Spike Lee goes in about Gentrification in Brooklyn drops Real ish...Long Read
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Well, how does this effect homeowners?
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Well, how does this effect homeowners?
don't know if serious....but to anyone who is seriously waiting on a response to this question, you shouldn't be an active participant in this discussion lol
anyways gentrification raises property taxes on homeowners ....many of whom are already struggling
it also has been known to displace small business owners
so the problem isn't so much blk people don't own ? -
ThirdEyeFive wrote: »the BK and Harlem the world knows are the places that blacks made famous... get that ? the ? out of here...
Bruh, go pick up a book..
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what a ? ? response... eat a bag of ? ...
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ThirdEyeFive wrote: »the single mother ? is true... whether u believe it or not...
i'll admit poor people have historically been penalized for getting married
my point is the drug on wars, prison industrial complex has taken more fathers out of the blk household than anything else -
Wiki sources?
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? irrelevant any though
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Why is sidious giving us the history of Brooklyn?
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Darth Sidious wrote: »Allah_U_Akbar wrote: »Spike Lee is an idiot!
No, he is still an idiot, he fails to realize places like Brooklyn & Harlem had a history before blacks lived there, what's happening now is a neighborhood\city recycling and reinventing itself.
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The history of Brooklyn spans more than 350 years. The settlement began in the 17th century as the small Dutch-founded town of "Breuckelen" on the East River shore of Long Island, grew to be a sizable city in the 19th century, and was consolidated in 1898 with New York City (then confined to Manhattan and part of the Bronx), the remaining rural areas of Kings County, and the largely rural areas of Queens and Staten Island, to form the modern City of New York.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn
Founded in the 17th century as a Dutch military outpost named Nieuw Haarlem, Harlem became successively a farming village, a revolutionary battlefield, an industrial suburb, a commuter town, an American ghetto, and a world renowned center of African-American culture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlem
city recycling, funny
serious question....
who does gentrification help besides the yuppies looking to live closer to work?
all it does is relocate the poor and perpetuate the cycle of poverty...especially considering that most american's wealth is tied into their homes i.e. houses, condos, etc and if they lose that home because they can't afford the property taxes .....you know the rest
but i digress, obviously you don't care -
desertrain10 wrote: »
Well, how does this effect homeowners?
don't know if serious....but to anyone who is seriously waiting on a response to this question, you shouldn't be an active participant in this discussion lol
anyways gentrification raises property taxes on homeowners ....many of whom are already struggling
it also has been known to displace small business owners
so the problem isn't so much blk people don't own ?
I was just expecting a less obvious answer.
Yes thats true. Thats when u get all the forclosures. Its a problem.
However, increase in property value goes hand in hand with increase in taxes. Real estate is an invesyment. It is not a handout. Not all, but in most of these types of complete neighborhood flips, you're talking ridiculous increases in property value. So as black peopke we cant discuus equity and icreasing wealth. Everything has to be about struggling and just gitting by?
The real issue is the subprime lending fall out where people were being given homes they could JUST afford, holdin their finances together by a thread. Taxes go up even a drop n they cant afford. -
Been happening in Chicago, the nightlife sucks now with all these yuppies and hipster.....outrageous dress codes, entitlement
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desertrain10 wrote: »
city recycling, funny
serious question....
who does gentrification help besides the yuppies looking to live closer to work?
all it does is relocate the poor and perpetuate the cycle of poverty...especially considering that most american's wealth is tied into their homes i.e. houses, condos, etc and if they lose that home because they can't afford the property taxes .....you know the rest
but i digress, obviously you don't care
Valid concerns of course. Cities like New York have tried to rectify those problems with 'Rent control'.
