Can Goku & Vegeta take out the whole Marvel universe
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Goku & Vegeta don't stand a chanceDog, please tell me what Broly has done physically that matches something like this:
The dude literally punched a piece of land the size of city block into space. Nobody from DBZ his hitting like that.
And Thor supposedly threw someone out of the solar system. That's just crazy. -
Goku & Vegeta don't stand a chanceDarkRaiden wrote: »People are under estimating the power the saiyans characters have. People weaker than the hulk have broken the invisable woman force fields. Big ? deal about splitting the moon piccollo destroyed the moon and he is a weakling compared to goku.
Goku is basically the japanese superman with energy powers I don't believe hulk can beat superman so no way is he going to beat goku and vegeta. The ki aura is like the energy that surrounds superman the only difference is that saiyan can turn their off.
And yes vegeta and goku willpower is that strong.
As for doom it might take both goku and vegeta for him but eventually spirit bomb for his ass and it's over.
But Goku and Vegeta aren't stronger than Hulk PHYSICALLY. You're not getting that energy and physical are not the same. No one in DBZ has close to the physical strength of splitting a moon in half with a small little medal.
tf? my ? piccolo destroying the moon and he was weak af here. Some of u just picking your favorites or not accurately comparing these characters physically. I grew watching/reading both american and japanese comics and cartoons.
DBZ never really stressed strength but more power and martial arts. Half the power houses in marvel and dc like superman and sentry are strong as ? but krillin knows more about fighting than them. Fact!
I agree the cosmic dudes and the telepaths would be a problem even doom power stealing ass.
But straight hand to hand fighting DBZ all day.
Hulk my dude but Broly was ? up galaxies in his temper tantrums...not turning green.
Broly ain't even canon bruh. He doesn't exist in the actual timeline. And he didn't do ? to no galaxy. The same galaxy he supposedly destroyed was the one they fought him in! SMH
And ? , Superman knows thousands of yeaars of martial arts. Krillin don't got ? on him. And you tryna make ? too general. Facts is that DBZ aren't physically strong or fast or tough enough to fight these people. If you too weak to hurt them, you can't win. That's just facts. Destroying a moon is energy, not a punch which is what DBZ people default too.
And if you wanna bring up ridiculous feats, we can go there. Hulk's destroyed dimensions/universes before B. You don't want it with the ridiculous ? Hulk does. -
if you're including cosmics/skyfathers/death gods and the like then no. if you're talking about Marvel top tier then that's a discussion that can be had
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Goku & Vegeta don't stand a chanceThere really is no discussion. I'd put the Saiyans at the lower end of the top tier of Earth based heroes. They be forces to be reckoned with no doubt, but at the end of the day, if they needed to be handled they'd get handled with ease.
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People are underestimating the speed , strength and energy powers of the dbz characters and if the marvel characters don't ? them outright goku and vegeta will only come back stronger.
some can't comprehend that DBZ operates on a level that's beyond Marvel or DC, but hey what can you do..Vegeta, well before becoming even close to super saiyan had the power to blow up planets..i mean, it doesn't take much logic to come to a conclusion on who's more powerful. Each time DBZers get a bump in power, some comic heads automatically give Superman and such a bump in power but it doesn't work like that. I'm being generous in saying that Superman and Thor are even on the level of a super saiyan. -
DarkRaiden wrote: »The strongest hulk is the stupid one so he will be easy to outsmart and that will be his weakness. People forget that Dbz characters also have mental powers and are very strong willed so professor x won't easily be able to ? with their minds.
Buu had the power to destroy whole galaxies by the end of the show goku was stronger than him.
Wrong on all bolded....so the whole post. SMH
The strongest Hulk was Worldbreaker aka guy who destroyed a planet by PUNCHING someone equal to him aka one of , if not the smartest Hulk.
DBZ characters have never shown mental powers on Professor X's level. That ? can connect to and ? up BILLIONS of minds at once.
