Africans apologizing, and not apologizing, for slavery.
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nah he said it.Turfaholic wrote: »I wanna thank them for this jewelry and tattoos
Did Souljah Boy really say that ? ? Or was that just rumor?
So did LL cool J while saying Rip Robert E. Lee
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It was just 180 years ago that slavery was abolished. How are we not affected? If African really cared for us they would make an effort to identify and assign us to a specific tribe. But they won't.
http://www.thenorthstarnews.com/fullstory/story/england-abolished-slavery-180-years-ago-this-month-and-slaveholders-received-the-equivalent-of-200-billion-reparations
England Abolished Slavery 180 Years Ago this Month, and Slaveholders Received the Equivalent of $200 Billion in Reparations
Black History
by Frederick H. Lowe
Staff Writer, The NorthStar News & Analysis
August 1 passed quietly, but it shouldn't have because it is an important day in the history of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade and a strong reminder as to why large numbers of blacks never got a leg up on the economic ladder.
On August 1, 1834, England, the world's biggest slave trader, ended 250 years of a "national crime" against Africans, but slaveholders and slave traders were paid millions of British pounds in reparations for the loss of their property, as slaves were considered.
The British government paid the slaveholders and others who benefited from the Trans-Atlantic slave trade £20 million or about $200 billion in today's currency, according to the book "Britain's Black Debt: Reparations for Caribbean Slavery and Native Genocide," by Sir Hilary McD. Beckles, chair of social and economic history at the University of the West Indies in Cave Hill, Barbados. Formerly enslaved Africans received nothing.
Supporters and beneficiaries of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade included members of the royal family, most members of Parliament, and the Anglican Church, which owned slaves and plantations in the Caribbean.
U just speaking out your ass now. This aint the same Africa, from when ya ancestors was sold 500 years ago.
Africans were imperialized, colonized and enslaved themselves.
most African countrys had to gain independence in the 1950's, and 60's. they as confused, as we are,more or less.
The primary languages in Africa these days, are European. Them tribes, u wanna be assigned to are barely existant. The culture is white washed.
In west, north, and mid Africa they mainly speak French, thats why former enslaved French speaking islands, like Martinique, St. Lucia, Guadaloupe, Dominica, Haiti , acknowledge theyre African roots. cause we can casually communicate with one another.
The reason i pointed that out, is to show how white washed Africa has become. -
It was just 180 years ago that slavery was abolished. How are we not affected? If African really cared for us they would make an effort to identify and assign us to a specific tribe. But they won't.
http://www.thenorthstarnews.com/fullstory/story/england-abolished-slavery-180-years-ago-this-month-and-slaveholders-received-the-equivalent-of-200-billion-reparations
England Abolished Slavery 180 Years Ago this Month, and Slaveholders Received the Equivalent of $200 Billion in Reparations
Black History
by Frederick H. Lowe
Staff Writer, The NorthStar News & Analysis
August 1 passed quietly, but it shouldn't have because it is an important day in the history of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade and a strong reminder as to why large numbers of blacks never got a leg up on the economic ladder.
On August 1, 1834, England, the world's biggest slave trader, ended 250 years of a "national crime" against Africans, but slaveholders and slave traders were paid millions of British pounds in reparations for the loss of their property, as slaves were considered.
The British government paid the slaveholders and others who benefited from the Trans-Atlantic slave trade £20 million or about $200 billion in today's currency, according to the book "Britain's Black Debt: Reparations for Caribbean Slavery and Native Genocide," by Sir Hilary McD. Beckles, chair of social and economic history at the University of the West Indies in Cave Hill, Barbados. Formerly enslaved Africans received nothing.
Supporters and beneficiaries of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade included members of the royal family, most members of Parliament, and the Anglican Church, which owned slaves and plantations in the Caribbean.
U just speaking out your ass now. This aint the same Africa, from when ya ancestors was sold 500 years ago.
Africans were imperialized, colonized and enslaved themselves.
most African countrys had to gain independence in the 1950's, and 60's. they as confused, as we are,more or less.
The primary languages in Africa these days, are European. Them tribes, u wanna be assigned to are barely existant. The culture is white washed.
In west, north, and mid Africa they mainly speak French, thats why former enslaved French speaking islands, like Martinique, St. Lucia, Guadaloupe, Dominica, Haiti , acknowledge theyre African roots. cause we can casually communicate with one another.
The reason i pointed that out, is to show how white washed Africa has become.
This!
But let these retards make threads and comment on ? they know nothing about and you'll have this fiasco thread.
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »Apologize for what???
Even after slavery, there was Jim Crow and Segregation.
Africans werent the ones lynching, and ? , and having u pick cotton.
African werent slave masters, in the Americas, Caribbean. And Australia.
These ? above aint african, theyre Australians enslaved in Australia .
This is a depiction of Native Americans enslavement, In America.
Before africans were slaves, in america. native americans were enslaved.
do africans need to apologize to natives and the Australians, as well???
? Need to stop playing stupid, ya know who damn well need not to apologize, but pay up reperations instead.
lol Other people doing wrong after you doesn't absolve you from the wrong you've done.
That said, apologies from anyone is pointless. Apologies don't change what happened and won't help blacks in the West improve their current station.
What wrong ?
Ya ? failed to realize, that slavery was a part of eastern cultures. Like polygamy....
The Africans and European practice of slavery, is what orange juice is to orange soda. Both are beverages, have orange in the name, but are different ? .
They sold us boo hoo, we were prisoners of war. Its logical. They were exchanging commodities.
