To those who believe in a kind and merciful ? ....why is the world so hostile to life?
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kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »Like DoU said...sin.
? wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think ? needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and ? .
This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible ? never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?
And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.
Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if ? allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to ? the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.
? wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in ? 's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.
How are people as a whole supposed to get right spiritually? Unless a ? comes down and proves himself or herself to people worldwide, no one will have the same view. People will have their differences and resources and other animals will still compete for them.
If the environment wasn't so harsh to animals and humans worldwide, you would have a point. Many spiritual or religious places suffer from tsunamis, hurricanes, floods and everything else. There are cases of churches being hit with tornadoes during Christmas.
Because of sin, we can't...and won't...get right spiritually. Apart from trusting in the person and work of Jesus, ? is holding us spiritually accountable. It's not enough to keep the rules. We must do so in spirit. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »DoUwant2go2Heaven wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »DoUwant2go2Heaven wrote: »Sin
I thought you said Jesus forgave and died for our sins? Are you trying to say him dying for our sins didn't make a difference in the long term?
1. For the believer, Yes, the death and Resurrection of Yeshua granted victory for all those who trust in what He did and in who He is.
2. But for the unbeliever, like yourself, the wrath of ? still abides on you because you are still condemned by the unconfessed and unrepentant sin in your life.
3. That is why you are trying to find loop holes on how to get out from under the judgment to come without dealing with the sin in your life.
4. Try as you may, even till you have wearied yourself with argumentation, ? will always get the last word because He has the ACE card in the hole.
5. That ACE card is death, and once ? requires your soul, you will give an account to Him about why you refused to believe. Amen.
6. And if that terrible fate falls upon you, there will be no arguments, no 2nd chances, no tears, no pleading, no mercy, no forgiveness, and no love for you on that day. Only wailing and gnashing of teeth will forever be your lot because you refused to humble yourself and admit that you were wrong and that ? is always right while living on this side of eternity. Amen.
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7. ...who is rich in mercy, for his great love where with he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, has quickened us together with Christ. For by grace we are saved! And has raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus! That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace we are saved through faith; and that is not of ourselves: it is the gift of ? : Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which ? hath before ordained that we should walk in them! Hallelujah!
But the question is do you want be raised up to sit in heavenly places or cast down to the bottom of the pit where the smoke of your torment will ascend up forever and ever? Yes, that is the question!
Amen.
I haven't been threatened online like that in a long time. Very scary stuff but let's say your Bible ? is real....
Why should I "believe" when it hasn't proven himself yet? When the savior comes according to the Old Testament, natural disasters would end. But we still have them after Jesus died and "forgave" our sins. So why do we still have earthquakes and tornadoes 2,000 years later? Somebody lied to you.
1. As Paul would say, "Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;" Amen.
2. ? has made His existence known. Only fools say "there is no ? ".
3. When Yeshua comes again He will put an end to all sin and rebellion.
4. His mercy is being extended to you at this very moment because He has delayed His coming. You would be eternally lost if ? came right now. But ? is still giving you time to repent and turn to Him. Amen.
5. Will you come to Him today? -
This ? trolling.
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alissowack wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »Like DoU said...sin.
? wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think ? needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and ? .
This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible ? never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?
And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.
Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if ? allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to ? the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.
? wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in ? 's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.
How are people as a whole supposed to get right spiritually? Unless a ? comes down and proves himself or herself to people worldwide, no one will have the same view. People will have their differences and resources and other animals will still compete for them.
If the environment wasn't so harsh to animals and humans worldwide, you would have a point. Many spiritual or religious places suffer from tsunamis, hurricanes, floods and everything else. There are cases of churches being hit with tornadoes during Christmas.
Because of sin, we can't...and won't...get right spiritually. Apart from trusting in the person and work of Jesus, ? is holding us spiritually accountable. It's not enough to keep the rules. We must 't thaso in spirit.
How are people supposed to stop sinning, if we're made with desires? And why should that be a reason to allow flesh eating bacteria to exist, isn't that harsh? -
DoUwant2go2Heaven wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »DoUwant2go2Heaven wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »DoUwant2go2Heaven wrote: »Sin
I thought you said Jesus forgave and died for our sins? Are you trying to say him dying for our sins didn't make a difference in the long term?
1. For the believer, Yes, the death and Resurrection of Yeshua granted victory for all those who trust in what He did and in who He is.
