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kingblaze84 wrote: »
I agree, Haitians killed off almost all of the White people on the Haitian side of the island. Even the babies lol.....98% of the island consider themselves Black too, you don't see percentages like that on any Caribbean country.
yes but alot of the people who seem 100% african actually had some white in them and that's why the % of the men with white genetics is so high. -
You posted an abstract.
I have the full articles. Link here
Here are some screen shots proving you don't understand what you're talking about
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kingblaze84 wrote: »
I agree, Haitians killed off almost all of the White people on the Haitian side of the island. Even the babies lol.....98% of the island consider themselves Black too, you don't see percentages like that on any Caribbean country.
yes but alot of the people who seem 100% african actually had some white in them and that's why the % of the men with white genetics is so high.
Anything is possible, Haiti is right next to DR, which did and does have a lot of White/Spaniard people. And Haiti and DR were the same nation for over 22 years. I'm still a little skeptical of that genetic study for some reason -
kingblaze84 wrote: »
I agree, I guess the link could be right but Haitians killed off almost all of the White people on the Haitian side of the island. Even the babies lol.....98% of the island consider themselves Black too, you don't see percentages like that in any Caribbean country.
neg yo monJamaicans are mixed with East Indians
The English were there longer than the French were in Haiti
They receive much more nonblack immigration than Haiti
Zombie once again has another crackpot theory
huh? -
First pic shows Haiti only has 1.6% autosomal STRs, 19.8% Y Chromosome SNPs, and 23.4% Y Chromosome STRs in common with Europeans
Jamaica has 12.6%, 19.3% and 23.5%
Second pic shows the adamixture percentages for European genes to be 4.3% for Haiti and 16% for Jamaica
Posting an abstract won't fool people who can actually look at the full articles. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »
I agree, I guess the link could be right but Haitians killed off almost all of the White people on the Haitian side of the island. Even the babies lol.....98% of the island consider themselves Black too, you don't see percentages like that in any Caribbean country.
neg yo monJamaicans are mixed with East Indians
The English were there longer than the French were in Haiti
They receive much more nonblack immigration than Haiti
Zombie once again has another crackpot theory
huh?
You think curry got there on it's own bro? -
the abstract is for the Y CHROMOSOME and it is correct you looked at the full articles but you clearly did not read the whole thing.
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kingblaze84 wrote: »
I agree, I guess the link could be right but Haitians killed off almost all of the White people on the Haitian side of the island. Even the babies lol.....98% of the island consider themselves Black too, you don't see percentages like that in any Caribbean country.
neg yo monJamaicans are mixed with East Indians
The English were there longer than the French were in Haiti
They receive much more nonblack immigration than Haiti
Zombie once again has another crackpot theory
huh?
My Haitian creole is terrible lol....long story -
I read the results. Methodology and introduction are irrelevant to what the findings show and what is concluded in this instance.
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kingblaze84 wrote: »
I agree, I guess the link could be right but Haitians killed off almost all of the White people on the Haitian side of the island. Even the babies lol.....98% of the island consider themselves Black too, you don't see percentages like that in any Caribbean country.
neg yo monJamaicans are mixed with East Indians
The English were there longer than the French were in Haiti
They receive much more nonblack immigration than Haiti
Zombie once again has another crackpot theory
huh?
You think curry got there on it's own bro?
Indians brought weed and curry to Jamaica that doesn't mean they intermarried in great numbers. alot of Indians left Jamaica. your statement implies that there is a substantial Indian population in Jamaica and there is not -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »
I agree, I guess the link could be right but Haitians killed off almost all of the White people on the Haitian side of the island. Even the babies lol.....98% of the island consider themselves Black too, you don't see percentages like that in any Caribbean country.
neg yo monJamaicans are mixed with East Indians
The English were there longer than the French were in Haiti
They receive much more nonblack immigration than Haiti
Zombie once again has another crackpot theory
huh?
My Haitian creole is terrible lol....long story
i only know a few words, i'm only Haitian through one grandmother -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »
I agree, I guess the link could be right but Haitians killed off almost all of the White people on the Haitian side of the island. Even the babies lol.....98% of the island consider themselves Black too, you don't see percentages like that in any Caribbean country.
neg yo monJamaicans are mixed with East Indians
The English were there longer than the French were in Haiti
They receive much more nonblack immigration than Haiti
Zombie once again has another crackpot theory
huh?
My Haitian creole is terrible lol....long story
i only know a few words, i'm only Haitian through one grandmother
I hear ya, I should know more considering my mom's side is fully Haitian....what did that mean though -
kingblaze84 wrote: »
I agree, I guess the link could be right but Haitians killed off almost all of the White people on the Haitian side of the island. Even the babies lol.....98% of the island consider themselves Black too, you don't see percentages like that in any Caribbean country.
neg yo monJamaicans are mixed with East Indians
The English were there longer than the French were in Haiti
They receive much more nonblack immigration than Haiti
Zombie once again has another crackpot theory
huh?
