The Hypocrisy of Abortion and Child Support
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KTULU IS BACK wrote: »A human fetus is, obviously, human.
However, it is not a person. As such, it has no legal recourse. Destroying it is simply not murder. It's not even manslaughter. It's simply abortion.
Let's consider how early a pregnancy can be ended. Is it a "death" when a fertilized egg is dislodged and carried out by menstrual blood?
Is it a "death" when a tiny clump of cells is destroyed by a pill?
Do you believe there's some sort of magical property inherent in a fertilized human egg, even at its earliest stage, that negates a person's right to decide not to have a baby?
You might be superstitious, Josh.
is a parasite a living organism? Yes. Adult humans are only a clump of cells. -
They don't have to do that. That's the whole point. You can get an abortion.they're the one who carry the baby for 9 months
And the man has to work 40+ hours a week, every week of the year in order to cover the hospital bills for the birth and everything thereafter.their the one who go through 20+ plus hours of labour
Are you seriously complaining that men don't produce milk?They are the ones who have to breast feed and go through aching nipples
Every respectable person keeps in shape, including men.they are the ones who have to lose all the baby weight and regain a sense of self
And the men pay the bills for the medical insurance to cover the therapy and medication.they are the ones who could possible have to deal with post partum depression
1. No, you can give up the kid for adoption.and they are the one who HAVE to be there for atleast 18 years of the kids life.
2. The man also has to be there when the crazy ? doesn't deserve custody. -
and since a man can't make one. he has no right to tell a woman when and where to create one.
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if she doesn't want children she should close her legs. As long as abortion is legal, there should be no child support. The bolded is a lie ? give up kids for adoption everyday. It doesn't matter if they have to do all these things anyway. When the child is born men have to give away a percentage of my check. But the explanation of that is, "The rights of the child come first." Same thing in this situation. end of story
who says she doesnt want children?
she just doesnt want children AT that time. and that logic is just stupid as ? . oh you dont want kids? then never have sex. so cant the same be said for the ? complaining? if THEY dont want kid then THEY should keep their trousers zipped.
wth has adoption got to do with this? im not understanding?
stop trying to come up with ? excuses. ? need to step up to the ? plate.
and you DO know that if men had custody of their child (full) then the woman would have to pay child support right?
so if ? did their job and took care of their children full time,LIKE MOST WOMEN WHO GET CHILD SUPPORT DO, then they would be getting cheques from the woman.
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What's your point here? A fetus is not technically a parasite.is a parasite a living organism? Yes.
Obviously, there is a biological and legal distinction between a thing made out of ten cells and a thing made out of ten BILLION cells.Adult humans are only a clump of cells. -
KTULU IS BACK wrote: »They don't have to do that. That's the whole point. You can get an abortion.
And the man has to work 40+ hours a week, every week of the year in order to cover the hospital bills for the birth and everything thereafter.
Are you seriously complaining that men don't produce milk?
Every respectable person keeps in shape, including men.
And the men pay the bills for the medical insurance to cover the therapy and medication.
1. No, you can give up the kid for adoption.
2. The man also has to be there when the crazy ? doesn't deserve custody.
i stopped when you compared everyday work to child labour. -
i stopped when you compared everyday work to child labour.
40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, all to pay the expenses for a woman who believed her man had no RIGHT in the discussion of whether or not to have a baby.
It's actually WORSE than going through labor. -
who says she doesnt want children?
she just doesnt want children AT that time. and that logic is just stupid as ? . oh you dont want kids? then never have sex. so cant the same be said for the ? complaining? if THEY dont want kid then THEY should keep their trousers zipped.
wth has adoption got to do with this? im not understanding?
stop trying to come up with ? excuses. ? need to step up to the ? plate.
and you DO know that if men had custody of their child (full) then the woman would have to pay child support right?
so if ? did their job and took care of their children full time,LIKE MOST WOMEN WHO GET CHILD SUPPORT DO, then they would be getting cheques from the woman.
stop with the excuses.
You said, "at the end of the day as i said. you get her pregnant then your responsibility." Which is tantamount to, if a man doesn't want children, he should wear a condom. Apply that same logic to women. If she gets pregnant, it's her responsibility. She should have to take care of the baby, and not be allowed the easy way out. She should have to, "step up to the plate." If abortion was illegal, then I would agree with child support. But as long as abortion is legal, men shouldn't be forced to pay child support. Since only women are allowed to make the decision/choice, they should be the only one's financially responsible for the child.
Women get custody like 85% of the time. They only lose custody when they are practically insane. So comparing the two is utterly ridiculous. -
36cm (circumference wise) head.
tiny ? .
20 hours OR more. (seeing as my mother had 36hours) -
36cm (circumference wise) head.
tiny ? .
20 hours OR more. (seeing as my mother had 36hours)
? stop bragging about how tight your ? is -
ive made all the point i have to make fool ey.
ive covered all i need to.
