Who has handled rap beef the best in all of Hip Hop?
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Gillie the kid besides getting knocked out by Beans
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OtherCommon for sure.
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soul rattler wrote: »soul rattler wrote: »
Nobody knows exactly who or what killed Pac but he didn't handle his beefs. He acted like a little kid throwing a temper tantrum. He was very unprofessional. Teenagers may have been impressed by his antics but grown men think he was a fool.
Not true. It's known that the man who killed Pac is dead.
The idea that Pac died due to rap beef is a white media lie. The same lie that tried to get people to believe that there was actually an East vs West war. That was created and perpetuated by the media.
Pac. Died. Due. To. Gang. Violence.
@ the bolded. Link?
The fact remains that Pac didn't handle his beef like a G.
He made diss records. How corny is that? Somebody sets you up to get robbed and you go to prison. As soon as you get out rather than finding the person that set you up and handling your business, you go to a recording studio and make a diss record?!?!?
Imagine a movie like The Godfather, Scarface, Goodfellas or Casino. Imagine if after getting into a shootout one of the main characters goes to the recording studio and makes a diss record. How stupid would that look?
Then you go to Las Vegas and kick somebody when they're down?
Clearly 2Pac handled his beef the worst in the history of beefs. -
LL Cool Jsoul rattler wrote: »soul rattler wrote: »
Nobody knows exactly who or what killed Pac but he didn't handle his beefs. He acted like a little kid throwing a temper tantrum. He was very unprofessional. Teenagers may have been impressed by his antics but grown men think he was a fool.
Not true. It's known that the man who killed Pac is dead.
The idea that Pac died due to rap beef is a white media lie. The same lie that tried to get people to believe that there was actually an East vs West war. That was created and perpetuated by the media.
Pac. Died. Due. To. Gang. Violence.
@ the bolded. Link?
The fact remains that Pac didn't handle his beef like a G.
He made diss records. How corny is that? Somebody sets you up to get robbed and you go to prison. As soon as you get out rather than finding the person that set you up and handling your business, you go to a recording studio and make a diss record?!?!?
Imagine a movie like The Godfather, Scarface, Goodfellas or Casino. Imagine if after getting into a shootout one of the main characters goes to the recording studio and makes a diss record. How stupid would that look?
Then you go to Las Vegas and kick somebody when they're down?
Clearly 2Pac handled his beef the worst in the history of beefs.
You got the game twisted But here I will drop a gem real quick Pac went after hurting the pockets of those whom wronged him. Marinate on that a while... -
NasBlackAX410 wrote: »LL bodied Hella rappers in his day went at Kool moe dee, ice T, and hammer and I still feel the ripper strikes back is better then 2nd round KO his catalog is underrated as ? especially his diss tracks
LL is a legend but strictly dealing w bars....Canibus got the W
Truth be told, strictly bars, Moe Dee got em -
2Pacsoul rattler wrote: »soul rattler wrote: »
Nobody knows exactly who or what killed Pac but he didn't handle his beefs. He acted like a little kid throwing a temper tantrum. He was very unprofessional. Teenagers may have been impressed by his antics but grown men think he was a fool.
Not true. It's known that the man who killed Pac is dead.
The idea that Pac died due to rap beef is a white media lie. The same lie that tried to get people to believe that there was actually an East vs West war. That was created and perpetuated by the media.
Pac. Died. Due. To. Gang. Violence.
@ the bolded. Link?
The fact remains that Pac didn't handle his beef like a G.
He made diss records. How corny is that? Somebody sets you up to get robbed and you go to prison. As soon as you get out rather than finding the person that set you up and handling your business, you go to a recording studio and make a diss record?!?!?
Imagine a movie like The Godfather, Scarface, Goodfellas or Casino. Imagine if after getting into a shootout one of the main characters goes to the recording studio and makes a diss record. How stupid would that look?
Then you go to Las Vegas and kick somebody when they're down?
Clearly 2Pac handled his beef the worst in the history of beefs.