Europeans wanted workers. the Europeans werent over they're saying give us the best men and women we can ? , maim, and work worse than cattles .
Were Africans, regulating slavery in the u.s, south ,central america and the carribean???
Native Americans sold other tribes of natives to the Europeans. But whites know better than to feed that , its your fault b.s' to them, like they do us. And ? is insulting.
The morale of the story is, dont trust krackas. But uncle ben ass ? , want to point the finger at other ? .
which is no different, than the baboons who babble black on black crime, sagging pants, rap music, its a decoy to protect white suprrmacy. -
That map shows you how truly sad the colonization and Atlantic slave trade truly has ? Africans today.
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What's done is done. Apologies aren't needed and they won't really help
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The_Jackal wrote: »What's done is done. Apologies aren't needed and they won't really help
True and the fact that African nations did fought back and it was trading prisoners of war or those in debt in the beginning but they had a time to be set free after they paid for their debts. But the Portuguese mixed children did a lot of stealing Africans. -
It was just 180 years ago that slavery was abolished. How are we not affected? If African really cared for us they would make an effort to identify and assign us to a specific tribe. But they won't.
http://www.thenorthstarnews.com/fullstory/story/england-abolished-slavery-180-years-ago-this-month-and-slaveholders-received-the-equivalent-of-200-billion-reparations
England Abolished Slavery 180 Years Ago this Month, and Slaveholders Received the Equivalent of $200 Billion in Reparations
Black History
by Frederick H. Lowe
Staff Writer, The NorthStar News & Analysis
August 1 passed quietly, but it shouldn't have because it is an important day in the history of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade and a strong reminder as to why large numbers of blacks never got a leg up on the economic ladder.
On August 1, 1834, England, the world's biggest slave trader, ended 250 years of a "national crime" against Africans, but slaveholders and slave traders were paid millions of British pounds in reparations for the loss of their property, as slaves were considered.
The British government paid the slaveholders and others who benefited from the Trans-Atlantic slave trade £20 million or about $200 billion in today's currency, according to the book "Britain's Black Debt: Reparations for Caribbean Slavery and Native Genocide," by Sir Hilary McD. Beckles, chair of social and economic history at the University of the West Indies in Cave Hill, Barbados. Formerly enslaved Africans received nothing.
Supporters and beneficiaries of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade included members of the royal family, most members of Parliament, and the Anglican Church, which owned slaves and plantations in the Caribbean.
U just speaking out your ass now. This aint the same Africa, from when ya ancestors was sold 500 years ago.
Africans were imperialized, colonized and enslaved themselves.
most African countrys had to gain independence in the 1950's, and 60's. they as confused, as we are,more or less.
The primary languages in Africa these days, are European. Them tribes, u wanna be assigned to are barely existant. The culture is white washed.
In west, north, and mid Africa they mainly speak French, thats why former enslaved French speaking islands, like Martinique, St. Lucia, Guadaloupe, Dominica, Haiti , acknowledge theyre African roots. cause we can casually communicate with one another.
The reason i pointed that out, is to show how white washed Africa has become.
Truth and facts tainted with lies and or fallacies ridicule your post. Every single one of those Ethnic groups are existent and only government/official dealings are in European languages. Culture is very alive bruh.... -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »Apologize for what???
Even after slavery, there was Jim Crow and Segregation.
Africans werent the ones lynching, and ? , and having u pick cotton.
African werent slave masters, in the Americas, Caribbean. And Australia.
These ? above aint african, theyre Australians enslaved in Australia .
This is a depiction of Native Americans enslavement, In America.
Before africans were slaves, in america. native americans were enslaved.
do africans need to apologize to natives and the Australians, as well???
? Need to stop playing stupid, ya know who damn well need not to apologize, but pay up reperations instead.
lol Other people doing wrong after you doesn't absolve you from the wrong you've done.
That said, apologies from anyone is pointless. Apologies don't change what happened and won't help blacks in the West improve their current station.
What wrong ?
Ya ? failed to realize, that slavery was a part of eastern cultures. Like polygamy....
The Africans and European practice of slavery, is what orange juice is to orange soda. Both are beverages, have orange in the name, but are different ? .
They sold us boo hoo, we were prisoners of war. Its logical. They were exchanging commodities.
Europeans wanted workers. the Europeans werent over they're saying give us the best men and women we can ? , maim, and work worse than cattles .
Were Africans, regulating slavery in the u.s, south ,central america and the carribean???
Native Americans sold other tribes of natives to the Europeans. But whites know better than to feed that , its your fault b.s' to them, like they do us. And ? is insulting.
The morale of the story is, dont trust krackas. But uncle ben ass ? , want to point the finger at other ? .
which is no different, than the baboons who babble black on black crime, sagging pants, rap music, its a decoy to protect white suprrmacy.
Come on son, do you not know the difference between mitigating factors and reasonable excuses? Everything you put up there is a mitigating factor meaning it might lighten the severity of what they did, but it doesn't excuse. Africans sold their brothers and sisters to Europeans. There's no changing that and there's no justifying it. So take that ? somewhere else.
White supremacy is the ever present factor that's been there keeping us down, but get the ? outta here acting like the internal problems in the community don't play a part in keeping us down too. -
It was just 180 years ago that slavery was abolished. How are we not affected? If African really cared for us they would make an effort to identify and assign us to a specific tribe. But they won't.
http://www.thenorthstarnews.com/fullstory/story/england-abolished-slavery-180-years-ago-this-month-and-slaveholders-received-the-equivalent-of-200-billion-reparations
England Abolished Slavery 180 Years Ago this Month, and Slaveholders Received the Equivalent of $200 Billion in Reparations
Black History
by Frederick H. Lowe
Staff Writer, The NorthStar News & Analysis
August 1 passed quietly, but it shouldn't have because it is an important day in the history of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade and a strong reminder as to why large numbers of blacks never got a leg up on the economic ladder.