Buu never get close to destroying a galaxy. Just a planet. You thinking of the anime (not canon btw) scene where they show what would happen EVENTUALLY if Buu went on a rampage. Not to mention the galaxy actually had activity in it that suggested that BILLIONS of years would pass before Buu would finish the task, but the main point is....his strongest attack only destroyed a planet.
how many times have we gone over this???? They showed Buu destroying galaxies when the elder kai's were ? bricks at his release. Here you are using WB as an example of the strongest Hulk saying her destroyed a planet. Master Roshi destroyed the moon.. where is he on the scale with Goku and the like? Frieza destroyed planet Vegeta with one attack, while laughing..these DBZ/mainstream comics debates are never good -
DarkRaiden wrote: »The strongest hulk is the stupid one so he will be easy tod outsmart and that will be his weakness. People forget that Dbz characters also have mental powers and are very strong willed so professor x won't easily be able to ? with their minds.
Buu had the power to destroy whole galaxies by the end of the show goku was stronger than him.
Wrong on all bolded....so the whole post. SMH
The strongest Hulk was Worldbreaker aka guy who destroyed a planet by PUNCHING someone equal to him aka one of , if not the smartest Hulk.
DBZ characters have never shown mental powers on Professor X's level. That ? can connect to and ? up BILLIONS of minds at once.
Buu never get close to destroying a galaxy. Just a planet. You thinking of the anime (not canon btw) scene where they show what would happen EVENTUALLY if Buu went on a rampage. Not to mention the galaxy actually had activity in it that suggested that BILLIONS of years would pass before Buu would finish the task, but the main point is....his strongest attack only destroyed a planet.
No way in ? is wwh stronger than stupid hulk dumb hulk has always been recognized as the strongest professor x has problems with alien minds and people with strong will powers. So I don't see him breaking vegeta and goku.
nah, WB was the strongest version of Hulk to date. It was a strokefest during that time..You're thinking about savage hulk, not necessarily dumb hulk. The weakest Hulks were the Gray Hulk and the Professor -
Goku & Vegeta don't stand a chanceWhat do you not get man? You're still going on an on about planet busting ability. That's nothing major in the Marvel and DC universes. Thor once channeled enough energy to wipe out 1/6 of the Universe. Do you think he's blinking at planet busting power? So the Saiyans can charge up for 30 seconds and then blow up a planet. Hulk can destroy planets by punching them. For goodness sake, more often than not Thor has gotten the best of Surfer in fights and the Surfer can destroy stars and black holes. Your sense of power is all screwed up.
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DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »The strongest hulk is the stupid one so he will be easy tod outsmart and that will be his weakness. People forget that Dbz characters also have mental powers and are very strong willed so professor x won't easily be able to ? with their minds.
Buu had the power to destroy whole galaxies by the end of the show goku was stronger than him.
Wrong on all bolded....so the whole post. SMH
The strongest Hulk was Worldbreaker aka guy who destroyed a planet by PUNCHING someone equal to him aka one of , if not the smartest Hulk.
DBZ characters have never shown mental powers on Professor X's level. That ? can connect to and ? up BILLIONS of minds at once.
Buu never get close to destroying a galaxy. Just a planet. You thinking of the anime (not canon btw) scene where they show what would happen EVENTUALLY if Buu went on a rampage. Not to mention the galaxy actually had activity in it that suggested that BILLIONS of years would pass before Buu would finish the task, but the main point is....his strongest attack only destroyed a planet.
No way in ? is wwh stronger than stupid hulk dumb hulk has always been recognized as the strongest professor x has problems with alien minds and people with strong will powers. So I don't see him breaking vegeta and goku.
Yeah Worldbreaker Hulk's literally STATED to be the strongest Hulk. He's also done more.Marvel characters don't like to ? that another weakness they have. And if you don't win against a saiyan in the first fight you will lose the second.
Loki, Thor, Legion, Ghost Rider, Sentry, Magneto, Namor, Black Panther, Doom, Apocalypse, Thanos, MODOK, etc. tons of villains and some heroes don't give a flying ? about killing.
