THE HISTORY AND TRUTH OF THE TRUE BIBLICAL HEBREW Ysraelites

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    shalom brother YAH bless you for the reminder and Todah yah for leading to this pag! HALLELUYAH!!!!
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    bambu wrote: »
    Props on the drop....
    The Hebrew scriptures and laws can be confusing to individuals unfamiliar with them. Thanks for the clarity brother

    No doubt brother clarity is needed for us in these days and times

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    shalom brother YAH bless you for the reminder and Todah yah for leading to this pag! HALLELUYAH!!!!

    SHALOM BROTHER and YAH bless to you and yours
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    ISRAELITE KING JEHU IN SUBMISSION

    This is the only known image of an Israelite king. Jehu, king of the northern Israelites, is shown bowing down to
    Shalmanesar, king of the Assyrians, approx. 682 b.c.e. (ref.2Kings 17:3)



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    CLOSE-UP OF ISRAELITE KING JEHU

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    RABBI'S

    Hebrew Israelites shouldn't refer to ourselves as Rabbi.

    Matthew 23: 8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Messiah; and all ye are brethren.

    Enough said.

    Other Jewish traditions and culture you don't want to get involved with are::

    1. THE JEWISH CALENDAR (they began their new year in Sept, when the scriptures say the new year begins with the month of Abib which is around "March" Or "April".

    2. THE 6-POINTED STAR OR SHIELD (Which ever name you refer). The 6 pointed Star is pure idolatry. It's an ancient Idol, that can be traced back to the old babylon under Nimrod. Today's witches and warlock uses this star along with the occult secret societies. Yah commanded us not to have idols, this includes the star, which has nothing to do with King David.

    3. WEEKLY SHABATH READINGS, (reading the torah is good, but the Jews have almost made a commandment that you must read certain scripture approved by their rabbi each week.

    4. MAKING AND WEARING FRINGES Be Careful that you are not doing this according to how the Jews do theirs, they are following the authority of the rabbi's and not Yah

    5.FESTIVAL (FEAST) DAYS OBSERVANCE
    Stick to the script, don't look to jews for knowledge on how to keep the feast days, check the scriptures. 9 times out of 10 the Jews are observing the feast according to the Rabbinic law found in the talmud

    AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST CALLING YOUR SELF A JEW. This is a big NO NO. Hebrew Israelites are not Jews, we are of the house of Israel, Jews are not. Only those true Israelites who convert to Judaism and do exactly as the Jews do, wear that misnomer title JEW. The Next page will explain this in full detail, why we are not Jews.

    Brothers and Sisters there is only one path to Yah, following Jewish tradition and customs will not put you on that path. YOU ARE NOT JEWS OR JEWISH, YOU DO NOT FOLLOW JUDAISM.

    Stick to the scriptures, leave those other man made devices and doctrines alone. I will have a follow up to this page called 'WHY WE MUST NOT FOLLOW CHRISTIAN TRADITIONS, that too is just as important to know.
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    Now, I will refer to a few historical sources that are also in agreement with scripture about the physical appearance of the Hebrews. The Romans who knew the Hebrews well, had this to say about their physical appearance.

    A Roman historian named Tacitus who lived about C.E. 90 said, "Many assert that the Hebrews are an RACE OF ETHIOPIAN ORIGINS."



    No doubt, I have been reading Tacitus....

    A little more information on his description of the Israelite's....

    BOOK V
    THE CONQUEST OF JUDAEA

    Since I am coming now to describe the last days of this famous 2 city, it may not seem out of place to recount
    here its early history. It is said that the Jews are refugees from Crete,[464] who settled on the confines of
    Libya at the time when Saturn was forcibly deposed by Jupiter. The evidence for this is sought in the name.
    Ida is a famous mountain in Crete inhabited by the Idaei,[465] whose name became lengthened into the foreign form Judaei. Others say that in the reign of Isis the superfluous population of Egypt, under the
    leadership of Hierosolymus and Juda, discharged itself upon the neighbouring districts, while there are many
    who think the Jews an Ethiopian stock, driven to migrate by their fear and dislike of King Cepheus
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    The Nationality Of The Hebrews
    Are They Or Their Descendants
    JEWS, ISRAELI'S, OR SEMITES??