On August 1, 1834, England, the world's biggest slave trader, ended 250 years of a "national crime" against Africans, but slaveholders and slave traders were paid millions of British pounds in reparations for the loss of their property, as slaves were considered.
The British government paid the slaveholders and others who benefited from the Trans-Atlantic slave trade £20 million or about $200 billion in today's currency, according to the book "Britain's Black Debt: Reparations for Caribbean Slavery and Native Genocide," by Sir Hilary McD. Beckles, chair of social and economic history at the University of the West Indies in Cave Hill, Barbados. Formerly enslaved Africans received nothing.
Supporters and beneficiaries of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade included members of the royal family, most members of Parliament, and the Anglican Church, which owned slaves and plantations in the Caribbean.
U just speaking out your ass now. This aint the same Africa, from when ya ancestors was sold 500 years ago.
Africans were imperialized, colonized and enslaved themselves.
most African countrys had to gain independence in the 1950's, and 60's. they as confused, as we are,more or less.
The primary languages in Africa these days, are European. Them tribes, u wanna be assigned to are barely existant. The culture is white washed.
In west, north, and mid Africa they mainly speak French, thats why former enslaved French speaking islands, like Martinique, St. Lucia, Guadaloupe, Dominica, Haiti , acknowledge theyre African roots. cause we can casually communicate with one another.
The reason i pointed that out, is to show how white washed Africa has become.
Truth and facts tainted with lies and or fallacies ridicule your post. Every single one of those Ethnic groups are existent and only government/official dealings are in European languages. Culture is very alive bruh....
Nobody said the culture is dead. in the Americas, despite centuries of slavery and colonization, the diaspora some how kept the culture alive .
So of course africans in africa would.
But is it the same as pre imperialism?
U telling me, alot of the old tribes, cultures, languages etc. are not defunct?
U telling me, alot of the ppl didnt turn their back on tradition, for a western way of life? and dont let me get started, on Islam's impact on African culture. -
It was just 180 years ago that slavery was abolished. How are we not affected? If African really cared for us they would make an effort to identify and assign us to a specific tribe. But they won't.
http://www.thenorthstarnews.com/fullstory/story/england-abolished-slavery-180-years-ago-this-month-and-slaveholders-received-the-equivalent-of-200-billion-reparations
England Abolished Slavery 180 Years Ago this Month, and Slaveholders Received the Equivalent of $200 Billion in Reparations
Black History
by Frederick H. Lowe
Staff Writer, The NorthStar News & Analysis
August 1 passed quietly, but it shouldn't have because it is an important day in the history of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade and a strong reminder as to why large numbers of blacks never got a leg up on the economic ladder.
On August 1, 1834, England, the world's biggest slave trader, ended 250 years of a "national crime" against Africans, but slaveholders and slave traders were paid millions of British pounds in reparations for the loss of their property, as slaves were considered.
The British government paid the slaveholders and others who benefited from the Trans-Atlantic slave trade £20 million or about $200 billion in today's currency, according to the book "Britain's Black Debt: Reparations for Caribbean Slavery and Native Genocide," by Sir Hilary McD. Beckles, chair of social and economic history at the University of the West Indies in Cave Hill, Barbados. Formerly enslaved Africans received nothing.
Supporters and beneficiaries of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade included members of the royal family, most members of Parliament, and the Anglican Church, which owned slaves and plantations in the Caribbean.
U just speaking out your ass now. This aint the same Africa, from when ya ancestors was sold 500 years ago.
Africans were imperialized, colonized and enslaved themselves.
most African countrys had to gain independence in the 1950's, and 60's. they as confused, as we are,more or less.
The primary languages in Africa these days, are European. Them tribes, u wanna be assigned to are barely existant. The culture is white washed.
In west, north, and mid Africa they mainly speak French, thats why former enslaved French speaking islands, like Martinique, St. Lucia, Guadaloupe, Dominica, Haiti , acknowledge theyre African roots. cause we can casually communicate with one another.
The reason i pointed that out, is to show how white washed Africa has become.
Truth and facts tainted with lies and or fallacies ridicule your post. Every single one of those Ethnic groups are existent and only government/official dealings are in European languages. Culture is very alive bruh....
Nobody said the culture is dead. in the Americas, despite centuries of slavery and colonization, the diaspora some how kept the culture alive .
So of course africans in africa would.
But is it the same as pre imperialism?
U telling me, alot of the old tribes, cultures, languages etc. are not defunct?
U telling me, alot of the ppl didnt turn their back on tradition, for a western way of life? and dont let me get started, on Islam's impact on African culture.
? you're high, what ethnic groups are defunct? What ethnic languages are defunct? What cultures are defunct?
it's okay to research and post facts but quit it bruh -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »Apologize for what???
Even after slavery, there was Jim Crow and Segregation.
Africans werent the ones lynching, and ? , and having u pick cotton.
African werent slave masters, in the Americas, Caribbean. And Australia.
These ? above aint african, theyre Australians enslaved in Australia .
This is a depiction of Native Americans enslavement, In America.
Before africans were slaves, in america. native americans were enslaved.
do africans need to apologize to natives and the Australians, as well???
