Ark requested partial writing credits, and monetary reimbursement.[70] The suit was eventually settled out of court in February 2001 for a reported $5 million.[71]
Songwriting doesn't always involve lyrics. Then again, I dunno.
And I was wrong... Clef was NOT involved in Miseducation. -
Yo, there's a war in the mind, over territory
For the dominion
Who will dominate the opinion
Skisms and isms, keepin' us in forms of religion
Conformin' our vision
To the world churches decision
Trapped in a section
Submitted to committee election
Moral infection
Epedemic lies and deception
Insurrection
Of the highest possible order
Destortin' our tape recorders
From here and like under water
Beyond the borders
Fond of sin and disorder
Bound by the strategy
It's systematic deprivaty
Heavy as gravity
Head first in the cavity
Without a bottom
A fate worse than ?
What's got 'em
? of the spirits
Truth comes, we can't hear it
When you've been, programmed to fear it
I had a vision
I was fallin' in indescision
Apollin', callin' religion
Some program on television
How can dominant wisdom
Be recognized in the system
Of Anti-Christ, the majority rules
Intelligent fools
PhD's in illusion
Masters of mass confusion
Bachelors in past illusion
Now who you choosin'
The head or the tail
The bloodshed of male
Or confidance in the veil
Conferences of Yale
Discussin' doctrines of Baal
Causin' people to fail
Keepin' the third in jail
His word has nailed
Everything to the tree
Severing all of me from all that I used to be
Formless and void
Totally paranoid
Enjoy darkness as the Lord
Keepin' me from the sword
Blocked from mercy
Bitter than cerasee
Hungry and thirsty
For good meat we would eat
And still, dined at the table of deceit
How incomplete
From confrontation to retreat
We prolong the true enemies defeat
Destitute a necessity
Causin' desperation to get the best of me
Punishment 'til there was nothing left of me
Realizin' the unescapable death of me
No options in the valley of decision
The only doctrine, supernatural circumcision
Inwardly only water can purge the heart
From words, the fiery darts
Thrown by the workers of the arts
Iniquity, shapen in
There's no escapin' when
You're whole philosophy is paper thin
In vanity
The wide road is insanity
Could it be all of humanity?
Picture that
Scripture that
The origin of man's heart is black
How can we show up for
An invisible war
Preoccupied with a shadow, makin' love with a ?
Achin' in sores
Babylon, the great mystery
Mother of human history
System of social sorcery
Our present condition
Needs serious recognition
Where there's no repentance there can be no remission
And that sentence, more serious than Vietnam
The atom bomb, and Saddam, and Minister Farakkhan
What's goin' on, what's the priority to you
by what authority do we do
the majority hasn't a clue
We majored in curses
Search the chapters, check the verses
Recapture the land
Remove the mark from off of our hands
So we can stand
In agreement with his command
Everything else is damned
Let them with ears understand
Everything else is damned, let them with ears understand....
L. Boogie >>> ________. -
*I.B. Blackman* wrote: »
Yo, there's a war in the mind, over territory
For the dominion
Who will dominate the opinion
Skisms and isms, keepin' us in forms of religion
Conformin' our vision
To the world churches decision
Trapped in a section
Submitted to committee election
Moral infection
Epedemic lies and deception
Insurrection
Of the highest possible order
Destortin' our tape recorders
From here and like under water
Beyond the borders
Fond of sin and disorder
Bound by the strategy
It's systematic deprivaty
Heavy as gravity
Head first in the cavity
Without a bottom
A fate worse than ?
What's got 'em
? of the spirits
Truth comes, we can't hear it
When you've been, programmed to fear it
I had a vision
I was fallin' in indescision
Apollin', callin' religion
Some program on television
How can dominant wisdom
Be recognized in the system
Of Anti-Christ, the majority rules
Intelligent fools
PhD's in illusion
Masters of mass confusion
Bachelors in past illusion
Now who you choosin'
The head or the tail
The bloodshed of male
Or confidance in the veil
Conferences of Yale
Discussin' doctrines of Baal
Causin' people to fail
Keepin' the third in jail
His word has nailed
Everything to the tree
Severing all of me from all that I used to be
Formless and void
Totally paranoid
Enjoy darkness as the Lord
Keepin' me from the sword
Blocked from mercy
Bitter than cerasee
Hungry and thirsty
For good meat we would eat
And still, dined at the table of deceit
How incomplete
From confrontation to retreat
We prolong the true enemies defeat
Destitute a necessity
Causin' desperation to get the best of me
Punishment 'til there was nothing left of me
Realizin' the unescapable death of me
No options in the valley of decision
The only doctrine, supernatural circumcision
Inwardly only water can purge the heart
From words, the fiery darts
Thrown by the workers of the arts
Iniquity, shapen in
There's no escapin' when
You're whole philosophy is paper thin
In vanity
The wide road is insanity
Could it be all of humanity?
Picture that
Scripture that
The origin of man's heart is black
How can we show up for
An invisible war
Preoccupied with a shadow, makin' love with a ?
Achin' in sores
Babylon, the great mystery
Mother of human history
System of social sorcery
Our present condition
Needs serious recognition
Where there's no repentance there can be no remission
And that sentence, more serious than Vietnam
The atom bomb, and Saddam, and Minister Farakkhan
What's goin' on, what's the priority to you
by what authority do we do
the majority hasn't a clue
We majored in curses
Search the chapters, check the verses
Recapture the land
Remove the mark from off of our hands
So we can stand
In agreement with his command
Everything else is damned
Let them with ears understand
Everything else is damned, let them with ears understand....
L. Boogie >>> ________.
Lies. And thanks for proving how mediocre LaurMAN is, ? .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkcCl6xErfY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcX7_57FRBo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjdVA7vqAg4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYU6lD7bJtM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mF7XYkAUk8