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Elzo69Renaissance wrote: »Gillie the kid besides getting knocked out by Beans
U know what now that u mentioned it I was wondering why Gillie who a big mouth a say ? about beans getting slumped but forgot all about beans puttin the beats on him -
50 CentNo question, although he may of handled it wrong in later years, overall as well has his skill, beef imo actually made 50cent a star and made him, Shady, Interscope and Aftermath MILLIONS upon millions...
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Gamewater ur seeds wrote: »No question, although he may of handled it wrong in later years, overall as well has his skill, beef imo actually made 50cent a star and made him, Shady, Interscope and Aftermath MILLIONS upon millions...
beef did not make 50 millions , he became hot on the underground because he got shot and had HOT mixtapes...then after that he got rich because of IN DA CLUB and Eminem and Dr Dre cosigns...and that Vitamin water deal made him really rich
he lost all his battles except the ja rule one -
natural born sinners wrote: »Pax was too emotional n not very thought out when it came to his beefs...seemed too impulsive instead of calculated..
This is a good thread. I voted 50 bc he basically made a career n multi million $$ label off rap beefs that started with "how to rob" n the murder Inc. ?
Game comes second due to his diss tracks n knocking ? out..dude never seems to take a loss on the mic beefing
He did when he stuck his nose in tyga beef -
NasSo basically it's between Nas, LL and Wu
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Listencloser wrote: »So basically it's between Nas, LL and Wu
I'd say LL.
He took a beating from a lot of people but at the end of the day he came out like a champ. -
50 CentEther44mag wrote: »water ur seeds wrote: »No question, although he may of handled it wrong in later years, overall as well has his skill, beef imo actually made 50cent a star and made him, Shady, Interscope and Aftermath MILLIONS upon millions...
beef did not make 50 millions , he became hot on the underground because he got shot and had HOT mixtapes...then after that he got rich because of IN DA CLUB and Eminem and Dr Dre cosigns...and that Vitamin water deal made him really rich
he lost all his battles except the ja rule one
IMO opinion... The Ja Rule beef made him millions AND he was beefing with him before ’In Da Club’/GRODT, he had ‘Life’s on the Line’ for instance on 'Guess Whos Back' and underground mixtapes… And when he went mainstream and kept the beef going it helped keep his name around, caused mainstream media pandemonium etc…
AND away from Ja Rule, 'How To Rob' was BEFORE he got shot which one of his biggest and also an original underground tune at that, it set a blueprint, although I thought it was partly comical it ? people off and caused big, well known rappers to release beef records or mention his name in mainstream tunes that got him even more well known before he was a commercial success, so in away he did come in the game beefing kicking up a storm...
Regardless if he lost his other beefs or not, he became who he is imo because of the way he kicked the door and put the game in a chokehold and because of this I believe other rappers have tried coming in the game beefing because of the way 50 in a way set the blueprint... -
T.I. .....has he ever really lost a beef
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Gamewater ur seeds wrote: »Ether44mag wrote: »water ur seeds wrote: »No question, although he may of handled it wrong in later years, overall as well has his skill, beef imo actually made 50cent a star and made him, Shady, Interscope and Aftermath MILLIONS upon millions...
beef did not make 50 millions , he became hot on the underground because he got shot and had HOT mixtapes...then after that he got rich because of IN DA CLUB and Eminem and Dr Dre cosigns...and that Vitamin water deal made him really rich
he lost all his battles except the ja rule one
IMO opinion... The Ja Rule beef made him millions AND he was beefing with him before ’In Da Club’/GRODT, he had ‘Life’s on the Line’ for instance on 'Guess Whos Back' and underground mixtapes… And when he went mainstream and kept the beef going it helped keep his name around, caused mainstream media pandemonium etc…
AND away from Ja Rule, 'How To Rob' was BEFORE he got shot which one of his biggest and also an original underground tune at that, it set a blueprint, although I thought it was partly comical it ? people off and caused big, well known rappers to release beef records or mention his name in mainstream tunes that got him even more well known before he was a commercial success, so in away he did come in the game beefing kicking up a storm...
