Columbus,OH pigs ? a black 13-year-old boy Tyre King who was carrying laser BB gun...

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  • sTaY_TrUe
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    Im at a loss of words....
  • Ilike2get baked
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    In no way am I justifying this shooting and I know the young man was 13 but a toy gun in today's climate just ain't gonna fly in no way, shape, or form. You can't even sell cds without being left leaking out here.
  • Swiffness!
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    Its telling how Alex Jones/INFOWARS ? are willing to 100% believe the official police story at face value w/ no skepticism whatsoever.
  • semi-auto-mato
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    i dont know what to say. the babies gotta be off limits.
  • texasdaking88
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    Vellum wrote: »
    ? happens. There were a group of people that robbed someone earlier, they fit the description. Cops go to talk to them, they take off running, allegedly he pulls out his bb gun, gets got.

    Who cares. Clearly ? aint learning in America. Keep repeating the same cliche over and over. His age is irrelevant. Parents should be ashamed.

    The fact that this ? roams the ic streets freely says alot
  • CeLLaR-DooR
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  • soul rattler
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    Vellum wrote: »
    R0mp wrote: »
    Let's say the bb gun did look real. We have seen cases where the perp has actually pointed and fired a real gun at police and was taken alive.

    So the ? what. Cops arent robots. Theyre humans with varying human experiences.

    ARE YOU GONNA PRETEND THERE ISNT A THREAD RIGHT NOW OF A WHITE COP NOT CHOOSING TO ? A BLACK MAN WHO HAD AN ACTUAL REAL GUN ON HIM!!!???????

    If every black male that committed a violent crime was shot instead of arrested, the numbers would be astronomical.

    Yall acting like you follow every police shooting in America every day across the country, and clearly just not drooling at the mouth waiting for a black man to get into a situation just so you can confirm your bias.

    Its not even like we dont have ground to speak on with police brutality, lies, higher aggression towards, but we'd rather not stick to the facts, but engross ourselves in conspiracy theories, and wild assumptions.

    ? the numbers are astronomical right the ? now.

    Who is arrested at a higher rate? Black people.

    Who gets killed by police at a higher rate? Black people.
    “Over the past year, The Post found that the vast majority of those shot and killed by police were armed and half of them were white. Still, police killed blacks at three times the rate of whites when adjusted for the populations where these shootings occurred. And although black men represent 6 percent of the U.S. population, they made up nearly 40 percent of those who were killed while unarmed.”

    So, even though more whites were killed by police in 2015 by sheer numbers, blacks were three times as likely to be killed by police. Blacks comprise 12 percent of the U.S. population; black men represent 6 percent.

    Moreover, the trends in the first six months of 2016 mirrored the trends from 2015. Black people were shot at 2.5 times the rate of white people. About half of the sheer number of people fatally shot by police in 2016 were white, and about half were minorities. Compared to the same period in 2015, there was a 6 percent increase in the number of fatal shootings by police in the first six months of 2016.
    http://www.denverpost.com/2016/07/12/fact-check-more-whites-shot-by-police-in-2015-than-minorities/
  • D0wn
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    I believe these same honest Ohio cops, that lied on John Crawford, and Tamir Rice....Tyree pointed the gun, just like Tamir, and John did.

    Again I'll wait 4 the video...
  • all original
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    Vellum wrote: »
    R0mp wrote: »
    Let's say the bb gun did look real. We have seen cases where the perp has actually pointed and fired a real gun at police and was taken alive.

    So the ? what. Cops arent robots. Theyre humans with varying human experiences.

    ARE YOU GONNA PRETEND THERE ISNT A THREAD RIGHT NOW OF A WHITE COP NOT CHOOSING TO ? A BLACK MAN WHO HAD AN ACTUAL REAL GUN ON HIM!!!???????

    If every black male that committed a violent crime was shot instead of arrested, the numbers would be astronomical.

    Yall acting like you follow every police shooting in America every day across the country, and clearly just not drooling at the mouth waiting for a black man to get into a situation just so you can confirm your bias.

    Its not even like we dont have ground to speak on with police brutality, lies, higher aggression towards, but we'd rather not stick to the facts, but engross ourselves in conspiracy theories, and wild assumptions.


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  • aneed123
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    I don't give a ? if it looked real. Who shoots a child with no ? given? Cops killing kids
  • D. Morgan
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    aneed123 wrote: »
    I don't give a ? if it looked real. Who shoots a child with no ? given? Cops killing kids

    They don't view our black kids as children they see them as grown adults. What makes that worst is the fact they don't view black adults as humans so with that point of view this is the type of results we get.
  • Tymoney19
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    D. Morgan wrote: »
    aneed123 wrote: »
    I don't give a ? if it looked real. Who shoots a child with no ? given? Cops killing kids

    They don't view our black kids and children they see them as grown adults. What makes that worst is the fact they don't view black adults as humans so with that point of view this is the type of results we get.