2. But for the unbeliever, like yourself, the wrath of ? still abides on you because you are still condemned by the unconfessed and unrepentant sin in your life.
3. That is why you are trying to find loop holes on how to get out from under the judgment to come without dealing with the sin in your life.
4. Try as you may, even till you have wearied yourself with argumentation, ? will always get the last word because He has the ACE card in the hole.
5. That ACE card is death, and once ? requires your soul, you will give an account to Him about why you refused to believe. Amen.
6. And if that terrible fate falls upon you, there will be no arguments, no 2nd chances, no tears, no pleading, no mercy, no forgiveness, and no love for you on that day. Only wailing and gnashing of teeth will forever be your lot because you refused to humble yourself and admit that you were wrong and that ? is always right while living on this side of eternity. Amen.
[img]http://www.rubberontheroad.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/a-But-? .jpg[/img]
7. ...who is rich in mercy, for his great love where with he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, has quickened us together with Christ. For by grace we are saved! And has raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus! That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace we are saved through faith; and that is not of ourselves: it is the gift of ? : Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which ? hath before ordained that we should walk in them! Hallelujah!
But the question is do you want be raised up to sit in heavenly places or cast down to the bottom of the pit where the smoke of your torment will ascend up forever and ever? Yes, that is the question!
Amen.
I haven't been threatened online like that in a long time. Very scary stuff but let's say your Bible ? is real....
Why should I "believe" when it hasn't proven himself yet? When the savior comes according to the Old Testament, natural disasters would end. But we still have them after Jesus died and "forgave" our sins. So why do we still have earthquakes and tornadoes 2,000 years later? Somebody lied to you.
1. As Paul would say, "Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;" Amen.
2. ? has made His existence known. Only fools say "there is no ? ".
3. When Yeshua comes again He will put an end to all sin and rebellion.
4. His mercy is being extended to you at this very moment because He has delayed His coming. You would be eternally lost if ? came right now. But ? is still giving you time to repent and turn to Him. Amen.
5. Will you come to Him today?
Yeah yeah yeah. Shouldn't he show himself by now, because people are still gonna keep sinning. And 70% of the world does not believe in the Christian ? , Muslims do not believe a ? is three people or beings in one. And since Muslims and non-religious are growing at faster rates then Christians, Yeshua might as well show up now. If not then you have no proof of what you're saying. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »Like DoU said...sin.
? wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think ? needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and ? .
This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible ? never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?
And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.
Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if ? allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to ? the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.
? wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in ? 's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.
How are people as a whole supposed to get right spiritually? Unless a ? comes down and proves himself or herself to people worldwide, no one will have the same view. People will have their differences and resources and other animals will still compete for them.
If the environment wasn't so harsh to animals and humans worldwide, you would have a point. Many spiritual or religious places suffer from tsunamis, hurricanes, floods and everything else. There are cases of churches being hit with tornadoes during Christmas.
You are supposed to build your own personal relationship with ? because even if he did reveal himself to the whole world people still would not believe in him especially if he does not do what they want him to do.
jesus walked the earth and basically did magic for people and still some would not believe
I do have a spiritual side to me, and I don't believe the universe is completely hostile to us but there's still no evidence the Christian perspective makes sense. There are some nice things about it but it doesn't answer the basic question at the end of the day. Jesus did some magic and that's cool, but David Blaine is good at magic too. What happened to fulfilling the prophecies, is that not important to the Bible ? anymore? -
I can see now why the Catholic Church didn't want the Bible to be read by most people back in the day....many of them were afraid of the many holes in the story. But if the Christian perspective comforts some of ya'll, that's cool. But I can see why church leadership in the past weren't comfortable with the Bible having its words analyzed.
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kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »Like DoU said...sin.
? wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think ? needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and ? .
This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible ? never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?
And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.
Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if ? allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to ? the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.
? wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in ? 's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.
How are people as a whole supposed to get right spiritually? Unless a ? comes down and proves himself or herself to people worldwide, no one will have the same view. People will have their differences and resources and other animals will still compete for them.
If the environment wasn't so harsh to animals and humans worldwide, you would have a point. Many spiritual or religious places suffer from tsunamis, hurricanes, floods and everything else. There are cases of churches being hit with tornadoes during Christmas.
