Tupac - 'Troublesome 96' Appreciation thread!!! Smh@ how slept on he is lyrically, just smh...
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international wrote: »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdX79pwyBII
Menacin' methods label me a lethal weapon
Making ? die witnessin' breathless imperfections
Can you picture my specific plan
To be the man in this wicked land,underhanded hits are planned
Scams are plotted over grams and rocks
[song version 1:] Undercover agents die by the random shots
[song version 2:] Outlaws ? die by the random shots
We all die in the end, so revenge we swore
I was all about my ends, ? friends and foes
Me, a born leader, never leave the block without my heata
Got me a dog and named her my ? ? eata
What could they do to me that little brat
? them ? shot me and still terrified, I'll get their ass
How can I show you how I feel inside
We outlawz motherfuckas can't ? my pride
? talk a lot of ? but that's after I'm gone
Cause they fear me in physical form let it be known
I'm troublesome
[Chorus (spoken):]
Tra la la la la la all ya ? die [several times]
Troublesome ? , outlaw, put it down to the fullest, spittin rhymes and bullets, haha.
We troublesome, yall know what time it is, call the punk police, they cant stop us, ? run the streets
Trouble ?
Gutter ways my mentality is ghetto
We're guerrillas in this criminal war, we all rebels
Death before dishonor bet on bomb on them first ? do
We came for murder, pullin' up in a herse
Westside was the war cry bustin' all freely screaming ?
All ya'll ? in Swahili
Pistol packin' fresh out of jail, I ain't goin' back
Release me to care of my heartless strap
Say my name three times like Candyman
Bet I roll on your ass like an avalance
A soul survivor, learned to get high and pull drive bys
Murder my foes, can't control my nine
Hearin' thoughts of my enemies pleadin' please
Busta ass motherfuckas tried to flee
Picture me letting this chump survive
Redin' up on his ass when I'm doped and died
Cause I'm troublesome
[Chorus (spoken):]
Young, strapped, and I dont give a ? , I'm hopeless.
I live a thuglife losing my focus, baby.
I'm troublesome, haha Badboy killer, there is no one realer, what you saw was the rough rugged and raw.
Outlaw. Outlaw.
Murder murder my mind states ? ain't change since my last rhyme
The crime rate ain't decline
? bustin' shots like they lost their mind
Like twenty-five to life never crossed their mind
Tell me young ? never learned a thang
Dead at thirteen cause he yearned to bang
Sent a lot of flowers, but how can I cry
Try to warn a little ? either stop or die
Mercy is for the weak when I speak I scream
Afraid to sleep in havin' of crazy dreams
Vivid pictures of my enemies and family times
? to forgive me cause it's wrong but I plan to die
Either take me in heaven and understand I was a G'
Did the best I could, raised in insanity
Or send me to hell cause I ain't beggin' for my life
Ain't nothing worse than this cursed ass hopeless life
I'm troublesome
Foh, your fav rapper ain't ? wit this ? !!!!
The bolded was my favorite line, I use to say that ? all the time
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One of my favorite Pac tracks.
What better way than to watch him perform it live.
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of course pac was lyrical. you ask any real pac fan what's their favorite pac lyric they will name alot. people who aren't lyrical to me are like Gucci and waka. ? who need a beat and face would look like fright night if you told them to spit acapella. alot of people claim that pacs production sucked( i don't agree ) but he's still considered one of the GOATS or GOAT in people's opinion. how the ? isn't that lyrical? sometimes ? act like beats was carrying that ? his whole career or something. people need to stop with this whole he had no wordplay ? . he didn't need it. do people honestly think that songs like dear mama and keep your head up would be as affective if he had Canibus( no offense) wordplay on those songs?
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Built 4 cuban linx wrote: »of course pac was lyrical. you ask any real pac fan what's their favorite pac lyric they will name alot. people who aren't lyrical to me are like Gucci and waka. ? who need a beat and face would look like fright night if you told them to spit acapella. alot of people claim that pacs production sucked( i don't agree ) but he's still considered one of the GOATS or GOAT in people's opinion. how the ? isn't that lyrical? sometimes ? act like beats was carrying that ? his whole career or something. people need to stop with this whole he had no wordplay ? . he didn't need it. do people honestly think that songs like dear mama and keep your head up would be as affective if he had Canibus( no offense) wordplay on those songs?
