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If humans evolved from the "great apes" why do they have tails which is a trait associated with monkeys????????Apes do not possess a tail, unlike most monkeys. Monkeys are more likely to be in trees and use their tails for balance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape
Humans are part of the (great) ape family, hominidae. All members have a coccyx, the remnant of a lost tail passed down from the ancestors of hominidae. -
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What your evolutionary science will not reveal is that the closest relative to humans in the animal kingdom is the pig........
Much is made about the closeness of chimps and humans.....
Chimpanzees are so closely related to humans that they should properly be considered as members of the human family, according to new genetic research.
The Detroit team says its work supports the idea that all living apes should occupy the higher taxonomic grouping Hominidae, and that three species be established under the ? genus.
One would be ? (? ) sapiens, or humans; the second would be ? (Pan) troglodytes, or common chimpanzees, and the third would be ? (Pan) paniscus, or bonobos.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3042781.stmHowever, no ? transplants between the two has been successful.......
Opposed to the swine......
Which is used in ? transplants, skin grafts, and testing on things like bullet and shrapnel damage in humans......
Cloned Pigs Modified for Use in Human Transplants
^^^ Pay attention to the bolded word ("modified")
"[The success of pig-human transplants] has very little to do with whether there's a two per cent or 20 per cent difference in the genome sequence — if those numbers actually meant anything anyway — the main barrier is caused by just one gene," says Moran.
That gene is called galactose-alpha-1,3,galactotransferase — gal-transferase for short . All mammals except humans and higher apes have a working version of gal-transferase, which coats cells with an antigen (a molecule that our immune system reacts to). This means if pig tissue is transplanted into humans our immune system will mount a drastic rejection response as our bodies detect the antigen and attack it.
Scientists have come up with a solution to stop tissue rejection: genetically modifying the pigs by eliminating the gal-transferase gene. A few more human genes are also added to the pigs to make the pig tissue even more acceptable to our immune system.
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/05/03/2887206.htm
"If we compare really closely related species, like a human and chimpanzee, we can still see the similarity between these rapidly changing sequences. If you move further away to the more distantly related pig, so many changes in the DNA will have occurred that it is no longer possible to recognise that the sequences were ever similar.
What your evolutionary science will not reveal is that the closest relative to humans in the animal kingdom is the pig........
"Depending upon what it is that you are comparing you can say 'Yes, there's a very high degree of similarity, for example between a human and a pig protein coding sequence', but if you compare rapidly evolving non-coding sequences from a similar location in the genome, you may not be able to recognise any similarity at all. This means that blanket comparisons of all DNA sequences between species are not very meaningful."
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/05/03/2887206.htm -
LOL.....
Sure "blanket comparisons of all DNA sequences between species are not very meaningful,"when it comes to humans and swine, but it is ok to continue comparing humans and apes???????????
FOH.....
Can you give pig organs to humans?
The animals are sometimes called "horizontal humans". Although they are more distantly related to us than, for example, the great apes - pigs are about the right size, and so are their organs. A 75kg pig has the same-sized heart as a 75kg human, with the same pumping capacity. In theory it should be possible to farm pigs for their organs, much as we now farm them for bacon.
Remarkably, in 1838 the first corneal xenotransplantation (from a pig) was performed in a patient, whereas the first corneal allograft (human-to-human) was not carried out until more than 65 years later, in 1905.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3246856/
So, humans & great apes never had a functioning tail.......
However, it is a vestigial remnant?????
You guys are silly.....
Perhaps you should examine the coccyx of a human and an animal with a tail..............
There is no similarity.....
Other than your vivid infantile imagination to support the claim that humans had "functioning" tails.......
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"So, humans & great apes never had a functioning tail.......
However, it is a vestigial remnant?????"
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"So, humans & great apes never had a functioning tail.......
However, it is a vestigial remnant?????"
Because the evolved from a specie that had a functioning tail.
This logic is juvenile..............
Again.....
If humans "evolved" from apes (which have no tail)......
Where does the functioning tail come in, that would result in its vestigiality in humans???????
*No apes have tails......Only monkeys*
You are saying that the common ancestor of apes and monkeys had a tail.....
However....
This is not enough evidence to claim that the human coccyx is vestigial............
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Humans are apes.
The tailbone(coccyx) exists in all apes. It is vestigial in all apes.
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No apes or humans have tails or the vestigial remnants of one.................
Apes are Old World anthropoid mammals, more specifically a clade of tailless catarrhine primates, belonging to the biological superfamily Hominoidea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape
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You see that thing at the end of their spine that looks like a little tail? Well that's the vestige of a ? tail! -
Now notice the pelvic area of these creatures with tails........
They have other systems that establish the "pelvic floor"............
The "spine that looks like a little tail" may look like a little tail......
To the untrained eye........
However
The "spine that looks like a little tail" is far from a tail............
And was created to anchor the pelvic floor.................
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Notice how almost all the people with "trained" eyes, biologists, paleontologist, and anthropoligist, agree with me? ( http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section2.html#vestiges )
Notice how the "Pelvic Floor" is muscle tissue and does not appear in the picture. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelvic_floor )
Notice how the tailbones on the apes are in the exact spot that the tails of the monkeys are?
Wow its almost like all this evidence agrees with me. -
No, the evidence agrees with me............
Notice that I said an anchor for the pelvic floor...............
The monkeys don't need an anchor because their pelvic floors are contained directly in the pelvis..........
*The Gods favor me*
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Curious that an anthropologist does not know that the pelvic floor exists in Monkeys
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21567260
So squirrel monkeys appear to have pelvic floors made up of levator ani, coccygeus, and connective tissue just like humans. Further these muscles attach to their tail bone because they are the muscles to move the tail!