Because of sin, we can't...and won't...get right spiritually. Apart from trusting in the person and work of Jesus, ? is holding us spiritually accountable. It's not enough to keep the rules. We must 't thaso in spirit.
How are people supposed to stop sinning, if we're made with desires? And why should that be a reason to allow flesh eating bacteria to exist, isn't that harsh?
There is nothing inherently wrong with desires. It is when our desires are not "in spirit". Because of sin, our desire's fall short. We can't be happy, sad, or angry without it being destructive towards the spirit of things.
If flesh-eating bacteria is the reason for our spiritual deterioration, it would be harsh. -
alissowack wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »Like DoU said...sin.
? wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think ? needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and ? .
This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible ? never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?
And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.
Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if ? allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to ? the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.
? wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in ? 's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.
How are people as a whole supposed to get right spiritually? Unless a ? comes down and proves himself or herself to people worldwide, no one will have the same view. People will have their differences and resources and other animals will still compete for them.
If the environment wasn't so harsh to animals and humans worldwide, you would have a point. Many spiritual or religious places suffer from tsunamis, hurricanes, floods and everything else. There are cases of churches being hit with tornadoes during Christmas.
Because of sin, we can't...and won't...get right spiritually. Apart from trusting in the person and work of Jesus, ? is holding us spiritually accountable. It's not enough to keep the rules. We must 't thaso in spirit.
How are people supposed to stop sinning, if we're made with desires? And why should that be a reason to allow flesh eating bacteria to exist, isn't that harsh?
There is nothing inherently wrong with desires. It is when our desires are not "in spirit". Because of sin, our desire's fall short. We can't be happy, sad, or angry without it being destructive towards the spirit of things.
If flesh-eating bacteria is the reason for our spiritual deterioration, it would be harsh.
So what would the solution to all this sinning be? To follow the rules of the Bible 100%? To the T? -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »Like DoU said...sin.
? wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think ? needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and ? .
This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible ? never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?
And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.
Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if ? allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to ? the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.
? wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in ? 's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.
How are people as a whole supposed to get right spiritually? Unless a ? comes down and proves himself or herself to people worldwide, no one will have the same view. People will have their differences and resources and other animals will still compete for them.
If the environment wasn't so harsh to animals and humans worldwide, you would have a point. Many spiritual or religious places suffer from tsunamis, hurricanes, floods and everything else. There are cases of churches being hit with tornadoes during Christmas.
You are supposed to build your own personal relationship with ? because even if he did reveal himself to the whole world people still would not believe in him especially if he does not do what they want him to do.
jesus walked the earth and basically did magic for people and still some would not believe
I do have a spiritual side to me, and I don't believe the universe is completely hostile to us but there's still no evidence the Christian perspective makes sense. There are some nice things about it but it doesn't answer the basic question at the end of the day. Jesus did some magic and that's cool, but David Blaine is good at magic too. What happened to fulfilling the prophecies, is that not important to the Bible ? anymore?
The Christian perspective doesn't make sense to you because you don't have a personal relationship with ? . We have been over this already christ fulfilled the prophecies about him
Your question has been answered you either accept the answer or you don't... If you don't understand the answer then just say so but people have answered you. Your pride is really at satanic levels.
Stop trolling you are smarter then this David Blaine does illusions not magic he doesn't do the impossible everything he does is within the laws of physics. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »Like DoU said...sin.
? wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think ? needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and ? .
This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible ? never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?
And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.
Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if ? allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to ? the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.
? wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in ? 's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.
How are people as a whole supposed to get right spiritually? Unless a ? comes down and proves himself or herself to people worldwide, no one will have the same view. People will have their differences and resources and other animals will still compete for them.
If the environment wasn't so harsh to animals and humans worldwide, you would have a point. Many spiritual or religious places suffer from tsunamis, hurricanes, floods and everything else. There are cases of churches being hit with tornadoes during Christmas.
You are supposed to build your own personal relationship with ? because even if he did reveal himself to the whole world people still would not believe in him especially if he does not do what they want him to do.
jesus walked the earth and basically did magic for people and still some would not believe
I do have a spiritual side to me, and I don't believe the universe is completely hostile to us but there's still no evidence the Christian perspective makes sense. There are some nice things about it but it doesn't answer the basic question at the end of the day. Jesus did some magic and that's cool, but David Blaine is good at magic too. What happened to fulfilling the prophecies, is that not important to the Bible ? anymore?
