Are there any emcees that are top 20 artist of all time?
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Aaliyah woudlve have been on Beyonce status if she made it home that day.
She had the album in place, her movies where about to come out she was ready to blow..no doubt
No other female artist at the time was singing and dancing other than Janet. And in 04 Cirara came with it.
Aaliyah influenced alot of r&b singers especially Beyonce...A LOT. If you wanna mention Bey dont forget Aaliyah
so you're putting her in based on potential?
Not just what she would have been if she didnt pass. But based on what she left us with
but in comparison and over Aretha Franklin, Celine Dion, etc. -
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Aaliyah woudlve have been on Beyonce status if she made it home that day.
She had the album in place, her movies where about to come out she was ready to blow..no doubt
No other female artist at the time was singing and dancing other than Janet. And in 04 Cirara came with it.
Aaliyah influenced alot of r&b singers especially Beyonce...A LOT. If you wanna mention Bey dont forget Aaliyah
so you're putting her in based on potential?
Not just what she would have been if she didnt pass. But based on what she left us with
but in comparison and over Aretha Franklin, Celine Dion, etc.
I wouldnt compare Aaliyah to Aretha or Celine way different situation
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Oh....
Aaliyah woudlve have been on Beyonce status if she made it home that day.
She had the album in place, her movies where about to come out she was ready to blow..no doubt
No other female artist at the time was singing and dancing other than Janet. And in 04 Cirara came with it.
Aaliyah influenced alot of r&b singers especially Beyonce...A LOT. If you wanna mention Bey dont forget Aaliyah
so you're putting her in based on potential?
Not just what she would have been if she didnt pass. But based on what she left us with
but in comparison and over Aretha Franklin, Celine Dion, etc.
I wouldnt compare Aaliyah to Aretha or Celine way different situation
but this is for Top 20 Artist of all time, you're taking Aaliyah over Aretha or Celine or Ella Fitzgerald or Dolly P or Nina Simone -
I think yall are underrating talent and overrating others... Just cause they sang/played instruments better doesnt mean the poetry/expression wasnt equal in the many different eras of music.
Music cannot be broken down as yall are trying to do, because it is a tool of individuals, so everyone will naturally have a different top 20.
While its good to see peoples opinions, these kinds of questions create senseless bicker of emotional fans trying to get everyone to conform to their taste.
I personally find several Aaliyah songs just as memorable as Patti or Aretha songs even though the performance may not be technically as sound. You cant take away from the fact that we still talk about and hear her music.
Art is about expression and as far as im concerned rappers like Tupac had me more convinced than alot of artist regardless of genre. His whole life was his art, hip hop in itself is a whole art form. Its ? to act as if theres some red carpet onto this "list".
Its not about how many instruments you can play, songs you can produce or hits you can make, its what people who listen feel.
Quincy Jones aint no ? artist -
Flo-Rida.
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In due time I would say that as far as crafting music, Dilla and Madlib would be eligible for inclusion. Obviously due to their popularity (lack thereof) they would be unlikely to be considered. Some would argue Dr. Dre i'm sure, although I wouldn't due to how much he relied on others throughout his career. I think if we're going for a clearcut pick it'd have to be Jay-Z/Nas/Pac. A lot of folks would put Em up there too but I think that's ? ridiculous. Dude crafted his style off too many other cats and failed to really expand upon like Nas did with Rakim. Just my 2 cents.
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Tommy bilfiger wrote: »Shouts to timbalands production for makin that ? blow up
and I dont get into record sales I dont give a fucc how much either sold
Beyonce is better lookin,more talented,can actually sing,can act,has better albums,could dance better than aaliyah.Beyonce>>>>>aaliyah it aint even close
Stop puttin people on pedestals just cuz they die
I can't hate on Menace's opinion, but real talk, this. If you got together a consortium of who's who in music 10 years from now (hell even now), Bey is taking it over Aaliyah no doubt. She alrdy has so many clones its insane and that will only continue. Most aspiring singers these days have vague, if any, memory of who Aaliyah is. Here career pretty much lived or died based on her association with Timbo. Bey garnered success from DC and beyond.