Regardless if he lost his other beefs or not, he became who he is imo because of the way he kicked the door and put the game in a chokehold and because of this I believe other rappers have tried coming in the game beefing because of the way 50 in a way set the blueprint...
he was broke in the "how to rob days" that made him know in the rap game ,he was broke when he was about to release power of the dollar ,he was broke when he got shot .Yes beef has always been his M.O and he is known for beefin ,but thats what got him BLACKBALLED....Eminem AND DRE and the INTERSCOPE machine made him millions just like anybody else who got rich off rap ,not his beefs .Game made Him LOSE MILLIONS ,he killed the G unit name with hi G-unot promotion .
i'll repeat his beef with Ja rule got him Blackballed ! HIS MIXTAPE GAME is the reason he got famous in the undergroud because he changed the way people did mixtapes ,he did it like albums by taking other people's song and making real songs with it instead of just spitting. IN DA CLUB got him rich and its not a beef song ,then P.I.M.P and 21 questions...no beef songs there ,just commercial songs that were well promoted
how to rob was how he got knonw in the underground ,then his mixtape game got him hot ,commercial hits with dre and eminem co-signs made him millions along with his story of getting shot 9 times that made him appealing
i'll give you a point if you say that getting shot 9 times is a result of his beefs and that helped his promotion,because yeah there is a correlation ,a big one ,but beefin in music did not make him millions, if he did not get signed by dre and eminem that woulda been his downfall
the king of beefs is The Game ,he never lost a beef and beefed before every album lol 50 stopped using it as a stratey after the kanye fiasco lol well except for his liquor beefin with Diddy
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50 CentEther44mag wrote: »water ur seeds wrote: »Ether44mag wrote: »water ur seeds wrote: »No question, although he may of handled it wrong in later years, overall as well has his skill, beef imo actually made 50cent a star and made him, Shady, Interscope and Aftermath MILLIONS upon millions...
beef did not make 50 millions , he became hot on the underground because he got shot and had HOT mixtapes...then after that he got rich because of IN DA CLUB and Eminem and Dr Dre cosigns...and that Vitamin water deal made him really rich
he lost all his battles except the ja rule one
IMO opinion... The Ja Rule beef made him millions AND he was beefing with him before ’In Da Club’/GRODT, he had ‘Life’s on the Line’ for instance on 'Guess Whos Back' and underground mixtapes… And when he went mainstream and kept the beef going it helped keep his name around, caused mainstream media pandemonium etc…
AND away from Ja Rule, 'How To Rob' was BEFORE he got shot which one of his biggest and also an original underground tune at that, it set a blueprint, although I thought it was partly comical it ? people off and caused big, well known rappers to release beef records or mention his name in mainstream tunes that got him even more well known before he was a commercial success, so in away he did come in the game beefing kicking up a storm...
Regardless if he lost his other beefs or not, he became who he is imo because of the way he kicked the door and put the game in a chokehold and because of this I believe other rappers have tried coming in the game beefing because of the way 50 in a way set the blueprint...
he was broke in the "how to rob days" that made him know in the rap game ,he was broke when he was about to release power of the dollar ,he was broke when he got shot .Yes beef has always been his M.O and he is known for beefin ,but thats what got him BLACKBALLED....Eminem AND DRE and the INTERSCOPE machine made him millions just like anybody else who got rich off rap ,not his beefs .Game made Him LOSE MILLIONS ,he killed the G unit name with hi G-unot promotion .
