Colin Kaepernick refuses “to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people”...
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blackamerica wrote: »
Bruh, these football players have sparked nationwide protest. Black ppl have FINALLY became aware & are now challenging white supremacy as we know it. But pessimistic azz ? like you aren't even given the ? a chance to grow by already talking about a ? end game. Progress will NEVER get made if ? don't appreciate the little things. Why not just be proud of black athletes finally taking a stand? Believe it or not, things like this are what start real changeThe Lonious Monk wrote: »BOSSExcellence wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »BOSSExcellence wrote: »En-Fuego22 wrote: »What is the endgame in doing this? Is this going to change the justice system? The world is already aware of the injustices that black people face here in america.
We are in no-win situation because we aren't united and we don't have any land or infrastructures to call home.
When Mlk said he regretting about leading his people into the situation this is the end result.
We can't get justice, We can't thrive in a land that we don't control .
I just don't understand black people at all there is no logical way to win in the current state that were in.
One of the law of power Law 11: Learn To Keep People Dependent on You and as black people that's who we are right now we depend on white people for everything so we can't win
Idk what endgame is but as long as these protests keep disrupting white Harmony they should continue... black people have nothing to lose at this point
was gonna. Say this..
Who gives a ? what the "endgame" is..
The mere fact that ? are starting to give a ? less about whites opinion and acceptance is beautiful..
Let these ? be great!
we'll cross that bridge when we have to..
What kinda silly logic is that man? ? ain't protesting for the sake of protesting. There is a problem that they want addressed. Doing ? just because it makes white people mad isn't any better than doing ? to avoid offending white people. In both cases, your motivations revolve around white people and there feelings and not what's best for black people.
Honestly, I think they need to flip it on them. I don't know what they should do, but they should transition away from the kneeling during the anthem to something else. The CaCs have already accomplished their mission as far as that goes. I saw them talk about this ? about 100 times this weekend because of all the football being played and I can't recall once when they actually discussed the meaning behind all of it. People like Shannon Sharpe are trying to keep that message out there, but this ? military red herring has effectively rendered anthem/flag protests moot when it comes to raising awareness for the actual cause.
I hope someone can come up with something that is in your face and can't be dismissed, but also can't be deflected. That's tough though because people in the media are good at deflecting.
The ? are u talkin about.
I didnt even finish readin that ? seein as i CLEARLY stated in the post u quotin how im happy ? is FINALLY starting to NOT give a ? about what crackas feel and think..
Thats empowerment in itself..
And jus the beginnin... Cause wit that mental chains are bein broken..
Try again..
Yeah, my bad. I wasn't really clear with my point.
You asked "who gives a ? what the "endgame" is?" The answer is "everyone with any sense." No one protests for the sake of protesting. People protest to accomplish something, so everyone involved should care what the endgame is.
A few ? not giving a ? what white people think doesn't mean much if ? are still getting shot down in the street. Making white people upset is pointless if it isn't resulting in something that benefits us.
As for breaking mental chains. I wouldn't even say much of that is going on. There have always been black who gave less that a ? what whites though. My wife's grandfather slapped the ? out of a white man back when that could get you hanged. He had to leave his hometown for life, but...hey, it was probably worth it. The fact that we got so called civil rights leaders out there bashing the players for what they're doing shows you that those chains are still very much intact. So better to aim for real victories than meaning psychological victories.
Do ya'll ? actually think about the ? that you're saying? You think Kaep did this ? and didn't give a ? if anything came out of it or do you think he had hopes that it would lead to more?
Nobody is being pessimistic by asking where we go from here. That's what you're supposed to do. Of course we're proud of the athletes stepping up and taking the lead. Now we all have to turn it into something.
I don't know where you been, but people been protesting for years now. That's great, but eventually it has to result in something. You're absolutely right. Things like this start real change, but only if there is someone thinking on how to build on it. If everyone is like you and is just satisfied with the protest, nothing gets accomplished. -
There were two other Niners that had their fists up! -
I've never been so excited to see the national anthem during a sporting event in my life. Watching Kaepernick kneel and seeing other black athletes follow and throwing up their black power signs.
? is like beautiful theatre right now. -
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Football, the Flag and the Right to Speak Our Minds
I was reminded this month of James Baldwin’s enduring words from a 1965 televised debate with William F. Buckley Jr., the conservative author who opposed the civil rights movement and denied the existence of systemic racism. Baldwin described the mind-set of those empowered by the system, saying, “The Mississippi or Alabama sheriff, who really does believe, when he’s facing a ? boy or girl, that this woman, this man, this child must be insane to attack the system to which he owes his entire identity.”
For a black child in America, Baldwin continued, “it comes as a great shock around the age of five, or six, or seven, to discover that the flag to which you have pledged allegiance, along with everybody else, has not pledged allegiance to you.”
I thought of this when 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick sat, and then knelt, during the national anthem to protest racial oppression. He was soon joined by teammate Eric Reid, the Seahawks’ Jeremy Lane, the Broncos’ Brandon Marshall and several others. What most fascinated me was the backlash. Beyond the vitriol—Twitter users wished a concussion upon Marshall—many pointed to the wealth these men have accrued as football players and thought them insane for challenging the system. But consider what we have seen on our paths.
We are handpicked from an unpaid labor pool that purports to provide an education in exchange for services rendered, though the value of that education pales drastically to overall football revenue for institutions of higher learning. Ignoring our value is a prerequisite for turning pro, so we pledge allegiance to the sport in lieu of a free market and keep our heads down.
As an NFL player, I’ve asked myself on multiple occasions, Do I want to speak the truth or do I want to make money? (Marshall lost an endorsement deal for protesting.) The league pays lip service to the notion that its athletes are valued as conscientious community members. Our platform is wasted if media relations staffers constantly nudge us to stay within the confines of “we gave 110% and we have to get better.” I can do a franchise-friendly interview in my sleep, but when we step outside the bounds of our third-down efficiency, we are vilified and told to keep quiet.