Also word to Buu. Fought Vegeta twice and whooped his ass both times. Same with Cell. And Freezer. Also Buu lost to Gohan the first time, beat him the second time.
DBZ can't get close to winning. Sad thing is that we haven't left New York and Cali yet really. Cosmic is a whole nother ball game. As are the nigh-omnipotents on Earth itself.
Except the cosmic guys I don't see anyone in marvel beating goku maybe thor level guys would give him a fight but the rest lose easy. Like i keep saying people are down playing how fast and strong dbz characters are not to mention they actually know how to fight. The hulk any hulk can't fly and he is slow compared to goku
are you talking about when he was amped by the terrigen mists? you continue to manifest numbers for DBZ out of thin air..that's an interesting talent, especially when we see instances of Gotenks circling the planet several times, while playing around..even having enough time to take naps inbetweenBruh. Quicksilver's ran faster than Radio Waves (Faster than light or FTL btw) and has easily outpaced lightning. NO ONE in DBZ is faster than lightning. They all take 5 minutes to fly like 100 km, making them very slow.
you mean when they were fighting in the world tournament and not taking themselves seriously? how about the time when Piccolo, Yamcha, Krillin, Tien and the entire world was unable to see Goku and Cell fight...and they were just getting warmed up?? or when they couldn't even comprehend what was going on?Also Goten and Trunks were almost COMPLETELY visible to a normal human crowd. DBZ isn't all that fast.
and Deathstroke has tripped up the Flash..is Flash a slowpoke? Thor has never moved in microseconds unless you're talking about straight space flightOh and btw Hulk has hit Quicksilver with ease so he can hit Goku and Vegeta. Thor has moved in microseconds before and hit FTL people and can travel at FTL speeds.
that's.....greatMonica Rambeau IS LIGHT and thus moves at lightspeeds and can absorb UNIVERSES of energy. Oh and she's not even cosmic btw.
ok.....Blue Marvel nearly split a moon in half by throwing a medal. And he also has anti-matter and can put them on his hands to make his hits stronger. He's also not technically cosmic.
actually he can't. Of the ones you've mentioned, the only one even having a chance is Jean Grey and this due to the PFProfessor X can mentally connect with billions of minds, he can mindrape Goku and Vegeta. So can Moondragon, and Jean Grey, and Emma Frost, and Psylocke, and more.
actually Mags can't do this to them but that's nice to bring in his diverse abilitiesMagneto can rip out their blood or EMP their brain and ? them. And his shields are fast and strong enough to block Mjolnir.
yep, that's cool tooHuman Torch can go to temperatures hotter than the sun.
sure she can....sure...except she can't.Invisible woman can place a forcefield inside of them and expand it, killing them. Or just suffocate them with a forcefield around their heads.
yeah this is getting out of control. Doom doesn't stand a chance against themDoom has technology and magic that strips peoples powers from them. He can leave Goku and Vegeta powerless as his forcefield effortlessly blocks and absorbs their energy attacks and easily deflects their physical attacks.Goku and Vegeta ain't ? in the big picture of Marvel Earth even.
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GrandMasterSour wrote: »I disagree with Dr Doom ? with the saiyans. ? not happening and they not that weak.
Silver Surfer alone will beat the ? outta both of them. Instant transmissions not faster than him and a little kamehameha ain't gonna phase him at all. If Norrin touches them, all that super strength and ? is gone.
Blue Marvel will body both of them alone.
I always thought the saiyans were planet busters like hulk but if not, they getting murked.
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Brute force?
U not see me mention Broly?
The androids would wreak havoc in them universes also.
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »Dog, please tell me what Broly has done physically that matches something like this:
The dude literally punched a piece of land the size of city block into space. Nobody from DBZ his hitting like that.
And Thor supposedly threw someone out of the solar system. That's just crazy.