STEP THE ? UP.
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KTULU IS BACK wrote: »What's your point here? A fetus is not technically a parasite.
Obviously, there is a biological and legal distinction between a thing made out of ten cells and a thing made out of ten BILLION cells.
what are fetuses then? It's a group cells that require a host to grow and live. -
what are fetuses then? It's a group cells that require a host to grow and live.
yeah but its the same species as the host and its a direct result of the reproductive process -
You said, "at the end of the day as i said. you get her pregnant then your responsibility." Which is tantamount to, if a man doesn't want children, he should wear a condom. Apply that same logic to women. If she gets pregnant, it's her responsibility. She should have to take care of the baby, and not be allowed the easy way out. She should have to, "step up to the plate." If abortion was illegal, then I would agree with child support. But as long as abortion is legal, men shouldn't be forced to pay child support. Since only women are allowed to make the decision/choice, they should be the only one's financially responsible for the child.
Women get custody like 85% of the time. They only lose custody when they are practically insane. So comparing the two is utterly ridiculous.
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KTULU IS BACK wrote: »yeah but its the same species as the host and its a direct result of the reproductive process
it still fits the definition of a parasite. And one species of spider dies for her young to live. I don't know the particular species, but her offspring eats her alive to live. -
im sure when they say that its because they CAN, but they shouldnt HAVE to take care of a child alone. it takes 2 to make a baby.
at the end of the day as i said. you get her pregnant then your responsibilty. now women are fortunate enough to choose if they want the baby or not because they are the one most effected by pregnancy.
they're the one who carry the baby for 9 months
their the one who go through 20+ plus hours of labour
They are the ones who have to breast feed and go through aching nipples
they are the ones who have to lose all the baby weight and regain a sense of self
they are the ones who could possible have to deal with post partum depression
and they are the one who HAVE to be there for atleast 18 years of the kids life.
they deserve to have that choice.
now would it be NICE for a woman to take account the father view upon whether or not to have this baby? yes
but it is far from necessary.
Yes it takes two to make a baby but you seem to miss the point. You said it takes TWO to make the baby, yet you are implying that the women role is more important than the man, like he didn't plant that seed in her. However THIS is the point you cant seem to understand or dont want to understand and that is when a woman gets pregnant, she can choose whether or not to keep the baby it's hardly the man's choice, this is something women love to preach (it's their body so they have the right to choose, so who cares if the man agrees or not) yet none of that "it takes two" rhetoric applies in that situation, they only bring it up if the man acts up.
All that stuff you're saying doesn't apply to what we're discussing here. -
^^^ dont tell her that tho. she managed to change the discussion to the size of a womens ? and the pain her nipples go through
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digitalgrl87 wrote: »forcing a man to pay child support is different than a forcing a woman to have a baby...
and when i said that life is unfair earlier i was referring to the nature of child birth...women really hold all the cards because it's our bodies and our well being that is effected...
you do realize that mens bodies go thru stressful situations trying to hold down jobs to pay child support right?? LOL .... if a ? work at ups ... that extra overtime that he's working to pay child support and not lose his home goes on for 18 years ... women will be back out at the club in less than a month of having a baby. not to mention them not having to account for what they spend the money on. smh at "independent" women using child support money to pay their rent -
UPTOWN (CONNEXX) wrote: »you do realize that mens bodies go thru stressful situations trying to hold down jobs to pay child support right?? LOL .... if a ? work at ups ... that extra overtime that he's working to pay child support and not lose his home goes on for 18 years ... women will be back out at the club in less than a month of having a baby. not to mention them not having to account for what they spend the money on. smh at "independent" women using child support money to pay their rent
u cannot compare a woman carrying a child to term and giving birth to sad child to a man working over time be hide a computer desk or wendys... Lol.... shame on you...and in most states how much you pay in child support depends on how much is your income...and there are ways around it... the average ? is not paying tiger woods numbers in child support...
and it doesn't matter what she spends the money on as long as YOUR child is being well token care of...meaning he/she is healthy, happy, and doesn't need/want for anything you have no need to worry about it... if you think she's not taking care of her responsibilities sue for custody....or you could just avoid this entire situation and abstain from having unprotected sex.
its funny...do yall think the woman has it any easier...she's stuck raising a child basically on her own too...and ok she chose that path but it takes two to make a baby....so stop having unprotected sex or ? ... -
digitalgrl87 wrote: »u cannot compare a woman carrying a child to term and giving birth to sad child to a man working over time be hide a computer desk or wendys... Lol.... shame on you...and in most states how much you pay in child support depends on how much is your income...and there are ways around it... the average ? is not paying tiger woods numbers in child support...
and it doesn't matter what she spends the money on as long as YOUR child is being well token care of...meaning he/she is healthy, happy, and doesn't need/want for anything you have no need to worry about it... if you think she's not taking care of her responsibilities sue for custody....or you could just avoid this entire situation and abstain from having unprotected sex.