    Another fact scripture gives us about Israel is that their name or nationality was never JEW ISRAELI, OR SEMITE.

    Scholars and "bible experts" say the name Jew was only applied to the tribe of Judah (Yahudah in the Hebrew). So, Moses could not have been a Jew because he was from the tribe of Levi making him a Levite (NUM 26:59). Those that were from the tribe of Yahudah, were known as Yahudites in Hebrew or Judahites in English, not Jews, and Yahudites only made up 1/12th of the nation of Israel.

    The word/name "JEW" is not a Hebrew word, it's English. There is no letter "J" or "J" equivalent in the Hebrew language. As a matter of fact, the letter "J" is one of the last letters to be added to the English alphabet. It was created in the 1600's in France, so there was not a letter "J" in existence during biblical times. In English, Jew means, those who practice a religion called Judaism. Since the ancient Hebrews didn't practice a religion called Judaism, the name Jew could not refer to the biblical children of Israel or their modern day descendants.

    The word "ISRAELI" is not mentioned in scripture. Israeli only refers to a citizen or resident living in the modern "STATE" of Israel. Israeli does not mean a descendant of Jacob, (Yaaqob in Hebrew) who's name was changed to Israel (Genesis 32:28). An Israeli and an Israelite are two different things.

    Neither can the word "SEMITE" be found in the bible. The biblical Israelites were Hebrews descendants from Shem, (Noah's son) through Abraham and through his son Isaac and through Isaac's son Jacob (Yaaqob / Israel). Israel had 12 sons who were all Hebrews (Deuteronomy 29:13). Neither Noah, Abraham, Isaac nor Jacob gave birth to a son named Seme or Sem. This means that the Semites could not be descendants of Abraham, Isaac, or Israel. So, it follows that they could not be Israelites, according to scripture.

    There was never a tribe among the children of Israel called Sem or Semite. There were only twelve tribes of Israel:

    REUBEN, SIMEON, LEVI, YAHUDAH, ZEBULON, ISSCAHAR, DAN, GAD, ASHER, NAPHTALI, JOSEPH, and BENJAMIN (Genesis 49:)
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    All twelve tribes were Hebrew Israelites, Hebrews because they were descendants of Abraham and Isaac, and Israelites because they also descended from Jacob who's name was change to Israel (Genesis 32:28).

    The Hebrews could be called Children of Shem to designate that they are descendants from Noah's son Shem, but not Semite, that not a proper term in reference to the Israelites.

    Semite is of relative recent origin. It comes from the 18th century (along with the word Jew). One of its uses was to designate those who spoke a certain language, such as Syrian, Hebrew, and Arabic. The name was given an extra meaning later, to include all those people who were "SUPPOSED" to be descendants of Noah's son Shem (not Sem). Over the years, Semite has come to mean Jew and Jew only. So, in modern day terminology Semite is synonymous with Jew or Jews.

    If the Jews are Semites, which they claim to be, this means they are not descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, which means they are not Israelites. Semite is a word made up by deceived men with little understanding of The Bible and should never be used in reference to the biblical Hebrew Israelites. It will only cause further confusion, to an already confused world, and since YHWH never refers to Israel as: JEWS, ISRAELI OR SEMITE, we shouldn't either.

    ADDENDUM THE FOLLOWING SECTION IS MY RESPONSE FROM AN ONLINE MESSAGE BOARD POSTED BY A BLACK JEW WHO PRACTICES JUDAISM. HE CLAIMED, THE USE OF THE MONIKER "HEBREW ISRAELITE" IS WRONG. IN MY RESPONSE, I MENTIONED A FEW THINGS THAT I NEGLECTED TO MENTION IN MY FIRST WRITING OF THIS SECTION, I EXPLAIN FULLY WHY WE ARE CALLED HEBREW ISRAELITES.
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    WHY WE USE HEBREW ISRAELITE

    The word Hebrew is an English word translated from the word Ibryi. Hebrew is the English equivalent to the word Ibryi. In the Tanakh, (Old Testament) when Ibriy is mentioned, it's in reference to those who are descendants of Abraham and Isaac. Whenever Hebrew is mentioned in the English translations, it's also in reference to those who are descendants of Abraham and Isaac. Both words carry the same meaning, but are spelled differently because of the different languages they are spoken in.