I know where you're going with this, but here's the thing..can you show an example of say Thanos or Galactus doing something similar? It's hard to just say, here's a strength feat, show one comparable when DBZ doesn't focus on strength, neither does Galactus, but you won't argue that Hulk is stronger than Galactus would you? -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »There really is no discussion. I'd put the Saiyans at the lower end of the top tier of Earth based heroes. They be forces to be reckoned with no doubt, but at the end of the day, if they needed to be handled they'd get handled with ease.
ok that's youre opinion..judging by everything shown in DBZ, i'd disagree -
DBZ operates on a higher power level than mainstream comics. This isn't really a debate. It was a big deal when Drax and Thanos destroyed a planet decades ago..this is two above top tier opponents fighting that caused the destruction...Goku and Vegeta had the power to destroy planets before they even went SSJ. Master Roshi had the power to destroy the moon. DBZers actually fight at superhuman speeds...guys like Krillin and Yamcha fight at super human speeds. DBZ is a universe where your average joe can be considered mid-tier in Marvel/DC if not top tier
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Goku & Vegeta would ? them up badlySeems like you naming addition folks. Idgaf what DBZ shows in its cartoon no way two cornball looking characters bodies the entire Marvel and DC Universe.
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Goku & Vegeta don't stand a chance
are you talking about when he was amped by the terrigen mists? you continue to manifest numbers for DBZ out of thin air..that's an interesting talent, especially when we see instances of Gotenks circling the planet several times, while playing around..even having enough time to take naps inbetweenDarkRaiden wrote: »Bruh. Quicksilver's ran faster than Radio Waves (Faster than light or FTL btw) and has easily outpaced lightning. NO ONE in DBZ is faster than lightning. They all take 5 minutes to fly like 100 km, making them very slow.
you mean when they were fighting in the world tournament and not taking themselves seriously? how about the time when Piccolo, Yamcha, Krillin, Tien and the entire world was unable to see Goku and Cell fight...and they were just getting warmed up?? or when they couldn't even comprehend what was going on?Also Goten and Trunks were almost COMPLETELY visible to a normal human crowd. DBZ isn't all that fast.
and Deathstroke has tripped up the Flash..is Flash a slowpoke? Thor has never moved in microseconds unless you're talking about straight space flightOh and btw Hulk has hit Quicksilver with ease so he can hit Goku and Vegeta. Thor has moved in microseconds before and hit FTL people and can travel at FTL speeds.
that's.....greatMonica Rambeau IS LIGHT and thus moves at lightspeeds and can absorb UNIVERSES of energy. Oh and she's not even cosmic btw.
ok.....Blue Marvel nearly split a moon in half by throwing a medal. And he also has anti-matter and can put them on his hands to make his hits stronger. He's also not technically cosmic.
actually he can't. Of the ones you've mentioned, the only one even having a chance is Jean Grey and this due to the PFProfessor X can mentally connect with billions of minds, he can mindrape Goku and Vegeta. So can Moondragon, and Jean Grey, and Emma Frost, and Psylocke, and more.
actually Mags can't do this to them but that's nice to bring in his diverse abilitiesMagneto can rip out their blood or EMP their brain and ? them. And his shields are fast and strong enough to block Mjolnir.
yep, that's cool tooHuman Torch can go to temperatures hotter than the sun.
sure she can....sure...except she can't.Invisible woman can place a forcefield inside of them and expand it, killing them. Or just suffocate them with a forcefield around their heads.
yeah this is getting out of control. Doom doesn't stand a chance against themDoom has technology and magic that strips peoples powers from them. He can leave Goku and Vegeta powerless as his forcefield effortlessly blocks and absorbs their energy attacks and easily deflects their physical attacks.Goku and Vegeta ain't ? in the big picture of Marvel Earth even.
yeah this is just an idiotic statement
Like how you didn't counter anything. BTW Goten and Trunks at base are....weaker than Goku and Cell. You know that right? Also, good to note, Goku and Cell weren't even moving fast enough to complete their fight in anything less than half an hour to an hour. If they were moving ANYWHERE near lightning speed, they're fight would be finished in minutes if not seconds.