Unfortunately Economics eventually trumps Social engineering of a community but it's an attempt to fix problems like only the wealthy being able to live in a metropolitan city.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent_control_in_New_York
New York's current rent control program, which began in 1943, is the longest-running in the United States. New York City is the only large city in the United States that has strong rent control laws.[2] From 1943 to 1950, rent control was administered by the federal government but has been administered by state government since 1950, although state and city agencies shared administrative work from 1962 to 1984.[4]
Rent regulation affects rent increases and prescribes rights and obligations for tenants and landlords. -
desertrain10 wrote: »
Well, how does this effect homeowners?
don't know if serious....but to anyone who is seriously waiting on a response to this question, you shouldn't be an active participant in this discussion lol
anyways gentrification raises property taxes on homeowners ....many of whom are already struggling
it also has been known to displace small business owners
so the problem isn't so much blk people don't own ?
I was just expecting a less obvious answer.
Yes thats true. Thats when u get all the forclosures. Its a problem.
However, increase in property value goes hand in hand with increase in taxes. Real estate is an invesyment. It is not a handout. Not all, but in most of these types of complete neighborhood flips, you're talking ridiculous increases in property value. So as black peopke we cant discuus equity and icreasing wealth. Everything has to be about struggling and just gitting by?
The real issue is the subprime lending fall out where people were being given homes they could JUST afford, holdin their finances together by a thread. Taxes go up even a drop n they cant afford.
you have to ask the right questions
but yes subprime lending is a big problem ....that's more of an issue of racial discrimination and a lack of the proper regulations within the mortgage industry
and we can talk about equity and increasing wealth, but not at the expense of the weakest among us -
@darthsidious are you black
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I see why they call US Marine a ?
Who is they, the nigglets who reinforce stereotypes. Ha! -
How so, unless eminent domain is being used to take homes away or the property tax has gone way u? -
Yall do realize that he is saying the something people have KNOWN was happening for years...and yall trying to romanticize it just cuz it "Spike Lee" getting out of pocket while being a successful black man....
The ? is never gonna change while we living in
the society of our oppressers...everything that is done is to our determent...we have been completely broken and a people and our sense of community is completley shot. I guess we have to hold SOMETHING in high esteem. So we complain about gentrification....when wr all are living on stolen land....and us black folks dont even belong here. We have a vast glorious history...but ? dont wanna see it.... -
I fear More and more american cities are moving toward the paris model, having the rich people live in the city and letting the poor live in the burbs. This will become a nightmare for america
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I fear More and more american cities are moving toward the paris model, having the rich people live in the city and letting the poor live in the burbs. This will become a nightmare for america
happening in the city I live in as we speak -
Darth Sidious wrote: »desertrain10 wrote: »
city recycling, funny
serious question....
who does gentrification help besides the yuppies looking to live closer to work?
all it does is relocate the poor and perpetuate the cycle of poverty...especially considering that most american's wealth is tied into their homes i.e. houses, condos, etc and if they lose that home because they can't afford the property taxes .....you know the rest
but i digress, obviously you don't care
Valid concerns of course
ok
but why is spike an idiot?
yea people move and the demographics of a neighborhood change however gentrification forces the issue that's what spike was protesting underneath the anger and disappointment
and yea most places like harlem and brooklyn were once predominantly white late 1800s, early 1900s, but when blks began buying homes in their neighborhoods whites took flight, which lowered real estate prices ... they weren't priced out unlike what is occurring today
"neighborhood recycling" or in other words the drastic shift in demographics that has occurred in brooklyn rarely occurs organically in america ...stop it
and remember zora neale hurston, langston hughes, marcus garvey, and other blk pioneers put harlem on the world map...it's practically a historic site
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I fear More and more american cities are moving toward the paris model, having the rich people live in the city and letting the poor live in the burbs. This will become a nightmare for america
Its already happening. The nytimes had an article talking about hownpoverty in the suburbs is increasing while the city core is decreasing -
Darth Sidious wrote: »desertrain10 wrote: »
city recycling, funny
serious question....
who does gentrification help besides the yuppies looking to live closer to work?
all it does is relocate the poor and perpetuate the cycle of poverty...especially considering that most american's wealth is tied into their homes i.e. houses, condos, etc and if they lose that home because they can't afford the property taxes .....you know the rest
but i digress, obviously you don't care
Valid concerns of course. Cities like New York have tried to rectify those problems with 'Rent control'.