    Hebrews in the United States are an English speaking people. The mass majority of us grew up speaking English, it's our first language. Our first contact with scripture was with the English translation. So, since we are an English speaking people, we use the English words Hebrew and Israelite, which means the same as Ibryi and Ysrayl.

    Many Hebrew Israelites have an understanding of the Hebrew language, and when those who know the language are among each other they use Hebrew. But, when the objective is to reach an English speaking people who are not familiar with the Hebrew language, why attempt to speak to them in a language they won't understand? English speaking people who are familiar with the bible know of the words Hebrews and Israelites, many of them don't know about Ibriy or Ysrayl.
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    Since many Israelites are searching for truth, we endeavor to learn the language of our forefathers

    . The suffix "ITE" in the name Israelite was added later. Its use in the English translations was to identify descendants of a certain person, tribe or nation, such as the Hittites, Canaanite, Edomites etc. In the English translations, whenever Israelite(s) or Israel is mentioned it's in reference to those who were descendants of Jacob, (Yaaqob) whose name was changed to Israel, (Ysrayl) which was also the name of the Hebrews land.

    In the Tanakh (old testament), whenever Ysrayl is mentioned, it's in reference to those who are descendants of Jacob, or their land. So both words carry the same meaning, but they are spelled differently because of the different languages. This is called translation, where a word is given an equivalent meaning in another language. The spelling and pronunciation of the word changes, but not it's meaning.

    For instance, the ancient Egyptians didn't call their land Egypt, they called it Kemet /Khemet / KMT. The Hebrews called it Mizraim and Pathros, the Greeks called it Aegyptios, and in English it's called Egypt. All These names refer to the same African country, which means they all have the same meaning but are spelled and pronounced according to the language they are spoken in. This is the same with Hebrew and Israelite. Both are spoken and spelled differently than Ibriy and Ysrayl but they carry the same meaning.

    If we were a German speaking people, we would say Ibriy or Ysrayl (Hebrew Israelites) according to it's translations in German, If we spoke any other language we would say Ibriy and Yisrael according to the translations in that language. The scripture tells us that Israel was to be scattered among all nations, among all people, so I'm sure they didn't continue to speak in their native tongue.

    Yah has scattered his people among all nations and he speaks to them according to each nation's language. This is why the scriptures are translated into just about every language on Earth. Hebrew and Israelite don't run concurrently in scripture. But we are not corrupting those words by using them concurrently. The ancient nation of Israel descended from Abraham (a Hebrew) thus, we use Hebrew (which is the English equivalent of Ibriy )to denote a descent from Abraham and Isaac. Israel is also a descendant of Jacob (a Hebrew) who's name was changed to Israel / Ysrayl, (Genesis 32:28) thus we use Israelite, which is one of the English equivalents of Ysrayl to denote a descent from Jacob.

    As stated earlier, Jew, Israeli, and Semite are not used in scripture. Israel was not given a religion called Judaism.
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    FOR ALL MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS[img]: NEW TESTAMENT GREEK TO HEBREW DICTIONARY[/img]

    http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/bookstore/e-books/ntgh.pdf
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    Let me make my point clear about these words also.

    First, the word Jew is supposed to be the English translation of the word Yahudah and Yahudi. But it's not. In scripture, Yahudi refers to those of the tribe of Yahudah or from the domain of Yahudah. The name Yahudah took on another meaning after the splitting of the Israelite Kingdom into two halves, a northern half and a Southern Half. Those in the south were called Yahudah (named after the tribe of Yahudah) and the northern tribes kept the name Israel.