Oh and btw, Gotenks circled the world like 4-8 times, took a nap in 30 minutes. 30 minutes is barely lightning speed at best. And Gotenks>>>.Goku and Vegeta by far. AND that's flight speed, not battle speed.
Oh and....invisible woman and Magneto can in fact do that. if they can't, please tell me why. Make sense, don't be biased. -
Seems like you naming addition folks. Idgaf what DBZ shows in its cartoon no way two cornball looking characters bodies the entire Marvel and DC Universe.
We are not talking about how they look it's about the actually power of the characters -
Goku & Vegeta don't stand a chanceThe Lonious Monk wrote: »Dog, please tell me what Broly has done physically that matches something like this:
The dude literally punched a piece of land the size of city block into space. Nobody from DBZ his hitting like that.
And Thor supposedly threw someone out of the solar system. That's just crazy.
I know where you're going with this, but here's the thing..can you show an example of say Thanos or Galactus doing something similar? It's hard to just say, here's a strength feat, show one comparable when DBZ doesn't focus on strength, neither does Galactus, but you won't argue that Hulk is stronger than Galactus would you?
I don't have to show Thanos replicating the same feat because I can show panels of Thanos overpowering the Hulk. I can show scans of Galactus tossing Thor to the side like trash. In other words, there is a comparison for those powerlevels.
Meanwhile, in DBZ we've seen characters like Goku and Vegeta fighting at the absolute top of their power, and they were not knocking people into orbit.DBZ operates on a higher power level than mainstream comics. This isn't really a debate. It was a big deal when Drax and Thanos destroyed a planet decades ago..this is two above top tier opponents fighting that caused the destruction...Goku and Vegeta had the power to destroy planets before they even went SSJ. Master Roshi had the power to destroy the moon. DBZers actually fight at superhuman speeds...guys like Krillin and Yamcha fight at super human speeds. DBZ is a universe where your average joe can be considered mid-tier in Marvel/DC if not top tier
lol You guys keep on clinging to planet busting like its the end all be all. It's not. Again, Surfer has destroyed a planet by simply powering up. Champion destroyed a planet with a punch. Galactus has tossed planets like ninja stars. Now all of those are cosmic characters, but the point is that the threshold in the Marvel comics is much higher than the DBZverse.
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Goku & Vegeta would ? them up badly
2 People from DBZ are not defeating Two whole universes of Beings that have power levels greater than both.
1 on 1, 2 on 2 ok..
2 vs everyone from DC and Marvel
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Ronoro Zoro stronger than all these fools
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Goku & Vegeta don't stand a chanceLol at the Invisible Woman not being able to beat Goku and Vegeta. She's one of the people that can beat them the easiest. I really don't think you guys are considering the powers of the some of these characters. Remember this is a chick that can create invisible constructs INSIDE of people. She could just give the saiyains a massive stroke and their ain't ? they can do about it.
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Goku & Vegeta don't stand a chanceDarkRaiden wrote: »lol Goku who can barely lift 40 tons!? Who can't even survive a planet's destruction? Who needs to breathe? These ? can't beat:
The X-Men
The Avengers
The Fantastic Four
The Defenders
at all. Hell let's start naming solo people:
Invisible Woman
Human Torch
Doctor Doom
Thor
Hulk
Scarlet Witch
Jean Grey
Storm
Professor X
Magneto
Franklin Richards
Legion
Apocalypse
Monica Rambeau
Blue Marvel
Sentry
Iron Man (nukes ftw)
Hyperion
Dr. Strange
Ghost Rider
Magik
Juggernaut
Emma Frost
And this is just Earth, not even cosmic. And that's not even everyone on Earth. Goku and Vegeta die in .004 seconds on a good day.
We don't even need to get Galactus and Thanos and them involved.
The first 4 is ? and you know that fam.
