Better rapper Vol. 32: Ghostface or Jay-Z
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Jay-Z
I could fathom it, I made a statement that I was feeling you don't have to agree. You caught feelings and proceeded to name calling lol.
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Ghostface Killah
I could fathom it, I made a statement that I was feeling you don't have to agree. You caught feelings and proceeded to name calling lol.
Are you serious?
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Jay-ZGhost is up there.
He ripped Verbal Intercourse the most, not Nas -
Jay-ZCoonKillaThird wrote: »This ? said Ghostface got the better wordplay, I'm out.
But.... I'll leave this here, first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTntnTBjOLs
Have you even listened to Ghost's catalog? You're a known Warrior.
I'm not a known "warrior", you're a known idiot, though.
And I've heard Ghost's ? .CoonKillaThird wrote: »Its a difference between the spitters and ? like Jay.
Jay rarely gets off into that zone like he did in roc boyz but he's capable of it.
Ghost got whole albums where he's just going In.
Ghost put in a lot of work, we can go track for track and Im sure when Jay runs out of ? we will still be posting ghost tracks.
All that diamond, versace ? he was doing in the late 90s dont even compare to what Ghost was doing lyrically in that same period of time.
Jay is a better entrepreneur and that is all.
What are you talking about?
Jay dropped RD, Vol.1-3 during the late 90's, lmfao@ That not comparing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ratLKX5fpY
Damn, you fadin em', Hov.
A bruh.
Ob4cl
Iron man
wu-tang forever
and Supreme Clientele
Vs
RD
Vol 1-3
Explain...this should be interesting
Supreme Clientele came out in 2000, bruh.
WU-Tang Forever is a group project, bruh.
Iron Man and OB4CL are dope though.
And why the ? are you talking about projects, when we're talking about pure rapping.
And finally, Jay was going bar for bar with BIG, but he wouldn't have been able to go bar for bar with Ghost? Are you ? serious? Lmao. -
Jay-ZBodying a track doesn't mean you have to be ultra aggressive, that's clearly your own personal interpretation of it, cause Jay's bodied ? while rapping in a smooth manner, e.g.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Issz4hAqmno
Here's something more aggressive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sogcfbqvsw
Seriously? This is top notch Mcing?
"I got my Mojo back baby o behave" WORD?
Now Blueprint 2 is weak? Lmao....how Jay say it....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyTxsTiFFq4 -
Ghostface KillahCoonKillaThird wrote: »This ? said Ghostface got the better wordplay, I'm out.
But.... I'll leave this here, first.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTntnTBjOLs
Have you even listened to Ghost's catalog? You're a known Warrior.
I'm not a known "warrior", you're a known idiot, though.
And I've heard Ghost's ? .CoonKillaThird wrote: »Its a difference between the spitters and ? like Jay.
Jay rarely gets off into that zone like he did in roc boyz but he's capable of it.
Ghost got whole albums where he's just going In.
Ghost put in a lot of work, we can go track for track and Im sure when Jay runs out of ? we will still be posting ghost tracks.
All that diamond, versace ? he was doing in the late 90s dont even compare to what Ghost was doing lyrically in that same period of time.
Jay is a better entrepreneur and that is all.
What are you talking about?
Jay dropped RD, Vol.1-3 during the late 90's, lmfao@ That not comparing.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ratLKX5fpY
Damn, you fadin em', Hov.
A bruh.
Ob4cl
Iron man
wu-tang forever
and Supreme Clientele
Vs
RD
Vol 1-3
Explain...this should be interesting
Supreme Clientele came out in 2000, bruh.
WU-Tang Forever is a group project, bruh.
Iron Man and OB4CL are dope though.
And why the ? are you talking about projects, when we're talking about pure rapping.
And finally, Jay was going bar for bar with BIG, but he wouldn't have been able to go bar for bar with Ghost? Are you ? serious? Lmao.
Supreme Clientelle dropped Jan.25 2000
vol 3 dropped dec.28 1999
The ? are you on?
Yeah it was a group project but we were comparing what they did in a time period so its all fair game.
Im talking about what was done ON those projects.
Jay was nothing like Big. I hate that comparison.
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Ghostface KillahBodying a track doesn't mean you have to be ultra aggressive, that's clearly your own personal interpretation of it, cause Jay's bodied ? while rapping in a smooth manner, e.g.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Issz4hAqmno
Here's something more aggressivehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sogcfbqvsw
Seriously? This is top notch Mcing?
"I got my Mojo back baby o behave" WORD?