    If the name Jew is a translation of Yahudah or Yahudi, it should still have the same meaning. But it doesn't, Jew does not refer to those of the tribe of Yahudah or those living in Yahudah (which after 70 C.E. didn't exist as a country). Jew, means those who practice a religion called Judaism, and in it's most corrupt form it somehow takes on the same meaning as Hebrew, and thus making all tribes of Israel Jewish. This is at it's least, incorrect because Jew is not a translation of the word Hebrew or Israel. A more proper English translation of Yahudah, Yahudi, would be Judah and Judahites or Judean. In English these words carry the same meaning as Yahudah, Yahudi.

    Jew is a corrupt nickname more than it is a translation of Yahudah, or Yahudi.

    Israeli is not a translation of Ysrayl. Israeli refers to a citizen of the modern state of Israel, it does not mean a descendant of Jacob, as Ysrayl, Israel and Israelite does. HAIBRI (The guy this was directed to) said Israeli is closer to the pronunciation of Ysrayl than Israelite is. Understand this, when a word is translated, the pronunciation of the word will sometimes change drastically from one language to the next, but carries the same meaning nonetheless. So, it matters not that Israeli is closer to the pronunciation of Ysrayl. What matters is the meaning of the two, Israeli means one thing and Ysrayl means another. So the two have no relation to one another.

    That's why Israelite and Israel is used as the translation of Ysrayl in the English version not Israeli.

    Second, Semite, is supposed to refer to all those who are descendants of Noah's son Shem, not Sem, which is suppose to include a wide range of people from Arabs to Ashkenazi Jews. The word Semite is not even in the English translations of The Bible, and it is SUPPOSED to be the English translations of Shem. The "ITE" added to Sem denotes descent from, so the Semites are descendants of Sem. Who is Sem? I haven't the slightest idea. The name Shem is mentioned in the English translations. It refers to Noah's son but it's never given the suffix "ITE," because the majority of the time when Shem is mentioned, it's referring to the actual person, Noah's son, Shem. To denote descent from him, scripture uses "the sons of Shem" or "the children of Shem" but never Semite or even Shemite.

    Third, Judaism, is supposed to be a word that refers to Torah (law /instruction) or worship. In other words Judaism is supposed to refer to the laws and commandments Moses received from the Father and gave to the Israelites. Judaism is a English word, but it's not in the English translations of scripture. That's because Judaism is a religion of the people called Jews. The Father never gave Israel a religion, let alone one called Judaism. He gave Israel laws, statutes, judgments and commandments and he made a covenant with them to obey Him. If they didn't they would suffer the consequences which are the curses found in Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28. (Which will be discussed farther in the next 2 sections)

    Judaism is not what the Israelites agreed to keep. This religion comes in many forms, there's Hasidic Judaism, Orthodox Judaism, Conservative and Reformed Judaism. All forms of Judaism use the Talmud along with the Torah. The Talmud is held in higher authority than The Torah (first five books of the bible) in Orthodox Judaism. Nowhere does scripture instruct us to use the Talmud along with The Law, The Talmud for those who practice Judaism, is like an extension of the law, which we are told not to add or take away from. (Deuteronomy 4:2). Judaism is not in The Bible. It is a man made religion.
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    These are the facts:

    1. The word Jew does not originate from the Hebrew words Yahudah or Yahudi. If it doesn't have the same meaning as Yahudah, it couldn't possibly be translated from the same. The meaning of Jew means those who practice Judaism or of the Jewish culture. It does not mean those who are descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, which would be translated as Hebrew (Ibriy), Israel (Ysrayl) and Israelite.

    2. Israeli is not a translation of Ysrayl. An Israeli is a citizen of the modern state of Israel. It doesn't mean a descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Again that would be translated, Hebrew (Ibriy), Israel (Ysrayl) and Israelite (Ysrayl).

    3. Semite does not mean a descendant of Shem. Semite means a descendant of Sem, If Sem is a translation of another word, please let me know.

    4. Judaism is not what The Father gave to the children of Israel. He gave them laws and commandments which were to instruct them in how to live holy, not a religion which is what Judaism is. I will admit, I am not as learned as I should be or as I will become in the Hebrew language, so if there is a translation found in scripture for Judaism, Semite, Israeli and Jew, please let me know it. This is why we are called Hebrews and Israelites or Hebrew Israelites which refer to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, which according to scripture and history we are.