    But yall act like 13 yr olds in the hood aint pulling up and dumping???
  • D. Morgan
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    Tymoney19 wrote: »
    D. Morgan wrote: »
    aneed123 wrote: »
    I don't give a ? if it looked real. Who shoots a child with no ? given? Cops killing kids

    They don't view our black kids and children they see them as grown adults. What makes that worst is the fact they don't view black adults as humans so with that point of view this is the type of results we get.

    But yall act like 13 yr olds in the hood aint pulling up and dumping???

    Who the ? is yall?

    Some are and some aren't. So what you saying since some are shooters at 13 they should treat all 13 year olds as shooters? FOH
  • bgoat
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    Vellum wrote: »
    bgoat wrote: »
    7figz wrote: »
    7figz wrote: »
    Before this whole thread is occupied by people vilifying BB guns and justifying this ? , let me ask you 2 things:

    - Are BB guns illegal ?
    - How many white kids are killed for carrying BB guns ?

    First point no

    Second point.. who cares... we have to worry about us.. because whining about whats not happening to whites is not saving a young black child from getting shot.. We already know the game so we should take precaution an use good judgement

    You mistake the point of that second question.

    It's not to say that Black kids should not use good judgement, or should carry BB guns (thought we should have the right like anyone else).

    It's pointing out that police don't ? simply because they claim to see someone with a gun / BB gun but because a person is Black.

    Straight up. You don't see black cops killing white or black kids. You don't see white cops killing white kids, but you see them killing black kids like it ain't ? to them.

    ? , the Milwaukee cop that shot Sylville Smith, that lead to riots just a few weeks ago was black. Dude even was a rapper. lmao

    The majority of children playing with bb guns regardless of race, arent suspected of armed robbery, and arent running from cops. Theyre just in their backyard, or the woods, shooting at ? .

    Dudes acting like its normal to just walk around with a bb gun that looks like a real gun in your waste at 13, and its normal to run from the cops.

    As if a white boy aint catch 3, and then 2 while he laid dying on the ground for pretending to have a gun 2 months ago in California.

    Stop smoking so much weed yall. Its ? with your brains heavily.

    If you don't get your ass out of here with these one or 2 instances, when it's years and years of this same ole ? with the police. Do you even know why the police department was even created?
  • gns
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  • stringer bell
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    http://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/attorneys-for-tyre-kings-family-speak-out-about-the-case-for-the-first-time
    Attorneys for Tyre King's family speak out about the case for the first time

    COLUMBUS — The attorneys for Tyre King's family are calling for outside experts to investigate the shooting death of 13 year old Tyre King at the hands of Columbus police.

    Attorneys Sean Walton and Chanda Brown are representing Tyre King's family.

    They didn't want to talk specifics about the case since they are the midst of getting to the bottom of it themselves.

    Tensions were high during what should have been a somber moment.

    Dozens attended a candle light vigil for King outside Brentnell Community Recreation in northeast Columbus.

    Mourners, some verbally expressing anger toward police and the media, huddled around candles and released balloons.

    King's family expressed a need for justice through their attorneys.

    "They want it served in a way that is a fair and impartial investigation into what happened to their son their child to their little boy he's only 13," said Chanda Brown.


    The robbery victim told a 911 dispatcher he was held up at gunpoint.

    Several witnesses spoke of gunfire after calling police about the robbery.

    "The officer's shooting they're shooting we don't know if the people got away we're scared," said one witness.
    Sean Walton says witness accounts differ from the police.

    "There are questions about whether Tyre was really involved in a robbery that's not a fact that's an allegation," said Walton.
    Nine-year Columbus police veteran officer Bryan Mason is on administrative leave after police say he shot King when King pulled a BB gun from his waistband.

    Chief Kim Jacobs revealed a picture of a replica of the gun during a news conference Thursday.

    "To present a picture of a gun that criminalizes Tyre that's a toy gun yes it looks similar but he's a child it's a toy gun that's not a death sentence," said Sean Walton.

    Brown says King's parents are trying to wrap their heads around it all.

    "They're shocked they are trying to cope with what happened to their son and according to all the accounts to the family this action is completely outside of the character of what they know about Tyre," said Brown.
    King's attorneys want the Justice Department to come in and provide transparency.

    "We know that in the past 18 years of our county prosecutor presenting these cases to a grand jury there has not been one police officer indicated for a police involved lethal shooting," said Walton.
    The same two attorneys say they are investigating and representing 10 victims of Columbus police involved shootings most of the last two years.

    At some point, the King case is expected to be presented to a grand jury.


