Nas vs. Rakim...has the student surpassed the teacher??
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NasBoth in my top 5 but I gotta go with NAS. IMO Nas has better albums than Rakim
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NasAbsolutely
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RakimNo Rakim is better and makes the better music. Paid In Full is still better than any Nas album
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RakimAs much of a Nas fan as I am, Rakim pioneered so much and I think affected more emcees style all things considered. Kinda like the Kobe/Jordan debate. Nas has had a brilliant career for the most part but Rakim never really played himself/sold out and although he doesn't drop regularly now, I'd bet anything he hasn't lost a step.
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NasNo Rakim is better and makes the better music. Paid In Full is still better than any Nas album
Paid in Full better than illmatic? Rakim isnt as versatile as Nas is when it comes to subject matter.
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NasInB4 OG 5 Grand come through.....
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Rakim
Yes Paid In Full is better than Illmatic which is Nas best album. Everything Nas has rapped about Rakim has rapped about. They have both covered the same subject matter on songs. So i dunno what u talking about. THey both have the same strengths which are technical rapping, complex rapping, intricate rhyming, flow. Both are spitters rather than musicians. But Rakim is the better -
RakimEsco running away with the poll...re-up
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NasAs much of a Nas fan as I am, Rakim pioneered so much and I think affected more emcees style all things considered. Kinda like the Kobe/Jordan debate. Nas has had a brilliant career for the most part but Rakim never really played himself/sold out and although he doesn't drop regularly now, I'd bet anything he hasn't lost a step.
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RakimBuilt 4 cuban linx wrote: »As much of a Nas fan as I am, Rakim pioneered so much and I think affected more emcees style all things considered. Kinda like the Kobe/Jordan debate. Nas has had a brilliant career for the most part but Rakim never really played himself/sold out and although he doesn't drop regularly now, I'd bet anything he hasn't lost a step.
When has nas sold out?
ummmm...ever since IWW cats been saying he compromised for more record sales. Hell, even Biggie had that rhyme going at Nas where he was like "mcs was on some cruddy ? , heard ready to die, studied ? " (something to that effect). Then he started doing tracks wit Diddy, not to mention his infamous "you owe me" song which (although I personally think it's a cool cut) made many people (namely Jigga) look at him as a hypocrite after making "black girl lost" and ? like that. Nas's contradictions have always caused debate as far as the consistency/authenticity of his vision. -
Eh, I think G Rap influenced Nas more.
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NasNot even gonna vote on this one but I'm a say this.....Rakim is Nas father
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NasThe ? is the point of typing "ummmm"? Anyway
So let me get this straight, he sold out for sales on IWW with a positive song called if I ruled the world but because it's a r&b hook he's selling out? And don't bring up the content on the whole album cause it's not like illmatic was on some pro black positively ? either. 2, making a record with diddy is selling out now? That's dumb as ? and 3, that owe me vs black girl lost is weak. But let me ask you, is Tupac a sell out? -
RakimRakim is the better mc to me.
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RakimBuilt 4 cuban linx wrote: »The ? is the point of typing "ummmm"? Anyway
So let me get this straight, he sold out for sales on IWW with a positive song called if I ruled the world but because it's a r&b hook he's selling out? And don't bring up the content on the whole album cause it's not like illmatic was on some pro black positively ? either. 2, making a record with diddy is selling out now? That's dumb as ? and 3, that owe me vs black girl lost is weak. But let me ask you, is Tupac a sell out?
what does this have to do with 2pac?? also, explain Biggie's line if I'm talking out my ass
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Rakimmetal face terrorist wrote: »Eh, I think G Rap influenced Nas more.
perhaps on subject matter, but technique is all Rakim
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NasVerse for Verse, lyric for lyric they're about even.
However, Nas did more with his career. He got better production and made more albums.
Rakim took a hiatus in the mid 90s while Nas, Big and Pac were blowing up. Then he came back in 1997 with The 18th Letter which was cool but it didn't compare to what Puffy was doing in the mainstream (No Way Out/Life After Death) or what spitters like Wu Tang were doing in the underground (Wu tang Forever).
