HHDX: Why Haven't Hip Hop Mention Will Smith Aka The Fresh Prince As The GOAT?
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water ur seeds wrote: »IMO Fresh Prince had the GOAT DJ which helped haha... He could rhyme, be funny and tell stories and then he became 'Will Smith' his first two albums were dope, especially BWS, when I was a kid I used to rinse that album...
Cosign about Jazzy Jeff
Actually, their first two albums were legit. Their first album, Rock The House came out at a time where there weren't many rap albums at the time, so by default the college DJs played the hell out of it.
The second album, He's The DJ I'm The Rapper came out in the spring of 88. There was a lot of competition that summer but Fresh Prince & Jazzy Jeff had their own lane by that point. The were the Parent's Just Don't Understand and Nightmare on My Street, both novelty comedy songs at a time when Public Enemy and Stetsasonic were getting political, NWA and 2 Live Crew were getting censored and catching flack for their lyrics. Rakim, Kane and KRS were raising the bar for lyricism and groups like EPMD, The Jungle Brothers and De La Soul were raising the bar for sampling.
So while all that was going on, Fresh Prince & Jazzy Jeff had their own lane, thats why they worked. They didn't get political and they didn't curse on their records.
Anyway, I'd recommend listening to their first two albums. I'd give the first album 4/5 and the second album 3.5/5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHt_xoaSTXM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVApcHyWAaY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h28LERq5fY
Im a massive fan of them breda, I got their whole catalog haha... Like you basically said they were like a different genre of hip hop, I like listening to all different kinds of hip hop, be it fun, political, conscious, street even ignorant at times, but whatever the case I always hold Jazzy Jeff as the GOAT DJ...
People clown Will at times, but I think he could as Fresh Prince rap with *almost* the best of them, if I remember correctly he used to battle rap coming up around Philly, and when I think of Philly hip hop in the 80s and 90s I think of tough lyrics but also even tougher DJ's...
He may of had help with writing as Will Smith but regardless he also had a butter flow, he also wrote some great stuff as Fresh Prince... -
I still think Nas helped write for Will Smith, I think they were both on Columbia records at the same time, I also think Will had a Nas 'Esco' flow at times and Will actucally said Nas's name 'From civilians, to stars, they wanna know, who we are, it's me, big Will, Nas Escobar...'...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8Gvst2GKHQ
I real dope MC was on Combat Jack show once (i cant remember who/what episode) maybe Consequence??? And Im sure they said something they were suppose to be helping write for Will and Mos Def, Talib or Black Thought or some other conscious rappers was suppose to be or were helping write with Will when he got there... Or maybe I am remembering completely wrong lol -
water ur seeds wrote: »I still think Nas helped write for Will Smith, I think they were both on Columbia records at the same time, I also think Will had a Nas 'Esco' flow at times and Will actucally said Nas's name 'From civilians, to stars, they wanna know, who we are, it's me, big Will, Nas Escobar...'...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8Gvst2GKHQ
I real dope MC was on Combat Jack show once (i cant remember who/what episode) maybe Consequence??? And Im sure they said something they were suppose to be helping write for Will and Mos Def, Talib or Black Thought or some other conscious rappers was suppose to be or were helping write with Will when he got there... Or maybe I am remembering completely wrong lol
That Big Willie Style album is at 9X Platinum.
I wonder what it would take for this album to sell another million to be diamond status? -
Beanie Sigel is the best rapper to ever come out of Philly anyway.
? where is the ? Nosign button when you really need it.
Beans is no slouch but Black Thought >>> Beans..........easy -
And Will's tv/movies >>> his music. Summertime and Parents Just Don't Understand are his musical highlights.
? Jiggy With it and Miami. -
And Will's tv/movies >>> his music. Summertime and Parents Just Don't Understand are his musical highlights.
? Jiggy With it and Miami.
@ the bolded
Are you sure that Parent's Just Don't Understand are his musical highlights?
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This is Will Smith we're talking about. That joint isn't even something that I would consider to be dope, but at least it was humorous. I liked that ? better than that commercially corny ass Jiggy and Miami bs. -
This is Will Smith we're talking about. That joint isn't even something that I would consider to be dope, but at least it was humorous. I liked that ? better than that commercially corny ass Jiggy and Miami bs.
You have no idea what you're talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqEpG67pFfwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h28LERq5fYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHt_xoaSTXM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH61J5fmk-I
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Nah......You put em both on a track i'm going to bet beans will have the better performance 7 times out of 10. He was just coming into his own as an artist on the B coming, then his ship wrecked. But as a talent, Beans is better than Black Thought. -
So we actin like broadstreet bully beans ain’t more talented than black thought? ? has the charisma of a Toyota Corolla.
