Has organized religion held human advancement back?
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YES@kingblaze84 these are the demographics of debate.org these demographics are not representative of humanity. you majored in political science and did not learn how to properly debate you must have passed with the minimal GPA
www.debate.org/about/demographics/
Fine, disregard the poll. Most people voting in this forum so far agree religion has set society back anyway lol -
YES & NOkingblaze84 wrote: »@kingblaze84 these are the demographics of debate.org these demographics are not representative of humanity. you majored in political science and did not learn how to properly debate you must have passed with the minimal GPA
www.debate.org/about/demographics/
Fine, disregard the poll. Most people voting in this forum so far agree religion has set society back anyway lol
Most of them are confirmed atheist/anti-theists so there is a bias -
YES@kingblaze84
300 years ago almost no one went to school people couldn't even afford to send boys to school so the religion holding females down and preventing them from contributing to science is a faulty argument.
Also most universities were in some ways run by religious institutions.
This is mostly false because once again, the Bible and other religious texts discouraged free and independent thought among women. If religious textbooks told women to NOT challenge the authority of a man, and to learn in SILENCE and subjection, then how could they challenge the wrong ideas that were popular at the time??? It prevented the scientific growth of many women because RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS had little respect for women for a long time and in many ways still do.
Universities in many places were run or founded by religious institutions, but as I already said, the religious freaks within these institutions MANY TIMES disregarded or ignored information that was contrary to Biblical or other thought. The Bible also says the Earth is flat and has 4 corners, this ignorance was pushed as fact for a long time. -
YES & NOkingblaze84 wrote: »@kingblaze84
300 years ago almost no one went to school people couldn't even afford to send boys to school so the religion holding females down and preventing them from contributing to science is a faulty argument.
Also most universities were in some ways run by religious institutions.
This is mostly false because once again, the Bible and other religious texts discouraged free and independent thought among women. If religious textbooks told women to NOT challenge the authority of a man, and to learn in SILENCE and subjection, then how could they challenge the wrong ideas that were popular at the time??? It prevented the scientific growth of many women because RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS had little respect for women for a long time and in many ways still do.
Universities in many places were run or founded by religious institutions, but as I already said, the religious freaks within these institutions MANY TIMES disregarded or ignored information that was contrary to Biblical or other thought. The Bible also says the Earth is flat and has 4 corners, this ignorance was pushed as fact for a long time.
The bible only tells women to keep silent while in the temple, once again you are misrepresentating/lying about what they bible actually teaches
1 Corinthians 14:33–35
33 For ? is not a ? of confusion but of peace.
As in all the churches of the saints, 34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but ashould be in submission, as the Law also says. 35 If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
You don't seem to understand history at all, Let me explain something to you, In many ways how the world works now is not how it worked then. Women were not free to challenge the wrong ideas of there time but neither were most men only the rich and high born could have done such a thing. that is how it was for most of human history so pointing to the submission of women to prove your point is weak because it ignores important facts about history.
You may come up with any idea you want, just because your school rejects your idea FOR whatever reason that does not mean they are preventing you from pursuing your idea. The same thing happens today not every field of research a scientist wants to study is supported by his university -
YESkingblaze84 wrote: »@kingblaze84
300 years ago almost no one went to school people couldn't even afford to send boys to school so the religion holding females down and preventing them from contributing to science is a faulty argument.
Also most universities were in some ways run by religious institutions.
This is mostly false because once again, the Bible and other religious texts discouraged free and independent thought among women. If religious textbooks told women to NOT challenge the authority of a man, and to learn in SILENCE and subjection, then how could they challenge the wrong ideas that were popular at the time??? It prevented the scientific growth of many women because RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS had little respect for women for a long time and in many ways still do.
Universities in many places were run or founded by religious institutions, but as I already said, the religious freaks within these institutions MANY TIMES disregarded or ignored information that was contrary to Biblical or other thought. The Bible also says the Earth is flat and has 4 corners, this ignorance was pushed as fact for a long time.
The bible only tells women to keep silent while in the temple, once again you are misrepresentating/lying about what they bible actually teaches
1 Corinthians 14:33–35
33 For ? is not a ? of confusion but of peace.
As in all the churches of the saints, 34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but ashould be in submission, as the Law also says. 35 If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
You don't seem to understand history at all, Let me explain something to you, In many ways how the world works now is not how it worked then. Women were not free to challenge the wrong ideas of there time but neither were most men only the rich and high born could have done such a thing. that is how it was for most of human history so pointing to the submission of women to prove your point is weak because it ignores important facts about history.
You may come up with any idea you want, just because your school rejects your idea FOR whatever reason that does not mean they are preventing you from pursuing your idea. The same thing happens today not every field of research a scientist wants to study is supported by his university
Why did you leave out the Book of Timothy.....?