? Need to stop playing stupid, ya know who damn well need not to apologize, but pay up reperations instead.
lol Other people doing wrong after you doesn't absolve you from the wrong you've done.
That said, apologies from anyone is pointless. Apologies don't change what happened and won't help blacks in the West improve their current station.
What wrong ?
Ya ? failed to realize, that slavery was a part of eastern cultures. Like polygamy....
The Africans and European practice of slavery, is what orange juice is to orange soda. Both are beverages, have orange in the name, but are different ? .
They sold us boo hoo, we were prisoners of war. Its logical. They were exchanging commodities.
Europeans wanted workers. the Europeans werent over they're saying give us the best men and women we can ? , maim, and work worse than cattles .
Were Africans, regulating slavery in the u.s, south ,central america and the carribean???
Native Americans sold other tribes of natives to the Europeans. But whites know better than to feed that , its your fault b.s' to them, like they do us. And ? is insulting.
The morale of the story is, dont trust krackas. But uncle ben ass ? , want to point the finger at other ? .
which is no different, than the baboons who babble black on black crime, sagging pants, rap music, its a decoy to protect white suprrmacy.
Come on son, do you not know the difference between mitigating factors and reasonable excuses? Everything you put up there is a mitigating factor meaning it might lighten the severity of what they did, but it doesn't excuse. Africans sold their brothers and sisters to Europeans. There's no changing that and there's no justifying it. So take that ? somewhere else.
White supremacy is the ever present factor that's been there keeping us down, but get the ? outta here acting like the internal problems in the community don't play a part in keeping us down too.
Africans didnt sell theyre brothas and sistas, they sold their enemies.
It's no different then how the Europeans , Asians and native Americans got down.
In Europe, they were killing each other, ? each other, enslaving each other, its crazy how much the European map changed.
Its all about tribe, clan and nation.
blacks are all brothers and sisters due to white supremacy ,and realizing we have a common enemy.
Riddle me this tho, say everything happened the way it did, but instead the europeans made us indentured servants.
it wasnt as brutal, and we can work our way outta slavery, after several years. then become citizens with all the rights, access, and freedom.
would we be sitting here in the middle of 2014, blamimg Africans for slavery?
Nope.
So why we doing it now .its clear whos responsible for the past 400 years ? .
Dont be scared. Point ya ? made fingers, at the real culprits. -
Really bruh?It was just 180 years ago that slavery was abolished. How are we not affected? If African really cared for us they would make an effort to identify and assign us to a specific tribe. But they won't.
http://www.thenorthstarnews.com/fullstory/story/england-abolished-slavery-180-years-ago-this-month-and-slaveholders-received-the-equivalent-of-200-billion-reparations
England Abolished Slavery 180 Years Ago this Month, and Slaveholders Received the Equivalent of $200 Billion in Reparations
Black History
by Frederick H. Lowe
Staff Writer, The NorthStar News & Analysis
August 1 passed quietly, but it shouldn't have because it is an important day in the history of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade and a strong reminder as to why large numbers of blacks never got a leg up on the economic ladder.
On August 1, 1834, England, the world's biggest slave trader, ended 250 years of a "national crime" against Africans, but slaveholders and slave traders were paid millions of British pounds in reparations for the loss of their property, as slaves were considered.
The British government paid the slaveholders and others who benefited from the Trans-Atlantic slave trade £20 million or about $200 billion in today's currency, according to the book "Britain's Black Debt: Reparations for Caribbean Slavery and Native Genocide," by Sir Hilary McD. Beckles, chair of social and economic history at the University of the West Indies in Cave Hill, Barbados. Formerly enslaved Africans received nothing.
Supporters and beneficiaries of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade included members of the royal family, most members of Parliament, and the Anglican Church, which owned slaves and plantations in the Caribbean.
U just speaking out your ass now. This aint the same Africa, from when ya ancestors was sold 500 years ago.
Africans were imperialized, colonized and enslaved themselves.
most African countrys had to gain independence in the 1950's, and 60's. they as confused, as we are,more or less.
The primary languages in Africa these days, are European. Them tribes, u wanna be assigned to are barely existant. The culture is white washed.
In west, north, and mid Africa they mainly speak French, thats why former enslaved French speaking islands, like Martinique, St. Lucia, Guadaloupe, Dominica, Haiti , acknowledge theyre African roots. cause we can casually communicate with one another.
The reason i pointed that out, is to show how white washed Africa has become.
Truth and facts tainted with lies and or fallacies ridicule your post. Every single one of those Ethnic groups are existent and only government/official dealings are in European languages. Culture is very alive bruh....
Nobody said the culture is dead. in the Americas, despite centuries of slavery and colonization, the diaspora some how kept the culture alive .
So of course africans in africa would.
But is it the same as pre imperialism?
U telling me, alot of the old tribes, cultures, languages etc. are not defunct?
U telling me, alot of the ppl didnt turn their back on tradition, for a western way of life? and dont let me get started, on Islam's impact on African culture.
? you're high, what ethnic groups are defunct? What ethnic languages are defunct? What cultures are defunct?
it's okay to research and post facts but quit it bruh
? u just wanna argue, A town up peace out ? . -
Africans didnt sell theyre brothas and sistas, they sold their enemies.
It's no different then how the Europeans , Asians and native Americans got down.
In Europe, they were killing each other, ? each other, enslaving each other, its crazy how much the European map changed.
Its all about tribe, clan and nation.
blacks are all brothers and sisters due to white supremacy ,and realizing we have a common enemy.
