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The Lonious Monk wrote: »
14 people in a Cuyahoga county grand jury didn't care when 12 year old Tamir Rice was murdered by the Cleveland PD. If the racial composition of that grand jury matched the racial composition of the county that means that 2/3 of the people on that jury were white and not enough of them gave a ? about that child's death to demand a trial.
I'm not going to say that ALL white people could careless about black children being murdered but its clear that at least 2/3 of white people in the Cuyahoga County grand jury pool don't give a ? . I'd lying if I said idgaf about a 5 year old white child being murdered but unfortunately I understand why the next brother could feel that way.
Here is a pretty good article on the case:
https://www.gq.com/story/tamir-rice-story
For the many on here that don't want to read, what happened is basically that the DA didn't want to indict the cops, so instead of actually doing what prosecutors are supposed to do, he basically acted as the defense for the cops during the Grand Jury trial. He set it all up so that the cops looked like they had no choice but to shoot. That's what both the Tamir's family and the witnesses they hired got from the whole event.
So we can all argue that the jurors should have been able to see through the ? and still indict, but to imply that the sole reason they didn't indict those cops was because they didn't care about Rice dying is a misrepresentation. They were led in the direction the DA wanted them to go and voted that way. That's why I keep saying its the institutions in place and not the average everyday white person that bears most of the responsibility for the ? we go through.
The bolded undercut whatever argument it was that you were trying to make. And if it's that obvious to see what the DA was doing the question must be asked why did he feel so comfortable doing it in the first place? People don't seem to realize that district attorney is an ELECTED office. Tim Mcgintity only got 30% of the black vote but he still won over 50% of the white vote. His whole re-election campaign strategy was based on A ) black ppl not voting and B ) the overwhelming majority of white people in Cuyahoga County not giving a ? about the Tamir Rice case. That's why he felt so comfortable doing what he did. Even though he lost the election 51% of white people proved they didn't give a ? about Tamir's murder by voting for him.
The point is you can't absolve the majority of white people for their racist attitudes and behaviors by blaming "institutions". At the end of the day in a democratic society the voters are the only institution that matters. The majority of white voters still voted for Mcginity even after seeing the ? he pulled on Tamir Rice. The majority of voters in Cuyahoga County are white and all jury members come from the voter rolls. Racism, bigotry and hatred matters in a majority rules democratic society. The voters determine who control these institutions and if you have at least 50.1% of voters who are racist you end up with Tamir Rice type situations.
The bold didn't undercut anything. Juries make bad decisions all the time, not just about racial ? . Attorneys get paid a lot of money to get juries to vote the way they want them too. That's how the system works. People on the outside always have ? to say about jury decisions, but it's a little different when you're given a set of rules, sequestered, inundated with a bunch of ? that you're unsure about, and expected to make a decision that could seriously affect many people. And you missed the point I was making. Again, it's not that all those people were indifferent to Rice's death (some likely were), it's more that most of them didn't see it as murder. They believed the cops were justified because that's what everyone was telling them was the case. Pretty much the only people speaking against it was the family. Everyone else in that area with any insight into the case said it was an unfortunate tragedy.
And I'm not absolving anyone of anything. Everyone has bigoted opinions, and white bigotry is more dangerous than most. However, you can believe that without oversimplifying and misrepresenting ? . Especially when doing that is not constructive. Writing the Rice jury off as racist and leaving it there accomplishes nothing. Digging in deep and finding that DA didn't want to convict the cops because he depended on them and didn't want to hurt his relationship with them is constructive. Because now you know that conflict of interest is at the heart of these cases and you can push for new policy such as making it mandatory that independent prosecutors from outside of the area handle every cop case.
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »White guy on cnn said its only terrorism if theyre doing it for political or social reasons.
https://youtu.be/fYcQu0h8aqk
But the dictionary disagrees
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2.the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
I didn't watch the video, so I'm not sure how far they got into it. But the legal definition as far as how terrorism charges go is:The U.S. Code of Federal Regulations defines terrorism as "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives
So the motivations do have to be political or social in nature in order for a charge of terrorism to be declared.
"Force of violence against a civilian population for social objective"
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ted-cruz-gun-control-sutherland-springsCruz On Gun Control After TX Shooting: ‘We Don’t Need Politics Right Now’ – Talking Points Memo
Ted Cruz chided a reporter who asked Monday whether the gun massacre in Sutherland Springs, Texas, that left 26 parishioners dead Sunday necessitated stricter gun control.
“Do we need gun control now, sir?” a reporter asked Cruz during a press briefing.
“You know, it is an unfortunate thing that the immediate place the media goes after any tragedy, after any murder is politicizing it,” Cruz said. “We don’t need politics right now.”
He continued: “I would note in New York we saw a terror attack just this week with a truck. Evil is evil is evil, and will use the weaponry that is available.”
Cruz celebrated one person who responded the shooting by retrieving his own gun and shooting at the alleged murderer, Devin Kelly, until Kelly fled the scene.
“We need to be celebrating that bravery and courage,” he said.
Earlier Monday, White House adviser Kellyanne Conway criticized people calling for gun control after the massacre, saying they saw “politics and Trump derangement in every single thing they do.” -
Crazy that 8 family members of the same family died. 3 generations killed in seconds.
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »
14 people in a Cuyahoga county grand jury didn't care when 12 year old Tamir Rice was murdered by the Cleveland PD. If the racial composition of that grand jury matched the racial composition of the county that means that 2/3 of the people on that jury were white and not enough of them gave a ? about that child's death to demand a trial.
I'm not going to say that ALL white people could careless about black children being murdered but its clear that at least 2/3 of white people in the Cuyahoga County grand jury pool don't give a ? . I'd lying if I said idgaf about a 5 year old white child being murdered but unfortunately I understand why the next brother could feel that way.