Now Blueprint 2 is weak? Lmao....how Jay say it....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyTxsTiFFq4
I always thought Blueprint 2 was weak also. That chorus is annoying as ? . Call it hating if you want, but some people simply don't think it's a good song. -
Ghostface KillahCool Joe seems to know a lot about Jay but not much about Ghost. But this the same guy who still thinks D Wade is a top 5 player. Duke is delusional. You weren't able to rebut anything in my post. Originality and emotion don't count for nothing?? I said wordplay can go either way depending on preference but I hope you're not implying Ghost don't have crazy wordplay because if you are then your scope on what wordplay is is extremely narrow.
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Jay-ZJay does have a weak discography for a GOAT candidate as Vol 2-3, BP2 & 3, Dynasty, MCHG are all mediocre to ight albums.
However we are not talking about catalogs but actually abilities as an MC and we talking that we talking HOV all damn day.
The Hova Song trilogy from VOL 3 alone puts dude on a different level. When to being clever, the flows, the actual bars spit there's few in a class with Jay- Z. "I used to rap to the rain drops on my window pane"... That ? had me on Weebey gif status. "I'm like a Russian mobster drinking distilled vodka until I'm under the field with Hoffa" smh
Joints like "Where Im From", "imaginary player", "rap game ? game", "d'evils", "allure", "I know", "a dream" just to name a few are out cold. I ? wih Ghost but c'mon bruhs let's be reasonable here -
Jay-Z.
I could fathom it, I made a statement that I was feeling you don't have to agree. You caught feelings and proceeded to name calling lol.
Are you serious?
Dog, just look at the thread the cats in here making a case for Jay getting trolls, spams, feelings reactions etc. you would think we was trying to compare Lil Zane to Ghost. Simple no signs can't suffice? nope feelings gotta spew.
I don't have not one negative thing to say about Ghost (which is why I haven't). Dude one of my favorite Mc's ever. But imo he ain't nicer than Jay that's how I feel it is what it is.
So that led to me saying it hurts ? that Jay is widely considered one of the goats and in a lot of cases the Goat. I ain't said ? that y'all actions ain't justifying fam.
*now give me feelings, trolls, spam, and abuses* -
Jay-ZThat second quote was from Allure not the Hova Song trilogy for clarification. Hov got bars dog
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I could fathom it, I made a statement that I was feeling you don't have to agree. You caught feelings and proceeded to name calling lol.
Are you serious?
Dog, just look at the thread the cats in here making a case for Jay getting trolls, spams, feelings reactions etc. you would think we was trying to compare Lil Zane to Ghost. Simple no signs can't suffice? nope feelings gotta spew.
I don't have not one negative thing to say about Ghost (which is why I haven't). Dude one of my favorite Mc's ever. But imo he ain't nicer than Jay that's how I feel it is what it is.
So that led to me saying it hurts ? that Jay is widely considered one of the goats and in a lot of cases the Goat. I ain't said ? that y'all actions ain't justifying fam.
*now give me feelings, trolls, spam, and abuses*
realest post in this thread
its the IC though. Might as well be the Wu C -
Ghostface Killahghost is an all around better artist/rapper.
ghost has a much wider range of topics in his music
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Ghostface KillahJay does have a weak discography for a GOAT candidate as Vol 2-3, BP2 & 3, Dynasty, MCHG are all mediocre to ight albums.
However we are not talking about catalogs but actually abilities as an MC and we talking that we talking HOV all damn day.
The Hova Song trilogy from VOL 3 alone puts dude on a different level. When to being clever, the flows, the actual bars spit there's few in a class with Jay- Z. "I used to rap to the rain drops on my window pane"... That ? had me on Weebey gif status. "I'm like a Russian mobster drinking distilled vodka until I'm under the field with Hoffa" smh
Joints like "Where Im From", "imaginary player", "rap game ? game", "d'evils", "allure", "I know", "a dream" just to name a few are out cold. I ? wih Ghost but c'mon bruhs let's be reasonable here
How can you discount the catalog when you're talking about the person's abilities. Anybody can make a hot song here and there, but being able to make hot albums consistently is the hallmark of a great rapper.
And nobody here is claiming Jay isn't a great rapper or hasn't made great song, but he's not as good as Ghost IMO.
Like I said, if we're just talking about impact on the game or raw lyricism. I'd go with Jay. But when you factor in everything else that matters like storytelling, creativity, subject matter, delivery/flow, chemistry with other MCs, etc... Ghost just proves to be superior.
You listen to Jay, you're going to get 80% of his music being him bragging about himself and/or his life and the other 20% some assorted ? . You listen to Ghost album, you're going to get about 50% being about the drug and street life, and then the other 50% ranging from being about a bad haircut to a tripped out journey through cartoon land to a song about getting your ass whooped as a kid and everything between. -
Ghostface KillahItzGravitation wrote: ».