Riddle me this tho, say everything happened the way it did, but instead the europeans made us indentured servants.
it wasnt as brutal, and we can work our way outta slavery, after several years. then become citizens with all the rights, access, and freedom.
would we be sitting here in the middle of 2014, blamimg Africans for slavery?
Nope.
So why we doing it now .its clear whos responsible for the past 400 years ? .
Dont be scared. Point ya ? made fingers, at the real culprits.
When I say brothas and sistas, I'm talking about fellow black Africans. Enemies or not, they were the same people and of the same stock, and they sold them to foreigners. Nothing you're saying erases that fact. The fact that every other group of people on Earth did it also, still doesn't make it right. Your arguments are starting to sound like the ? that little kids say when they get caught getting doing something wrong.
As for your question, the first Africans that came to America with Europeans actually were indentured servants not slaves. They basically held the same status as the whites that came over and needed a way to pay for their trip. Of course Africans were blamed for that. However, there was a transition made from indentured servitude to chattel slavery, and the Africans left behind knew that and still continued to sell other Africans. You can't change that fact.
You act like by acknowledging that Africans sold other Africans that we're somehow excusing Whites. Only a ? would think like that. The Europeans are responsible for their own actions, so everything they put us through and continue to put us through is still on them. That doesn't change the fact that Africans played a part too. And you can call my fingers "? made" or whatever other little simple minded insults you can come up with. It doesn't change history or facts. Accept that ? and move on.
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Osirus_Jenkins wrote: »They don't need to apologize. They didn't know what they were selling their brothers and sisters into. I guess they figured they would be treated like they were treated as indentured servants in Africa. They had no idea the atrocities that would befall the black American and if they did I'm positive they would have regretted and ceased selling them to whites. White people bring their evils with them and they spread like a ? disease.
Yeah. They had no idea and couldnt fathom the evilness Europeans had in mind and the "foreverness" they were thinking. Africa was basically a tropical paradise where people had sun and fun. The Europeans came from a frozen wasteland of dreariness where you had to steal and be underhanded to survive. Some white people wanna try to shift some of the blame on Africans but nobody falls for it. Desparate to even try.
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »
Africans didnt sell theyre brothas and sistas, they sold their enemies.
It's no different then how the Europeans , Asians and native Americans got down.
In Europe, they were killing each other, ? each other, enslaving each other, its crazy how much the European map changed.
Its all about tribe, clan and nation.
blacks are all brothers and sisters due to white supremacy ,and realizing we have a common enemy.
Riddle me this tho, say everything happened the way it did, but instead the europeans made us indentured servants.
it wasnt as brutal, and we can work our way outta slavery, after several years. then become citizens with all the rights, access, and freedom.
would we be sitting here in the middle of 2014, blamimg Africans for slavery?
Nope.
So why we doing it now .its clear whos responsible for the past 400 years ? .
Dont be scared. Point ya ? made fingers, at the real culprits.
When I say brothas and sistas, I'm talking about fellow black Africans. Enemies or not, they were the same people and of the same stock, and they sold them to foreigners. Nothing you're saying erases that fact. The fact that every other group of people on Earth did it also, still doesn't make it right. Your arguments are starting to sound like the ? that little kids say when they get caught getting doing something wrong.
As for your question, the first Africans that came to America with Europeans actually were indentured servants not slaves. They basically held the same status as the whites that came over and needed a way to pay for their trip. Of course Africans were blamed for that. However, there was a transition made from indentured servitude to chattel slavery, and the Africans left behind knew that and still continued to sell other Africans. You can't change that fact.
You act like by acknowledging that Africans sold other Africans that we're somehow excusing Whites. Only a ? would think like that. The Europeans are responsible for their own actions, so everything they put us through and continue to put us through is still on them. That doesn't change the fact that Africans played a part too. And you can call my fingers "? made" or whatever other little simple minded insults you can come up with. It doesn't change history or facts. Accept that ? and move on.
Dude africans were foreigners amongst them selves. especially back then, they had waaaaaaay more tribes and languages.
u looking at it from the stand point , of a black guy living in 2014 America.
As oppose, to an African in Africa back then, where their world was black.
No different then how Asians , Amerindians, and Europeans saw themselves. When u around different ppl, that's when u realize who u the same with.
Were the africans, the one to switch from indentured, to chattel slavery? u know who was responsible ? .
Yes ? , when u blame Africans u take blame away from Europeans.
And they know that, every time they do u wrong, what they do? find something to blame u for.
Its a white supremacist tatic, to negate blame, switch topic, n pin it on who they wronged.
Its one thing to acknowledge ,that Africans play a role . its another to blame them, and want an apology.thats asinine.
If u sell 2 ppl guns , one person killed with his, the other saved a life, which one is u responsible for?
The africans sold their captives to whites but , who is respnsible for our treatment in America ?
Even after slavery ? , we could of turn ? up, and burn ? down. we didnt all we wanted was a fair shot in society, what we got instead?
Its the Africans fault too right?
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It was just 180 years ago that slavery was abolished. How are we not affected? If African really cared for us they would make an effort to identify and assign us to a specific tribe. But they won't.
http://www.thenorthstarnews.com/fullstory/story/england-abolished-slavery-180-years-ago-this-month-and-slaveholders-received-the-equivalent-of-200-billion-reparations
England Abolished Slavery 180 Years Ago this Month, and Slaveholders Received the Equivalent of $200 Billion in Reparations
Black History
by Frederick H. Lowe
Staff Writer, The NorthStar News & Analysis
August 1 passed quietly, but it shouldn't have because it is an important day in the history of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade and a strong reminder as to why large numbers of blacks never got a leg up on the economic ladder.