This offseason I told myself I would pursue interests beyond the game and explore avenues of expression that had been closed off as I fought to make it in the NFL. Social injustices can’t be ignored.
As Americans we’ve forgotten that we’re supposed to loathe falling in line. So-called renegades shouldn’t be embraced only after decades have passed and their causes deemed by historians to be acceptable or inevitable. Muhammad Ali challenged our country in fundamental ways while captivating audiences with his skill in the ring. He is viewed now as a cultural warrior, when in reality he lived as a pariah in his prime.
Many weren’t willing to embrace a black man who lived on his own terms and rejected the status quo. He was supposed to be grateful for his celebrity and be an example for all the little black boys and girls to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, make no excuses and ask no questions about their condition. Our nation was one of the last first-world powers to abandon traditional chattel slavery, and we are likely to be the last to overcome its consequences.
Colin Kaepernick’s motives are genuine and truthful but, for the most part, have been rejected on the basis of his method. Exercising a First Amendment right isn’t an affront to our military. The notion that the flag is sacred and untouchable—or that it has pledged the same allegiance to everyone—is one of the great hypocrisies of our time.
Millions of fans tie their identities to our teams’ successes, but they don’t know the men behind the face masks. When Kaepernick bucked the system, he forced people to reflect on the constructs they’ve accepted or, worse, had never considered.
Props to this guy, Shannon Sharpe, and Charles Woodson. -
I'm getting braids this weekend.
Shout out to the brother Kaep -
? the seahawks and their ? show of unity
Every time its brought up or i see a pic of them ? interlocked arms it just ? me off at the waste of a gesture
? em -
One of the dumbest post in IC history. ? you do realize you gotta start somewhere. You not just gon wake up one day and racism gon be dead. A end game may take YEARS. But the point is somebody is FINALLY taking a stand, and that somebody has started a nationwide debate. It's also made white ppl confront their racist history in america. You can't talk about the national anthem without mentioning the racism behind it. Yet you're dismissing of all of this because a end game hasn't been reached? Um ok ?The Lonious Monk wrote: »blackamerica wrote: »
Bruh, these football players have sparked nationwide protest. Black ppl have FINALLY became aware & are now challenging white supremacy as we know it. But pessimistic azz ? like you aren't even given the ? a chance to grow by already talking about a ? end game. Progress will NEVER get made if ? don't appreciate the little things. Why not just be proud of black athletes finally taking a stand? Believe it or not, things like this are what start real changeThe Lonious Monk wrote: »BOSSExcellence wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »BOSSExcellence wrote: »En-Fuego22 wrote: »What is the endgame in doing this? Is this going to change the justice system? The world is already aware of the injustices that black people face here in america.
We are in no-win situation because we aren't united and we don't have any land or infrastructures to call home.
When Mlk said he regretting about leading his people into the situation this is the end result.
We can't get justice, We can't thrive in a land that we don't control .
I just don't understand black people at all there is no logical way to win in the current state that were in.
One of the law of power Law 11: Learn To Keep People Dependent on You and as black people that's who we are right now we depend on white people for everything so we can't win
Idk what endgame is but as long as these protests keep disrupting white Harmony they should continue... black people have nothing to lose at this point
was gonna. Say this..
Who gives a ? what the "endgame" is..
The mere fact that ? are starting to give a ? less about whites opinion and acceptance is beautiful..
Let these ? be great!
we'll cross that bridge when we have to..
What kinda silly logic is that man? ? ain't protesting for the sake of protesting. There is a problem that they want addressed. Doing ? just because it makes white people mad isn't any better than doing ? to avoid offending white people. In both cases, your motivations revolve around white people and there feelings and not what's best for black people.
Honestly, I think they need to flip it on them. I don't know what they should do, but they should transition away from the kneeling during the anthem to something else. The CaCs have already accomplished their mission as far as that goes. I saw them talk about this ? about 100 times this weekend because of all the football being played and I can't recall once when they actually discussed the meaning behind all of it. People like Shannon Sharpe are trying to keep that message out there, but this ? military red herring has effectively rendered anthem/flag protests moot when it comes to raising awareness for the actual cause.
I hope someone can come up with something that is in your face and can't be dismissed, but also can't be deflected. That's tough though because people in the media are good at deflecting.
The ? are u talkin about.
I didnt even finish readin that ? seein as i CLEARLY stated in the post u quotin how im happy ? is FINALLY starting to NOT give a ? about what crackas feel and think..
Thats empowerment in itself..
And jus the beginnin... Cause wit that mental chains are bein broken..
Try again..
Yeah, my bad. I wasn't really clear with my point.
You asked "who gives a ? what the "endgame" is?" The answer is "everyone with any sense." No one protests for the sake of protesting. People protest to accomplish something, so everyone involved should care what the endgame is.
A few ? not giving a ? what white people think doesn't mean much if ? are still getting shot down in the street. Making white people upset is pointless if it isn't resulting in something that benefits us.
As for breaking mental chains. I wouldn't even say much of that is going on. There have always been black who gave less that a ? what whites though. My wife's grandfather slapped the ? out of a white man back when that could get you hanged. He had to leave his hometown for life, but...hey, it was probably worth it. The fact that we got so called civil rights leaders out there bashing the players for what they're doing shows you that those chains are still very much intact. So better to aim for real victories than meaning psychological victories.
Do ya'll ? actually think about the ? that you're saying? You think Kaep did this ? and didn't give a ? if anything came out of it or do you think he had hopes that it would lead to more?
Nobody is being pessimistic by asking where we go from here. That's what you're supposed to do. Of course we're proud of the athletes stepping up and taking the lead. Now we all have to turn it into something.