I could fathom it, I made a statement that I was feeling you don't have to agree. You caught feelings and proceeded to name calling lol.
Are you serious?
Dog, just look at the thread the cats in here making a case for Jay getting trolls, spams, feelings reactions etc. you would think we was trying to compare Lil Zane to Ghost. Simple no signs can't suffice? nope feelings gotta spew.
I don't have not one negative thing to say about Ghost (which is why I haven't). Dude one of my favorite Mc's ever. But imo he ain't nicer than Jay that's how I feel it is what it is.
So that led to me saying it hurts ? that Jay is widely considered one of the goats and in a lot of cases the Goat. I ain't said ? that y'all actions ain't justifying fam.
*now give me feelings, trolls, spam, and abuses*
realest post in this thread
its the IC though. Might as well be the Wu C
It trips me out how clowns been making comments like this all throughout the thread, but Jay won the poll. So if the IC is just a forum full of mindless Wu fans, how did that happen? Topics criticizing the Wu pop up all the time, and disappear just as quickly. Topics where Jay is criticized stay around for weeks because his Stans pull out all stops to try and stomp out any criticism directed towards him. -
Jay-ZCoonKillaThird wrote: »CoonKillaThird wrote: »This ? said Ghostface got the better wordplay, I'm out.
But.... I'll leave this here, first.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTntnTBjOLs
Have you even listened to Ghost's catalog? You're a known Warrior.
I'm not a known "warrior", you're a known idiot, though.
And I've heard Ghost's ? .CoonKillaThird wrote: »Its a difference between the spitters and ? like Jay.
Jay rarely gets off into that zone like he did in roc boyz but he's capable of it.
Ghost got whole albums where he's just going In.
Ghost put in a lot of work, we can go track for track and Im sure when Jay runs out of ? we will still be posting ghost tracks.
All that diamond, versace ? he was doing in the late 90s dont even compare to what Ghost was doing lyrically in that same period of time.
Jay is a better entrepreneur and that is all.
What are you talking about?
Jay dropped RD, Vol.1-3 during the late 90's, lmfao@ That not comparing.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ratLKX5fpY
Damn, you fadin em', Hov.
A bruh.
Ob4cl
Iron man
wu-tang forever
and Supreme Clientele
Vs
RD
Vol 1-3
Explain...this should be interesting
Supreme Clientele came out in 2000, bruh.
WU-Tang Forever is a group project, bruh.
Iron Man and OB4CL are dope though.
And why the ? are you talking about projects, when we're talking about pure rapping.
And finally, Jay was going bar for bar with BIG, but he wouldn't have been able to go bar for bar with Ghost? Are you ? serious? Lmao.
Supreme Clientelle dropped Jan.25 2000
vol 3 dropped dec.28 1999
The ? are you on?
Yeah it was a group project but we were comparing what they did in a time period so its all fair game.
Im talking about what was done ON those projects.
Jay was nothing like Big. I hate that comparison.
One dropped in the 90's, one didn't, end of story.
There was never a point to just name projects at all....
And I never said Jay was anything like BIG, I said Jay did just as well as BIG on the three joints they had together, the ? are you talking about?Cool Joe seems to know a lot about Jay but not much about Ghost. But this the same guy who still thinks D Wade is a top 5 player. Duke is delusional. You weren't able to rebut anything in my post. Originality and emotion don't count for nothing?? I said wordplay can go either way depending on preference but I hope you're not implying Ghost don't have crazy wordplay because if you are then your scope on what wordplay is is extremely narrow.
Jay and Lupe are probably the best ? at wordplay that I've ever heard, which is why I find it a clear victory for Jay.
But let's for a second act like me saying Wade is a top 5 player in the league still, which I didn't, what the ? does that have to do with my ability to debate about Hip-Hop?
Now if you said I was a Lil Wayne stan, then maybe you could cast a dark cloud over my ability to debate this rap ? , but I'm not cut from that cloth, although you are. -
Ghostface KillahI'm giving CoolJoe abuse reactions because he is acting like Ghost is a mid-tier MC. But if you want some too it's my pleasure.
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Jay-ZThe Lonious Monk wrote: »Bodying a track doesn't mean you have to be ultra aggressive, that's clearly your own personal interpretation of it, cause Jay's bodied ? while rapping in a smooth manner, e.g.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Issz4hAqmno
Here's something more aggressivehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sogcfbqvsw
Seriously? This is top notch Mcing?