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. (1 Timothy 2:12)
The Christian church, when it was taken seriously, had religious figures that over and over again disregarded and dismissed the opinions of women who could have been great or remarkable scientists like Marie Curie and we already know what the New Testament says about slaves and submission. That ignorant point of view also held society back.
I get most men and boys were not educated back then, but the Bible is very clear on women, they CANNOT be outspoken and challenge the authority of any man, including teachers, scholars, etc. That ignorant and stupid point of view held women back for a very long time in the Christian world. We know how brutal the Christian church was back then to people who thought differently. Imagine if Marie Curie and her husband took that ignorant Bible quote seriously, she would have never gone anywhere because she wouldn't be able to question the teachings and writings of many before her.
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YESAnother way organized religion has held societies back: Christians hating on birth control lol SMFH
http://www.alternet.org/belief/10-things-traditional-christians-got-terribly-wrong
From the beginning of the “birth control movement,” Christian conservatives fought to keep women from being able to have sex without getting pregnant. Devout Christian Anthony Comstock successfully convinced Congress in 1872 that contraception was ungodly, leading to a federal ban on sharing birth control information across state lines. This was finally repealed in 1936. In 1963, the Supreme Court ended anti-contraception laws for married women. Finally, in 1971, the Supreme Court also eliminated the last of the ? -bothering anti-contraception laws banning birth control for single people. Nowadays, 99 percent of sexually active women have used contraception at some point in their lives.
Let's also remember the current Pope has foolishly said that condoms make the AIDS epidemic worse. Imagine if more people took this guy seriously and stopped using condoms, and how much worse the AIDS epidemic would get. -
YES & NOkingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »@kingblaze84
300 years ago almost no one went to school people couldn't even afford to send boys to school so the religion holding females down and preventing them from contributing to science is a faulty argument.
Also most universities were in some ways run by religious institutions.
This is mostly false because once again, the Bible and other religious texts discouraged free and independent thought among women. If religious textbooks told women to NOT challenge the authority of a man, and to learn in SILENCE and subjection, then how could they challenge the wrong ideas that were popular at the time??? It prevented the scientific growth of many women because RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS had little respect for women for a long time and in many ways still do.
Universities in many places were run or founded by religious institutions, but as I already said, the religious freaks within these institutions MANY TIMES disregarded or ignored information that was contrary to Biblical or other thought. The Bible also says the Earth is flat and has 4 corners, this ignorance was pushed as fact for a long time.
The bible only tells women to keep silent while in the temple, once again you are misrepresentating/lying about what they bible actually teaches
1 Corinthians 14:33–35
33 For ? is not a ? of confusion but of peace.
As in all the churches of the saints, 34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but ashould be in submission, as the Law also says. 35 If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
You don't seem to understand history at all, Let me explain something to you, In many ways how the world works now is not how it worked then. Women were not free to challenge the wrong ideas of there time but neither were most men only the rich and high born could have done such a thing. that is how it was for most of human history so pointing to the submission of women to prove your point is weak because it ignores important facts about history.
You may come up with any idea you want, just because your school rejects your idea FOR whatever reason that does not mean they are preventing you from pursuing your idea. The same thing happens today not every field of research a scientist wants to study is supported by his university
Why did you leave out the Book of Timothy.....?
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. (1 Timothy 2:12)
The Christian church, when it was taken seriously, had religious figures that over and over again disregarded and dismissed the opinions of women who could have been great or remarkable scientists like Marie Curie and we already know what the New Testament says about slaves and submission. That ignorant point of view also held society back.
I get most men and boys were not educated back then, but the Bible is very clear on women, they CANNOT be outspoken and challenge the authority of any man, including teachers, scholars, etc. That ignorant and stupid point of view held women back for a very long time in the Christian world. Imagine if Marie Curie took that ignorant BIble quote seriously, she would have never gone anywhere because she wouldn't be able to question the teachings and writings of many before her.
timothy is talking about in the church and in any case women being subservient to men still does not prove your case because even if they were not they still would not have been educated therefore they would have made no major contribution to science anyway -
Your really juat posting a bunch of ? that in no way proves anything and hopes it sticks
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YESThe_Jackal wrote: »Your really juat posting a bunch of ? that in no way proves anything and hopes it sticks
The Christian churches historically were huge fans of the slave trade, and while some were against it, as an INSTITUTION, Christian churches for the most part had no problem with it. This is on top of Christian churches killing and torturing thousands of people for the simple crime of heresy and challenging religious doctrine. This has happened many times in Islamic nations historically too, there are entire books written on these subjects. You can keep your head buried in the sand, scientists and sociologists will continue to back me up. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »Your really juat posting a bunch of ? that in no way proves anything and hopes it sticks
The Christian churches historically were huge fans of the slave trade, and while some were against it, as an INSTITUTION, Christian churches for the most part had no problem with it. This is on top of Christian churches killing and torturing thousands of people for the simple crime of heresy and challenging religious doctrine. This has happened many times in Islamic nations historically too, there are entire books written on these subjects. You can keep your head buried in the sand, scientists and sociologists will continue to back me up.
WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE ADVANCEMENT OF HUMAN? Yes horrible deeds but HOW DOES THIS CONNECT WITH STOPPING HUMAN ADVANCEMENT SPECIFICALLY SCIENCE ADVANCEMENT.
Are you legit trolling are just dancing around this ? just to ? with us? -
YESkingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »@kingblaze84
300 years ago almost no one went to school people couldn't even afford to send boys to school so the religion holding females down and preventing them from contributing to science is a faulty argument.
Also most universities were in some ways run by religious institutions.
This is mostly false because once again, the Bible and other religious texts discouraged free and independent thought among women. If religious textbooks told women to NOT challenge the authority of a man, and to learn in SILENCE and subjection, then how could they challenge the wrong ideas that were popular at the time??? It prevented the scientific growth of many women because RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS had little respect for women for a long time and in many ways still do.
Universities in many places were run or founded by religious institutions, but as I already said, the religious freaks within these institutions MANY TIMES disregarded or ignored information that was contrary to Biblical or other thought. The Bible also says the Earth is flat and has 4 corners, this ignorance was pushed as fact for a long time.
The bible only tells women to keep silent while in the temple, once again you are misrepresentating/lying about what they bible actually teaches
1 Corinthians 14:33–35
33 For ? is not a ? of confusion but of peace.
As in all the churches of the saints, 34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but ashould be in submission, as the Law also says. 35 If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
You don't seem to understand history at all, Let me explain something to you, In many ways how the world works now is not how it worked then. Women were not free to challenge the wrong ideas of there time but neither were most men only the rich and high born could have done such a thing. that is how it was for most of human history so pointing to the submission of women to prove your point is weak because it ignores important facts about history.
You may come up with any idea you want, just because your school rejects your idea FOR whatever reason that does not mean they are preventing you from pursuing your idea. The same thing happens today not every field of research a scientist wants to study is supported by his university
Why did you leave out the Book of Timothy.....?
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. (1 Timothy 2:12)
The Christian church, when it was taken seriously, had religious figures that over and over again disregarded and dismissed the opinions of women who could have been great or remarkable scientists like Marie Curie and we already know what the New Testament says about slaves and submission. That ignorant point of view also held society back.
I get most men and boys were not educated back then, but the Bible is very clear on women, they CANNOT be outspoken and challenge the authority of any man, including teachers, scholars, etc. That ignorant and stupid point of view held women back for a very long time in the Christian world. Imagine if Marie Curie took that ignorant BIble quote seriously, she would have never gone anywhere because she wouldn't be able to question the teachings and writings of many before her.
timothy is talking about in the church and in any case women being subservient to men still does not prove your case because even if they were not they still would not have been educated therefore they would have made no major contribution to science anyway
Timothy's sentence speaks for itself, and Christian churches historically have used that line to do everything they did, along with the Inquisitions that lasted from the 12th century to the 1800s smh, along with what other religious societies did to free thinkers, women and men. Thousands of men and women were killed for having different thoughts then what the Bible teached, these people could have pushed societies forward but instead were jailed and imprisoned. Not all the time, but many times.
Women were deemed witches and tortured or burned alive if they dared speak up against Protestant and Catholic churches or holy books, even if they spoke in public too much. Savage and backwards to human advancement. Up till this day, there are religious places around the world that burn or stone women to death for being too free thinking or being anti-religion.
Also, many free thinkers had their books burned during these Inquisitions, which lasted until the 1800s in many places throughout the world. These books could have had a ton of knowledge, but Islamic and Christian institutions often HELD BACK the views of those with different beliefs, much of it scientific or good for social advancement. The evidence is overwhelming on this subject and this will be one of my last posts here soon. This is getting too easy. -
YES & NOkingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »@kingblaze84
300 years ago almost no one went to school people couldn't even afford to send boys to school so the religion holding females down and preventing them from contributing to science is a faulty argument.
Also most universities were in some ways run by religious institutions.
This is mostly false because once again, the Bible and other religious texts discouraged free and independent thought among women. If religious textbooks told women to NOT challenge the authority of a man, and to learn in SILENCE and subjection, then how could they challenge the wrong ideas that were popular at the time??? It prevented the scientific growth of many women because RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS had little respect for women for a long time and in many ways still do.
Universities in many places were run or founded by religious institutions, but as I already said, the religious freaks within these institutions MANY TIMES disregarded or ignored information that was contrary to Biblical or other thought. The Bible also says the Earth is flat and has 4 corners, this ignorance was pushed as fact for a long time.
