The Official 2016-2017 NBA Thread (NBA Champs Warriors)
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Shizlansky wrote: »KnowReasonForPeace wrote: »Lebron literally quit on the cavs. You can never say that abput jordan. Regardless lebron can still be considered the goat with more play.
He did quit.
He went play baseball
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KnowReasonForPeace wrote: »KnowReasonForPeace wrote: »NoCanadiansEH wrote: »
Always showing up in the playoffs will matter when that goat discussion is had. Taking games off and losing to a clearly inferior team doesnt help.
But Jordan has had ? playoff games too. Contrary to popular belief he wasn't perfect and had some bad playoff games when his team needed him too
Has he ever been accused of playing passive or scared? I laugh when people say that they wanna see the RoboBron or whatever they call him.
MJ was in destroy mode at all times. If his shot ain't fallin, he at least was giving full effort and not playing scared. You don't have to worry about which MJ is gonna show up. Lebron don't have that killer instinct that Jordan and Kobe possess. I'ts why little ? and role players like DeShawn Stevenson, Lance, Draymond don't have no problem stepping to him. Lebron is a great player but he can be frustrating to watch at times.
While I agree LeBron can be confusing to watch at times it amazing how people forget just how much Jordan let the Pistons get to him and all the complaining he did. Go look at the Bad Boys documentary NBA TV did and they have footage in it of MJ whining about how the Pistons played him and how it was bad for the game and needed to be done away with. MJ is the goat but he wasn't this perfect player who never had a bad game. He had his share of bad playoff games too...less than most but he had moments he didn't always show up
Beating ? up on the court isn't good defense man. That ? was bad for the game Jordan always showed up in the playoffs and i dont think anyone say he never had had games, just none in the playoffs
MJ had bad games in the playoffs as well.
The difference is NO ONE could ever question MJ effort and say he quit on his team.
MJ always played hard and did everything he could to win whether his shot was falling or not.
There has been more than one occasion where people could ask those questions of LeBron and that ? is going to always follow him.
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Breezy_Kilroy wrote: »Anybody taking Kawhi over KD or vice versa?
And is KD still a top 5 player?
My mans strongly believes KD isn't top 5 anymore because he didn't make 1st team. I think that's a ? reason. Before KD got injured he was the definition of efficient.
KD top 2 arguably, and top 3 for sure. Just cause he not asked to do as much on the warriors doesnt mean he cant take over if he needs too. -
KnowReasonForPeace wrote: »Lebron literally quit on the cavs. You can never say that abput jordan. Regardless lebron can still be considered the goat with more play.
Kobe quit on the Lakers in a game 7 when he literally refused to shoot for an entire half while his team blew a 3-1 series lead yet nobody ever mentions that....and the LeBron quit stuff is over stated. People bring up the Boston series while forgetting in the elimination game the ? had a triple double. That's a hell of a way to quit -
KnowReasonForPeace wrote: »Lebron literally quit on the cavs. You can never say that abput jordan. Regardless lebron can still be considered the goat with more play.
Kobe quit on the Lakers in a game 7 when he literally refused to shoot for an entire half while his team blew a 3-1 series lead yet nobody ever mentions that....and the LeBron quit stuff is over stated. People bring up the Boston series while forgetting in the elimination game the ? had a triple double. That's a hell of a way to quit
He quit against the magic and nobody saying kobe better than jordan either thats why he not mentioned so why bring him up? -
What's the plan for the pistons? They gonna be mediocre next year?
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DAMN they let kanter back in the country..
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KnowReasonForPeace wrote: »Lebron literally quit on the cavs. You can never say that abput jordan. Regardless lebron can still be considered the goat with more play.
Kobe quit on the Lakers in a game 7 when he literally refused to shoot for an entire half while his team blew a 3-1 series lead yet nobody ever mentions that....and the LeBron quit stuff is over stated. People bring up the Boston series while forgetting in the elimination game the ? had a triple double. That's a hell of a way to quit
Lebron also had 9 turnovers in that game, but he definitely didn't quit. The game before tho. They got destroyed at home by 32 and Lebron played like ? (3 of 14). Most embarrassing loss of Lebron's career IMO. -
Bron didn't quit last night...Celtics are just better than the Cavaliers that's all
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Breezy_Kilroy wrote: »Anybody taking Kawhi over KD or vice versa?
And is KD still a top 5 player?
My mans strongly believes KD isn't top 5 anymore because he didn't make 1st team. I think that's a ? reason. Before KD got injured he was the definition of efficient.