On August 1, 1834, England, the world's biggest slave trader, ended 250 years of a "national crime" against Africans, but slaveholders and slave traders were paid millions of British pounds in reparations for the loss of their property, as slaves were considered.
The British government paid the slaveholders and others who benefited from the Trans-Atlantic slave trade £20 million or about $200 billion in today's currency, according to the book "Britain's Black Debt: Reparations for Caribbean Slavery and Native Genocide," by Sir Hilary McD. Beckles, chair of social and economic history at the University of the West Indies in Cave Hill, Barbados. Formerly enslaved Africans received nothing.
Supporters and beneficiaries of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade included members of the royal family, most members of Parliament, and the Anglican Church, which owned slaves and plantations in the Caribbean.
U just speaking out your ass now. This aint the same Africa, from when ya ancestors was sold 500 years ago.
Africans were imperialized, colonized and enslaved themselves.
most African countrys had to gain independence in the 1950's, and 60's. they as confused, as we are,more or less.
The primary languages in Africa these days, are European. Them tribes, u wanna be assigned to are barely existant. The culture is white washed.
In west, north, and mid Africa they mainly speak French, thats why former enslaved French speaking islands, like Martinique, St. Lucia, Guadaloupe, Dominica, Haiti , acknowledge theyre African roots. cause we can casually communicate with one another.
The reason i pointed that out, is to show how white washed Africa has become.
Truth and facts tainted with lies and or fallacies ridicule your post. Every single one of those Ethnic groups are existent and only government/official dealings are in European languages. Culture is very alive bruh....
Nobody said the culture is dead. in the Americas, despite centuries of slavery and colonization, the diaspora some how kept the culture alive .
So of course africans in africa would.
But is it the same as pre imperialism?
U telling me, alot of the old tribes, cultures, languages etc. are not defunct?
U telling me, alot of the ppl didnt turn their back on tradition, for a western way of life? and dont let me get started, on Islam's impact on African culture.
? you're high, what ethnic groups are defunct? What ethnic languages are defunct? What cultures are defunct?
it's okay to research and post facts but quit it bruh
Languages like igbo are quickly dying while english is rising. There are soo may children who don't know how to speak or even understand their native language nowadays. -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »
Africans didnt sell theyre brothas and sistas, they sold their enemies.
It's no different then how the Europeans , Asians and native Americans got down.
In Europe, they were killing each other, ? each other, enslaving each other, its crazy how much the European map changed.
Its all about tribe, clan and nation.
blacks are all brothers and sisters due to white supremacy ,and realizing we have a common enemy.
Riddle me this tho, say everything happened the way it did, but instead the europeans made us indentured servants.
it wasnt as brutal, and we can work our way outta slavery, after several years. then become citizens with all the rights, access, and freedom.
would we be sitting here in the middle of 2014, blamimg Africans for slavery?
Nope.
So why we doing it now .its clear whos responsible for the past 400 years ? .
Dont be scared. Point ya ? made fingers, at the real culprits.
When I say brothas and sistas, I'm talking about fellow black Africans. Enemies or not, they were the same people and of the same stock, and they sold them to foreigners. Nothing you're saying erases that fact. The fact that every other group of people on Earth did it also, still doesn't make it right. Your arguments are starting to sound like the ? that little kids say when they get caught getting doing something wrong.
As for your question, the first Africans that came to America with Europeans actually were indentured servants not slaves. They basically held the same status as the whites that came over and needed a way to pay for their trip. Of course Africans were blamed for that. However, there was a transition made from indentured servitude to chattel slavery, and the Africans left behind knew that and still continued to sell other Africans. You can't change that fact.
You act like by acknowledging that Africans sold other Africans that we're somehow excusing Whites. Only a ? would think like that. The Europeans are responsible for their own actions, so everything they put us through and continue to put us through is still on them. That doesn't change the fact that Africans played a part too. And you can call my fingers "? made" or whatever other little simple minded insults you can come up with. It doesn't change history or facts. Accept that ? and move on.
Pan Africanism and the concept of "blackness" didn't exist during that time.
Are French people the same as Slavs?
Are Albanians the same as Greeks?
Are Chinese the same as Mongols?
No. Africans, for the most part, did not sell their own people, thats what white supremacists teach. The British enslaved hundreds of thousands of Irish but you would never say they sold their own people
the other bolded is wrong and isn't supported by any facts. the first Africans to go to the Americas didn't come back. Slavery in Africa was more like European indentured servitude and in some places slaves could become powerful figures in society (Ancient Egypt, ). most slaves in western and central africa weren't even enslaved their whole life and their children were not slaves. chattel slavery only really existed in Northern Africa, near Europe. -
D0wn is probably white, like i've always suspected. He says ? like this to distract from his racist comments.
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When they talk about giving me my 40acers and a mule.....
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Turfaholic wrote: »I wanna thank them for this jewelry and tattoos
I got a healthy laugh outta this one
Sometimes when you see a quick hitter like this while scrolling the page kinda fast the ? is just hilarious.
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JerryfromJerz wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »
Africans didnt sell theyre brothas and sistas, they sold their enemies.
It's no different then how the Europeans , Asians and native Americans got down.
In Europe, they were killing each other, ? each other, enslaving each other, its crazy how much the European map changed.
Its all about tribe, clan and nation.
blacks are all brothers and sisters due to white supremacy ,and realizing we have a common enemy.
Riddle me this tho, say everything happened the way it did, but instead the europeans made us indentured servants.
it wasnt as brutal, and we can work our way outta slavery, after several years. then become citizens with all the rights, access, and freedom.
would we be sitting here in the middle of 2014, blamimg Africans for slavery?