i'll repeat his beef with Ja rule got him Blackballed ! HIS MIXTAPE GAME is the reason he got famous in the undergroud because he changed the way people did mixtapes ,he did it like albums by taking other people's song and making real songs with it instead of just spitting. IN DA CLUB got him rich and its not a beef song ,then P.I.M.P and 21 questions...no beef songs there ,just commercial songs that were well promoted
how to rob was how he got knonw in the underground ,then his mixtape game got him hot ,commercial hits with dre and eminem co-signs made him millions along with his story of getting shot 9 times that made him appealing
i'll give you a point if you say that getting shot 9 times is a result of his beefs and that helped his promotion,because yeah there is a correlation ,a big one ,but beefin in music did not make him millions, if he did not get signed by dre and eminem that woulda been his downfall
the king of beefs is The Game ,he never lost a beef and beefed before every album lol 50 stopped using it as a stratey after the kanye fiasco lol well except for his liquor beefin with Diddy
Thats your view, but not mine... I agree with parts, yes Interscope made him a star and he had commerical songs like 'In Da Club' etc, but it all stems from his coming in the game beefing to get everyones attention...
Like I said, 'How To Rob' got mainstream rappers attention, a mixtape rapper or a local rapper, pre internet got stars like Wu, Pun and Jay Z saying his name... That worked as it was a kinda new way to get in the game, and imo became a kind of blueprint for rappers after...
The dissing didnt just get him blackballed, Columbia were behind his album he had songs with Nas and other QB rappers etc and Destiny's Child even...
The main reason (i heard from numerous people) Columbia dropped him or wouldnt push him was because he got shot '9 times' and it scared them off and after that no label would drop his album or give him a budget... No doubt rappers were still trying to get him blocked, but it didnt work in the end as like you said Interscope helped made him a star...
That is besides the point though, he came in the game dissing and used it as a springboard... He got the whole industry talking, like I said PRE INTERNET, he had multi plat rappers and execs like who the fck is this dude... So like I mentioned regardless if rappers like Ja tried to block that because at the end of the day it didnt work...
But you're right though that Interscope and Em made him a star, but imo the beefing was the catalyst and springboard for that... So his coming in the game dissing everyone is the biggest win of all time IMO, regardless of if he lost the rest of his beefs/battles or not, imo the start of his career and the making of his career stems from beefing and made him MILLIONS and became a blueprint for rappers down the line, like Game for example...
It was a gamble going all out, because if a major label never signed him and gave him the backing of machine behind him he could of gone bust, but he went all in with the gamble and it worked... -
Gamewater ur seeds wrote: »Ether44mag wrote: »water ur seeds wrote: »Ether44mag wrote: »water ur seeds wrote: »No question, although he may of handled it wrong in later years, overall as well has his skill, beef imo actually made 50cent a star and made him, Shady, Interscope and Aftermath MILLIONS upon millions...
beef did not make 50 millions , he became hot on the underground because he got shot and had HOT mixtapes...then after that he got rich because of IN DA CLUB and Eminem and Dr Dre cosigns...and that Vitamin water deal made him really rich
he lost all his battles except the ja rule one
IMO opinion... The Ja Rule beef made him millions AND he was beefing with him before ’In Da Club’/GRODT, he had ‘Life’s on the Line’ for instance on 'Guess Whos Back' and underground mixtapes… And when he went mainstream and kept the beef going it helped keep his name around, caused mainstream media pandemonium etc…
AND away from Ja Rule, 'How To Rob' was BEFORE he got shot which one of his biggest and also an original underground tune at that, it set a blueprint, although I thought it was partly comical it ? people off and caused big, well known rappers to release beef records or mention his name in mainstream tunes that got him even more well known before he was a commercial success, so in away he did come in the game beefing kicking up a storm...
Regardless if he lost his other beefs or not, he became who he is imo because of the way he kicked the door and put the game in a chokehold and because of this I believe other rappers have tried coming in the game beefing because of the way 50 in a way set the blueprint...
he was broke in the "how to rob days" that made him know in the rap game ,he was broke when he was about to release power of the dollar ,he was broke when he got shot .Yes beef has always been his M.O and he is known for beefin ,but thats what got him BLACKBALLED....Eminem AND DRE and the INTERSCOPE machine made him millions just like anybody else who got rich off rap ,not his beefs .Game made Him LOSE MILLIONS ,he killed the G unit name with hi G-unot promotion .