  • stringer bell
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    http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/09/15/tyre-king-vigil.html
    Vigil held for teen shot by police

    More than 150 people gathered for a candlelight vigil on the Near East Side tonight, near where Tyre King, a 13-year-old robbery suspect, was fatally shot by a Columbus police officer on Wednesday.

    The vigil, organized by the People’s Justice Project, lasted more than three hours. The crowd included several of King’s family members and his football teammates from the Columbus Day Stars.

    King’s sister, 13-year-old Marshay Caldwell, was the only family member who spoke.

    “My eyes are still swollen and my head still hurts,” Caldwell said, holding back tears. “He’s really not coming back.

    She recalled stories of the pair bickering, like most teen siblings do. Then she hung her head and couldn’t hold back the tears any longer.

    “He didn’t deserve to die.”


    The group prayed and lighted candles; a saxophone player offered up "Amazing Grace"; and King's football team shared their pledge as they all gathered in the Olde Towne East neighborhood where King was shot shortly after 7:30 p.m. Wednesday. Police say that he and others had robbed a man at gunpoint of $10 before they ran away. He was shot, police say, while being chased in an alley and removing a gun from his waistband. The gun turned out to be a BB gun.

    Micheal Bell, founder of the Columbus Day Stars, said his 17-year-old football program focuses on mentoring children as much as the sport itself. King, a first-year player with an infectious smile, joined the team and was working hard to improve, Bell said.

    The coach said he can’t stop wondering whether he could have done anything to help King.

    “It’s so disturbing that one bad decision ended his life,” Bell said

    Several people spoke during the vigil. One talked about the importance of parents holding their children accountable. Another questioned police training and reminded people that it's important to vote for elected officials who best represent them. More than one person said the community needs to come together to nurture children, keep them in school and offer positive role models for them.

    Other speakers at tonight’s vigil included Adrienne Hood, the mother of Henry Green, who was fatally shot by two Columbus officers in June; Amber Evans, a lead organizer with the People’s Justice Program; and the Rev. Susan Smith, who led a prayer.

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  • stringer bell
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    http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/09/15/13-year-old-shooting-update.html
    Calls for calm follow police shooting of 13-year-old

    Columbus now joins other cities in facing the shock, sadness and confusion that come with police fatally shooting a black teenager.

    The shooting had Mayor Andrew J. Ginther and Police Chief Kim Jacobs pleading for patience and calm Thursday in the wake of the shooting death of 13-year-old Tyre King, a suspect in a robbery.

    King, who was an eighth-grader at Linden-McKinley STEM Academy, was shot Wednesday night by Officer Bryan Mason, a nine-year veteran of the Police Division who has shot and killed in the line of duty before.

    Police said King had removed a gun from his waistband when Mason, who was chasing him, fired. It’s unclear whether the teen pointed what turned out to be a BB gun at anyone or even raised it.

    “We ought to be shocked and angry as a community,” said Ginther, who became emotional during a news conference at City Hall on Thursday morning. “In the safest big city in America, we have a 13-year-old dead in our city. That is unacceptable.”

    King, who lived with his grandmother near the Brittany Hills neighborhood on the Northeast Side, was with several teens in the area of S. 18th Avenue and Capital Street in the Olde Towne East area Wednesday night.

    At 7:42 p.m., police responded to a 911 call saying that a man who lived near Franklin Park had been robbed of $10 by armed teens who had then fled in a black car. The victim also was on the phone call and described one of the suspects as carrying a Ruger pistol.

    “I'm not going to mess with it over $10,” the victim told a 911 dispatcher.

    The woman who placed the 911 call on behalf of the robbery victim took the phone back and said there were seven or eight suspects. During the call, she can be heard pointing out suspects to officers who had arrived on the scene. Then, a minute or so later, she screams, "Oh! He's shooting them! Oh my ? ! They're shooting! Oh my ? !"

    King and his friend, 19-year-old Demetrius Braxton, were part of the group and ran away together, Braxton said Thursday night after returning to the scene.

    King wanted to rob someone for money, said Braxton, who was with King when he was shot.

    He said King's BB gun looked real and had a laser sight under the gun barrel.

    “The cops said to get down," Braxton said. "We got down, but my friend got up and ran ... (and) when he ran, the cops shot him.”

    Chris Naderer lives nearby on Hoffman Avenue and said he was in his house when he heard someone knock down a gate and part of his fence in his backyard. He said he looked outside and saw a police officer chasing two young men into an alley behind his home. Then he heard three to five gunshots.

    King, who had no criminal history, was pronounced dead at Nationwide Children’s Hospital at 8:22 p.m.

    Police confirmed much of Braxton’s story and said that detectives interviewed him until about 1 a.m. Thursday. He was released pending further investigation.

    Attorney Sean Walton, representing King's family, said: "The family of Tyre King asks for support from their community as they seek answers in this tragic killing. Please do not rush to judgment.”