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Pac,Em,Jay,Wayne,Snoop,kanye,LL,Wu Tang,Dr. Dre
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Pac,Em,Jay,Wayne,Snoop,kanye,LL,Wu Tang,Dr. Dre
damn that's pretty interesting, you're saying ten of the top 20 artist of all time would be rappers -
i like how yall dont have no latin artists in your lists. how sheltered are your musical tastes? like carlos santana isn't a top 20 artist of all time. what about celia cruz? maybe manu chao, marc anthony? ? .
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I'm saying they all have the potential to be on that list.Eminem would make that list for sure and Pac -
2 pac was voted the 86th Greatest Rock 'n Roll Artist of all time by Rolling Stone.
In a 2005 Rolling Stones Magazine Vote, Tupac was named #6 of the '100 immortal artists of all time' behind the likes of Elvis and Lennon
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_menace_ = Drake??
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This is a great thread with slot of good points/opinions. I just wanna ask tho, what would be your definition of a artist and what makes a good artist?
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reason why hip hop artists have a hard time being top 20 is because hip hop in itself doesn't respect longevity, instead it downplays it. If Rakim, who was an innovator and maybe the greatest lyricist of all time, was to drop an album today 95% of hip hop fans would say, "why that old ass ? still rapping he should quit" In other genres longevity is an accomplishment, while in hip hop you hear "damn jay z is 45 he got nothing else to do but rap?" because of that we don't let our artists develop and mature for the most part and so we can't claim anyone in the top 20 musician list.
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I think there could be some rappers in a top 20 all time list. Musically, most of those all time list should be black artist. Overrated acts like Elvis and The Beattles from a musical standpoint have no replay value today and live strictly off popularity from their time. As where artist like Prince, Michael Jackson, Marvin Gaye, Aretha Franklin, Patti LaBelle, etc produced quality music that stood the test of time
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The Beatles..Overrated?
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texasdaking88 wrote: »_menace_ = Drake??
LMAO
Naw Aaliyah is a top 20 singer for me
That list was basically my 20 favorite musicians I know she's not top 20'of all time
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Why would a ? have all those white-people in his top 20 artist of all-time? Our music is better then theirs...You giving the props why? So you gonna act like we don't live in a white dominating society...is that why you giving them some much praise? Don't get me wrong music is universal but I my just can't see us giving them alot of praise if we had our on control.
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hip hop as a genre has produced some of the most creative and socially conscious lyrics of our time...
Pac, Big, Nas, and Jay belong in this discussion from a lyrical standpoint... -
En-Fuego22 wrote: »Why would a ? have all those white-people in his top 20 artist of all-time? Our music is better then theirs...You giving the props why? So you gonna act like we don't live in a white dominating society...is that why you giving them some much praise? Don't get me wrong music is universal but I my just can't see us giving them alot of praise if we had our on control.
Who's list are you talking about? this was mines on the first page
15 blacks out of 20
Frank Sinatra
Tupac
Nas
Mariah Carey
Bob Marley
Marvin Gaye
Jimi Hendrix
The Beatles
Whitney Houston
Micheal Jackson
James Brown
Bruce Springsteen
Elvis
Rick James
The Temptations
Al Green
Aaliyah (YES AALIYAH)
Madonna
Stevie Wonder
Prince -
"hip hop" heads are the weakest of any genre... they are actually scared to defend their genre... hip hop will never get its due because of the yellow bellied ? who profess to love it...
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@_menace_ lol at frank ? Sinatra...no way dude.
No way on Aaliyah either fam
Bruce Springsteen no way.
James brown is dope but no way.
No way on Madonna
No way on rick James.
All talented! But top 20 no. The rest of your list is solid add billy joel, Elton john, em, Nas, jay, outkast, incubus, led Zeppelin, Curtis mayfield and paramore. You got a great list. -
The only contenders are 2Pac, Jay-Z, and Lauryn Hill. Nas, not quite.
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soul rattler wrote: »The only contenders are 2Pac, Jay-Z, and Lauryn Hill. Nas, not quite.
One album Lauryn Hill?...No way on Pac...Yeah he has a message (sometimes)...but if you're gonna include a rapper in a top 20 of all time, he needs to be a premier lyricist...Pac is not that...Like I said earlier...One of the followin'...
Ice Cube...Nas...Jay-Z...Common...Andre 3K