I don't know where you been, but people been protesting for years now. That's great, but eventually it has to result in something. You're absolutely right. Things like this start real change, but only if there is someone thinking on how to build on it. If everyone is like you and is just satisfied with the protest, nothing gets accomplished. -
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Friday, Marshall lost his first endorsement, with Air Academy Federal Credit Union. On Monday, Marshall lost another in CenturyLink, a company whose name is plastered on the top of the Seattle Seahawks’ stadium. (On Sunday, all 53 Seahawks players stood together for the anthem, with their arms linked as a show of unity.)
“We completely respect Brandon Marshall’s personal decision and right to take an action to support something in which he strongly believes,” CenturyLink said in a statement. “America is anchored in the right of individuals to express their beliefs. While we acknowledge Brandon’s right, we also believe that whatever issues we face, we also occasionally must stand together to show our allegiance to our common bond as a nation. In our view, the national anthem is one of those moments. For this reason, while we wish Brandon the best this season, we are politely terminating our agreement with him.”
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That explanation is dumb as ? and contradicts itself
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eastbay510 wrote: »That explanation is dumb as ? and contradicts itself
all politics as usual, brother -
blackamerica wrote: »
One of the dumbest post in IC history. ? you do realize you gotta start somewhere. You not just gon wake up one day and racism gon be dead. A end game may take YEARS. But the point is somebody is FINALLY taking a stand, and that somebody has started a nationwide debate. It's also made white ppl confront their racist history in america. You can't talk about the national anthem without mentioning the racism behind it. Yet you're dismissing of all of this because a end game hasn't been reached? Um ok ?The Lonious Monk wrote: »blackamerica wrote: »
Bruh, these football players have sparked nationwide protest. Black ppl have FINALLY became aware & are now challenging white supremacy as we know it. But pessimistic azz ? like you aren't even given the ? a chance to grow by already talking about a ? end game. Progress will NEVER get made if ? don't appreciate the little things. Why not just be proud of black athletes finally taking a stand? Believe it or not, things like this are what start real changeThe Lonious Monk wrote: »BOSSExcellence wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »BOSSExcellence wrote: »En-Fuego22 wrote: »What is the endgame in doing this? Is this going to change the justice system? The world is already aware of the injustices that black people face here in america.
We are in no-win situation because we aren't united and we don't have any land or infrastructures to call home.
When Mlk said he regretting about leading his people into the situation this is the end result.
We can't get justice, We can't thrive in a land that we don't control .
I just don't understand black people at all there is no logical way to win in the current state that were in.
One of the law of power Law 11: Learn To Keep People Dependent on You and as black people that's who we are right now we depend on white people for everything so we can't win
Idk what endgame is but as long as these protests keep disrupting white Harmony they should continue... black people have nothing to lose at this point
was gonna. Say this..
Who gives a ? what the "endgame" is..
The mere fact that ? are starting to give a ? less about whites opinion and acceptance is beautiful..
Let these ? be great!
we'll cross that bridge when we have to..
What kinda silly logic is that man? ? ain't protesting for the sake of protesting. There is a problem that they want addressed. Doing ? just because it makes white people mad isn't any better than doing ? to avoid offending white people. In both cases, your motivations revolve around white people and there feelings and not what's best for black people.
Honestly, I think they need to flip it on them. I don't know what they should do, but they should transition away from the kneeling during the anthem to something else. The CaCs have already accomplished their mission as far as that goes. I saw them talk about this ? about 100 times this weekend because of all the football being played and I can't recall once when they actually discussed the meaning behind all of it. People like Shannon Sharpe are trying to keep that message out there, but this ? military red herring has effectively rendered anthem/flag protests moot when it comes to raising awareness for the actual cause.
I hope someone can come up with something that is in your face and can't be dismissed, but also can't be deflected. That's tough though because people in the media are good at deflecting.
The ? are u talkin about.
I didnt even finish readin that ? seein as i CLEARLY stated in the post u quotin how im happy ? is FINALLY starting to NOT give a ? about what crackas feel and think..
Thats empowerment in itself..
And jus the beginnin... Cause wit that mental chains are bein broken..
Try again..
Yeah, my bad. I wasn't really clear with my point.
You asked "who gives a ? what the "endgame" is?" The answer is "everyone with any sense." No one protests for the sake of protesting. People protest to accomplish something, so everyone involved should care what the endgame is.
A few ? not giving a ? what white people think doesn't mean much if ? are still getting shot down in the street. Making white people upset is pointless if it isn't resulting in something that benefits us.
As for breaking mental chains. I wouldn't even say much of that is going on. There have always been black who gave less that a ? what whites though. My wife's grandfather slapped the ? out of a white man back when that could get you hanged. He had to leave his hometown for life, but...hey, it was probably worth it. The fact that we got so called civil rights leaders out there bashing the players for what they're doing shows you that those chains are still very much intact. So better to aim for real victories than meaning psychological victories.
Do ya'll ? actually think about the ? that you're saying? You think Kaep did this ? and didn't give a ? if anything came out of it or do you think he had hopes that it would lead to more?
Nobody is being pessimistic by asking where we go from here. That's what you're supposed to do. Of course we're proud of the athletes stepping up and taking the lead. Now we all have to turn it into something.
I don't know where you been, but people been protesting for years now. That's great, but eventually it has to result in something. You're absolutely right. Things like this start real change, but only if there is someone thinking on how to build on it. If everyone is like you and is just satisfied with the protest, nothing gets accomplished.
? , shut the ? up. You think kaep is some revolutionary? You young ? are crackhead stupid. Before you ? had social media to communicate all the time, people were still putting in ground work. People were still upset, trying to march, trying to get their voices heard. Kanye west still got infront of the world and said george bush doesnt care about black people. That ? wasnt jokes at the time.
How dare you say somebody has FINALLY taken a stand. HOW ? DARE YOU. Like black people just been sitting by being quiet and complacent like slaves for decades until some downs syndrome looking light skin brotha continued the conversation.