You think curry got there on it's own bro?
Indians brought weed and curry to Jamaica that doesn't mean they intermarried in great numbers. alot of Indians left Jamaica. your statement implies that there is a substantial Indian population in Jamaica and there is not
The significant proportion of Asian dna found in the studies posted says otherwise. -
smh @ giving a masters to someone who doesn't read beyond the abstract
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kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »
I agree, I guess the link could be right but Haitians killed off almost all of the White people on the Haitian side of the island. Even the babies lol.....98% of the island consider themselves Black too, you don't see percentages like that in any Caribbean country.
neg yo monJamaicans are mixed with East Indians
The English were there longer than the French were in Haiti
They receive much more nonblack immigration than Haiti
Zombie once again has another crackpot theory
huh?
My Haitian creole is terrible lol....long story
i only know a few words, i'm only Haitian through one grandmother
I hear ya, I should know more considering my mom's side is fully Haitian....what did that mean though
my fam from all over the Caribbean so i love learning about Haiti and all that
i don't even know if the grammar was right but "neg yo mon" means "my ? " in Kreyol. "neg" being ? (i'm told that neg doesn't hold the same connotation as ? in the United States and is used to refer to Haitian born Haitians (while blan refers to foreigners and foreign born Haitians regardless of race)), yo is the plural marker, mon is "my"
i'm sure a Kreyol-speaker on this site can correct me if wrong -
the jamaican gene pool is more mixed, in other words we have a greater diversity when compared to haitians BUT HAITIAN men HAVE more genetic input from europeans. That's what the study says.
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kingblaze84 wrote: »
I agree, I guess the link could be right but Haitians killed off almost all of the White people on the Haitian side of the island. Even the babies lol.....98% of the island consider themselves Black too, you don't see percentages like that in any Caribbean country.
neg yo monJamaicans are mixed with East Indians
The English were there longer than the French were in Haiti
They receive much more nonblack immigration than Haiti
Zombie once again has another crackpot theory
huh?
You think curry got there on it's own bro?
Indians brought weed and curry to Jamaica that doesn't mean they intermarried in great numbers. alot of Indians left Jamaica. your statement implies that there is a substantial Indian population in Jamaica and there is not
The significant proportion of Asian dna found in the studies posted says otherwise.
You said east indian. Most of the Asian ancestry in Jamaicans is Chinese -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »
I agree, I guess the link could be right but Haitians killed off almost all of the White people on the Haitian side of the island. Even the babies lol.....98% of the island consider themselves Black too, you don't see percentages like that in any Caribbean country.
neg yo monJamaicans are mixed with East Indians
The English were there longer than the French were in Haiti
They receive much more nonblack immigration than Haiti
Zombie once again has another crackpot theory
huh?
My Haitian creole is terrible lol....long story
i only know a few words, i'm only Haitian through one grandmother
I hear ya, I should know more considering my mom's side is fully Haitian....what did that mean though
my fam from all over the Caribbean so i love learning about Haiti and all that
i don't even know if the grammar was right but "neg yo mon" means "my ? " in Kreyol. "neg" being ? (i'm told that neg doesn't hold the same connotation as ? in the United States and is used to refer to Haitian born Haitians (while blan refers to foreigners and foreign born Haitians regardless of race)), yo is the plural marker, mon is "my"
i'm sure a Kreyol-speaker on this site can correct me if wrong
Yeah I gotta hit up some of my Haitian fam and confirm, I'm sure you on the right track. I looked at it literally
Neg often means farmer or something like that in Kreyol. But yep I'm proud of what the Haitians did to the slave owners and the ones who would grow up to be them lol -
smh @ giving a masters to someone who doesn't read beyond the abstract
my masters is in business and agriculture not genetics. Truthfully i did not seek to read the entire STUDY but doing so is not necessary the abstract is enough for the people here -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »
I agree, I guess the link could be right but Haitians killed off almost all of the White people on the Haitian side of the island. Even the babies lol.....98% of the island consider themselves Black too, you don't see percentages like that in any Caribbean country.
neg yo monJamaicans are mixed with East Indians
The English were there longer than the French were in Haiti
They receive much more nonblack immigration than Haiti
Zombie once again has another crackpot theory
huh?