"I got my Mojo back baby o behave" WORD?
Now Blueprint 2 is weak? Lmao....how Jay say it....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyTxsTiFFq4
I always thought Blueprint 2 was weak also. That chorus is annoying as ? . Call it hating if you want, but some people simply don't think it's a good song.
Alright, you hate the hook, what was weak about the verses Jay spit? -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »ItzGravitation wrote: ».
I could fathom it, I made a statement that I was feeling you don't have to agree. You caught feelings and proceeded to name calling lol.
Are you serious?
Dog, just look at the thread the cats in here making a case for Jay getting trolls, spams, feelings reactions etc. you would think we was trying to compare Lil Zane to Ghost. Simple no signs can't suffice? nope feelings gotta spew.
I don't have not one negative thing to say about Ghost (which is why I haven't). Dude one of my favorite Mc's ever. But imo he ain't nicer than Jay that's how I feel it is what it is.
So that led to me saying it hurts ? that Jay is widely considered one of the goats and in a lot of cases the Goat. I ain't said ? that y'all actions ain't justifying fam.
*now give me feelings, trolls, spam, and abuses*
realest post in this thread
its the IC though. Might as well be the Wu C
It trips me out how clowns been making comments like this all throughout the thread, but Jay won the poll. So if the IC is just a forum full of mindless Wu fans, how did that happen? Topics criticizing the Wu pop up all the time, and disappear just as quickly. Topics where Jay is criticized stay around for weeks because his Stans pull out all stops to try and stomp out any criticism directed towards him.
what Jay stans do has nothing to do with me.
I'm just pointing out the fact that the Wu Tang run the IC.
This poll is just a poll. -
Jay-ZJay is kinda underrated to the heads in terms of artistry and lyricism
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Ghostface KillahThe Lonious Monk wrote: »Bodying a track doesn't mean you have to be ultra aggressive, that's clearly your own personal interpretation of it, cause Jay's bodied ? while rapping in a smooth manner, e.g.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Issz4hAqmno
Here's something more aggressivehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sogcfbqvsw
Seriously? This is top notch Mcing?
"I got my Mojo back baby o behave" WORD?
Now Blueprint 2 is weak? Lmao....how Jay say it....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyTxsTiFFq4
I always thought Blueprint 2 was weak also. That chorus is annoying as ? . Call it hating if you want, but some people simply don't think it's a good song.
Alright, you hate the hook, what was weak about the verses Jay spit?
I don't know. It was just beating a dead horse to me. The battle was finished at that point and he just had to keep it going. It was just more of him talking about himself. He didn't even have any of his typical clever lines in the song.
I rather hear some ? like this than Jay Big Upping himself for the 500th time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ_EIwWuV1gItzGravitation wrote: »what Jay stans do has nothing to do with me.
I'm just pointing out the fact that the Wu Tang run the IC.
This poll is just a poll.
? doesn't make any sense man. If the Wu ran the IC like that, how did Ghost lose? -
Ghostface KillahDuke is a idiot. Vol. 3 and Supreme dropped within 30 days of eachother and he thinks they weren't in the same time period. And the Wade ? just proves how delusional you are in life. Lupe and Jay do have great wordplay but you're only considering one aspect of wordplay, which is why I say your view is narrow. It's not a clear victory. What's your thoughts on Ghost's wordplay. All I hear you talking about is Jay.
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Ghostface KillahMy two fav rappers of all time (when Jay-Z was actually spitting). If Jay never fell off like he did, I don't know if I'd be able to call this one.
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Ghostface Killah.
I could fathom it, I made a statement that I was feeling you don't have to agree. You caught feelings and proceeded to name calling lol.
Are you serious?
Dog, just look at the thread the cats in here making a case for Jay getting trolls, spams, feelings reactions etc. you would think we was trying to compare Lil Zane to Ghost. Simple no signs can't suffice? nope feelings gotta spew.
I don't have not one negative thing to say about Ghost (which is why I haven't). Dude one of my favorite Mc's ever. But imo he ain't nicer than Jay that's how I feel it is what it is.
So that led to me saying it hurts ? that Jay is widely considered one of the goats and in a lot of cases the Goat. I ain't said ? that y'all actions ain't justifying fam.
*now give me feelings, trolls, spam, and abuses*
Well, I aint one of them. I suggest you respond to them. Don't run that feelings BS by me and your post explicitly display your feelings. So, you aren't even debating with well thought out opinion. You are debating with your feelings.
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Ghostface Killah
*now give me feelings, trolls, spam, and abuses*
Duly noted and given ..
You ? like to complain about reactions rather than discuss and argue like men ..
LOL