To me it's a toss up. KD still a top 5 player in this league. He just doesn't have to carry the load as much offensively, but he's shooting a career high FG% in the regular season and postseason. Offensively both as a scorer and passer it's still him>>Kawhi by a slight margin, but Kawhi's defense is second to none. Kawhi had the better season to me just because more is being asked of him and he's delivered, but he has to continue to play at this level and do more as a passer for me to definitively say he's ahead of KD. -
KnowReasonForPeace wrote: »KnowReasonForPeace wrote: »Lebron literally quit on the cavs. You can never say that abput jordan. Regardless lebron can still be considered the goat with more play.
Kobe quit on the Lakers in a game 7 when he literally refused to shoot for an entire half while his team blew a 3-1 series lead yet nobody ever mentions that....and the LeBron quit stuff is over stated. People bring up the Boston series while forgetting in the elimination game the ? had a triple double. That's a hell of a way to quit
He quit against the magic and nobody saying kobe better than jordan either thats why he not mentioned so why bring him up?
What?? Nah chill Bron balled the ? outta that series Orlando was just a legit better team with tge Michael Jordan of Turkey, Juiced up Rarshard Lewis, and prime Dwight in the paint lol. -
KnowReasonForPeace wrote: »KnowReasonForPeace wrote: »Lebron literally quit on the cavs. You can never say that abput jordan. Regardless lebron can still be considered the goat with more play.
Kobe quit on the Lakers in a game 7 when he literally refused to shoot for an entire half while his team blew a 3-1 series lead yet nobody ever mentions that....and the LeBron quit stuff is over stated. People bring up the Boston series while forgetting in the elimination game the ? had a triple double. That's a hell of a way to quit
He quit against the magic and nobody saying kobe better than jordan either thats why he not mentioned so why bring him up?
What?? Nah chill Bron balled the ? outta that series Orlando was just a legit better team with tge Michael Jordan of Turkey, Juiced up Rarshard Lewis, and prime Dwight in the paint lol.
I kinda forgot orlando was stacked and they were the better team.I still feel like lebron quit from what i saw. -
KnowReasonForPeace wrote: »Lebron literally quit on the cavs. You can never say that abput jordan. Regardless lebron can still be considered the goat with more play.
Kobe quit on the Lakers in a game 7 when he literally refused to shoot for an entire half while his team blew a 3-1 series lead yet nobody ever mentions that....and the LeBron quit stuff is over stated. People bring up the Boston series while forgetting in the elimination game the ? had a triple double. That's a hell of a way to quit
? ALWAYS bring that up tho. Especially here. Along with "Snitched on Shaq" -
Expected but Millsap officially opted out
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Millsap about to get 32 mil
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PanchoYoSancho wrote: »Breezy_Kilroy wrote: »Anybody taking Kawhi over KD or vice versa?
And is KD still a top 5 player?
My mans strongly believes KD isn't top 5 anymore because he didn't make 1st team. I think that's a ? reason. Before KD got injured he was the definition of efficient.
To me it's a toss up. KD still a top 5 player in this league. He just doesn't have to carry the load as much offensively, but he's shooting a career high FG% in the regular season and postseason. Offensively both as a scorer and passer it's still him>>Kawhi by a slight margin, but Kawhi's defense is second to none. Kawhi had the better season to me just because more is being asked of him and he's delivered, but he has to continue to play at this level and do more as a passer for me to definitively say he's ahead of KD.
Lmaooo by a slight margin
They not in the same gym offensively
Give me KD on defense too since he guarding 1-5
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Atlanta needs to go ahead and trade Dwight
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its....JOHN B wrote: »Atlanta needs to go ahead and trade Dwight
Dwight needs to understand he's a 2nd/3rd fiddle. Him an milsap a perfect pair up front if he stops acting like a ? ? and gets with the program. -
KnowReasonForPeace wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »KnowReasonForPeace wrote: »Lebron literally quit on the cavs. You can never say that abput jordan. Regardless lebron can still be considered the goat with more play.
He did quit.
He went play baseball
Father died and gambling that was covered up by stern. Thats not quitting champ.
That gambling thing is a conspiracy theory -
its....JOHN B wrote: »Atlanta needs to go ahead and trade Dwight
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This ? league is headed for a lockout in 3-4 years.
Not sure when contracts giving out $30M+ per year was the business. Bron might be the only one worthy of all that money on a yearly basis (and I'd cap him at $35M/yr), but random muhfuckers is about to get 4 or 5-yr/$180-200M contracts thrown at them.