As for the other names on there Ghost Rider can't turn Goku (maybe Vegeta tho), the only names on there that can do anything are Franklin Richards-Twilight Zone ass LOLOL & Scarlet Witch. But I mean I'm sure Bulma would come up with something to stop Franklin if Reed could shut him down I'm sure ? Bulma or King Kai would come up with something. For crying out loud Bulma built a time machine with nuts and bolts. Scarlet Witch can be killed she is human after all. She can be shot to death. I've seen ? shoot caps off at Vegeta and Nappa and them ? aint eem flinch. Goku & Vegeta is cleaning them ? out......
My ? please. Go learn something and come back. You sound stupid. Ghost Rider turn...what? Ghost Rider has hellfire that burns THE SOUL. Penance Stare inflicts all damage you've inflicted on others, on yourself. He can't even be harmed except by magic and holy weapons AND he regularly beats skyfathers (galaxy busters) and those level people such as Mephisto, other Hell Lords, and Archangels.
The first 4? ? what? Invisible woman was already covered, Torch goes at hotter than the sun temperatures (No one in DBZ surviving that unless you like to prove otherwise. And don't use those non-canon movies cause then I uses non-canon scenes of Goku being hurt by A ROCK).
Thor...starbusts ? . Thor's hammer absorbs energy, up to 1/5 of the universe level. Thor has hammer that he can make omniversal and can cover a planet and can hurt multiversal level beings. Thor busts planets with his FISTS. His blasts do much more. They don't want it with Thor.
Doom? He beats Thor. He beats Surfer. His blasts take out people far above planet durability (which Goku nor Vegeta have), he has shields, he has powerful magic that strips people of their powers, he has time machines, time stop, anti-matter weapons, forcefields that can easily hold them, can drain their energy and more.
Scarlet Witch says a word while Goku and Vegeta are talking and all saiyans are extinct. ? . And Bulma ain't in this fight nor has she ever made something actually useful for beating an opponent. King Kai's a ? who's done nothing. Ever. Except train Goku and die.
LOL at bullets. Scarlet Witch turns bullets into flowers because she can. Vegeta, Nappa, Goku all can suffer the same fate. -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »Lol at the Invisible Woman not being able to beat Goku and Vegeta. She's one of the people that can beat them the easiest. I really don't think you guys are considering the powers of the some of these characters. Remember this is a chick that can create invisible constructs INSIDE of people. She could just give the saiyains a massive stroke and their ain't ? they can do about it.
Unlike vegeta She is not a killer and saiyans can make extremly powerful force fields. -
Goku & Vegeta might barely beat themDarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »lol Goku who can barely lift 40 tons!? Who can't even survive a planet's destruction? Who needs to breathe? These ? can't beat:
The X-Men
The Avengers
The Fantastic Four
The Defenders
at all. Hell let's start naming solo people:
Invisible Woman
Human Torch
Doctor Doom
Thor
Hulk
Scarlet Witch
Jean Grey
Storm
Professor X
Magneto
Franklin Richards
Legion
Apocalypse
Monica Rambeau
Blue Marvel
Sentry
Iron Man (nukes ftw)
Hyperion
Dr. Strange
Ghost Rider
Magik
Juggernaut
Emma Frost
And this is just Earth, not even cosmic. And that's not even everyone on Earth. Goku and Vegeta die in .004 seconds on a good day.
We don't even need to get Galactus and Thanos and them involved.
The first 4 is ? and you know that fam.
As for the other names on there Ghost Rider can't turn Goku (maybe Vegeta tho), the only names on there that can do anything are Franklin Richards-Twilight Zone ass LOLOL & Scarlet Witch. But I mean I'm sure Bulma would come up with something to stop Franklin if Reed could shut him down I'm sure ? Bulma or King Kai would come up with something. For crying out loud Bulma built a time machine with nuts and bolts. Scarlet Witch can be killed she is human after all. She can be shot to death. I've seen ? shoot caps off at Vegeta and Nappa and them ? aint eem flinch. Goku & Vegeta is cleaning them ? out......
King Kai's a ?
Lmao
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Goku & Vegeta don't stand a chance@darkraiden had a post on the first page that should have closed this ? thread. NO ? chance for them dragon ball ?
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