Better Overall Wrestler Vol. 2: HBK vs Stone Cold Steve Austin

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  • professor x
    professor x Members Posts: 149 ✭✭
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    Stone Cold Steve Austin
    Watch some of stunning steve's us title matches in wcw. Some of the most technically sound matches to date.
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  • kingofkingz
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    HBK
    Hbk was a better overall wrestler. Austin did the same routine over & over
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  • Trill Gate$
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    HBK
    I'm a big Austin fan but I gotta give it to HBK. He's second on my GOAT list behind Flair.
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  • Tsotsi Cape Town
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    HBK
    Austin was a ? heel imo, 2 man power trip proved that, never was feeling that ? , HBK top 5 heels all time easily but could ? it as a face too
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  • JohnBlackwell
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    HBK
    Shawn, hands down. And I LOVE Austin.
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  • DOPEdweebz
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    Stone Cold Steve Austin
    kingofkingz wrote: »
    Hbk was a better overall wrestler. Austin did the same routine over & over

    You werent watching
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  • blu197
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    HBK
    iKingGodGivBiz wrote: »
    kingofkingz wrote: »
    Hbk was a better overall wrestler. Austin did the same routine over & over

    You werent watching

    I think he meant in ring wise, after the neck injury Austin kept it brawler style 95% of the time..
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  • DOPEdweebz
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    Stone Cold Steve Austin
    blu197 wrote: »
    iKingGodGivBiz wrote: »
    kingofkingz wrote: »
    Hbk was a better overall wrestler. Austin did the same routine over & over

    You werent watching

    I think he meant in ring wise, after the neck injury Austin kept it brawler style 95% of the time..

    Well this isnt the better in ring, but I just watched Bret vs Stone Cold, and Angle vs Stone Cold. Dude def switched it up and was on point in nearly every matched, and while he wasnt as athletic as HBK his in ring psychology was tied, and he was a better ring general. He really controlled that ? , and sold it realistically. He was beyond special.

    The problem is ? are far to removed from the Attitude era now to remember how special he was down to the eccentricity, so they based ? on what they generally remember. A whole bunch of cuss words, middle fingers, head bobbing, mud hole stomping, stone cold stunner, blood n skulls, and beer. Austin was way more than people remember.
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  • Peezy_Jenkins
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    HBK
    with these questions, some people, myself included are just gonna be inclined to weigh the in ring part a lil more, of course austin was a goat all around, but if i have to break a tie between these two, thats where im going
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  • DOPEdweebz
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    Stone Cold Steve Austin
    Peezy_Jenkins wrote: »
    with this questions, some people, myself included are just gonna be inclined to weigh the in ring part a lil more, of course austin was a goat all around, but if i have to break a tie between these two, thats where im going
    All around = overall. I donf get what youre saying. Better all around = better overall.
    You said Austin was but then say there was a tie breaker. I dont get it bro.
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  • Peezy_Jenkins
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    iKingGodGivBiz wrote: »
    Peezy_Jenkins wrote: »
    with this questions, some people, myself included are just gonna be inclined to weigh the in ring part a lil more, of course austin was a goat all around, but if i have to break a tie between these two, thats where im going
    All around = overall. I donf get what youre saying. Better all around = better overall.
    You said Austin was but then say there was a tie breaker. I dont get it bro.

    i said austin was a goat all around, hbk is one also imo, thats why my first post i said i had them as 1a and b. austin had slightly more charisma, hbk was slightly better in ring, i put a lil bit more weight on in ring.
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  • Tsotsi Cape Town
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    HBK
    Charisma has got to be equal man, remember when HBK was around screwjob time? Dude got insane amount of heat
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  • blu197
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    HBK
    Tsotsi Cape Town wrote: »
    Charisma has got to be equal man, remember when HBK was around screwjob time? Dude got insane amount of heat

    When HBK was on coke in the 90s and didn't give af it was crazy the amount of ? Vince let him get away with on mic before the Attitude Era even officially began. It wasn't just some "I'm gonna whop your ass" Austin ? , he was burying ? on the mic to where it was damn near a shoot, the "Sunny Days" promo to Bret is one of the most hilarious/etherous things ever said in business, Bret had to go backstage and throw hands with HBK after that...
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  • DOPEdweebz
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    Stone Cold Steve Austin
    blu197 wrote: »
    Tsotsi Cape Town wrote: »
    Charisma has got to be equal man, remember when HBK was around screwjob time? Dude got insane amount of heat

    When HBK was on coke in the 90s and didn't give af it was crazy the amount of ? Vince let him get away with on mic before the Attitude Era even officially began. It wasn't just some "I'm gonna whop your ass" Austin ? , he was burying ? on the mic to where it was damn near a shoot, the "Sunny Days" promo to Bret is one of the most hilarious/etherous things ever said in business, Bret had to go backstage and throw hands with HBK after that...