Nope.
So why we doing it now .its clear whos responsible for the past 400 years ? .
Dont be scared. Point ya ? made fingers, at the real culprits.
When I say brothas and sistas, I'm talking about fellow black Africans. Enemies or not, they were the same people and of the same stock, and they sold them to foreigners. Nothing you're saying erases that fact. The fact that every other group of people on Earth did it also, still doesn't make it right. Your arguments are starting to sound like the ? that little kids say when they get caught getting doing something wrong.
As for your question, the first Africans that came to America with Europeans actually were indentured servants not slaves. They basically held the same status as the whites that came over and needed a way to pay for their trip. Of course Africans were blamed for that. However, there was a transition made from indentured servitude to chattel slavery, and the Africans left behind knew that and still continued to sell other Africans. You can't change that fact.
You act like by acknowledging that Africans sold other Africans that we're somehow excusing Whites. Only a ? would think like that. The Europeans are responsible for their own actions, so everything they put us through and continue to put us through is still on them. That doesn't change the fact that Africans played a part too. And you can call my fingers "? made" or whatever other little simple minded insults you can come up with. It doesn't change history or facts. Accept that ? and move on.
Pan Africanism and the concept of "blackness" didn't exist during that time.
Are French people the same as Slavs?
Are Albanians the same as Greeks?
Are Chinese the same as Mongols?
No. Africans, for the most part, did not sell their own people, thats what white supremacists teach. The British enslaved hundreds of thousands of Irish but you would never say they sold their own people
the other bolded is wrong and isn't supported by any facts. the first Africans to go to the Americas didn't come back. Slavery in Africa was more like European indentured servitude and in some places slaves could become powerful figures in society (Ancient Egypt, ). most slaves in western and central africa weren't even enslaved their whole life and their children were not slaves. chattel slavery only really existed in Northern Africa, near Europe.
The answer to your questions is no. However you ask the wrong questions. Did Euros ally themselves with traditional enemies to fight Arab, ? , etc... invaders? Yes.
Did the various Chinese clans that had warred for centuries ally themselves to fight against the Mongols? Yes.
Did tribes of Native Americans that had been enemies more often than not join each other to fight Europeans? Yes.
So let's not act like other groups were able to see past petty tribal issues in order to fight more dangerous foreign invading forces.
All this is besides the point though. Down is trying to act as if Africans should get a pass for their parts in the Slave Trade. They shouldn't. I'm not saying that we're supposed equate their deeds to those of the Europeans. That would be silly. I'm not saying they need to apologize. In my very first post, I said that's unnecessary. However, none of that changes the fact that they did play a part and it wasn't a positive part. -
I swear I was looking at the Ghanaian apology like word...? Y'all only apologizing to AA. I play ball later on with some Africans actually.apology accepted now lets move forward and both get this money and power so both our descendants can live in a better world. By the way that apology from ghana extended to all people of the african diaspora not just african americans i have a brother in ghana and he lives better than he ever did in jamaica or america.
Zombie just prolly saved a ? life.
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I swear I was looking at the Ghanaian apology like word...? Y'all only apologizing to AA. I play ball later on with some Africans actually.apology accepted now lets move forward and both get this money and power so both our descendants can live in a better world. By the way that apology from ghana extended to all people of the african diaspora not just african americans i have a brother in ghana and he lives better than he ever did in jamaica or america.
Zombie just prolly saved a ? life.
most Jamaicans are Akans i thinkThe Lonious Monk wrote: »JerryfromJerz wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »
Africans didnt sell theyre brothas and sistas, they sold their enemies.
It's no different then how the Europeans , Asians and native Americans got down.
In Europe, they were killing each other, ? each other, enslaving each other, its crazy how much the European map changed.
Its all about tribe, clan and nation.
blacks are all brothers and sisters due to white supremacy ,and realizing we have a common enemy.
Riddle me this tho, say everything happened the way it did, but instead the europeans made us indentured servants.
it wasnt as brutal, and we can work our way outta slavery, after several years. then become citizens with all the rights, access, and freedom.
would we be sitting here in the middle of 2014, blamimg Africans for slavery?
Nope.
So why we doing it now .its clear whos responsible for the past 400 years ? .
Dont be scared. Point ya ? made fingers, at the real culprits.
When I say brothas and sistas, I'm talking about fellow black Africans. Enemies or not, they were the same people and of the same stock, and they sold them to foreigners. Nothing you're saying erases that fact. The fact that every other group of people on Earth did it also, still doesn't make it right. Your arguments are starting to sound like the ? that little kids say when they get caught getting doing something wrong.
As for your question, the first Africans that came to America with Europeans actually were indentured servants not slaves. They basically held the same status as the whites that came over and needed a way to pay for their trip. Of course Africans were blamed for that. However, there was a transition made from indentured servitude to chattel slavery, and the Africans left behind knew that and still continued to sell other Africans. You can't change that fact.
You act like by acknowledging that Africans sold other Africans that we're somehow excusing Whites. Only a ? would think like that. The Europeans are responsible for their own actions, so everything they put us through and continue to put us through is still on them. That doesn't change the fact that Africans played a part too. And you can call my fingers "? made" or whatever other little simple minded insults you can come up with. It doesn't change history or facts. Accept that ? and move on.
Pan Africanism and the concept of "blackness" didn't exist during that time.
Are French people the same as Slavs?
Are Albanians the same as Greeks?
Are Chinese the same as Mongols?
