MGTOW- Men going their own Way
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LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY wrote: »To each his own perspective on MGTOW.
Some choose it because of the legal system that 9 times out of ten deprive men from property and money in divorces cases. And some choose to not even getting married UNTIL LAWS CHANGE.
Some are tired about THE WESTERN SOCIETY. Matter of fact they feel that they love inside an evironment where the man works to invest in the gov throughou women.
Some are sick and tired of the ever growing agressive feminism. They feel like second zone cityzens.
Some have decided that since we are living in a consumerism society, its better to pay for an ? and then having 'peace' at home.
Some are going MGTOW to show women that SOCIETAL TALKS ARE NEEDED TO BRING A BALANCE IN MEN AND WOMEN INTERRACTIONS. Matter of fact, women and men are more and more ALONE and UNHAPPY.
Etc...
Some women are starting to get receptive of MGTOW and starting to DISCUSS.
These are seemingly more the ones The Lonious monk is addressing. If its your thing, let itbe and do you, but this is like people who have some agenda to "change" women or something or influence them. If its about women in a backwards way, then I could see the error of those types as pointed out. Of course like you said different people have different reasons.
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »NoCompetition wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY wrote: »This is my view on MGTOW.
Its a man that will think about building his life WITH a woman instead of leaving his plans and dreams FOR a woman.
A man that respects woman and not treat her like a divinity.
A man who see ? as important as his ? and not a golden cave in which he INVESTs.
A man that say ? to valentines day.
A man who dont overspend in dinners and phone talks for FRIENDSHIP
A man who wont accept to be ? on by any woman, no matter how beautifull and sexy and famous on Instagram she might be
A man that dont waist his time boosting the ego of women in social media,
A man who marries a woman not her ? .
Ironically, these MGTOW dudes are on some female ? . Basically, their mindsets when dealing women are ? up and they've been burned a few times. So instead of changing the way they deal with women and who they deal with, they decide women are the problem and come up with some stupid philosophy to back it. It's no different than the "Men are all dogs" chicks.
Every dude aint exactly the same as far as this is concerned. You got dudes who just live on their own terms. Instead of depending on some female for something...dont see how that would be an issue. Or any of this for that matter. I simply look at it as being single as opposed to a movement cause I aint settling or dealing with nonsense. But the next man may have his own perspective. Cant put everybody in one exact box. But its one of them things if it aint for someone then it aint. To each their own. Its better to do things your way then be a follower so its all about whats for the individual.
lol you basically pointed out why its an issue in your own post. These dudes are making a movement out of what grown ass single men should be doing anyway. The difference is that unlike you and other normal single men, they see what they are doing as some kind of rebellion against the evil female agenda. I'm married. That's what works for me. I'm still going my own way because I made the choice because that's what I wanted. These dudes are acting like they are doing something special when in reality they are just moving from a standpoint of butthurt.
I guess we agree for the most part. Being single is not a big deal or a movement. And I can agree with the ones who fall in the category you describe. Cause if its really your thing wont be about no hard feelings your just doing your thing. As a lot of men are doing that too like you said. -
NoCompetition wrote: »LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY wrote: »To each his own perspective on MGTOW.
Some choose it because of the legal system that 9 times out of ten deprive men from property and money in divorces cases. And some choose to not even getting married UNTIL LAWS CHANGE.
Some are tired about THE WESTERN SOCIETY. Matter of fact they feel that they love inside an evironment where the man works to invest in the gov throughou women.
Some are sick and tired of the ever growing agressive feminism. They feel like second zone cityzens.
Some have decided that since we are living in a consumerism society, its better to pay for an ? and then having 'peace' at home.
Some are going MGTOW to show women that SOCIETAL TALKS ARE NEEDED TO BRING A BALANCE IN MEN AND WOMEN INTERRACTIONS. Matter of fact, women and men are more and more ALONE and UNHAPPY.
Etc...
Some women are starting to get receptive of MGTOW and starting to DISCUSS.