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    THE EXILE, SCATTERING AND RETURN OF ISRAEL TO THE "HOLY LAND"

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    This picture shows Ancient (kinky haired) Israelites being taken captive by King Sennacherib's army at Lachish. This was taken from relief's found in his palace at Nineveh, located in modern day Iraq.
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    Moses and many of the Hebrew prophets predicted worldwide dispersal of the children of Israel, for the violation of Yah's law. The Hebrews are supposed to be among all peoples in all lands.

    One of the curses put on Israel was total expulsion from the holy land, if they continue to break the laws of the most high. Ancient Israel went into exile a few times, but they were allowed to return. But in Deuteronomy 28:64, it says that Israel was going to be scattered from one end of the earth unto the other. This is repeated in DEUT 32:26.

    This means that Israel can't be in the land as of now as a sovereign nation. They are supposed to be scattered to the four corners of the earth and residing in the land of their enemies. As scripture has told us time and time again. Luke 21:24 says Israel will be led into all nations as captives and be there until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. Those times will be fulfilled When Yahshuah returns. Israel is will reside in their enemies land, until that time.

    We are only being cast out of the holy land for a time. Prophecy says true Israel will return.

    ZECHARIAH 8: 3, 7-8

    (3)THUS SAID YAH; I AM RETURNED UNTO ZION, AND WILL DWELL IN THE MIDST OF JERUSALEM: AND JERUSALEM SHALL BE CALLED A CITY OF TRUTH; AND THE MOUNTAIN OF YHWH OF HOSTS THE HOLY MOUNTAIN

    (7) THUS SAID YHWH OF HOSTS; BEHOLD, I WILL SAVE MY PEOPLE FROM THE EAST COUNTRY, AND FROM THE WEST COUNTRY (WESTERN HEMISPHERE)

    (8)AND I WILL BRING THEM, AND THEY SHALL DWELL IN THE MIDST OF JERUSALEM AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE , AND I WILL BE THEIR MIGHTY ONE, IN TRUTH AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    Right now, Jerusalem is not called a city of truth, and Yah is not dwelling there, it says that when Israel is back in Jerusalem Yah will dwell with them in truth and in righteousness. There is no truth (the laws and commandments) in Jerusalem, there is no righteousness (keeping the laws and commandments) there either.

    This only means that Israel is not back in the land as a sovereign nation, they are in the land of their enemies being punished for all their sins (Amos 3:2). When the Hebrews return they will be the righteous nation that they are suppose to be. Unlike the Jews who are in the land today, the majority of them are pagans and Atheist. Verse 8 says we will fully understand and keep the laws of Yah, there'll be no sinners in the land when Israel returns.
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    THE EXILE, SCATTERING AND RETURN OF ISRAEL TO THE "HOLY LAND"

    EZEKIEL 20:34 - AND I WILL BRING YOU OUT FROM THE PEOPLE, AND WILL GATHER YOU OUT OF THE COUNTRIES WHEREIN YOU ARE SCATTERED, WITH A MIGHTY HAND, AND WITH A STRETCHED OUT ARM, AND WITH FURY POURED OUT.

    (38) AND I WILL PURGE OUT FROM AMONG YOU THE REBELS, AND THEM THAT TRANSGRESS AGAINST ME I WILL BRING THEM OUT OF THE COUNTRY WHERE THEY SOJOURN, AND THEY SHALL NOT ENTER INTO THE LAND OF ISRAEL; AND YOU SHALL KNOW I AM YHWH.

    When the true nation of Israel returns, we will be brought back by the hands of Yah (not the Balfour Declaration). Yah also says that we will know him when we return, (As I continue to point out, the Jews in Israel today don't know Yah). We will return to Jerusalem to worship the most high, there won't be a sinner among us. All of those true Hebrews who continue to deny this truth will be consider as one of the rebels and Yah will purge you out from among us. When we return it will be a second exodus like the one out of Egypt. (remember DEUT 28:68 said we are going back into Egypt with ships, this is a spiritual Egypt that is a reflection of the first Egyptian captivity).