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I never said that monkeys did not have pelvic floors.......No, the evidence agrees with me............
Notice that I said an anchor for the pelvic floor...............
The monkeys don't need an anchor because their pelvic floors are contained directly in the pelvis..........
*The Gods favor me*
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And I said their Pelvic floor attaches to the tailbone which you denied with this quote "their pelvic floors are contained directly in the pelvis". The monkeys pelvic floor anchors on the tail. The muscle are in fact the muscle that move the tail.
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LOL......
Such a substantial claim...........
With no evidence..........
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There is a direct correlation between how bad you lose a debate and the number of images you use.
The image explosion usually corresponds to you getting backwards on a factual issue like the genus=specie fiasco from the previous thread we posted in or in this case the pelvic floor muscles not being similarly attached in apes and monkeys.
By the way what claim are you referencing?
The coccyx is vestigial.
Apes share a common ancestor with monkeys.
Ape lost their tail through the evolutionary process.
Humans are apes.
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There is a correlation to the amounts of gifs I use and ether that is dropped................
According to the definition:
Biology . a degenerate or imperfectly developed ? or structure that has little or no utility, but that in an earlier stage of the individual or in preceding evolutionary forms of the organism performed a useful function.
The human coccyx is not vestigial......
I have illustrated its usefulness / utility........
And you failed to show how it was useful in an earlier stage of the individual (humans)..........
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Lol....
I have yet to lose a debate here....
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"Biology . a degenerate or imperfectly developed ? or structure that has little or no utility, but that in an earlier stage of the individual or in preceding evolutionary forms of the organism performed a useful function."
The bold part contradicts any argument made to its use. A vestigial ? may still have some utility.
""Biology . a degenerate or imperfectly developed ? or structure that has little or no utility, but that in an earlier stage of the individual or in preceding evolutionary forms of the organism performed a useful function."
In a preceding evolutionary form (Aegyptopithecus) it was a tail. This tail was useful. -
First you say..What your evolutionary science will not reveal is that the closest relative to humans in the animal kingdom is the pig........
Then you say..[pigs] are sometimes called "horizontal humans". Although they are more distantly related to us than, for example, the great apes
As far as pigs and organs, the only reason scientists even considered them as viable candidates for transplants to begin with is because:pigs are about the right size, and so are their organs. A 75kg pig has the same-sized heart as a 75kg human
On top of that, as mentioned earlier, a transplant could only happen if the pig were to be genetically modified:
[The success of pig-human transplants] has very little to do with whether there's a two per cent or 20 per cent difference in the genome sequence — if those numbers actually meant anything anyway — the main barrier is caused by just one gene," says Moran.
That gene is called galactose-alpha-1,3,galactotransferase — gal-transferase for short . All mammals except humans and higher apes have a working version of gal-transferase, which coats cells with an antigen (a molecule that our immune system reacts to). This means if pig tissue is transplanted into humans our immune system will mount a drastic rejection response as our bodies detect the antigen and attack it.
Scientists have come up with a solution to stop tissue rejection: genetically modifying the pigs by eliminating the gal-transferase gene. A few more human genes are also added to the pigs to make the pig tissue even more acceptable to our immune system.
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/05/03/2887206.htmSure "blanket comparisons of all DNA sequences between species are not very meaningful,"when it comes to humans and swine, but it is ok to continue comparing humans and apes???????????
That's because the similarities between humans and the rest of the great apes is not coincidence nor a blanket statement.
Depending upon what it is that you are comparing you can say 'Yes, there's a very high degree of similarity, for example between a human and a pig protein coding sequence', but if you compare rapidly evolving non-coding sequences from a similar location in the genome, you may not be able to recognise [sic] any similarity at all.
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/05/03/2887206.htm
So...
If we compare really closely related species, like a human and chimpanzee, we can still see the similarity between these rapidly changing sequences. If you move further away to the more distantly related pig, so many changes in the DNA will have occurred that it is no longer possible to recognise that the sequences were ever similar.
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/05/03/2887206.htm -
"Biology . a degenerate or imperfectly developed ? or structure that has little or no utility, but that in an earlier stage of the individual or in preceding evolutionary forms of the organism performed a useful function."
The bold part contradicts any argument made to its use. A vestigial ? may still have some utility.
""Biology . a degenerate or imperfectly developed ? or structure that has little or no utility, but that in an earlier stage of the individual or in preceding evolutionary forms of the organism performed a useful function."
The coccyx remains because it serves its primary purpose.......
To provide an attachment for our pelvic organs so that they will not collapse.......
In a preceding evolutionary form (Aegyptopithecus) it was a tail. This tail was useful.Humans evoled from apesApes do not possess a tail, unlike most monkeys. Monkeys are more likely to be in trees and use their tails for balance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape
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the only reason scientists even considered them as viable candidates for transplants to begin with is because:On top of that, as mentioned earlier, a transplant could only happen if the pig were to be genetically modified:
Orly?.?.?
"As pig insulin differs from human insulin by only one amino acid, and pig insulin was administered successfully for the treatment of diabetic patients for decades until recombinant human insulin became available
Remarkably, in 1838 the first corneal xenotransplantation (from a pig) was performed in a patient, whereas the first corneal allograft (human-to-human) was not carried out until more than 65 years later, in 1905."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3246856/
But yet......
When it comes to the swine:Blanket comparisons of all DNA sequences between species are not very meaningful."
Again if we are so "remarkably" close to chimps and apes.........
Why is the swine known as "horizontal human"............
http://youtu.be/CMU2NwaaXEA