These are seemingly more the ones The Lonious monk is addressing. If its your thing, let itbe and do you, but this is like people who have some agenda to "change" women or something or influence them. If its about women in a backwards way, then I could see the error of those types as pointed out. Of course like you said different people have different reasons.
Imo hypermasculinity generated agressive feminism, the latter created MGTOW.
It appears to me that we are at the pinacle of SOCIAL DISTRUST. Aint no winner in that game.
Single parenthood
Rising housing wages and costs
Loneliness
Hatred
The gov, men and women will have to sit down and talk clearly before its too late.
Gov laws ,Heavy automatisation , robotisation and less religion are already separating people.
We have to think about this new society in terms of human relations and interrations. Because the third parties aformentioned are blurring the lines for the most of us
Dating apps
Less and less social pressure on conduct
Virtual reality
Sex robots
Divorces law
Less men in the workforce but still men are asked to be leaders if they want to be deemed fit to get a household
New generation of women who dont know which type of life to follow
Our society have lost , by going away from religios structures, social and interraction pillars. And no new ones have been raised.
No passge rituals
No common views on nothing to the point that a married father can decide to be a 6 yo boy and get away with it. Children born without having their gender recognized.
Fat acceptance
HAS LIBERTY TAKEN A BAD TURN?
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LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY wrote: »NoCompetition wrote: »LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY wrote: »To each his own perspective on MGTOW.
Some choose it because of the legal system that 9 times out of ten deprive men from property and money in divorces cases. And some choose to not even getting married UNTIL LAWS CHANGE.
Some are tired about THE WESTERN SOCIETY. Matter of fact they feel that they love inside an evironment where the man works to invest in the gov throughou women.
Some are sick and tired of the ever growing agressive feminism. They feel like second zone cityzens.
Some have decided that since we are living in a consumerism society, its better to pay for an ? and then having 'peace' at home.
Some are going MGTOW to show women that SOCIETAL TALKS ARE NEEDED TO BRING A BALANCE IN MEN AND WOMEN INTERRACTIONS. Matter of fact, women and men are more and more ALONE and UNHAPPY.
Etc...
Some women are starting to get receptive of MGTOW and starting to DISCUSS.
These are seemingly more the ones The Lonious monk is addressing. If its your thing, let itbe and do you, but this is like people who have some agenda to "change" women or something or influence them. If its about women in a backwards way, then I could see the error of those types as pointed out. Of course like you said different people have different reasons.
Imo hypermasculinity generated agressive feminism, the latter created MGTOW.
It appears to me that we are at the pinacle of SOCIAL DISTRUST. Aint no winner in that game.
Single parenthood
Rising housing wages and costs
Loneliness
Hatred
The gov, men and women will have to sit down and talk clearly before its too late.
Gov laws ,Heavy automatisation , robotisation and less religion are already separating people.
We have to think about this new society in terms of human relations and interrations. Because the third parties aformentioned are blurring the lines for the most of us
Dating apps
Less and less social pressure on conduct
Virtual reality
Sex robots
Divorces law
Less men in the workforce but still men are asked to be leaders if they want to be deemed fit to get a household
New generation of women who dont know which type of life to follow
Our society have lost , by going away from religios structures, social and interraction pillars. And no new ones have been raised.
No passge rituals
No common views on nothing to the point that a married father can decide to be a 6 yo boy and get away with it. Children born without having their gender recognized.
Fat acceptance
HAS LIBERTY TAKEN A BAD TURN?
Freedom breeds problems. I really believe that. I'm not saying freedom is wrong, but the more of it you give a society, the more ? up the society. I honestly believe a benevolent dictatorship would be better for a nation than capitalism. The problem is that realistically, you'll never find a truly benevolent dictator. -
LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY wrote: »
Imo hypermasculinity generated agressive feminism, the latter created MGTOW.
It appears to me that we are at the pinacle of SOCIAL DISTRUST. Aint no winner in that game.
Single parenthood
Rising housing wages and costs
Loneliness
Hatred
The gov, men and women will have to sit down and talk clearly before its too late.