    If these modern Jews are Descendants of Israel, this means that 99.9% of their population could not even enter into the land, Yah clearly states that all those Hebrews that transgress against him (break his laws and the Jews openly admit that they are not following the laws of Yah), Will not see the land of Israel, when the land of Israel is once again the sovereign nation of the Hebrews. According to scripture Israel is not home in the land Yet, we are still in the lands of our enemies. Suffering the punishment that is placed on us.

    After the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 C.E. There was a 1400 year migration from the so called middle east to the west coast of Africa. The first major Israelite empire of central Africa was that of Ghana. For nearly a thousand years, from approximately 300 C.E. until late in the 13th century, when the empire of Mail assumed dominance, Ghana the gold kingdom, was dominant in the tropics of Africa.

    There was a constant flow of Israelites from the North Africa region as the Carthaginians established extensive commercial ties in central Africa. At the same time, Israelite movement from the culturally advanced centers in Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, and morocco, culminated in the fertile regions between the Senegal and Niger rivers. These Hebrews migrations went on with great frequency from about 300 C.E. and they continued with utmost regularity for 1200 years.

    The Hebrews migrated up the Nile, passing Memphis, Elephantine, Khartoum and they turned west at the Kordofan in central Sudan. The main reason for the massive migrations was persecution. Those Hebrews were being persecute by Arabs with Islam, and Indigenous tribal groups throughout Africa. But this is also prophecy, (Deut 28:65).

    We must take this to note when Abraham and his seed was promised to in heritage the land. He was told that the land would stretch from Egypt to the Euphrates river (modern day Iraq) Genesis 15:18.

    Ancient Israel never dwell in those boarders, and the Jews in the land today are in a small stretch of land which are not the boarders mention in Genesis 15:18. So this prophecy in Genesis is for a future time, when the true Hebrews return, to their homeland.
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    DEUTERONOMY 30:1-5 “AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS, WHEN ALL THESE THINGS ARE COME UPON YOU, THE BLESSING AND THE CURSES, WHICH I HAVE SET BEFORE YOU, AND YOU SHALL CALL THEM TO MIND AMONG ALL THE NATIONS, WHITHER YHWH YOUR FATHER HAVE DRIVEN YOU.

    (2) AND SHALL RETURN UNTO YHWH AND SHALL OBEY HIS VOICE ACCORDING TO ALL THAT I COMMAND YOU THIS DAY, YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN, WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL:

    (3) THAT THEN YHWH YOUR FATHER WILL REVERSE YOUR STATUS AS SLAVES (CAPTIVITY), AND HAVE COMPASSION UPON YOU, AND WILL RETURN AND GATHER YOU FROM ALL THE NATIONS WHITHER YHWH HAVE SCATTERED YOU.

    (4) IF ANY OF YOU BE DRIVEN OUT UNTO THE OUTMOST PARTS OF HEAVEN FROM THERE WILL YHWH YOUR FATHER GATHER YOU, AND FROM THERE WILL HE FETCH YOU: (5) AND YHWH YOUR FATHER WILL BRING YOU INTO THE LAND WHICH YOUR FATHERS POSSESSED, AND YOU SHALL POSSESS IT; AND HE WILL DO YOU GOOD, AND MULTIPLY YOU ABOVE YOUR FATHERS.

    According to these verse the children of Israel were going to be scattered all over the earth in all nations. They will be feathered, if and when they return back unto YHWH the creator and do his commandments. This is what must be done in order for true Israel to return back to their land.......and in the coming years this is exactly what’s going to happen. Deut 30: is prophecy because it is speaking of Israel exile and return, before they even entered into the land.

    Also notice that in verse 1 of Deut 30: it says when we recall the blessing and curses to mind and then obey YHWH. Then the whole process of regathering will start. The Jews are not obeying the voice of YHWH so if they are Israelites how are they back in the land???? Answer they are not descendants of the biblical Israelites. We are and that's why we are the only people who don't know of our national homeland.
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    IMAGES OF OTHER SHEMITES

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    According to the Torah, Ishmael is the son of Abraham by his Egyptian wife, Hagar (ref. Gen. 16:1-4). Ishmael was prophesized to be a "wild ass of a man" (ref. Gen. 16:11-12). Abraham's third wife, Keturah, bore him six sons. These six sons, along with Ishmael became known as the Arabs.
    The prophet Mohammed, founder of the religion of Islam, is from one of these Arabic families.