Rakim didn't fall off lyrically, but ever since he broke up with Eric B he hasn't reached his full potential. Back in High school I thought Eric B was the weak link, But when you look back at Rakim's career he made his best music with Eric B. Everybody thought when he went solo he was going to drop the bomb but his solo work has been more like a firecracker than a bomb. -
NasCatalog wise its a no brainer for me. Rakim is the pioneer but Nas has surpassed him I'd say. Both legendary of course
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Rakim
Dude nas is not better than rakim everything nas has done today is all due to the ? mc. Rakim never compromised his music for mainstream success. That why its easy to say such things like nas is better. Just because nas had alot more success & has more notable material doesnt mean he is better. Paid in full is just as much of a classic as illmatic is. Illmatic was more impactful because of its youthfulness. Around that time mc's like jay,big,rea,ghost,mobb were just hitting the seen. Illmatic was like the introduction to that era. But bar for bar classic for classic impact for impact the ? mc birthed nas period. He is the ? mc for a reason.
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NasBuilt 4 cuban linx wrote: »The ? is the point of typing "ummmm"? Anyway
So let me get this straight, he sold out for sales on IWW with a positive song called if I ruled the world but because it's a r&b hook he's selling out? And don't bring up the content on the whole album cause it's not like illmatic was on some pro black positively ? either. 2, making a record with diddy is selling out now? That's dumb as ? and 3, that owe me vs black girl lost is weak. But let me ask you, is Tupac a sell out?
what does this have to do with 2pac?? also, explain Biggie's line if I'm talking out my ass
Smh cause you just basically described Tupac
And yes biggie was talking out of his ass and since you're sitting here not forming your own so are you. Can you explain how exactly it was written sounds like nas took biggie style in the first place? -
Nas
Dude nas is not better than rakim everything nas has done today is all due to the ? mc. Rakim never compromised his music for mainstream success. That why its easy to say such things like nas is better. Just because nas had alot more success & has more notable material doesnt mean he is better. Paid in full is just as much of a classic as illmatic is. Illmatic was more impactful because of its youthfulness. Around that time mc's like jay,big,rea,ghost,mobb were just hitting the seen. Illmatic was like the introduction to that era. But bar for bar classic for classic impact for impact the ? mc birthed nas period. He is the ? mc for a reason.
I hear what your saying, but Rakim took a 5 year hiatus in the mid 90s and Nas came in and snatched the crown.
In the mid 90s, we used to argue all day about who was the GOAT, was it KRS or Rakim? Those were the two choices and every once in a while somebody would throw another name into the conversation but generally speaking those were the two choices, Rakim or KRS.
But Rakim didn't come with the classic 5 mic album. He made us wait for 5 years and dropped a 3.5 mic album.
It may sound silly now, but his debut solo album would have been better with one or two Puff Daddy tracks and one or two Beats By The Pound tracks. And maybe a RZA track.
The same way Puffy Executive Produced Life After Death, that's how Rakim's album should have sounded. A few commercial tracks, a few underground tracks and everything else right in the middle. -
RakimBuilt 4 cuban linx wrote: »Built 4 cuban linx wrote: »The ? is the point of typing "ummmm"? Anyway
So let me get this straight, he sold out for sales on IWW with a positive song called if I ruled the world but because it's a r&b hook he's selling out? And don't bring up the content on the whole album cause it's not like illmatic was on some pro black positively ? either. 2, making a record with diddy is selling out now? That's dumb as ? and 3, that owe me vs black girl lost is weak. But let me ask you, is Tupac a sell out?
what does this have to do with 2pac?? also, explain Biggie's line if I'm talking out my ass
Smh cause you just basically described Tupac
And yes biggie was talking out of his ass and since you're sitting here not forming your own so are you. Can you explain how exactly it was written sounds like nas took biggie style in the first place?
Look Biggie said the ? while you getting all defensive smh. But to humor you, the Escobar/Mafioso ? Nas was on at the time (especially with the Firm and all) was out of character to some extent considering the person he portrayed himself to be on Illmatic. Biggie felt he was swagger jackin the k.o.n.y. ? . I ain't even gonna entertain the 2pac comparison though so miss me with that.
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RakimAny rapper who can not utter one cuss word or gun bar in his rhymes & still be one of the hardest rappers of all time Is the best ever imo. Dude was basically a gangsta rapper without the gangsta content.
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ummmm, yes.
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NasRakim is top 5 DOA no doubt but Nas has had the better career and has been more consistent throughout his career.
Rakim is dope but Nas is just better