My Haitian creole is terrible lol....long story
i only know a few words, i'm only Haitian through one grandmother
I hear ya, I should know more considering my mom's side is fully Haitian....what did that mean though
my fam from all over the Caribbean so i love learning about Haiti and all that
i don't even know if the grammar was right but "neg yo mon" means "my ? " in Kreyol. "neg" being ? (i'm told that neg doesn't hold the same connotation as ? in the United States and is used to refer to Haitian born Haitians (while blan refers to foreigners and foreign born Haitians regardless of race)), yo is the plural marker, mon is "my"
i'm sure a Kreyol-speaker on this site can correct me if wrong
Yeah I gotta hit up some of my Haitian fam and confirm, I'm sure you on the right track. I looked at it literally
Neg often means farmer or something like that in Kreyol
Do you live in ny, Boston or miami? If so yoU can find a lot of resources on kreyol (classes, websites, college courses etc.) a lot of research has been done on kreyol as opposed to other creole languages like patois -
So you only read the abstracts of papers written by economists and agricultural scientists?
smh
Of course it's enough for the people here, they don't have access to the full articles. They can't verify if you're presenting the full picture nor what the full study actually says. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »
I agree, I guess the link could be right but Haitians killed off almost all of the White people on the Haitian side of the island. Even the babies lol.....98% of the island consider themselves Black too, you don't see percentages like that in any Caribbean country.
neg yo monJamaicans are mixed with East Indians
The English were there longer than the French were in Haiti
They receive much more nonblack immigration than Haiti
Zombie once again has another crackpot theory
huh?
My Haitian creole is terrible lol....long story
i only know a few words, i'm only Haitian through one grandmother
I hear ya, I should know more considering my mom's side is fully Haitian....what did that mean though
my fam from all over the Caribbean so i love learning about Haiti and all that
i don't even know if the grammar was right but "neg yo mon" means "my ? " in Kreyol. "neg" being ? (i'm told that neg doesn't hold the same connotation as ? in the United States and is used to refer to Haitian born Haitians (while blan refers to foreigners and foreign born Haitians regardless of race)), yo is the plural marker, mon is "my"
i'm sure a Kreyol-speaker on this site can correct me if wrong
Yeah I gotta hit up some of my Haitian fam and confirm, I'm sure you on the right track. I looked at it literally
Neg often means farmer or something like that in Kreyol
Do you live in ny, Boston or miami? If so yoU can find a lot of resources on kreyol (classes, websites, college courses etc.) a lot of research has been done on kreyol as opposed to other creole languages like patois
I live in NYC actually. And yeah I wanna learn more Kreyol, I know a lot about the culture and history but my mom actually didn't teach me much Kreyol growing up cuz my dad wanted me to be as American as possible smh....plus my bro had a stuttering problem at one point when he was young and he was scared us learning Kreyol would confuse him. I gotta make that effort -
So you only read the abstracts of papers written by economists and agricultural scientists?
smh
Of course it's enough for the people here, they don't have access to the full articles. They can't verify if you're presenting the full picture nor what the full study actually says.
No but for the purposes of this thread that's all i needed to do. If i wanted to present the full picture i would have to first read the whole thing and i am not doing that.The abstract presents enough information for people who are scientifically inept in their understanding. You really wanted me to give a full explanation FOH -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »
I agree, I guess the link could be right but Haitians killed off almost all of the White people on the Haitian side of the island. Even the babies lol.....98% of the island consider themselves Black too, you don't see percentages like that in any Caribbean country.
neg yo monJamaicans are mixed with East Indians
The English were there longer than the French were in Haiti
They receive much more nonblack immigration than Haiti
Zombie once again has another crackpot theory
huh?
My Haitian creole is terrible lol....long story
i only know a few words, i'm only Haitian through one grandmother
I hear ya, I should know more considering my mom's side is fully Haitian....what did that mean though
my fam from all over the Caribbean so i love learning about Haiti and all that
i don't even know if the grammar was right but "neg yo mon" means "my ? " in Kreyol. "neg" being ? (i'm told that neg doesn't hold the same connotation as ? in the United States and is used to refer to Haitian born Haitians (while blan refers to foreigners and foreign born Haitians regardless of race)), yo is the plural marker, mon is "my"
i'm sure a Kreyol-speaker on this site can correct me if wrong
Yeah I gotta hit up some of my Haitian fam and confirm, I'm sure you on the right track. I looked at it literally
Neg often means farmer or something like that in Kreyol
Do you live in ny, Boston or miami? If so yoU can find a lot of resources on kreyol (classes, websites, college courses etc.) a lot of research has been done on kreyol as opposed to other creole languages like patois
I live in NYC actually. And yeah I wanna learn more Kreyol, I know a lot about the culture and history but my mom actually didn't teach me much Kreyol growing up cuz my dad wanted me to be as American as possible smh....plus my bro had a stuttering problem at one point when he was young and he was scared us learning Kreyol would confuse him. I gotta make that effort
You can pick up easy then. i also grew up speaking only english but my family is polyglot so i picked up a little bit of other languages -
Best way for a Haitian American to learn Kreyol besides family is by having Haitian friends, period.
