Is Doc Rivers overrated?

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  • coop9889
    coop9889 Members Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    DaBull wrote: »
    honestly what coach with 3 hall of amers HASNT won a ring tho? put it in that context and DOC just gettin extra props cuz he a brother

    don nelson
    mike dunleavy
    del harris
    jerry sloan
    larry bird


    ....& D'Antoni has 4 right now.

    What a horrible argument.
  • Shizlansky
    Shizlansky Members Posts: 35,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    He only got one out them with all that talent.
  • DaBull
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    DaBull wrote: »
    honestly what coach with 3 hall of amers HASNT won a ring tho? put it in that context and DOC just gettin extra props cuz he a brother

    don nelson
    mike dunleavy
    del harris
    jerry sloan
    larry bird


    FALSE, none of those coaches had 3 HOF that were already in the hall before they took the floor together.

    Don Nelson NEVER had 3
    Sloan NEVER had 3
    Bird NEVER had 3
    Del Harris had shaq and kobe while they was young who was the 3rd

    name them?
    shouts to coop and axel clickin reactions without doing homework, lookin stupid as usual
  • BlackAX410
    BlackAX410 Members Posts: 35,415 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Shizlansky wrote: »
    He only got one out them with all that talent.

    lol @ "all that talent". da KG knee injury in 09 ? a lot of ? up but yall gotta remember KG Pierce nor Ray Allen were in their prime when they got together 2 of em were ova age 30 nd Pierce was 29. Celtics played high quality ball in a 5 year span it woulda been nice to win dat ring in 2010 but eventually father time crept thru
  • Shizlansky
    Shizlansky Members Posts: 35,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    KG did hurt his knee.

    The East was still weak as ? that year.
  • coop9889
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    DaBull wrote: »
    honestly what coach with 3 hall of famers HASNT won a ring tho? put it in that context and DOC just gettin extra props cuz he a brother

    DaBull wrote: »
    FALSE, none of those coaches had 3 HOF that were already in the hall before they took the floor together.

    So you originally just say 3 hall of famers, now you change it to ? already in the hall before they got together.

    Lol @ you changing the criteria once you get sonned.

    You're an idiot.
  • BlackAX410
    BlackAX410 Members Posts: 35,415 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Shizlansky wrote: »
    KG did hurt his knee.

    The East was still weak as ? that year.

    also Leon Powe who was a major part of wat we did tore his ACL we had to throw Big baby Davis, Mikki Moore, nd Scalebrine on Dwight Howard when Perkins got in foul trouble nd still took em to 7 games a lot of yall got selective memory man lls
  • coop9889
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    DaBull wrote: »
    FALSE, none of those coaches had 3 HOF that were already in the hall before they took the floor together.

    And to answer your ? question, D'Antoni.

    He has FOUR "already hall of famers" on his team (compared to Doc's 3) and barely made the playoffs.

  • dc's teflondon
    dc's teflondon Members Posts: 5,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    DaBull wrote: »
    DaBull wrote: »
    honestly what coach with 3 hall of amers HASNT won a ring tho? put it in that context and DOC just gettin extra props cuz he a brother

    don nelson
    mike dunleavy
    del harris
    jerry sloan
    larry bird


    FALSE, none of those coaches had 3 HOF that were already in the hall before they took the floor together.

    Don Nelson NEVER had 3
    Sloan NEVER had 3
    Bird NEVER had 3
    Del Harris had shaq and kobe while they was young who was the 3rd

    name them?
    shouts to coop and axel clickin reactions without doing homework, lookin stupid as usual

    it's rare for a team to have 3 hof; but some teams have add 2 hof and a dude that is a multiple all-star

    don nelson had run tmc
    sloan had stockton and malone
    bird had mullin, miller, jackson, detlef, smits, davis boys
    del harris had shaq, kobe, van excel, jones, campbell, rodman
    rudy t had barkley, clyde, and dream

    rick adelman don't have any rings too
    doug collins basically had the same bulls team phil inherited


  • Shizlansky
    Shizlansky Members Posts: 35,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    What did he do pre KG and Allen?

    Not a damn thing
  • BlackAX410
    BlackAX410 Members Posts: 35,415 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Shizlansky wrote: »
    What did he do pre KG and Allen?

    Not a damn thing

    you've gotta have some type of talent to win in dis league look at some of those rosters before KG nd Ray got there
  • coop9889
    coop9889 Members Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Shizlansky wrote: »
    What did he do pre KG and Allen?

    Not a damn thing

    Coach of the year in 2000. "Not a damn thing."

    First year with the celtics (2004) they won their first division title since 91. "Not a damn thing"


    What did phil do without jordan or kobe on his team? Oh wait...

    What did pat riley do pre-magic/kareem? Oh wait...

    What did Popovich do pre-Duncan? 20-62


    No coach wins without talent u ? troll
  • ShadyWorldOrder
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    Shizlansky wrote: »
    What did he do pre KG and Allen?

    Not a damn thing
    Ok what's does that have to do with him being a great coach now u gotta start somewhere not every good or great coach starts off with winning records u have to grow as a coach. But what u can say he was COY b4 KG and pierce. What did KG Pierce Allen accomplish b4 Doc do u think anybody could coach that Celtics team to a ring?
  • playmaker88
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  • coop9889
    coop9889 Members Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Man its over for this ? shitansky
  • DaBull
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    coop9889 wrote: »
    DaBull wrote: »
    honestly what coach with 3 hall of famers HASNT won a ring tho? put it in that context and DOC just gettin extra props cuz he a brother

    DaBull wrote: »
    FALSE, none of those coaches had 3 HOF that were already in the hall before they took the floor together.