i'll repeat his beef with Ja rule got him Blackballed ! HIS MIXTAPE GAME is the reason he got famous in the undergroud because he changed the way people did mixtapes ,he did it like albums by taking other people's song and making real songs with it instead of just spitting. IN DA CLUB got him rich and its not a beef song ,then P.I.M.P and 21 questions...no beef songs there ,just commercial songs that were well promoted
how to rob was how he got knonw in the underground ,then his mixtape game got him hot ,commercial hits with dre and eminem co-signs made him millions along with his story of getting shot 9 times that made him appealing
i'll give you a point if you say that getting shot 9 times is a result of his beefs and that helped his promotion,because yeah there is a correlation ,a big one ,but beefin in music did not make him millions, if he did not get signed by dre and eminem that woulda been his downfall
the king of beefs is The Game ,he never lost a beef and beefed before every album lol 50 stopped using it as a stratey after the kanye fiasco lol well except for his liquor beefin with Diddy
Thats your view, but not mine... I agree with parts, yes Interscope made him a star and he had commerical songs like 'In Da Club' etc, but it all stems from his coming in the game beefing to get everyones attention...
Like I said, 'How To Rob' got mainstream rappers attention, a mixtape rapper or a local rapper, pre internet got stars like Wu, Pun and Jay Z saying his name... That worked as it was a kinda new way to get in the game, and imo became a kind of blueprint for rappers after...
The dissing didnt just get him blackballed, Columbia were behind his album he had songs with Nas and other QB rappers etc and Destiny's Child even...
The main reason (i heard from numerous people) Columbia dropped him or wouldnt push him was because he got shot '9 times' and it scared them off and after that no label would drop his album or give him a budget... No doubt rappers were still trying to get him blocked, but it didnt work in the end as like you said Interscope helped made him a star...
That is besides the point though, he came in the game dissing and used it as a springboard... He got the whole industry talking, like I said PRE INTERNET, he had multi plat rappers and execs like who the fck is this dude... So like I mentioned regardless if rappers like Ja tried to block that because at the end of the day it didnt work...
But you're right though that Interscope and Em made him a star, but imo the beefing was the catalyst and springboard for that... So his coming in the game dissing everyone is the biggest win of all time IMO, regardless of if he lost the rest of his beefs/battles or not, imo the start of his career and the making of his career stems from beefing and made him MILLIONS and became a blueprint for rappers down the line, like Game for example...
It was a gamble going all out, because if a major label never signed him and gave him the backing of machine behind him he could of gone bust, but he went all in with the gamble and it worked...
well ok we agree on most points ,yes he became known because of beef but I dont think thats what made him MILLIONS , his hit songs and vitamin water made him rich imo -
ChillaDaKilla wrote: »T.I. .....has he ever really lost a beef
Luda -
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GameBars and more bars
He's undefeated in rap beef -
Preach2Teach wrote: »Jay for sure, people said he cried on hot 97 after ether came out and to me that shows Jay is the bigger man, he does not need to hide his emotions, this makes him the greatest.
what are you talking about ? -
LL Cool JI like how LL go about his biz even tho I think Canibus got in his ass. ? blacked out over a mic tatoo! Bis told him he meant no disrespect and he looks up to him and the ? still got in war mode! Lol
These girl dressing rappers these days don't have enough pride to catch those kinda feelings and that's what's wrong wit rap now. -
LL Cool Jnatural born sinners wrote: »Pax was too emotional n not very thought out when it came to his beefs...seemed too impulsive instead of calculated..
This is a good thread. I voted 50 bc he basically made a career n multi million $$ label off rap beefs that started with "how to rob" n the murder Inc. ?
Game comes second due to his diss tracks n knocking ? out..dude never seems to take a loss on the mic beefing
Yeah Game got a good record. Only L you may can say he took was when Joe Budden spit back at G Unit but I haven't seen him take an L since his rookie year and he's beefed alot wit alotta ? since then. -
LL Cool Jsupergangster wrote: »Nas And Prodigy
WHAT!!!!!
? Prodigy lost just about every battle he got evolved in!!