Here is a pretty good article on the case:
https://www.gq.com/story/tamir-rice-story
For the many on here that don't want to read, what happened is basically that the DA didn't want to indict the cops, so instead of actually doing what prosecutors are supposed to do, he basically acted as the defense for the cops during the Grand Jury trial. He set it all up so that the cops looked like they had no choice but to shoot. That's what both the Tamir's family and the witnesses they hired got from the whole event.
So we can all argue that the jurors should have been able to see through the ? and still indict, but to imply that the sole reason they didn't indict those cops was because they didn't care about Rice dying is a misrepresentation. They were led in the direction the DA wanted them to go and voted that way. That's why I keep saying its the institutions in place and not the average everyday white person that bears most of the responsibility for the ? we go through.
The bolded undercut whatever argument it was that you were trying to make. And if it's that obvious to see what the DA was doing the question must be asked why did he feel so comfortable doing it in the first place? People don't seem to realize that district attorney is an ELECTED office. Tim Mcgintity only got 30% of the black vote but he still won over 50% of the white vote. His whole re-election campaign strategy was based on A ) black ppl not voting and B ) the overwhelming majority of white people in Cuyahoga County not giving a ? about the Tamir Rice case. That's why he felt so comfortable doing what he did. Even though he lost the election 51% of white people proved they didn't give a ? about Tamir's murder by voting for him.
The point is you can't absolve the majority of white people for their racist attitudes and behaviors by blaming "institutions". At the end of the day in a democratic society the voters are the only institution that matters. The majority of white voters still voted for Mcginity even after seeing the ? he pulled on Tamir Rice. The majority of voters in Cuyahoga County are white and all jury members come from the voter rolls. Racism, bigotry and hatred matters in a majority rules democratic society. The voters determine who control these institutions and if you have at least 50.1% of voters who are racist you end up with Tamir Rice type situations.
The bold didn't undercut anything. Juries make bad decisions all the time, not just about racial ? . Attorneys get paid a lot of money to get juries to vote the way they want them too. That's how the system works. People on the outside always have ? to say about jury decisions, but it's a little different when you're given a set of rules, sequestered, inundated with a bunch of ? that you're unsure about, and expected to make a decision that could seriously affect many people. And you missed the point I was making. Again, it's not that all those people were indifferent to Rice's death (some likely were), it's more that most of them didn't see it as murder. They believed the cops were justified because that's what everyone was telling them was the case. Pretty much the only people speaking against it was the family. Everyone else in that area with any insight into the case said it was an unfortunate tragedy.
And I'm not absolving anyone of anything. Everyone has bigoted opinions, and white bigotry is more dangerous than most. However, you can believe that without oversimplifying and misrepresenting ? . Especially when doing that is not constructive. Writing the Rice jury off as racist and leaving it there accomplishes nothing. Digging in deep and finding that DA didn't want to convict the cops because he depended on them and didn't want to hurt his relationship with them is constructive. Because now you know that conflict of interest is at the heart of these cases and you can push for new policy such as making it mandatory that independent prosecutors from outside of the area handle every cop case.
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Sound like the Air Force should pay major settlements to the victims famlies
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Hold up! Dude killed all those ppl cuz he wanted to ? his gfs mother?!
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I wonder what U-? thinks of this tax reform bill and N koreas nuclear capability -
Sound like the Air Force should pay major settlements to the victims famlies
Probably should, but the government is immune from liability in situations like this. -
Crazy that 8 family members of the same family died. 3 generations killed in seconds.
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Rubato Garcia wrote: »
Watched this documentary about the NRA the other day essentially ? at gun shows don't give a ? as long as u have an iD -
Hold up! Dude killed all those ppl cuz he wanted to ? his gfs mother?!
WTF
Cracka logic. Second mass shooting under Trump's regime in less than 4 months -
Elzo69Renaissance wrote: »Rubato Garcia wrote: »
Watched this documentary about the NRA the other day essentially ? at gun shows don't give a ? as long as u have an iD
Yup. My uncle had schizophrenia and he bought guns at shows. He killed himself earlier this year with one of those guns and previously threatened to ? other people. What is the point of gun laws when people are selling them second hand and at gun shows? -
Rubato Garcia wrote: »
First time I went to the shooting range I was amazed at how easy that ? was.
AR-15, Desert Eagle .50, Ruger 18008, Mossberg 590 etc all that ? was on the wall for use. You don't need any prior training, knowledge nothing. You have to watch a 5min video and that's it. A beginner has the same access as an expert.
It's harder to get a driver's license in America than it is to get a gun in your hand. -
Breezy_Kilroy wrote: »Rubato Garcia wrote: »
First time I went to the shooting range I was amazed at how easy that ? was.
AR-15, Desert Eagle .50, Ruger 18008, Mossberg 590 etc all that ? was on the wall for use. You don't need any prior training, knowledge nothing. You have to watch a 5min video and that's it. A beginner has the same access as an expert.
It's harder to get a driver's license in America than it is to get a gun in your hand.
Same here. I was just going to let off with a glock, nothing crucial. Dude at the shop was basically trying to get me to shoot all the other ? . Like you sure you don't want this sawed off shot gun or this AR-15? How about two S&W's at the same time like they do in the movies? -
Lol women on the news saying stuff like this doesn't happen here usually this stuff happens in New York
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Black people across America all shared the same ? expressions after hearing white responses to this tragedy.
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? that cac. But we gott be carfeful call every murderer a terrorists .
Because y’all know they gon drop terrorist charges anything black man commits murder or do something bad. They gon call it a terrorizing act even if it’s not murder
https://youtu.be/9WIqZI6v8CY