    Approx. 678 b.c.e., the Arabs were also conquered by the Assyrians.

    From approx. 680 c.e., to today, their religion of Islam has had a great effect upon the earth's population. Presently, the number of people who practice some form of Islam outnumber those who practice some form of Christianity. Still, the religion of Abraham is at the root of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism.
    Under the banner of Islam, Arabic influence dominated the Middle East for 600 years, and reached into Spain, China, and Africa.

    Approx. 1280 c.e., the Ottoman Turks began to take over the Islamic Empire.


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    Before the Ottoman Turk invasion of Arabia, the Arabs looked almost identical to their Israelite cousins. Notice the beard, the locks, the nose, and the eyes.

    The Ottoman Turks are a Yaphetic (i.e. "White") people. The Arabs of today look so European because of Turkish-Arab race mixing.


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    In JOEL 3: 1-2 It says:

    FOR BEHOLD, IN THOSE DAYS, AND IN THAT TIME, WHEN I SHALL BRING AGAIN THE CAPTIVITY OF JUDAH AND JERUSALEM.

    (2) I WILL ALSO GATHER ALL NATIONS, AND WILL BRING THEM DOWN INTO THE VALLEY OF JEHOSHAPHAT (YEHOSHAPHAT), AND WILL PLEAD WITH THEM THERE FOR MY PEOPLE AND FOR MY HERITAGE ISRAEL, WHOM THEY HAVE SCATTERED AMONG THE NATIONS, AND PARTED MY LAND.

    This verse says that when Yah bring back Judah (Yahudah and Jerusalem) from captivity, He will also bring all nations to the valley of JEHOSHAPHAT or valley of decision, and plead with them. AND NOTICE THE REASONS WHY HE WILL PLEAD WITH THEM 1. Because they scattered Israel and 2. because they HAVE PARTED HIS LAND WHICH IS THE LAND OF ISRAEL. This is the main fight in the land today. Who gets this much land and who gets that much land, The Arabs want this much of the land, The Jews want that much and so on. They have parted the father's land according to their own evil heart's and desires.

    Yah said THEY have parted his land (they being the nations and not Israelites). But the Jews who claim Israelite Heritage is part of “THEY” (or nations)....that are parting the land. This fact along let us know the Jews are not descendants of Biblical Israel. The Arabs, Jews and Christians all have had a hand in our scattering and these are the ones now parting the land. Yah said he would plead with them for these two reason (scattering his people and parting his land)

    Before true righteous Israel and those other Nations who will become partakers of the covenant. Can enter back into the land, the land will have to be cleanse first as it is written in

    NUMBERS 35:33: SO YOU SHALL NOT POLLUTE THE LAND WHEREIN YOU ARE; FOR BLOOD IT DEFILETH THE LAND: AND THE LAND CANNOT BE CLEANSED OF THE BLOOD THAT IS SHED THEREIN, BUT BY THE BLOOD OF HIM THAT SHED IT.

    Jews, Arabs, Christians and even Israelites have historically shed blood in Israel, as this verse tells us in order for the land to be cleansed of all this blood shed. The blood of those who shed it is required, This is why in Joel 3:2 Yah said he was going to bring all nations to the valley of JEHOSHAPHAT, this will be pay day, this will be the "cleansing process". So all those who have shed blood in the land, will have their blood shed. Remember Joel 3:1 says at this time Israel will be returning back to the land, Zechariah 8:3,8 says that When Israel return Yah will dwell with them.

    Yah is not going to dwell in an unclean defiled land / place. So when true Israel is back, the land will not be defiled with blood shed. Take a look at the land now is it without blood shed?? Have those who have historically shed blood, had their blood shed, so the land can be cleansed???? This is what is required for cleansing of the land.

    ANSWER TO ALL THESE IS NO !!!! So Israel IS NOT and CAN NOT be back home as a sovereign nation. We are still in Exile in the lands of our captivities. Just as scripture said we would and should be.