    So you originally just say 3 hall of famers, now you change it to ? already in the hall before they got together.

    Lol @ you changing the criteria once you get sonned.

    You're an idiot.

    you still aint answer my question, from the coaches he posted, which one has 3 HOF and didnt win a ring? this is too easy, cowboy fan.

    dunleavy
    sloan
    bird
    nelson harris

    you the only ? who mentioned D'antoni, from the original post, you cant dispute my facts kid.
  • Shizlansky
    Shizlansky Members Posts: 35,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Orlando

    1999-2000 41-41 missed playoffs
    2000-2001 43-39 1st round exit
    2001-2002 44-38 1st round exit
    2002-2003 42-40 1st round exit
    2003-2004 1-10 Got fired

    Boston
    2004-2005 45-37 1st round exit
    2005-2006 33-49 Missed Playoffs
    2006-2007 24-58 Missed Playoffs

    Boston Big 3

    2007-2008 66-16 NBA Champs
    2008-2009 62-20 3rd Round exit
    2009-2010 50-32 Lawse in the final
    2010-2011 56-26 2nd Round Exit
    2011-2012 39-27 3rd Round Exit
    2012-2013 41-40 Likely to get sweep

    Before the big 3 dude never won a playoff series

    4 1st round exits
    3 Times he missed the playoffs
    And he got fired early which would have been another missed playoffs.


    So the 8 years before the Big 3 he didn't do ? , not even second round status.

    Men lie women lie numbers don't.
  • coop9889
    coop9889 Members Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    DaBull wrote: »
    coop9889 wrote: »
    DaBull wrote: »
    honestly what coach with 3 hall of famers HASNT won a ring tho? put it in that context and DOC just gettin extra props cuz he a brother

    DaBull wrote: »
    FALSE, none of those coaches had 3 HOF that were already in the hall before they took the floor together.

    So you originally just say 3 hall of famers, now you change it to ? already in the hall before they got together.

    Lol @ you changing the criteria once you get sonned.

    You're an idiot.

    you still aint answer my question, from the coaches he posted, which one has 3 HOF and didnt win a ring? this is too easy, cowboy fan.

    dunleavy
    sloan
    bird
    nelson harris

    you the only ? who mentioned D'antoni, from the original post, you cant dispute my facts kid.

    Are you that dense? Why you asking me to answer another ? question. Ask that ? , fool.

    All i know is i disputed your original post about coaches with 3 hof before they got together on the same team. The answer is d'antoni.

    Dispute that
  • Shizlansky
    Shizlansky Members Posts: 35,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I ain't saying he should have won a ring pre big 3 but if you a great coach you would have your team in the playoffs every year and a couple trips to the second round.

    At least 2 second round births in 8 years.

    But dude had none with basically a 500 record all them years.
  • coop9889
    coop9889 Members Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Shizlansky wrote: »
    Orlando

    1999-2000 41-41 missed playoffs
    2000-2001 43-39 1st round exit
    2001-2002 44-38 1st round exit
    2002-2003 42-40 1st round exit
    2003-2004 1-10 Got fired

    Boston
    2004-2005 45-37 1st round exit
    2005-2006 33-49 Missed Playoffs
    2006-2007 24-58 Missed Playoffs

    Boston Big 3

    2007-2008 66-16 NBA Champs
    2008-2009 62-20 3rd Round exit
    2009-2010 50-32 Lawse in the final
    2010-2011 56-26 2nd Round Exit
    2011-2012 39-27 3rd Round Exit
    2012-2013 41-40 Likely to get sweep

    Before the big 3 dude never won a playoff series

    4 1st round exits
    3 Times he missed the playoffs
    And he got fired early which would have been another missed playoffs.


    So the 8 years before the Big 3 he didn't do ? , not even second round status.

    Men lie women lie numbers don't.

    If winning division titles and coach of the year awards put you in the "Didnt do ? " category, then you are right.

    No pull up the stats for phil jackson the GOAT when he didnt have jordan or kobe.

    Pull up the stats for when Pop didnt have duncan.


  • Shizlansky
    Shizlansky Members Posts: 35,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Lmao at being a great coach missing the playoffs 4 times in your first 8 years, 3 first round exits, and 1 firing mid way thru 1 season.
  • Shizlansky
    Shizlansky Members Posts: 35,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Phil got Kobe 5 rings.

    I don't think Kobe got out the first round without Phil the GOAT

    Jordan didn't get deep in the playoffs till the TRIANGLE came to town.

  • coop9889
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    Shizlansky wrote: »
    Lmao at being a great coach missing the playoffs 4 times in your first 8 years, 3 first round exits, and 1 firing mid way thru 1 season.

    Lol @ judging a coach solely on his first years when his team(s) were obviously devoid of talent.

    It what other instance do you not judge someone's entire body of work, and instead only his first couple of years?

    Phil wouldn't be the GOAT solely off of his bulls years. He's the GOAT cuz of the 11 rings he won. His ENTIRE body of work.

    You're dumb af
  • Shizlansky
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    I bet Larry Brown would have got them ? to at least the second round with the same teams Doc had his first 8 years.

    You acting like 8 years ain't a long time.
  • BlackAX410
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    Shizlansky wrote: »
    I bet Larry Brown would have got them ? to at least the second round with the same teams Doc had his first 8 years.

    You acting like 8 years ain't a long time.

    dawg we had guys like Ryan Gomes, Brian Scalebrine, Telfair, nd Brandon Hunter gettin rotation minutes those teams lacked talent. before da Ray Allen nd KG trade Danny Ainge was one of da WOAT GM's plus Chris Wallace made ? decisions in da front office too. Doc is a good coach slightly overrated but u actin like he's a product of da big 3 which is ridiculous