You bottom feeders have the nerve to come at me, but say some ? like "finally somebody is taking a stand". -
prime_time_? wrote: »
Rams DE Robert Quinn, on raising a fist during the national anthem: "Just standing up for my rights. Everyone knows the whole situation. Long story short, Fisher asked us to stand. So I respect him enough to do that. But at least to show awareness, raise my fist, show support out there that you have support throughout the league. I didn't want to try to distract the team; just wants to have my right of freedom." -
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Kaep is the new Jim Brown
Stay strong my brother. -
BOSSExcellence wrote: »En-Fuego22 wrote: »BOSSExcellence wrote: »En-Fuego22 wrote: »BOSSExcellence wrote: »En-Fuego22 wrote: »What is the endgame in doing this? Is this going to change the justice system? The world is already aware of the injustices that black people face here in america.
We are in no-win situation because we aren't united and we don't have any land or infrastructures to call home.
When Mlk said he regretting about leading his people into the situation this is the end result.
We can't get justice, We can't thrive in a land that we don't control .
I just don't understand black people at all there is no logical way to win in the current state that were in.
One of the law of power Law 11: Learn To Keep People Dependent on You and as black people that's who we are right now we depend on white people for everything so we can't win
Idk what endgame is but as long as these protests keep disrupting white Harmony they should continue... black people have nothing to lose at this point
was gonna. Say this..
Who gives a ? what the "endgame" is..
The mere fact that ? are starting to give a ? less about whites opinion and acceptance is beautiful..
Let these ? be great!
we'll cross that bridge when we have to..
We should give a ? about the endgame because we need to achieve what were fighting for.
My point is when we have the attention of the world that's when we get what we want. It shouldn't be we get holler about stuff and don't get nothing done.
I don't want to waste an opportunity to get things done
fate rewards the bold my ? ..
Sometimes u jus gotta take risks in life...
U know the sayin.. No risk no reward..
U type ? think too much..
and then wonder why ? dont get done..
Its okay to wing it sometimes my ? ..
Naw I'm not overthinking and we're already in the process so yeah everything we doing is winging it. I just want to win and preparation leads to success
there's never gonna be a perfect plan or perfect time..
? correct me if im wrong but the American Revolution wasnt planned.. Crackers jus got fed up and acted out and sparked some ? ...
Well my ? ... "The red coats is commin" lol
I see what both of y'all are saying and I agree with both. But to the homie @BOSSExcellence point, sometimes you just need a spark. Kaep is doing things behind closed doors to put some action behind his protest, but for the rest of the players that are following his lead, Kaep sparked them. They know he's right and got on board so they don't need to have a plan per se. But some young brother or sister out here is also looking and is inspired. Like Tupac said "I might not change the world but I will spark the brain that will change the world"
In summation...these ? don't need to be leaders (we'll definitely take it if that's what comes of it tho). They did their job by bringing awareness and not wavering on it. Maybe the point is for somebody who's mind is wired better to carry the baton for the next leg of the race...and then somebody or a group builds off that. -
White_Owl_Willie wrote: »
I can only imagine that at some point in time, this is what first take should've looked like. Instead you ended up with screaming A Smith cooning and apologizing and talking tough to athletes he supposed to be uplifting.
For as wack as skip is with the obvious trolling, one thing I can say about him is he never overstepped his bounds when race came up on first take. He always defers to black ppl in the discussion because he knows it's not his experience. I've seen him ask several times what he can do as a white man and just wanting to learn instead of telling ppl how to be or how to express themselves. He gets my respect for that. -
Again. To put it in perspective, you're a ? who was defending Ray Lewis being a ? in this same thread. RAY LEWIS!!? You are the WRONG ? to speak on anything regarding social injustice. Matter of fact, you're just as much of a boot lickin ? as Ray Lewis is.blackamerica wrote: »
One of the dumbest post in IC history. ? you do realize you gotta start somewhere. You not just gon wake up one day and racism gon be dead. A end game may take YEARS. But the point is somebody is FINALLY taking a stand, and that somebody has started a nationwide debate. It's also made white ppl confront their racist history in america. You can't talk about the national anthem without mentioning the racism behind it. Yet you're dismissing of all of this because a end game hasn't been reached? Um ok ?The Lonious Monk wrote: »blackamerica wrote: »
Bruh, these football players have sparked nationwide protest. Black ppl have FINALLY became aware & are now challenging white supremacy as we know it. But pessimistic azz ? like you aren't even given the ? a chance to grow by already talking about a ? end game. Progress will NEVER get made if ? don't appreciate the little things. Why not just be proud of black athletes finally taking a stand? Believe it or not, things like this are what start real changeThe Lonious Monk wrote: »BOSSExcellence wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »BOSSExcellence wrote: »En-Fuego22 wrote: »What is the endgame in doing this? Is this going to change the justice system? The world is already aware of the injustices that black people face here in america.
We are in no-win situation because we aren't united and we don't have any land or infrastructures to call home.
When Mlk said he regretting about leading his people into the situation this is the end result.
We can't get justice, We can't thrive in a land that we don't control .
I just don't understand black people at all there is no logical way to win in the current state that were in.
One of the law of power Law 11: Learn To Keep People Dependent on You and as black people that's who we are right now we depend on white people for everything so we can't win
Idk what endgame is but as long as these protests keep disrupting white Harmony they should continue... black people have nothing to lose at this point
was gonna. Say this..
Who gives a ? what the "endgame" is..
The mere fact that ? are starting to give a ? less about whites opinion and acceptance is beautiful..
Let these ? be great!
we'll cross that bridge when we have to..
What kinda silly logic is that man? ? ain't protesting for the sake of protesting. There is a problem that they want addressed. Doing ? just because it makes white people mad isn't any better than doing ? to avoid offending white people. In both cases, your motivations revolve around white people and there feelings and not what's best for black people.