    During a candlelight vigil Thursday night at the site where King was shot, King’s sister, 13-year-old Marshay Caldwell, spoke to a crowd of about 150 people.

    “My eyes are still swollen and my head still hurts,” Caldwell said, holding back tears. “He’s really not coming back.”

    She recalled stories of the pair bickering, like most teen siblings do. Then she hung her head and couldn’t hold back the tears any longer.

    “He didn’t deserve to die.”

    The vigil, organized by the People’s Justice Project, lasted more than three hours. The crowd included several of King’s family members and his football teammates from the Columbus Day Stars.

    They prayed, a saxophone player offered up "Amazing Grace" and King's football team shared their pledge.

    Michael Bell, founder of the Columbus Day Stars, said his 17-year-old football program focuses on mentoring children. King, a first-year player with an infectious smile, joined the team and was working hard to improve, Bell said.

    The coach said he can’t stop wondering whether he could have done more to help King. The program didn't have enough kids to field a team for King's age group, so they had suspended practices.

    "He could have been at practice last night," Bell said Thursday. “It’s so disturbing that one bad decision ended his life."

    Many in the black community still are awaiting answers in the June police shooting death of Henry Green, 23. Green was shot in Linden by two plainclothes officers who said Green shot at them. Attorney Walton also represents the Green family.

    Ginther has spent a significant amount of time since Green's death trying to keep peace between City Hall and the black community. Staff members said they have had regular meetings with clergy members, neighborhood leaders and police.

    “The loss of a young person is particularly difficult,” Ginther said. "As a mayor and a father, the loss of a 13-year-old in the city of Columbus is troubling.”

    Jacobs, too, pleaded for calm while the shooting is investigated. “We want the right answers, not quick answers."

    As is standard procedure in such cases, Mason has been placed on leave.

    But Jacobs said the case is no routine event. "Officers at the scene were very disturbed about the fact that, here we are at the this time of the night, chasing armed 13-year-olds."

    In his nine years with the Police Division, Mason has been involved in several shootings.

    He shot and killed John E. Kaufman in December 2012 during a dispute between Kaufman and another man. Kaufman refused police orders to drop his gun and was pointing it at another man. Mason was cleared of any wrongdoing in that shooting.

    Mason also was involved in shootings in 2010 and 2013: On Labor Day 2010, he was one of three officers who fired at a man who had wounded two officers and shot up a neighborhood in the University District. And in 2013, Mason shot a man in the buttocks on Cleveland Avenue after the man pulled a gun during a traffic stop. Mason was cleared of any wrongdoing in those two shootings as well.

    Jason Pappas, president of Fraternal Order of Police Capital City Lodge No. 9, was at the shooting scene Wednesday night.

    “Officers do not have the luxury of knowing if it’s a real gun or not,” Pappas said. “ If you just comply with their lawful orders, everything will come out OK. That is the message that needs to be heard. You have to comply with lawful orders of a police officer.”

    Pappas said Mason is regarded as a “really, really good officer."

    Jacobs agreed. “One thing you need to know from me is I will not let an officer out on the street to perform their job if I don’t trust them to be capable of doing so,” she said.

    Jacobs said it will take time to complete the investigation and that Franklin County Prosecutor Ron O’Brien has been briefed on the shooting.

    The results of the investigation eventually will be presented to a grand jury.
  • ChillaDaKilla
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    Vellum wrote: »
    ? happens. There were a group of people that robbed someone earlier, they fit the description. Cops go to talk to them, they take off running, allegedly he pulls out his bb gun, gets got.

    Who cares. Clearly ? aint learning in America. Keep repeating the same cliche over and over. His age is irrelevant. Parents should be ashamed.

    ? yourself ?
  • bgoat
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    D. Morgan wrote: »
    aneed123 wrote: »
    I don't give a ? if it looked real. Who shoots a child with no ? given? Cops killing kids

    They don't view our black kids as children they see them as grown adults. What makes that worst is the fact they don't view black adults as humans so with that point of view this is the type of results we get.
    or Super Predators
  • D. Morgan
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    bgoat wrote: »
    D. Morgan wrote: »
    aneed123 wrote: »
    I don't give a ? if it looked real. Who shoots a child with no ? given? Cops killing kids

    They don't view our black kids as children they see them as grown adults. What makes that worst is the fact they don't view black adults as humans so with that point of view this is the type of results we get.
    or Super Predators

    How did I forget that ? !? 100% correct you are about that
  • A Talented One
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    People seem to be making much of the fact that King was 13 years old. Yet if the police version of events is true -- which is a big IF; I have already said that I need independent verification of what they say happened before I believe it -- then it would be hard to blame them for shooting him, and the fact that he was 13 becomes irrelevant, aside from the implications of fact that a 13 year would have been out there committing armed robberies.
  • iron man1
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    Why this dude ain't banned yet?