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its....JOHN B wrote: »Atlanta needs to go ahead and trade Dwight
To where? lol
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Tommy bilfiger wrote: »Tommy bilfiger wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »
I watched... The announcer talking bout Bron aint have no rythm in the warm up ... hint hint wink wink.... now watch next game a blow out.
This is stupid bruh.They aren't throwing games on purpose all it takes is one kyrie or love injury in game 4 or 5 or 6 to end their title chances.Give boston credit
Cavs literally live by the 3 they weren't hittin them in the 2nd half like they were in the 1st and got yoked + their weak ass defense got exposed.Ball movement and off ball movement is their kryptonite
Why Bron ain't attack the rim or try hard? He had driving lanes and would lob passes out for no reason. I don't understand how u go from killing like that aggressively and shooting jumpers to not trying at all
Cuz he rather "make the right play" I don't know to be honest.
Games like this are why I can't put him and MJ in the same convo. MJ's Bulls take care of business against a wounded opponent. This is literally the equivalent of having Reggie Miller go down for the rest of the series only to have Travis Best have a career night agaisnt you.
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PanchoYoSancho wrote: »Breezy_Kilroy wrote: »Anybody taking Kawhi over KD or vice versa?
And is KD still a top 5 player?
My mans strongly believes KD isn't top 5 anymore because he didn't make 1st team. I think that's a ? reason. Before KD got injured he was the definition of efficient.
To me it's a toss up. KD still a top 5 player in this league. He just doesn't have to carry the load as much offensively, but he's shooting a career high FG% in the regular season and postseason. Offensively both as a scorer and passer it's still him>>Kawhi by a slight margin, but Kawhi's defense is second to none. Kawhi had the better season to me just because more is being asked of him and he's delivered, but he has to continue to play at this level and do more as a passer for me to definitively say he's ahead of KD.
Lmaooo by a slight margin
They not in the same gym offensively
Give me KD on defense too since he guarding 1-5
Is this really a conversation
For some. This is a convo I was in on. My response ain't on here cuz it's too long
X: how are they (GS) worse with a top 5 player added?you smoking
My mans: If you know anything about basketball that don't mean ? he top 5 but didn't even make all NBA 1st team that top 5 spot closing..I want whatever y'all on
X: nah kawhi not better than KD yet
My mans: Shidddd you say he own LeBron he definitely owns KD every time they play lol who got a finals MVP and 2 DPOY before 25? Not KD all he got is a MVP and a few scoring titles -
KnowReasonForPeace wrote: »KnowReasonForPeace wrote: »NoCanadiansEH wrote: »
Always showing up in the playoffs will matter when that goat discussion is had. Taking games off and losing to a clearly inferior team doesnt help.
But Jordan has had ? playoff games too. Contrary to popular belief he wasn't perfect and had some bad playoff games when his team needed him too
Has he ever been accused of playing passive or scared? I laugh when people say that they wanna see the RoboBron or whatever they call him.
MJ was in destroy mode at all times. If his shot ain't fallin, he at least was giving full effort and not playing scared. You don't have to worry about which MJ is gonna show up. Lebron don't have that killer instinct that Jordan and Kobe possess. I'ts why little ? and role players like DeShawn Stevenson, Lance, Draymond don't have no problem stepping to him. Lebron is a great player but he can be frustrating to watch at times.
While I agree LeBron can be confusing to watch at times it amazing how people forget just how much Jordan let the Pistons get to him and all the complaining he did. Go look at the Bad Boys documentary NBA TV did and they have footage in it of MJ whining about how the Pistons played him and how it was bad for the game and needed to be done away with. MJ is the goat but he wasn't this perfect player who never had a bad game. He had his share of bad playoff games too...less than most but he had moments he didn't always show up
Beatung ? up on the court isn't good defense man. That ? was bad for the game Jordan always showed up in the playoffs and i dont think anyone say he never had had games, just none in the playoffs
I agree the "I can't stop you so ima hurt you" defensive strategy is ? and that's why I laugh when people say players were so much better in the past.
MJ did have bad playoff games though. For instance everyone remembers Jordan dropping 63 pts vs Boston but its never mentioned the next game he went 8-18 wit 5 turnovers. Another elimination game he shot 9-30 and lost. Another game he shot 5-15 in a game and his team lost the series lead and eventually the series itself. 1990 ECF game he shot 7-19...he's had bad playoff games. ? have just been brainwashed by only seeing his highlight reels people now think he never made any mistakes
All valid.. Thing is.. Once Mike figured out how to win.. He didnt stink up the joint again. Thats the difference..