Yeah pac knew when to being lyrical and when not to be -
Id play this song before football games.
Leave the field ? .
Wasnt my blood. -
There go ? mixing charisma and subject matter = Lyricism
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My ? always give me ? when I dont put pac in my top10. I understand why cats do....i aint knocking they preference...i would put jay, em, nas, big, tip & 3k ahead of pac. Thats just how I feel. All those I listed have some of the same qualities pac had. Realness, chrisma, lyricism, flow, impact, storytelling, and just str8 making catchy songs.
Something bout the IC where some ? think if u dont like what they like, u hatin, u a stan, or u dont know hiphop. We outta HS my ? . -
international wrote: »mryounggun wrote: »cainvelasquez wrote: »mryounggun wrote: »What ? mean when they say Pac ain't that lyrical isn't that he couldn't rap. They saying that in terms of lyrics, there were FAR better lyricists. That doesn't mean he didn't have dope lyrics. This track is proof of that. But his ? wasn't really complicated. What you see is what you get.
His lyrics are intentionally straightforward, from the heart and that's what make them real. They don't have to be complicated. You have more technical lyricists in the game, but they aren't necessarily better. It's just a different style of writing a poem.
Agreed. Not knocking Pac. Bun B said some real ? one time and it applies to Pac 100%. 'Sometimes you don't wanna hear a ? do tricks on the microphone. Sometimes you just wanna hear the truth.'. But there were cats who were MUCH better technical lyricists. Doesn't make them better rappers. Just better lyricists.
Why do ? start tripping when people say that?
Cuz technical in that sense that yall mean, does not make them better lyricists, simply lyricists with other purpose...
Menacin' methods label me a lethal weapon
Making ? die witnessin' breathless imperfections
Can you picture my specific plan
To be the man in this wicked land, underhanded hits are planned
^^^you don't think he pulled more than a few tricks on that track alone? and he executed whilst still having some depth, substance and a purpose.
Where is the skill in just rhyming long and technical words or using scientific terminology (or whatever the field) without any sense of direction, and not really standing for nothing, having no depth or message? ? makes them even weaker imo.
First, of all...no, I don't thank he pulled any tricks at all on this track. But it's still dope, lyrically. Second of all, you still ain't listening. Don't lump me in with the ? who think the Canibus style of rapping is the definition of lyrical. I ? AGREE with you, my ? ; a lot of times the ? is impressive but a lot of times its overcomplicated and just makes it appear like the ? so the ? because their is no actual substance in the ? . But that's not what I mean.
When I say 'tricks', I mean lyrics that are top in terms of just putting words together AND have a meaning beyond what is obvious or has a double entendre or ? you might have to listen to more than once to catch all the different meanings. For example, the 2nd verse in D'evils. I don't think Pac ever had a verse like that. I might be wrong though, I dunno. -
international wrote: »Undergroundraplegend wrote: »How this trend of "pac isnt lyrical" I dont know how came to be here in IC
Because he wasn't spittin like this:
The club scene is a regular hangout spot for unclean
women in tight jeans frontin like queens
Chickenheads who should be home takin care of their eggs
Instead, they always in the club flirtin with men
No I don't care about no hype-no-holic ? ; all I'm concerned with
is who's bringin they burners in to burn ?
While security practice is mediocre proportions
? is still stealthily sneakin they firearms in
Often, ? be acting like they're marksmen
but couldn't hit a stationary object
So how you gonna hit a movin target? Especially if you alcoholic
The party was coconuts until you spoiled it
? what's goin on?
or this
[Canibus]
Now if a ? sucks yo' ? , for five dollars per square inch
and gets forty dollars, includin a five dollar tip
How big was the ? she just sucked? (Say what?)