No. Africans, for the most part, did not sell their own people, thats what white supremacists teach. The British enslaved hundreds of thousands of Irish but you would never say they sold their own people
the other bolded is wrong and isn't supported by any facts. the first Africans to go to the Americas didn't come back. Slavery in Africa was more like European indentured servitude and in some places slaves could become powerful figures in society (Ancient Egypt, ). most slaves in western and central africa weren't even enslaved their whole life and their children were not slaves. chattel slavery only really existed in Northern Africa, near Europe.
The answer to your questions is no. However you ask the wrong questions. Did Euros ally themselves with traditional enemies to fight Arab, ? , etc... invaders? Yes.
Did the various Chinese clans that had warred for centuries ally themselves to fight against the Mongols? Yes.
Did tribes of Native Americans that had been enemies more often than not join each other to fight Europeans? Yes.
So let's not act like other groups were able to see past petty tribal issues in order to fight more dangerous foreign invading forces.
All this is besides the point though. Down is trying to act as if Africans should get a pass for their parts in the Slave Trade. They shouldn't. I'm not saying that we're supposed equate their deeds to those of the Europeans. That would be silly. I'm not saying they need to apologize. In my very first post, I said that's unnecessary. However, none of that changes the fact that they did play a part and it wasn't a positive part.
you're changing the subject, i'm just replying specifically to when you said Africans (a heterogeneous people) sold each other -
JerryfromJerz wrote: »
I swear I was looking at the Ghanaian apology like word...? Y'all only apologizing to AA. I play ball later on with some Africans actually.apology accepted now lets move forward and both get this money and power so both our descendants can live in a better world. By the way that apology from ghana extended to all people of the african diaspora not just african americans i have a brother in ghana and he lives better than he ever did in jamaica or america.
Zombie just prolly saved a ? life.
most Jamaicans are Akans i thinkThe Lonious Monk wrote: »JerryfromJerz wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »
Africans didnt sell theyre brothas and sistas, they sold their enemies.
It's no different then how the Europeans , Asians and native Americans got down.
In Europe, they were killing each other, ? each other, enslaving each other, its crazy how much the European map changed.
Its all about tribe, clan and nation.
blacks are all brothers and sisters due to white supremacy ,and realizing we have a common enemy.
Riddle me this tho, say everything happened the way it did, but instead the europeans made us indentured servants.
it wasnt as brutal, and we can work our way outta slavery, after several years. then become citizens with all the rights, access, and freedom.
would we be sitting here in the middle of 2014, blamimg Africans for slavery?
Nope.
So why we doing it now .its clear whos responsible for the past 400 years ? .
Dont be scared. Point ya ? made fingers, at the real culprits.
When I say brothas and sistas, I'm talking about fellow black Africans. Enemies or not, they were the same people and of the same stock, and they sold them to foreigners. Nothing you're saying erases that fact. The fact that every other group of people on Earth did it also, still doesn't make it right. Your arguments are starting to sound like the ? that little kids say when they get caught getting doing something wrong.
As for your question, the first Africans that came to America with Europeans actually were indentured servants not slaves. They basically held the same status as the whites that came over and needed a way to pay for their trip. Of course Africans were blamed for that. However, there was a transition made from indentured servitude to chattel slavery, and the Africans left behind knew that and still continued to sell other Africans. You can't change that fact.
You act like by acknowledging that Africans sold other Africans that we're somehow excusing Whites. Only a ? would think like that. The Europeans are responsible for their own actions, so everything they put us through and continue to put us through is still on them. That doesn't change the fact that Africans played a part too. And you can call my fingers "? made" or whatever other little simple minded insults you can come up with. It doesn't change history or facts. Accept that ? and move on.
Pan Africanism and the concept of "blackness" didn't exist during that time.
Are French people the same as Slavs?
Are Albanians the same as Greeks?
Are Chinese the same as Mongols?
No. Africans, for the most part, did not sell their own people, thats what white supremacists teach. The British enslaved hundreds of thousands of Irish but you would never say they sold their own people
the other bolded is wrong and isn't supported by any facts. the first Africans to go to the Americas didn't come back. Slavery in Africa was more like European indentured servitude and in some places slaves could become powerful figures in society (Ancient Egypt, ). most slaves in western and central africa weren't even enslaved their whole life and their children were not slaves. chattel slavery only really existed in Northern Africa, near Europe.
The answer to your questions is no. However you ask the wrong questions. Did Euros ally themselves with traditional enemies to fight Arab, ? , etc... invaders? Yes.
Did the various Chinese clans that had warred for centuries ally themselves to fight against the Mongols? Yes.
Did tribes of Native Americans that had been enemies more often than not join each other to fight Europeans? Yes.
So let's not act like other groups were able to see past petty tribal issues in order to fight more dangerous foreign invading forces.
All this is besides the point though. Down is trying to act as if Africans should get a pass for their parts in the Slave Trade. They shouldn't. I'm not saying that we're supposed equate their deeds to those of the Europeans. That would be silly. I'm not saying they need to apologize. In my very first post, I said that's unnecessary. However, none of that changes the fact that they did play a part and it wasn't a positive part.
you're changing the subject, i'm just replying specifically to when you said Africans (a heterogeneous people) sold each other
I didn't change the subject. I addressed your stance by pointing out that heterogeneous groups for regions banded together to fight off foreign invaders all the time. So it's not nearly as crazy to expect that Africans wouldn't knowingly sell other Africans into Chattel slavery just because they were from different tribes.
Aside from that, I was just letting you know that that wasn't even the key point in the debate Down and I were having.