Honestly, I think they need to flip it on them. I don't know what they should do, but they should transition away from the kneeling during the anthem to something else. The CaCs have already accomplished their mission as far as that goes. I saw them talk about this ? about 100 times this weekend because of all the football being played and I can't recall once when they actually discussed the meaning behind all of it. People like Shannon Sharpe are trying to keep that message out there, but this ? military red herring has effectively rendered anthem/flag protests moot when it comes to raising awareness for the actual cause.
I hope someone can come up with something that is in your face and can't be dismissed, but also can't be deflected. That's tough though because people in the media are good at deflecting.
The ? are u talkin about.
I didnt even finish readin that ? seein as i CLEARLY stated in the post u quotin how im happy ? is FINALLY starting to NOT give a ? about what crackas feel and think..
Thats empowerment in itself..
And jus the beginnin... Cause wit that mental chains are bein broken..
Try again..
Yeah, my bad. I wasn't really clear with my point.
You asked "who gives a ? what the "endgame" is?" The answer is "everyone with any sense." No one protests for the sake of protesting. People protest to accomplish something, so everyone involved should care what the endgame is.
A few ? not giving a ? what white people think doesn't mean much if ? are still getting shot down in the street. Making white people upset is pointless if it isn't resulting in something that benefits us.
As for breaking mental chains. I wouldn't even say much of that is going on. There have always been black who gave less that a ? what whites though. My wife's grandfather slapped the ? out of a white man back when that could get you hanged. He had to leave his hometown for life, but...hey, it was probably worth it. The fact that we got so called civil rights leaders out there bashing the players for what they're doing shows you that those chains are still very much intact. So better to aim for real victories than meaning psychological victories.
Do ya'll ? actually think about the ? that you're saying? You think Kaep did this ? and didn't give a ? if anything came out of it or do you think he had hopes that it would lead to more?
Nobody is being pessimistic by asking where we go from here. That's what you're supposed to do. Of course we're proud of the athletes stepping up and taking the lead. Now we all have to turn it into something.
I don't know where you been, but people been protesting for years now. That's great, but eventually it has to result in something. You're absolutely right. Things like this start real change, but only if there is someone thinking on how to build on it. If everyone is like you and is just satisfied with the protest, nothing gets accomplished.
? , shut the ? up. You think kaep is some revolutionary? You young ? are crackhead stupid. Before you ? had social media to communicate all the time, people were still putting in ground work. People were still upset, trying to march, trying to get their voices heard. Kanye west still got infront of the world and said george bush doesnt care about black people. That ? wasnt jokes at the time.
How dare you say somebody has FINALLY taken a stand. HOW ? DARE YOU. Like black people just been sitting by being quiet and complacent like slaves for decades until some downs syndrome looking light skin brotha continued the conversation.
You bottom feeders have the nerve to come at me, but say some ? like "finally somebody is taking a stand".
With that said, what I meant was we finally got athletes with a HUGE platform taking a stand on social issues. The thing is we call ppl out like Cam Newton, Richard Sherman, Charles Barkley for being ? , and say "why don't athletes speak out more on social matters involving their own", but when they do internet ? like you & Lonious tear them down. For the record, Kaep hasnt done anything other than legally protest. How tf can you criticize him? Uncle Ruckus of the IC azz ? -
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/09/12/kaepernick-flag-protest-citizen-inappropriate-racism-black-president-column/89967410/New U.S. citizen to Kaepernick: Stand up
I hope he remembers that he is allowed to sit because he is in the land of the free and the home of the brave.
After 19 years living in the United States, the greatest country in the world, I finally became a U.S. citizen on Aug. 26. Other than my wedding and the birth of my children, this was the happiest day of my life. This was the day that I had dreamed of since I was a little boy obsessed with American sports and culture growing up in Montreal, Canada.
The United States of America afforded me the opportunity to study law and work as a tax attorney in New York City for almost 10 years. I was then able to use that knowledge to start my own successful retirement trust company. Of course, I am not alone. Over the last hundreds of years, millions of newly naturalized citizens have been able to prosper and live the American Dream.
That night while I was going to bed for the first time as a U.S. citizen, Colin Kaepernick, an American professional football player for the San Francisco 49ers, refused to stand for the national anthem in a game against the Green Bay Packers. When addressing the news media on his protest, Kaepernick stated to NFL.com, "There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.” He went on to say, “I'll continue to sit. I'm going to continue to stand with the people that are being oppressed. To me, this is something that has to change. When there's significant change — and I feel like that flag represents what it's supposed to represent, and this country is representing people the way it's supposed to — I'll stand."
Kaepernick is a fine quarterback whom I have enjoyed watching over the years. He has been a quarterback in the NFL for more than five years and led the San Francisco 49ers to the Super Bowl in 2012 as a rookie. Kaepernick was also raised by two white parents after his own birth parents were not willing or able to raise him themselves. In addition, he has a net worth of more than $20 million from playing American football.
The Constitution of the United States of America allows Kaepernick every opportunity to protest, complain or dispute almost any social or political perceived wrong within the confines of the law, including not standing for the playing of the national anthem. But that doesn’t make it right.
As a fellow U.S. citizen, I ask: How dare you disrespect the very country that has given you everything you have? The United States was founded on the principles of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I should know, because I studied these exact principles in preparation for my citizenship test. From slavery, to the women’s suffrage movement, the civil rights movement, anti-war protests and ? and lesbians rights, America has had its challenges and will continue to have its challenges, just like every other country. However, unlike most other countries, I am positive that the United States will gain strength from its challenges, and they will help it evolve into a stronger and even more democratic, unified country.