Black thought is way better lyrically than Beans. -
genocidecutter wrote: »
Canibus is better lyrically than beans, that don’t mean he better than beans.
Lots of ? were better lyrically than Big. Big was better than 99% of em.... why? There’s more to it than just the words on the paper fam. -
water ur seeds wrote: »I still think Nas helped write for Will Smith, I think they were both on Columbia records at the same time, I also think Will had a Nas 'Esco' flow at times and Will actucally said Nas's name 'From civilians, to stars, they wanna know, who we are, it's me, big Will, Nas Escobar...'...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8Gvst2GKHQ
I real dope MC was on Combat Jack show once (i cant remember who/what episode) maybe Consequence??? And Im sure they said something they were suppose to be helping write for Will and Mos Def, Talib or Black Thought or some other conscious rappers was suppose to be or were helping write with Will when he got there... Or maybe I am remembering completely wrong lol
That Big Willie Style album is at 9X Platinum.
I wonder what it would take for this album to sell another million to be diamond status?
A couple of songs featured on a hit movie and or soundtrack would do it... -
Cash Money came through and like this and that was the end of Will.
That Emenim bar didn’t help either -
water ur seeds wrote: »I still think Nas helped write for Will Smith, I think they were both on Columbia records at the same time, I also think Will had a Nas 'Esco' flow at times and Will actucally said Nas's name 'From civilians, to stars, they wanna know, who we are, it's me, big Will, Nas Escobar...'...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8Gvst2GKHQ
I real dope MC was on Combat Jack show once (i cant remember who/what episode) maybe Consequence??? And Im sure they said something they were suppose to be helping write for Will and Mos Def, Talib or Black Thought or some other conscious rappers was suppose to be or were helping write with Will when he got there... Or maybe I am remembering completely wrong lol
That Big Willie Style album is at 9X Platinum.
I wonder what it would take for this album to sell another million to be diamond status?
That would be dope, maybe a special re release or push on a streaming website... I think its a perfect album to introduce kids into hip hop, its got wordplay, good song concepts (just like candy), no cuss words, stories, its fun and some conscious material to, like off the top On 'Just the Two of Us':
'Throughout life people will make you mad
Disrespect you and treat you bad'
'Let ? deal with the things they do
Cause hate in your heart will consume you too'
'Always tell the truth, say your prayers
Hold doors, pull out chairs, easy on the swears' -
It might be nostalgia, but I thought getting 'Gettin Jiggy Wit It' and 'Miami' were fun singles, 'Man Ali you told me IM the greatest' haha I would rather they hit the charts then fckn 'mumble rap' rubbish... I like the way throughout his career from the Fresh Prince days to the Will Smith era he has always bigged up his bredren Charlie Mack too (even had a song called 'charlie mack the 1st out the limo') and on 'Miami' he mentioned him again:
'So we sip a little something lay to rest the spill,
Me an Charlie at the bar runnin up a high bill
Nothin less than ill, when we dress to ?
Everytime the ladies pass they be like 'Hi Will' -
sapp08_2001 wrote: »He may not be the GOAT but him and Dj Jazzy Jeff Deserve a spot in the Hall Of Fame
You could make a strong argument that Jazzy Jeff is the Greatest DJ Of All Time.
There's an even stronger one to be made for Cash Money. -
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Young Will was dope. Big ? style was too corny though. From an objective standpoint though, I can understand someone making a case for him being a highly ranked rapper.
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Stop.. Will made some feel good music.. starred in fresh prince he use to to own the summer.. he makes decent movies but no.. he is living the dream but NO
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All I know is that the Lost & Found album got some joints on it. Sleep if you want to. -
All of you are acting liking his soundtrack songs weren't dope. I still play M.I.B. for no damn reason at all. "Switch" was my hop off point, but he's undeniably a part of the greater lexicon of hip hop
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5th Letter wrote: »
So Nas didn't write Miami and Rakim didn't write Summertime?
I thought nas did some writing on "gettin jiggy wit it" -
natural born sinners wrote: »5th Letter wrote: »
So Nas didn't write Miami and Rakim didn't write Summertime?
I thought nas did some writing on "gettin jiggy wit it"
Nas did a lot of writing on that Big Willie album. -
I actually enjoyed his Lost and Found album, the joint with Mary J especially was dope.
I don’t know if Summertime will ever not be played by mad cats during the summer, it’s timeless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEUm_wuCkx0