Unfortunately Economics eventually trumps Social engineering of a community but it's an attempt to fix problems like only the wealthy being able to live in a metropolitan city.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent_control_in_New_York
New York's current rent control program, which began in 1943, is the longest-running in the United States. New York City is the only large city in the United States that has strong rent control laws.[2] From 1943 to 1950, rent control was administered by the federal government but has been administered by state government since 1950, although state and city agencies shared administrative work from 1962 to 1984.[4]
Rent regulation affects rent increases and prescribes rights and obligations for tenants and landlords.
Population out here on Long Island has been steadily decreasing over the years definitely with the collapse of the economic and recession hitting in 2008-2009 with houses in foreclosures littered all over Long Island people are leaving to go down south or move closer to New York City -
desertrain10 wrote: »Darth Sidious wrote: »desertrain10 wrote: »
city recycling, funny
serious question....
who does gentrification help besides the yuppies looking to live closer to work?
all it does is relocate the poor and perpetuate the cycle of poverty...especially considering that most american's wealth is tied into their homes i.e. houses, condos, etc and if they lose that home because they can't afford the property taxes .....you know the rest
but i digress, obviously you don't care
Valid concerns of course
ok
but why is spike an idiot?
yea people move and the demographics of a neighborhood change however gentrification forces the issue that's what spike was protesting underneath the anger and disappointment
and yea most places like harlem and brooklyn were once predominantly white late 1800s, early 1900s, but when blks began buying homes in their neighborhoods whites took flight, which lowered real estate prices ... they weren't priced out unlike what is occurring today
"neighborhood recycling" or in other words the drastic shift in demographics that has occurred in brooklyn rarely occurs organically in america ...stop it
and remember zora neale hurston, langston hughes, marcus garvey, and other blk pioneers put harlem on the world map...it's practically a historic site
Quite simply because Spike is not looking at the whole history of this area and how it has evolved over time. Spike is taking a snapshot of the city he loves from about 1930-1950 to present day and saying 'This is how it's always been and this is how it should always be'.
If you start to dig into an ancient city you will find cities built on top of towns on top of villages. Change is constant and and cities grow ( or shrink ) as dictated by the people who live in them and environmental or economic factors of the time.
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desertrain10 wrote: »desertrain10 wrote: »
Well, how does this effect homeowners?
don't know if serious....but to anyone who is seriously waiting on a response to this question, you shouldn't be an active participant in this discussion lol
anyways gentrification raises property taxes on homeowners ....many of whom are already struggling
it also has been known to displace small business owners
so the problem isn't so much blk people don't own ?
I was just expecting a less obvious answer.
Yes thats true. Thats when u get all the forclosures. Its a problem.
However, increase in property value goes hand in hand with increase in taxes. Real estate is an invesyment. It is not a handout. Not all, but in most of these types of complete neighborhood flips, you're talking ridiculous increases in property value. So as black peopke we cant discuus equity and icreasing wealth. Everything has to be about struggling and just gitting by?
The real issue is the subprime lending fall out where people were being given homes they could JUST afford, holdin their finances together by a thread. Taxes go up even a drop n they cant afford.
you have to ask the right questions
but yes subprime lending is a big problem ....that's more of an issue of racial discrimination and a lack of the proper regulations within the mortgage industry
and we can talk about equity and increasing wealth, but not at the expense of the weakest among us
Well there is no wealth without property.
So you're saying we as black people cant excel without first making sure all of us not doing as well (even if on their own accord) are doing well also.
Oh ? ...epiphany...that, unintenioanlly, is ? in a barrell.