As a new citizen of this great country, I can tell Kaepernick that he doesn’t know how lucky he is. Being a U.S. citizen allows him to protest the actions or inactions of his country and government in a very public manner, without risking personal safety or financial security. Just the fact that Kaepernick can publicly and freely protest something as sacred as standing for the national anthem should be enough to awaken his soul and mind to the true greatness of this country. Even though I am a new citizen, I am not naive enough to believe that this country is perfect and that racism does not exist in various forums, including in government agencies. Yet, the last time that I checked, our president of almost the last eight years is African-American, and so are some of our most influential businessman, scholars, artists, musicians, politicians and jurists. To claim, as Kaepernick has, that “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,” is plainly ignorant of present-day reality. The United States has come a long way in its fight to treat all citizens equally under the rule of law. The process is ongoing and not always perfect, as we have seen recently in Baton Rouge and across the country.
I applaud Kaepernick for taking on an important social problem and standing up for what he believes in. Standing up for what one believes in and protesting under the law is one of the great virtues of this country, but in order for it to have its intended effect, the protest must be directed at the appropriate source.
If Kaepernick wants to protest police brutality, then by all means he should direct his protest at the police or the appropriate government agencies or individuals. By directing his protest at the Star-Spangled Banner, Kaepernick, who himself is living the American dream, is disrespecting the cultural significance we Americans place on the flag and share as a country. He is undermining the national, cultural and patriotic events that were its foundation. As a new U.S. citizen, his behavior makes me cringe.
I can only hope that as Kaepernick is sitting during the playing of our great national anthem, he remembers that he is allowed to sit because he is in the land of the free and the home of the brave.
Adam Bergman is a senior tax partner with the IRA Financial Group and the author of Going Solo: America’s Best Kept Retirement Secret For the Self-Employed.
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blackamerica wrote: »
Again. To put it in perspective, you're a ? who was defending Ray Lewis being a ? in this same thread. RAY LEWIS!!? You are the WRONG ? to speak on anything regarding social injustice. Matter of fact, you're just as much of a boot lickin ? as Ray Lewis is.blackamerica wrote: »
One of the dumbest post in IC history. ? you do realize you gotta start somewhere. You not just gon wake up one day and racism gon be dead. A end game may take YEARS. But the point is somebody is FINALLY taking a stand, and that somebody has started a nationwide debate. It's also made white ppl confront their racist history in america. You can't talk about the national anthem without mentioning the racism behind it. Yet you're dismissing of all of this because a end game hasn't been reached? Um ok ?The Lonious Monk wrote: »blackamerica wrote: »
Bruh, these football players have sparked nationwide protest. Black ppl have FINALLY became aware & are now challenging white supremacy as we know it. But pessimistic azz ? like you aren't even given the ? a chance to grow by already talking about a ? end game. Progress will NEVER get made if ? don't appreciate the little things. Why not just be proud of black athletes finally taking a stand? Believe it or not, things like this are what start real changeThe Lonious Monk wrote: »BOSSExcellence wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »BOSSExcellence wrote: »En-Fuego22 wrote: »What is the endgame in doing this? Is this going to change the justice system? The world is already aware of the injustices that black people face here in america.
We are in no-win situation because we aren't united and we don't have any land or infrastructures to call home.
When Mlk said he regretting about leading his people into the situation this is the end result.
We can't get justice, We can't thrive in a land that we don't control .
I just don't understand black people at all there is no logical way to win in the current state that were in.
One of the law of power Law 11: Learn To Keep People Dependent on You and as black people that's who we are right now we depend on white people for everything so we can't win
Idk what endgame is but as long as these protests keep disrupting white Harmony they should continue... black people have nothing to lose at this point
was gonna. Say this..
Who gives a ? what the "endgame" is..
The mere fact that ? are starting to give a ? less about whites opinion and acceptance is beautiful..
Let these ? be great!
we'll cross that bridge when we have to..
What kinda silly logic is that man? ? ain't protesting for the sake of protesting. There is a problem that they want addressed. Doing ? just because it makes white people mad isn't any better than doing ? to avoid offending white people. In both cases, your motivations revolve around white people and there feelings and not what's best for black people.
Honestly, I think they need to flip it on them. I don't know what they should do, but they should transition away from the kneeling during the anthem to something else. The CaCs have already accomplished their mission as far as that goes. I saw them talk about this ? about 100 times this weekend because of all the football being played and I can't recall once when they actually discussed the meaning behind all of it. People like Shannon Sharpe are trying to keep that message out there, but this ? military red herring has effectively rendered anthem/flag protests moot when it comes to raising awareness for the actual cause.
I hope someone can come up with something that is in your face and can't be dismissed, but also can't be deflected. That's tough though because people in the media are good at deflecting.
The ? are u talkin about.
I didnt even finish readin that ? seein as i CLEARLY stated in the post u quotin how im happy ? is FINALLY starting to NOT give a ? about what crackas feel and think..
Thats empowerment in itself..
And jus the beginnin... Cause wit that mental chains are bein broken..
Try again..
Yeah, my bad. I wasn't really clear with my point.
You asked "who gives a ? what the "endgame" is?" The answer is "everyone with any sense." No one protests for the sake of protesting. People protest to accomplish something, so everyone involved should care what the endgame is.
A few ? not giving a ? what white people think doesn't mean much if ? are still getting shot down in the street. Making white people upset is pointless if it isn't resulting in something that benefits us.
As for breaking mental chains. I wouldn't even say much of that is going on. There have always been black who gave less that a ? what whites though. My wife's grandfather slapped the ? out of a white man back when that could get you hanged. He had to leave his hometown for life, but...hey, it was probably worth it. The fact that we got so called civil rights leaders out there bashing the players for what they're doing shows you that those chains are still very much intact. So better to aim for real victories than meaning psychological victories.
Do ya'll ? actually think about the ? that you're saying? You think Kaep did this ? and didn't give a ? if anything came out of it or do you think he had hopes that it would lead to more?