The bible only tells women to keep silent while in the temple, once again you are misrepresentating/lying about what they bible actually teaches
1 Corinthians 14:33–35
33 For ? is not a ? of confusion but of peace.
As in all the churches of the saints, 34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but ashould be in submission, as the Law also says. 35 If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
You don't seem to understand history at all, Let me explain something to you, In many ways how the world works now is not how it worked then. Women were not free to challenge the wrong ideas of there time but neither were most men only the rich and high born could have done such a thing. that is how it was for most of human history so pointing to the submission of women to prove your point is weak because it ignores important facts about history.
You may come up with any idea you want, just because your school rejects your idea FOR whatever reason that does not mean they are preventing you from pursuing your idea. The same thing happens today not every field of research a scientist wants to study is supported by his university
Why did you leave out the Book of Timothy.....?
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. (1 Timothy 2:12)
The Christian church, when it was taken seriously, had religious figures that over and over again disregarded and dismissed the opinions of women who could have been great or remarkable scientists like Marie Curie and we already know what the New Testament says about slaves and submission. That ignorant point of view also held society back.
I get most men and boys were not educated back then, but the Bible is very clear on women, they CANNOT be outspoken and challenge the authority of any man, including teachers, scholars, etc. That ignorant and stupid point of view held women back for a very long time in the Christian world. Imagine if Marie Curie took that ignorant BIble quote seriously, she would have never gone anywhere because she wouldn't be able to question the teachings and writings of many before her.
timothy is talking about in the church and in any case women being subservient to men still does not prove your case because even if they were not they still would not have been educated therefore they would have made no major contribution to science anyway
Timothy's sentence speaks for itself, and Christian churches historically have used that line to do everything they did, along with the Inquisitions that lasted from the 12th century to the 1800s smh, along with what other religious societies did to free thinkers, women and men. Thousands of men and women were killed for having different thoughts then what the Bible teached, these people could have pushed societies forward but instead were jailed and imprisoned. Not all the time, but many times.
Women were deemed witches and tortured or burned alive if they dared speak up against Protestant and Catholic churches or holy books, even if they spoke in public too much. Savage and backwards to human advancement. Up till this day, there are religious places around the world that burn or stone women to death for being too free thinking or being anti-religion.
Also, many free thinkers had their books burned during these Inquisitions, which lasted until the 1800s in many places throughout the world. These books could have had a ton of knowledge, but Islamic and Christian institutions often HELD BACK the views of those with different beliefs, much of it scientific or good for social advancement. The evidence is overwhelming on this subject and this will be one of my last posts here soon. This is getting too easy.
babbling nonsense -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »@kingblaze84
300 years ago almost no one went to school people couldn't even afford to send boys to school so the religion holding females down and preventing them from contributing to science is a faulty argument.
Also most universities were in some ways run by religious institutions.
This is mostly false because once again, the Bible and other religious texts discouraged free and independent thought among women. If religious textbooks told women to NOT challenge the authority of a man, and to learn in SILENCE and subjection, then how could they challenge the wrong ideas that were popular at the time??? It prevented the scientific growth of many women because RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS had little respect for women for a long time and in many ways still do.
Universities in many places were run or founded by religious institutions, but as I already said, the religious freaks within these institutions MANY TIMES disregarded or ignored information that was contrary to Biblical or other thought. The Bible also says the Earth is flat and has 4 corners, this ignorance was pushed as fact for a long time.
The bible only tells women to keep silent while in the temple, once again you are misrepresentating/lying about what they bible actually teaches
1 Corinthians 14:33–35
33 For ? is not a ? of confusion but of peace.
As in all the churches of the saints, 34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but ashould be in submission, as the Law also says. 35 If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
You don't seem to understand history at all, Let me explain something to you, In many ways how the world works now is not how it worked then. Women were not free to challenge the wrong ideas of there time but neither were most men only the rich and high born could have done such a thing. that is how it was for most of human history so pointing to the submission of women to prove your point is weak because it ignores important facts about history.
You may come up with any idea you want, just because your school rejects your idea FOR whatever reason that does not mean they are preventing you from pursuing your idea. The same thing happens today not every field of research a scientist wants to study is supported by his university
Why did you leave out the Book of Timothy.....?
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. (1 Timothy 2:12)
The Christian church, when it was taken seriously, had religious figures that over and over again disregarded and dismissed the opinions of women who could have been great or remarkable scientists like Marie Curie and we already know what the New Testament says about slaves and submission. That ignorant point of view also held society back.