Gov laws ,Heavy automatisation , robotisation and less religion are already separating people.
We have to think about this new society in terms of human relations and interrations. Because the third parties aformentioned are blurring the lines for the most of us
Dating apps
Less and less social pressure on conduct
Virtual reality
Sex robots
Divorces law
Less men in the workforce but still men are asked to be leaders if they want to be deemed fit to get a household
New generation of women who dont know which type of life to follow
Our society have lost , by going away from religios structures, social and interraction pillars. And no new ones have been raised.
No passge rituals
No common views on nothing to the point that a married father can decide to be a 6 yo boy and get away with it. Children born without having their gender recognized.
Fat acceptance
What do chubby chasers have to do with this?
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY wrote: »This is my view on MGTOW.
Its a man that will think about building his life WITH a woman instead of leaving his plans and dreams FOR a woman.
A man that respects woman and not treat her like a divinity.
A man who see ? as important as his ? and not a golden cave in which he INVESTs.
A man that say ? to valentines day.
A man who dont overspend in dinners and phone talks for FRIENDSHIP
A man who wont accept to be ? on by any woman, no matter how beautifull and sexy and famous on Instagram she might be
A man that dont waist his time boosting the ego of women in social media,
A man who marries a woman not her ? .
Ironically, these MGTOW dudes are on some female ? . Basically, their mindsets when dealing women are ? up and they've been burned a few times. So instead of changing the way they deal with women and who they deal with, they decide women are the problem and come up with some stupid philosophy to back it. It's no different than the "Men are all dogs" chicks.
You're making assumptions and assertions based on zero examples and gossip. So you're the one on some female ? jumping to conclusions bc of how you feel. To each his own tho.
? are you talking about ? ? This ain't the first MGTOW topic on here. There have been several discussions on them complete with videos and articles. So no, I'm not basing opinions on zero examples and gossip. We've already seen plenty of examples of dudes saying they're in this movement because of ? raps they feel they got when dealing with women. Again, if you agree with @LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY's list then explain to me how that list is different that what any regular single man does. The only people who would need to create a movement behind that are dudes that have found it difficult to do those things.
The most basic and fundamental difference between a red pill and blue pill man is the purpose and motivation for life.
A blue pill man does everything on the hope they can attract a woman to them. Everything from the clothes they wear, car they drive, house and neighborhood they want to live in, even the job they have. Based on attracting women. Doing ritualistic activities like hitting up the club or a bar. Blue pill men develop skills for the sole purpose of attracting contemporary females. Which means they often lack life skills.
Red pill men live life for themselves. Their purpose for doing anything is self improvement or the thrill of the challenge. Women may or may not be part of their life but more often than not it is temporarily. Red pill men understand the nature of women and recognize that the laws now exacerbate the negatives of feminine nature thus making it incompatible with a free life. -
LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY wrote: »
Imo hypermasculinity generated agressive feminism, the latter created MGTOW.
It appears to me that we are at the pinacle of SOCIAL DISTRUST. Aint no winner in that game.
Single parenthood
Rising housing wages and costs
Loneliness
Hatred
The gov, men and women will have to sit down and talk clearly before its too late.
Gov laws ,Heavy automatisation , robotisation and less religion are already separating people.
We have to think about this new society in terms of human relations and interrations. Because the third parties aformentioned are blurring the lines for the most of us
Dating apps
Less and less social pressure on conduct
Virtual reality
Sex robots
Divorces law
Less men in the workforce but still men are asked to be leaders if they want to be deemed fit to get a household
New generation of women who dont know which type of life to follow
Our society have lost , by going away from religios structures, social and interraction pillars. And no new ones have been raised.
No passge rituals
No common views on nothing to the point that a married father can decide to be a 6 yo boy and get away with it. Children born without having their gender recognized.
Fat acceptance
What do chubby chasers have to do with this?
People may ? at these doctored pics of 'PHAT' women, the reality says otherwise : OBESITY IS NOT SEXY. Its starting to be the case in some areas of the western society because of SOCIAL DESPERATION when it comes to have na healthy and normal body.