    There you go trivializing Austin again. This time his promos.
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  • DOPEdweebz
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    Stone Cold Steve Austin
    Heel Heat
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwF5O7uOm18
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  • Tsotsi Cape Town
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    HBK
    I could never vibe with Austin as a heel, Hunter made that team and was on one of the goat heel runs that time, I'm not bias or anything but that heel run for Austin was ? . That was heat for HHH, Austin it was more shock. HBK killed it as a heel every night he was out there
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  • DOPEdweebz
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    Stone Cold Steve Austin
    Tsotsi Cape Town wrote: »
    I could never vibe with Austin as a heel, Hunter made that team and was on one of the goat heel runs that time, I'm not bias or anything but that heel run for Austin was ? . That was heat for HHH, Austin it was more shock. HBK killed it as a heel every night he was out there

    What?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiRbzJ2aQ4E
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  • DOPEdweebz
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    Stone Cold Steve Austin
    What again?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3kqfuGHbeI
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  • DOPEdweebz
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    Stone Cold vs Booker T
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW_1nNKKnJ0
    Austin vs Booker T in the supermarket
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3yWxFl-DCA
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  • dalyricalbandit
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    HBK
    Austin vs booker is pure gold comedy
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  • Already Home_17
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    Tsotsi Cape Town wrote: »
    I could never vibe with Austin as a heel, Hunter made that team and was on one of the goat heel runs that time, I'm not bias or anything but that heel run for Austin was ? . That was heat for HHH, Austin it was more shock. HBK killed it as a heel every night he was out there

    lol triple h didn't need anymore heat. dude was already the most hated wrestler in the fans eyes (? never changes)

    triple h did what he always do. I always said he's the greatest heel because you truly hate the ?

    but Austin? dude was on another level. and with an already established heel? shiiiiet. nobody was safe. all the baby faces got ? up. not just beaten. ? UP

    the rock
    the hardys
    J.R.
    undertaker
    Kane
    even lita got that work b. steel chairs to the back, ribs, neck

    wwe_austinchairqg8.gif

    look at these ? . savage ?
    http://youtu.be/iIzh0h4ntfk
    "the brothers of destruction have been destroyed"
    J.R. and Heymans commentary was gold
    who else had undertaker and kane on the floor begging for mercy like little ? ? man y'all ? better recognize Austin's trillness during that time

    my perspective on this differs because I didn't start watching until 2000. I was just going with the flow and at 7 the ? was real to me. cheer the good guys. boo the bad guys.
    so I didn't understand the significance of austin joining forces with McMahon and how that bothered everyone who were fans before or during the attitude era.

    I understand why this is a soft spot for some.....but ? y'all feelings. heel Austin was that ?

    until he started begging for hugs and ? . couldn't get with that
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  • dalyricalbandit
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    HBK
    Damn bruh u just made me fee like a old ?
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  • grYmes
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    HBK
    Even Austin admits HBK is the best worker of all time whenever he mentions him in the podcast. Austin has had classics tho but Michaels got him with the longevity. If Austin never got his neck ? up this would be a closer debate.

    Oh yeah, as far as the mic/charisma its Austin above all else.
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  • DOPEdweebz
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    grYmes wrote: »
    Even Austin admits HBK is the best worker of all time whenever he mentions him in the podcast. Austin has had classics tho but Michaels got him with the longevity. If Austin never got his neck ? up this would be a closer debate.

    Oh yeah, as far as the mic/charisma its Austin above all else.

    Worker and overall wrestler are two different things. People forget the HBK n Austin tag team also.
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  • grYmes
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    iKingGodGivBiz wrote: »
    grYmes wrote: »
    Even Austin admits HBK is the best worker of all time whenever he mentions him in the podcast. Austin has had classics tho but Michaels got him with the longevity. If Austin never got his neck ? up this would be a closer debate.

    Oh yeah, as far as the mic/charisma its Austin above all else.

    Worker and overall wrestler are two different things. People forget the HBK n Austin tag team also.

    Whats they're tag team got to do with anything? That didn't last very long & the only memorable thing about it was their one on one match at King of the Ring that year (better than Wrestlemania 14 IMO). Austin has him on the mic but Michaels edges him as the overall wrestler due to the matches. He's got a ? ton of awesome ones spanning two decades. Like I said, if his neck never got ? up Austin more than likely would of been done as recently as a few years ago so he probably would of a alot more great matches. But that didn't work that way, so I'm with HBK.
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