I get most men and boys were not educated back then, but the Bible is very clear on women, they CANNOT be outspoken and challenge the authority of any man, including teachers, scholars, etc. That ignorant and stupid point of view held women back for a very long time in the Christian world. Imagine if Marie Curie took that ignorant BIble quote seriously, she would have never gone anywhere because she wouldn't be able to question the teachings and writings of many before her.
timothy is talking about in the church and in any case women being subservient to men still does not prove your case because even if they were not they still would not have been educated therefore they would have made no major contribution to science anyway
Timothy's sentence speaks for itself, and Christian churches historically have used that line to do everything they did, along with the Inquisitions that lasted from the 12th century to the 1800s smh, along with what other religious societies did to free thinkers, women and men. Thousands of men and women were killed for having different thoughts then what the Bible teached, these people could have pushed societies forward but instead were jailed and imprisoned. Not all the time, but many times.
Women were deemed witches and tortured or burned alive if they dared speak up against Protestant and Catholic churches or holy books, even if they spoke in public too much. Savage and backwards to human advancement. Up till this day, there are religious places around the world that burn or stone women to death for being too free thinking or being anti-religion.
Also, many free thinkers had their books burned during these Inquisitions, which lasted until the 1800s in many places throughout the world. These books could have had a ton of knowledge, but Islamic and Christian institutions often HELD BACK the views of those with different beliefs, much of it scientific or good for social advancement. The evidence is overwhelming on this subject and this will be one of my last posts here soon. This is getting too easy.
Name them. And go ahead leave everyone else who isn't even participating here and is being objective sees that you not proving anything. -
YES & NOi really hate when people bring up the inquisition the numbers are always vastly inflated
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YESkingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »@kingblaze84
300 years ago almost no one went to school people couldn't even afford to send boys to school so the religion holding females down and preventing them from contributing to science is a faulty argument.
Also most universities were in some ways run by religious institutions.
This is mostly false because once again, the Bible and other religious texts discouraged free and independent thought among women. If religious textbooks told women to NOT challenge the authority of a man, and to learn in SILENCE and subjection, then how could they challenge the wrong ideas that were popular at the time??? It prevented the scientific growth of many women because RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS had little respect for women for a long time and in many ways still do.
Universities in many places were run or founded by religious institutions, but as I already said, the religious freaks within these institutions MANY TIMES disregarded or ignored information that was contrary to Biblical or other thought. The Bible also says the Earth is flat and has 4 corners, this ignorance was pushed as fact for a long time.
The bible only tells women to keep silent while in the temple, once again you are misrepresentating/lying about what they bible actually teaches
1 Corinthians 14:33–35
33 For ? is not a ? of confusion but of peace.
As in all the churches of the saints, 34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but ashould be in submission, as the Law also says. 35 If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
You don't seem to understand history at all, Let me explain something to you, In many ways how the world works now is not how it worked then. Women were not free to challenge the wrong ideas of there time but neither were most men only the rich and high born could have done such a thing. that is how it was for most of human history so pointing to the submission of women to prove your point is weak because it ignores important facts about history.
You may come up with any idea you want, just because your school rejects your idea FOR whatever reason that does not mean they are preventing you from pursuing your idea. The same thing happens today not every field of research a scientist wants to study is supported by his university
Why did you leave out the Book of Timothy.....?
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. (1 Timothy 2:12)
The Christian church, when it was taken seriously, had religious figures that over and over again disregarded and dismissed the opinions of women who could have been great or remarkable scientists like Marie Curie and we already know what the New Testament says about slaves and submission. That ignorant point of view also held society back.
I get most men and boys were not educated back then, but the Bible is very clear on women, they CANNOT be outspoken and challenge the authority of any man, including teachers, scholars, etc. That ignorant and stupid point of view held women back for a very long time in the Christian world. Imagine if Marie Curie took that ignorant BIble quote seriously, she would have never gone anywhere because she wouldn't be able to question the teachings and writings of many before her.
timothy is talking about in the church and in any case women being subservient to men still does not prove your case because even if they were not they still would not have been educated therefore they would have made no major contribution to science anyway
Timothy's sentence speaks for itself, and Christian churches historically have used that line to do everything they did, along with the Inquisitions that lasted from the 12th century to the 1800s smh, along with what other religious societies did to free thinkers, women and men. Thousands of men and women were killed for having different thoughts then what the Bible teached, these people could have pushed societies forward but instead were jailed and imprisoned. Not all the time, but many times.
Women were deemed witches and tortured or burned alive if they dared speak up against Protestant and Catholic churches or holy books, even if they spoke in public too much. Savage and backwards to human advancement. Up till this day, there are religious places around the world that burn or stone women to death for being too free thinking or being anti-religion.
Also, many free thinkers had their books burned during these Inquisitions, which lasted until the 1800s in many places throughout the world. These books could have had a ton of knowledge, but Islamic and Christian institutions often HELD BACK the views of those with different beliefs, much of it scientific or good for social advancement. The evidence is overwhelming on this subject and this will be one of my last posts here soon. This is getting too easy.
babbling nonsense
You have your head buried in the sand, and that's okay.