Nobody is being pessimistic by asking where we go from here. That's what you're supposed to do. Of course we're proud of the athletes stepping up and taking the lead. Now we all have to turn it into something.
I don't know where you been, but people been protesting for years now. That's great, but eventually it has to result in something. You're absolutely right. Things like this start real change, but only if there is someone thinking on how to build on it. If everyone is like you and is just satisfied with the protest, nothing gets accomplished.
? , shut the ? up. You think kaep is some revolutionary? You young ? are crackhead stupid. Before you ? had social media to communicate all the time, people were still putting in ground work. People were still upset, trying to march, trying to get their voices heard. Kanye west still got infront of the world and said george bush doesnt care about black people. That ? wasnt jokes at the time.
How dare you say somebody has FINALLY taken a stand. HOW ? DARE YOU. Like black people just been sitting by being quiet and complacent like slaves for decades until some downs syndrome looking light skin brotha continued the conversation.
You bottom feeders have the nerve to come at me, but say some ? like "finally somebody is taking a stand".
With that said, what I meant was we finally got athletes with a HUGE platform taking a stand on social issues. The thing is we call ppl out like Cam Newton, Richard Sherman, Charles Barkley for being ? , and say "why don't athletes speak out more on social matters involving their own", but when they do internet ? like you & Lonious tear them down. For the record, Kaep hasnt done anything other than legally protest. How tf can you criticize him? Uncle Ruckus of the IC azz ?
Yall actually read that ? posts?
I bypass that ? every time I see that screen name. Feel like this whenever I see a post by him
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stringer bell wrote: »http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/09/12/kaepernick-flag-protest-citizen-inappropriate-racism-black-president-column/89967410/New U.S. citizen to Kaepernick: Stand up
I hope he remembers that he is allowed to sit because he is in the land of the free and the home of the brave.
After 19 years living in the United States, the greatest country in the world, I finally became a U.S. citizen on Aug. 26. Other than my wedding and the birth of my children, this was the happiest day of my life. This was the day that I had dreamed of since I was a little boy obsessed with American sports and culture growing up in Montreal, Canada.
The United States of America afforded me the opportunity to study law and work as a tax attorney in New York City for almost 10 years. I was then able to use that knowledge to start my own successful retirement trust company. Of course, I am not alone. Over the last hundreds of years, millions of newly naturalized citizens have been able to prosper and live the American Dream.
That night while I was going to bed for the first time as a U.S. citizen, Colin Kaepernick, an American professional football player for the San Francisco 49ers, refused to stand for the national anthem in a game against the Green Bay Packers. When addressing the news media on his protest, Kaepernick stated to NFL.com, "There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.” He went on to say, “I'll continue to sit. I'm going to continue to stand with the people that are being oppressed. To me, this is something that has to change. When there's significant change — and I feel like that flag represents what it's supposed to represent, and this country is representing people the way it's supposed to — I'll stand."
Kaepernick is a fine quarterback whom I have enjoyed watching over the years. He has been a quarterback in the NFL for more than five years and led the San Francisco 49ers to the Super Bowl in 2012 as a rookie. Kaepernick was also raised by two white parents after his own birth parents were not willing or able to raise him themselves. In addition, he has a net worth of more than $20 million from playing American football.
The Constitution of the United States of America allows Kaepernick every opportunity to protest, complain or dispute almost any social or political perceived wrong within the confines of the law, including not standing for the playing of the national anthem. But that doesn’t make it right.
As a fellow U.S. citizen, I ask: How dare you disrespect the very country that has given you everything you have? The United States was founded on the principles of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I should know, because I studied these exact principles in preparation for my citizenship test. From slavery, to the women’s suffrage movement, the civil rights movement, anti-war protests and ? and lesbians rights, America has had its challenges and will continue to have its challenges, just like every other country. However, unlike most other countries, I am positive that the United States will gain strength from its challenges, and they will help it evolve into a stronger and even more democratic, unified country.
As a new citizen of this great country, I can tell Kaepernick that he doesn’t know how lucky he is. Being a U.S. citizen allows him to protest the actions or inactions of his country and government in a very public manner, without risking personal safety or financial security. Just the fact that Kaepernick can publicly and freely protest something as sacred as standing for the national anthem should be enough to awaken his soul and mind to the true greatness of this country. Even though I am a new citizen, I am not naive enough to believe that this country is perfect and that racism does not exist in various forums, including in government agencies. Yet, the last time that I checked, our president of almost the last eight years is African-American, and so are some of our most influential businessman, scholars, artists, musicians, politicians and jurists. To claim, as Kaepernick has, that “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,” is plainly ignorant of present-day reality. The United States has come a long way in its fight to treat all citizens equally under the rule of law. The process is ongoing and not always perfect, as we have seen recently in Baton Rouge and across the country.
I applaud Kaepernick for taking on an important social problem and standing up for what he believes in. Standing up for what one believes in and protesting under the law is one of the great virtues of this country, but in order for it to have its intended effect, the protest must be directed at the appropriate source.
If Kaepernick wants to protest police brutality, then by all means he should direct his protest at the police or the appropriate government agencies or individuals. By directing his protest at the Star-Spangled Banner, Kaepernick, who himself is living the American dream, is disrespecting the cultural significance we Americans place on the flag and share as a country. He is undermining the national, cultural and patriotic events that were its foundation. As a new U.S. citizen, his behavior makes me cringe.
I can only hope that as Kaepernick is sitting during the playing of our great national anthem, he remembers that he is allowed to sit because he is in the land of the free and the home of the brave.
Adam Bergman is a senior tax partner with the IRA Financial Group and the author of Going Solo: America’s Best Kept Retirement Secret For the Self-Employed.