Obesity reduces the number of options for men and women.
Obesity ? up the dating market : you got 5 who think that they are 10 just because they are not obese.
People are just acting like hypocrites when they support that Fat acceptance movement. Matter fact these fat men and women, mostly women, fight for the recognition of HEALTHY AND FIT MEN, not he FAT ONES, as sexy. They fight to be in the same space as FASHION MODELS : dont you see ENVY AND DESILLUSION AND CRY FOR HELP?
The phat women that was among us during the last sex party got touched by anybody but her husband. Why? Around her was only fit to super fit women. And she was ? at fit men not the chubby ones. Yet before the actions errbody was like sexy comes in every shape. Lie !!!
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LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY wrote: »LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY wrote: »
Imo hypermasculinity generated agressive feminism, the latter created MGTOW.
It appears to me that we are at the pinacle of SOCIAL DISTRUST. Aint no winner in that game.
Single parenthood
Rising housing wages and costs
Loneliness
Hatred
The gov, men and women will have to sit down and talk clearly before its too late.
Gov laws ,Heavy automatisation , robotisation and less religion are already separating people.
We have to think about this new society in terms of human relations and interrations. Because the third parties aformentioned are blurring the lines for the most of us
Dating apps
Less and less social pressure on conduct
Virtual reality
Sex robots
Divorces law
Less men in the workforce but still men are asked to be leaders if they want to be deemed fit to get a household
New generation of women who dont know which type of life to follow
Our society have lost , by going away from religios structures, social and interraction pillars. And no new ones have been raised.
No passge rituals
No common views on nothing to the point that a married father can decide to be a 6 yo boy and get away with it. Children born without having their gender recognized.
Fat acceptance
What do chubby chasers have to do with this?
Obesity ? up the dating market : you got 5 who think that they are 10 just because they are not obese.
People are just acting like hypocrites when they support that Fat acceptance movement. Matter fact these fat men and women, mostly women, fight for the recognition of HEALTHY AND FIT MEN, not he FAT ONES, as sexy. They fight to be in the same space as FASHION MODELS : dont you see ENVY AND DESILLUSION AND CRY FOR HELP?
The phat women that was among us during the last sex party got touched by anybody but her husband. Why? Around her was only fit to super fit women. And she was ? at fit men not the chubby ones. Yet before the actions errbody was like sexy comes in every shape. Lie !!!
The bolded is ultimate truth and hypocrisy.
Reminds me of a youtube video I saw a while back where these women were saying they don't date men unless they're a certain height.
They didn't see anything wrong with saying that.........but flipped out when one dude wanted to know how much she weighed because he said he doesn't date women over a certain weight.
Always funny when the tables are turned. -
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I like to ? too much to give up on women. I was blessed/cursed with a libido that has made me make questionable decisions in regard to the female company I've kept. I'm all about empowerment for your own purpose though. Trying to come up just to pull women isn't totally irrational but in the end I don't think the end goal pays out like most would like. Unless you're so wealthy that you keep a rotation of hoes. At that point you have to think those guys just get escorts to not have to deal with any of the non sex related stuff.
These guys sound sexually frustrated as hell but honestly I don't blame them for adopting this mentality or philosophy if it can be called that. At the core, working on bettering yourself can only be a good thing in the long run and maybe that leads to some kind of clarity and cooperation with the opposite sex. -
Here's the thing.
Most people have a very incorrect perception of MGTOW.
Most MGTOWers do not have the thought process of leaving women and killing contact with them altogether, especially in the US. There's level's to it, and the majority of MGTOW guys are Level 2 or less.
They just subscribe to the philosophy that they'll casually date, and leave the idea of marriage out to pasture. They also reject the social norms that men have been assigned to: the whole "get married, take ? from a mate, have kids and take ? from them, and advance your bloodline" ideal process of life.
Naw. Men know that society have changed enough where you can live a single life and while still being happy and fulfilled, and still maintain contact with the opposite sex, albeit, not in a long-term sense.
https://youtu.be/QTbP-AXT7cE