@BARON_$AMEDI
You see this? LOL.....Zombie proved your point again. -
YES & NOkingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »@kingblaze84
300 years ago almost no one went to school people couldn't even afford to send boys to school so the religion holding females down and preventing them from contributing to science is a faulty argument.
Also most universities were in some ways run by religious institutions.
This is mostly false because once again, the Bible and other religious texts discouraged free and independent thought among women. If religious textbooks told women to NOT challenge the authority of a man, and to learn in SILENCE and subjection, then how could they challenge the wrong ideas that were popular at the time??? It prevented the scientific growth of many women because RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS had little respect for women for a long time and in many ways still do.
Universities in many places were run or founded by religious institutions, but as I already said, the religious freaks within these institutions MANY TIMES disregarded or ignored information that was contrary to Biblical or other thought. The Bible also says the Earth is flat and has 4 corners, this ignorance was pushed as fact for a long time.
The bible only tells women to keep silent while in the temple, once again you are misrepresentating/lying about what they bible actually teaches
1 Corinthians 14:33–35
33 For ? is not a ? of confusion but of peace.
As in all the churches of the saints, 34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but ashould be in submission, as the Law also says. 35 If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
You don't seem to understand history at all, Let me explain something to you, In many ways how the world works now is not how it worked then. Women were not free to challenge the wrong ideas of there time but neither were most men only the rich and high born could have done such a thing. that is how it was for most of human history so pointing to the submission of women to prove your point is weak because it ignores important facts about history.
You may come up with any idea you want, just because your school rejects your idea FOR whatever reason that does not mean they are preventing you from pursuing your idea. The same thing happens today not every field of research a scientist wants to study is supported by his university
Why did you leave out the Book of Timothy.....?
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. (1 Timothy 2:12)
The Christian church, when it was taken seriously, had religious figures that over and over again disregarded and dismissed the opinions of women who could have been great or remarkable scientists like Marie Curie and we already know what the New Testament says about slaves and submission. That ignorant point of view also held society back.
I get most men and boys were not educated back then, but the Bible is very clear on women, they CANNOT be outspoken and challenge the authority of any man, including teachers, scholars, etc. That ignorant and stupid point of view held women back for a very long time in the Christian world. Imagine if Marie Curie took that ignorant BIble quote seriously, she would have never gone anywhere because she wouldn't be able to question the teachings and writings of many before her.
timothy is talking about in the church and in any case women being subservient to men still does not prove your case because even if they were not they still would not have been educated therefore they would have made no major contribution to science anyway
Timothy's sentence speaks for itself, and Christian churches historically have used that line to do everything they did, along with the Inquisitions that lasted from the 12th century to the 1800s smh, along with what other religious societies did to free thinkers, women and men. Thousands of men and women were killed for having different thoughts then what the Bible teached, these people could have pushed societies forward but instead were jailed and imprisoned. Not all the time, but many times.
Women were deemed witches and tortured or burned alive if they dared speak up against Protestant and Catholic churches or holy books, even if they spoke in public too much. Savage and backwards to human advancement. Up till this day, there are religious places around the world that burn or stone women to death for being too free thinking or being anti-religion.
Also, many free thinkers had their books burned during these Inquisitions, which lasted until the 1800s in many places throughout the world. These books could have had a ton of knowledge, but Islamic and Christian institutions often HELD BACK the views of those with different beliefs, much of it scientific or good for social advancement. The evidence is overwhelming on this subject and this will be one of my last posts here soon. This is getting too easy.
babbling nonsense
You have your head buried in the sand, and that's okay.
@BARON_$AMEDI
You see this? LOL.....Zombie proved your point again.
If my head is in the sand your head is in your ass. -
YESThe_Jackal wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »@kingblaze84
300 years ago almost no one went to school people couldn't even afford to send boys to school so the religion holding females down and preventing them from contributing to science is a faulty argument.
Also most universities were in some ways run by religious institutions.
This is mostly false because once again, the Bible and other religious texts discouraged free and independent thought among women. If religious textbooks told women to NOT challenge the authority of a man, and to learn in SILENCE and subjection, then how could they challenge the wrong ideas that were popular at the time??? It prevented the scientific growth of many women because RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS had little respect for women for a long time and in many ways still do.
Universities in many places were run or founded by religious institutions, but as I already said, the religious freaks within these institutions MANY TIMES disregarded or ignored information that was contrary to Biblical or other thought. The Bible also says the Earth is flat and has 4 corners, this ignorance was pushed as fact for a long time.
The bible only tells women to keep silent while in the temple, once again you are misrepresentating/lying about what they bible actually teaches
1 Corinthians 14:33–35
33 For ? is not a ? of confusion but of peace.
As in all the churches of the saints, 34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but ashould be in submission, as the Law also says. 35 If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
You don't seem to understand history at all, Let me explain something to you, In many ways how the world works now is not how it worked then. Women were not free to challenge the wrong ideas of there time but neither were most men only the rich and high born could have done such a thing. that is how it was for most of human history so pointing to the submission of women to prove your point is weak because it ignores important facts about history.