These ? immigrants don't understand that our experience in this country is totally different from theirs -
I'm not surprised. You probably bypass a lot of issues, which explains how misinformed you are. But keep shuckin & jivin ya lil ?blackamerica wrote: »
Again. To put it in perspective, you're a ? who was defending Ray Lewis being a ? in this same thread. RAY LEWIS!!? You are the WRONG ? to speak on anything regarding social injustice. Matter of fact, you're just as much of a boot lickin ? as Ray Lewis is.blackamerica wrote: »
One of the dumbest post in IC history. ? you do realize you gotta start somewhere. You not just gon wake up one day and racism gon be dead. A end game may take YEARS. But the point is somebody is FINALLY taking a stand, and that somebody has started a nationwide debate. It's also made white ppl confront their racist history in america. You can't talk about the national anthem without mentioning the racism behind it. Yet you're dismissing of all of this because a end game hasn't been reached? Um ok ?The Lonious Monk wrote: »blackamerica wrote: »
Bruh, these football players have sparked nationwide protest. Black ppl have FINALLY became aware & are now challenging white supremacy as we know it. But pessimistic azz ? like you aren't even given the ? a chance to grow by already talking about a ? end game. Progress will NEVER get made if ? don't appreciate the little things. Why not just be proud of black athletes finally taking a stand? Believe it or not, things like this are what start real changeThe Lonious Monk wrote: »BOSSExcellence wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »BOSSExcellence wrote: »En-Fuego22 wrote: »What is the endgame in doing this? Is this going to change the justice system? The world is already aware of the injustices that black people face here in america.
We are in no-win situation because we aren't united and we don't have any land or infrastructures to call home.
When Mlk said he regretting about leading his people into the situation this is the end result.
We can't get justice, We can't thrive in a land that we don't control .
I just don't understand black people at all there is no logical way to win in the current state that were in.
One of the law of power Law 11: Learn To Keep People Dependent on You and as black people that's who we are right now we depend on white people for everything so we can't win
Idk what endgame is but as long as these protests keep disrupting white Harmony they should continue... black people have nothing to lose at this point
was gonna. Say this..
Who gives a ? what the "endgame" is..
The mere fact that ? are starting to give a ? less about whites opinion and acceptance is beautiful..
Let these ? be great!
we'll cross that bridge when we have to..
What kinda silly logic is that man? ? ain't protesting for the sake of protesting. There is a problem that they want addressed. Doing ? just because it makes white people mad isn't any better than doing ? to avoid offending white people. In both cases, your motivations revolve around white people and there feelings and not what's best for black people.
Honestly, I think they need to flip it on them. I don't know what they should do, but they should transition away from the kneeling during the anthem to something else. The CaCs have already accomplished their mission as far as that goes. I saw them talk about this ? about 100 times this weekend because of all the football being played and I can't recall once when they actually discussed the meaning behind all of it. People like Shannon Sharpe are trying to keep that message out there, but this ? military red herring has effectively rendered anthem/flag protests moot when it comes to raising awareness for the actual cause.
I hope someone can come up with something that is in your face and can't be dismissed, but also can't be deflected. That's tough though because people in the media are good at deflecting.
The ? are u talkin about.
I didnt even finish readin that ? seein as i CLEARLY stated in the post u quotin how im happy ? is FINALLY starting to NOT give a ? about what crackas feel and think..
Thats empowerment in itself..
And jus the beginnin... Cause wit that mental chains are bein broken..
Try again..
Yeah, my bad. I wasn't really clear with my point.
You asked "who gives a ? what the "endgame" is?" The answer is "everyone with any sense." No one protests for the sake of protesting. People protest to accomplish something, so everyone involved should care what the endgame is.
A few ? not giving a ? what white people think doesn't mean much if ? are still getting shot down in the street. Making white people upset is pointless if it isn't resulting in something that benefits us.
As for breaking mental chains. I wouldn't even say much of that is going on. There have always been black who gave less that a ? what whites though. My wife's grandfather slapped the ? out of a white man back when that could get you hanged. He had to leave his hometown for life, but...hey, it was probably worth it. The fact that we got so called civil rights leaders out there bashing the players for what they're doing shows you that those chains are still very much intact. So better to aim for real victories than meaning psychological victories.
Do ya'll ? actually think about the ? that you're saying? You think Kaep did this ? and didn't give a ? if anything came out of it or do you think he had hopes that it would lead to more?
Nobody is being pessimistic by asking where we go from here. That's what you're supposed to do. Of course we're proud of the athletes stepping up and taking the lead. Now we all have to turn it into something.
I don't know where you been, but people been protesting for years now. That's great, but eventually it has to result in something. You're absolutely right. Things like this start real change, but only if there is someone thinking on how to build on it. If everyone is like you and is just satisfied with the protest, nothing gets accomplished.
? , shut the ? up. You think kaep is some revolutionary? You young ? are crackhead stupid. Before you ? had social media to communicate all the time, people were still putting in ground work. People were still upset, trying to march, trying to get their voices heard. Kanye west still got infront of the world and said george bush doesnt care about black people. That ? wasnt jokes at the time.
How dare you say somebody has FINALLY taken a stand. HOW ? DARE YOU. Like black people just been sitting by being quiet and complacent like slaves for decades until some downs syndrome looking light skin brotha continued the conversation.
You bottom feeders have the nerve to come at me, but say some ? like "finally somebody is taking a stand".
With that said, what I meant was we finally got athletes with a HUGE platform taking a stand on social issues. The thing is we call ppl out like Cam Newton, Richard Sherman, Charles Barkley for being ? , and say "why don't athletes speak out more on social matters involving their own", but when they do internet ? like you & Lonious tear them down. For the record, Kaep hasnt done anything other than legally protest. How tf can you criticize him? Uncle Ruckus of the IC azz ?
Yall actually read that ? posts?
I bypass that ? every time I see that screen name. Feel like this whenever I see a post by him
https://youtu.be/JkoSb0mIHXc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-zJL9JuOLQ