You should be telling women who want abortions this. Remember, life is unfair.
And you act like child birth is the worst thing ever. There are shots to ease the pain. There are C sections. GTFOH. And it still don't matter, a man is working hours just to give a paycheck to the result of decision he had no say in. That's involuntary servitude. -
[QUOTE=digitalgrl87;1080864]u cannot compare a woman carrying a child to term and giving birth to sad child to a man working over time be hide a computer desk or wendys... Lol.... shame on you...and in most states how much you pay in child support depends on how much is your income...and there are ways around it... the average ? is not paying tiger woods numbers in child support...
and it doesn't matter what she spends the money on as long as YOUR child is being well token care of...meaning he/she is healthy, happy, and doesn't need/want for anything you have no need to worry about it... if you think she's not taking care of her responsibilities sue for custody....or you could just avoid this entire situation and abstain from having unprotected sex.[/QUOTE]
I think it's kind of ? that women are throwing around this whole "NOTHING YOU DO COMPARES TO GIVING BIRTH!!!" thing...considering that men DIE EARLIER IN LIFE due to a lifetime of having to put food on the table for some little ? we might not have even wanted in the first place. -
Well the pro-death side is also hypocritical in the fact that they will call Christians out for pushing their "religion" on others but when you show them indisputable SCIENTIFIC evidence that a fetus is a human being and that ending the life of an unborn child is KILLING A HUMAN BEING they come up with a bunch of hypocritical ignoramus excuses. All-the-sudden they begin to argue religion...only they dont call it religion they call it "philosophy" and say ? like, "well thats between her and ? ." GEE thought we werent arguing religion LOL
You are ALL hypocritical. People who are against abortion but wont adopt. People who are against welfare and public school and charters. People who are against abortion but once the child gets here "? EM." The pro-Death side is hypocritical and the pro-life side is hypocritical.
This particular issue is just another in a long line of hypocritical ? beliefs ? hold. We could write a ? Almanac on the hypocrisy of ? in America.
I was just about to post somethin like that. The same people marching and protesting against abortion will be the same ones talking about the death penalty when lil Johnny who had no positive role model growing up decides to shoot somebody.
Its bad to ? him when hes in the ? , but please fry his ass when he gets older. -
Maximus Rex wrote: »With the exception of religious folks, most people in America support a woman's right to have an abortion. When a chick goes and has an abortion, people never question it. As a matter of fact some even claim that that the chick is behaving in a responsible manner and rectifying a mistake. We except abortion as a reality of life and would never force a woman to be a mother against her will.
Men on the other hand aren't afforded the same luxury, rights, and esteem. No matter how the guy feels in the matter. He may be forced to become a parent against his will. Suddenly the same arguments made in support of abortion, have no validity concerning men.
Single motherhood is a prime example of women not facing their responsibilities and epitomizes their selfish, hypocritical, and irrational natures. Why in the name of ? would a woman bear children with a man she isn't married too? How is it that a guy isn't good enough to be your husband, but then he's good enough to be the leading male figure in your child's life? What makes you think that if isn't willing to c ommit to you, he's going to all of a sudden turn into Ward Cleaver and be a responsible father? Single mothers think it's a great and wonderful thing to have these kids. They're under the delusion that they're doing to the "right thing." When in actuality women are having these kids either to keep the guy or they're just straight being vindictive. Why bring a child into a world with a guy who doesn't want you other than just to cause misery and discomfort in the next man's life?
Then there's the state sanctioned extortion which is called "child support." I fully support a woman's right to have an abortion. Nobody should be forced to have children they don't want. I also support a man's right not be a father. Some will argue that men have a responsibility to their children. That is a specious argument at best. Follow the logic:
1) Woman have 11 forms of birth control available to them. Men have two.
2) Women make the final decision in whether or not to have sex. If your having sex against your will that's a felony and you have the person arrested.
3) Women UNILATERALLY DECIDE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO CONTINUE WITH THE PREGNANCY!!!
So ladies, with that being stated, how are men responsible for the children THAT YOU DECIDED TO HAVE OF YOU OWN FREE WILL??? Why do I have to subsidize your maternal instincts? Men should only have to pay child support if the children were born in wedlock or if the chick can prove in court that he agreed to financially support the children.
Up until recently, I used to feel like the majority of people, that guys who didn't take care of their kids were scumbags and one of the lowest forms of life. Then I thought about it. If we respect a woman's right not to be a mother, then why don't we support man's right not be a father, have money extorted from him, and be thrown into debtors prison for not capitulating to the extortion.
Here's a link to a guy in Michigan that's fighting to have men have the same reproductive rights as women, http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/08/father...index.html If he wins, then women will have be something they rarely ever are, responsible.
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Bump.