You may come up with any idea you want, just because your school rejects your idea FOR whatever reason that does not mean they are preventing you from pursuing your idea. The same thing happens today not every field of research a scientist wants to study is supported by his university
Why did you leave out the Book of Timothy.....?
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. (1 Timothy 2:12)
The Christian church, when it was taken seriously, had religious figures that over and over again disregarded and dismissed the opinions of women who could have been great or remarkable scientists like Marie Curie and we already know what the New Testament says about slaves and submission. That ignorant point of view also held society back.
I get most men and boys were not educated back then, but the Bible is very clear on women, they CANNOT be outspoken and challenge the authority of any man, including teachers, scholars, etc. That ignorant and stupid point of view held women back for a very long time in the Christian world. Imagine if Marie Curie took that ignorant BIble quote seriously, she would have never gone anywhere because she wouldn't be able to question the teachings and writings of many before her.
timothy is talking about in the church and in any case women being subservient to men still does not prove your case because even if they were not they still would not have been educated therefore they would have made no major contribution to science anyway
Timothy's sentence speaks for itself, and Christian churches historically have used that line to do everything they did, along with the Inquisitions that lasted from the 12th century to the 1800s smh, along with what other religious societies did to free thinkers, women and men. Thousands of men and women were killed for having different thoughts then what the Bible teached, these people could have pushed societies forward but instead were jailed and imprisoned. Not all the time, but many times.
Women were deemed witches and tortured or burned alive if they dared speak up against Protestant and Catholic churches or holy books, even if they spoke in public too much. Savage and backwards to human advancement. Up till this day, there are religious places around the world that burn or stone women to death for being too free thinking or being anti-religion.
Also, many free thinkers had their books burned during these Inquisitions, which lasted until the 1800s in many places throughout the world. These books could have had a ton of knowledge, but Islamic and Christian institutions often HELD BACK the views of those with different beliefs, much of it scientific or good for social advancement. The evidence is overwhelming on this subject and this will be one of my last posts here soon. This is getting too easy.
Name them. And go ahead leave everyone else who isn't even participating here and is being objective sees that you not proving anything.
Total nonsense, you need to do some more reading on history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_burning#Christian_burnings
After the First Council of Nicea (CE 325), Roman emperor Constantine the Great issued an edict against nontrinitarian Arians which included systematical book burning; "In addition, if any writing composed by Arius should be found, it should be handed over to the flames, so that not only will the wickedness of his teaching be obliterated, but nothing will be left even to remind anyone of him. And I hereby make a public order, that if someone should be discovered to have hidden a writing composed by Arius, and not to have immediately brought it forward and destroyed it by fire, his penalty shall be death. As soon as he is discovered in this offense, he shall be submitted for capital punishment....."[2] According to Elaine Pagels, "In AD 367, Athanasius, the zealous bishop of Alexandria... issued an Easter letter in which he demanded that Egyptian monks destroy all such unacceptable writings, except for those he specifically listed as 'acceptable' even 'canonical' — a list that constitutes the present 'New Testament'".[3] Pagels cites Athanasius's Paschal letter (letter 39) for 367 AD, which prescribes a canon but does not explicitly order monks to destroy excluded works.[4][original research?] Heretical texts do not turn up as palimpsests, washed clean and overwritten, as do many texts of Classical antiquity. According to author Rebecca Knuth, multitudes of early Christian texts have been as thoroughly "destroyed" as if they had been publicly burnt.[5]
Burning of Aztec and Mayan manuscripts in 1560's
During the conquest of the Americas and the aftermath of the encounter between European and indigenous American civilizations, many books written by indigenous peoples were destroyed. There were many books in existence at the time of the Spanish conquest of Yucatán in the 16th century, however most were destroyed by the Conquistadors and Catholic priests. In particular, many in Yucatán were ordered destroyed by Bishop Diego de Landa in July of 1562. De Landa wrote: "We found a large number of books in these characters and, as they contained nothing in which were not to be seen as superstition and lies of the devil, we burned them all, which they (the Maya) regretted to an amazing degree, and which caused them much affliction." -
YESUntil I see a post worth replying to, I'm done with this thread. The evidence is clear and barely worth debating at this point.
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YES & NOthe burning of religious texts does not count as holding back technological progress because there is nothing technological about religious texts.
As for the mayan burning, yes that was a horrible event and nobody knows what was in those codices so @kingblaze84 you have put fourth one event in a history of thousands years and i can give you another but ? that you will have to look for it yourself. -
Lmfao you quote Wikipedia sources and then try to claim they higher ground like you been dropping knowledge even though I already schooled you on every other ? source you cited. Lol ok but on to this one.