Say how big was the ? she just sucked? (What?)
If you a ? with a watch, that's iced out
with enough rocks to make the hottest room temperature drop
How long will it take for you to get robbed? (Say what?)
How long will it be before you get robbed? (What?)
Now if your song played on the radio for the first time
four days ago, now the ? is rotational
Who got paid off to play it? (I ain't scared to say it)
Say who the ? got paid off to play it? (I ain't scared to say ? )
If you sign a recordin deal for less than a quarter mill'
and your advance is a hundred-thousand dollar automobile
I know the vehicle was probably beautiful (Yeah it's tight)
But did you ask your lawyer if it was recoupable?
It's nigganometry.. [echoes]
SMH!!! Now read the ish and compare the substance of it, no comparison!!!
This is the I.c's definition of being lyrical, foh!
Bis raps circles around Pac.
? outta here. -
? above me caught feelings
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dont mean to double post but this song needs a appreciation
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love this ? . -
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Bis raps circles around Pac.
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Co-sign, if Pac was around when Bis started to get some shine and they decided to collab with each other, Pac would catch a seizure trying to hang with the ? . -
Word. Pac and the Outlawz killed this joint. This ? needed more shine.
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Undergroundraplegend wrote: »? above me caught feelings
Nope.
I just stated what a person with a properly functioning brain would realize. -
anybody sayin pac wasn't lyrical, answer me this...
how is it that pac wasn't technical and what not when his flow was his signature?
how many emcee's got that same cookie cutter flow, especially those who "spit lyrics"
they put words together but they all sound alike, just one said this and another cat said that.
pac created his own ? flow.
you know off tops if somebody is biting his flow now.
didn't nobody sound like pac before pac.
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young_reezy wrote: »anybody sayin pac wasn't lyrical, answer me this...
how is it that pac wasn't technical and what not when his flow was his signature?
how many emcee's got that same cookie cutter flow, especially those who "spit lyrics"
they put words together but they all sound alike, just one said this and another cat said that.
pac created his own ? flow.
you know off tops if somebody is biting his flow now.
didn't nobody sound like pac before pac.
That's a good point, Pac ain't emulated no ones flow and its even harder to see another artist's influence in his music...damn, and ppl wonder why PAc is perceived the way he is.
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Undergroundraplegend wrote: »? above me caught feelings
Nope.
I just stated what a person with a properly functioning brain would realize.
not really pal try again you ur sayin he can rap circles around him if your implying who can rap and include irrelevant BS to look more ''technical.'' in his verse then yeah otherwise no -
Undergroundraplegend wrote: »Undergroundraplegend wrote: »? above me caught feelings
Nope.
I just stated what a person with a properly functioning brain would realize.
not really pal try again you ur sayin he can rap circles around him if your implying who can rap and include irrelevant BS to look more ''technical.'' in his verse then yeah otherwise no
Exactly, he def ain't goin rap circles around Pac using lyricism that also requires depth and substance behind it. He goin out rap him in y'all eyes, with the kind of lyrics that I posted...smh -
Word, i was reading some of these ballerina enthusiasts paragraphs and was shaking my head the whole way.There go ? mixing charisma and subject matter = Lyricism
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If Pac is Lyrical, so is Chuck D, Ice Cube and Scarface.
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Undergroundraplegend wrote: »dont mean to double post but this song needs a appreciation
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love this ? .
One of my favorite Pac songs but nope.
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Why don't y'all post what's lyrical to y'all then...
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Me, a born leader, never leave the block without my my heater
Got me a dog and named her my ? ? eater -
Passion doesn't equate skills.
Listen to Nas on 'Verbal Intercourse'
Jay on 'Dynasty Intro'
B.I.G. 'My Downfall'
AZ on 'Life's a ? '
Kane on 'Ain't No Half-Steppin'
That's extraordinary lyricism, not the Brenda Got a Baby, White Manz World and etc.
Those are songs with excellent subject matter. -
Pac was influenced by Face, Cube, Chuck D. And yes he is lyrical.