How was the burning of religious books considered blasphemous determinate to the advancemental if human advancement?
What did the Mayan books hold that stop human advancement when most likely they were religious text
Telling me to brush up on history brah you grasping for any point that you think you can make throwing it out without any context of what it led to and effect it had and then trying to claim the higher ground when everyone says your wrong. It's ok thoughnot everyman can articulate and defend their opinions well -
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means nothing. "73% of people agree that religion has held human advancement back" doesn't mean the arguing is being supported, it means people agree with the poll question.kingblaze84 wrote: »73% though? Humanity has spoken.
people in the thread are making pro/con arguments, i think that's the real topic, basically. poll is perhaps representative of opinion but doesn't really make an argument. -
Religion in it's self, is divisive and has destroyed the potential diplomatic relationships between many countries ending what could have been harmonious relationships through its holy wars, Catholic vs Protestant, Jew vs Muslim, Muslim vs Muslim. The problem with religion, especially ones who "speak" the revealed word of ? is the claim to speak for ? . I think religion will continue to hold us back as a species for centuries to come, sadly.
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And_So_It_Burns wrote: »Religion in it's self, is divisive and has destroyed the potential diplomatic relationships between many countries ending what could have been harmonious relationships through its holy wars, Catholic vs Protestant, Jew vs Muslim, Muslim vs Muslim. The problem with religion, especially ones who "speak" the revealed word of ? is the claim to speak for ? . I think religion will continue to hold us back as a species for centuries to come, sadly.
Didn't see your post but I got you
Ok so if countries were primarily religious and that's was almost as important as national identity even more so in some areas od the world (ME) then its only natural to be in conflict with each other views. Of course again that's a huge assumption that the religion has caused the fall in relationship and not the actual politics with an example being 1st crusade something that's looked at as a religious fervor when it was more so politically motivated. -
The_Jackal wrote: »And_So_It_Burns wrote: »Religion in it's self, is divisive and has destroyed the potential diplomatic relationships between many countries ending what could have been harmonious relationships through its holy wars, Catholic vs Protestant, Jew vs Muslim, Muslim vs Muslim. The problem with religion, especially ones who "speak" the revealed word of ? is the claim to speak for ? . I think religion will continue to hold us back as a species for centuries to come, sadly.
Didn't see your post but I got you
Ok so if countries were primarily religious and that's was almost as important as national identity even more so in some areas od the world (ME) then its only natural to be in conflict with each other views. Of course again that's a huge assumption that the religion has caused the fall in relationship and not the actual politics with an example being 1st crusade something that's looked at as a religious fervor when it was more so politically motivated.
I think it's naive to imply these divides were caused by nationalism and not religious differences. Just look at the sectarian war in the Muslim world. The other side is label as heretics, this of course can be demonstrated between the alliances of Sunni countries and their united opposition to the Shiites, so no it's not nationalism/political that's growing this divide. I think, yes it will eventually grow into a political issue but that's secondary to the true core of the divide.
I don't think an argument could be articulated for the Christian persecution of Jews other than for purely theological reasons. -
And_So_It_Burns wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »And_So_It_Burns wrote: »Religion in it's self, is divisive and has destroyed the potential diplomatic relationships between many countries ending what could have been harmonious relationships through its holy wars, Catholic vs Protestant, Jew vs Muslim, Muslim vs Muslim. The problem with religion, especially ones who "speak" the revealed word of ? is the claim to speak for ? . I think religion will continue to hold us back as a species for centuries to come, sadly.
Didn't see your post but I got you
Ok so if countries were primarily religious and that's was almost as important as national identity even more so in some areas od the world (ME) then its only natural to be in conflict with each other views. Of course again that's a huge assumption that the religion has caused the fall in relationship and not the actual politics with an example being 1st crusade something that's looked at as a religious fervor when it was more so politically motivated.
I think it's naive to imply these divides were caused by nationalism and not religious differences. Just look at the sectarian war in the Muslim world. The other side is label as heretics, this of course can be demonstrated between the alliances of Sunni countries and their united opposition to the Shiites, so no it's not nationalism/political that's growing this divide. I think, yes it will eventually grow into a political issue but that's secondary to the true core of the divide.
I don't think an argument could be articulated for the Christian persecution of Jews other than for purely theological reasons.
Its not naive at all if we have countless examples to show of it throughout history though I didn't deny that their have been religious wars. I bet that I could find more wars that started as a poltical issues that was subverted into a religious issues because it was easier to justify yourself that way.
And I've been saying throughout this thread that there truly have been horrible things done in the name of religion but how does it correlate to stopping human advancement especially in science and mathematics. All blaze and baron have done this whole thread is use bad "sources" generalization and put for hypothesis if what they said could even be called that. I mean just go back the last page and see the ? they talking about as far as philosophers go