The Christian perspective doesn't make sense to you because you don't have a personal relationship with ? . We have been over this already christ fulfilled the prophecies about him
Your question has been answered you either accept the answer or you don't... If you don't understand the answer then just say so but people have answered you. Your pride is really at satanic levels.
Stop trolling you are smarter then this David Blaine does illusions not magic he doesn't do the impossible everything he does is within the laws of physics.
If I am to believe this, when is the last time Jesus did a miracle? I ask because many different gods these days get credit for miracles too, so there are different gods someone could build a relationship with. And no, Jesus did not fulfill ALL the prophecies, some of them I guess but there are others who claimed to be messiahs too. No evidence your Christian perspective is correct or makes much sense long term. You know this already deep down, but you keep a good front. You know damn well the REAL impressive parts of the old prophecies haven't been fulfilled.
If they were, I wouldn't have created this thread. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »Like DoU said...sin.
? wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think ? needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and ? .
This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible ? never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?
And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.
Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if ? allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to ? the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.
? wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in ? 's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.
How are people as a whole supposed to get right spiritually? Unless a ? comes down and proves himself or herself to people worldwide, no one will have the same view. People will have their differences and resources and other animals will still compete for them.
If the environment wasn't so harsh to animals and humans worldwide, you would have a point. Many spiritual or religious places suffer from tsunamis, hurricanes, floods and everything else. There are cases of churches being hit with tornadoes during Christmas.
You are supposed to build your own personal relationship with ? because even if he did reveal himself to the whole world people still would not believe in him especially if he does not do what they want him to do.
jesus walked the earth and basically did magic for people and still some would not believe
I do have a spiritual side to me, and I don't believe the universe is completely hostile to us but there's still no evidence the Christian perspective makes sense. There are some nice things about it but it doesn't answer the basic question at the end of the day. Jesus did some magic and that's cool, but David Blaine is good at magic too. What happened to fulfilling the prophecies, is that not important to the Bible ? anymore?
The Christian perspective doesn't make sense to you because you don't have a personal relationship with ? . We have been over this already christ fulfilled the prophecies about him
Your question has been answered you either accept the answer or you don't... If you don't understand the answer then just say so but people have answered you. Your pride is really at satanic levels.
Stop trolling you are smarter then this David Blaine does illusions not magic he doesn't do the impossible everything he does is within the laws of physics.
If I am to believe this, when is the last time Jesus did a miracle? I ask because many different gods these days get credit for miracles too, so there are different gods someone could build a relationship with. And no, Jesus did not fulfill ALL the prophecies, some of them I guess but there are others who claimed to be messiahs too. No evidence your Christian perspective is correct or makes much sense long term. You know this already deep down, but you keep a good front. You know damn well the REAL impressive parts of the old prophecies haven't been fulfilled.
If they were, I wouldn't have created this thread.
If you want to see Jesus do a miracle you should get to know him. Which other gods are you talking about??? Because Jesus is a personal ? the gods of every other major religion are impersonal deities.
Christ full filled every prophecy about his coming that's a topic we went over with you already in other threads and I don't feel like going over it again with you in this one.
The Real impressive prophecies include what to you???? The white throne judgment is that what you expect??? -
kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »Like DoU said...sin.
? wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think ? needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and ? .
This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible ? never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?
And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.
Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if ? allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to ? the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.
? wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in ? 's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.
How are people as a whole supposed to get right spiritually? Unless a ? comes down and proves himself or herself to people worldwide, no one will have the same view. People will have their differences and resources and other animals will still compete for them.
If the environment wasn't so harsh to animals and humans worldwide, you would have a point. Many spiritual or religious places suffer from tsunamis, hurricanes, floods and everything else. There are cases of churches being hit with tornadoes during Christmas.
Because of sin, we can't...and won't...get right spiritually. Apart from trusting in the person and work of Jesus, ? is holding us spiritually accountable. It's not enough to keep the rules. We must 't thaso in spirit.
How are people supposed to stop sinning, if we're made with desires? And why should that be a reason to allow flesh eating bacteria to exist, isn't that harsh?
There is nothing inherently wrong with desires. It is when our desires are not "in spirit". Because of sin, our desire's fall short. We can't be happy, sad, or angry without it being destructive towards the spirit of things.
If flesh-eating bacteria is the reason for our spiritual deterioration, it would be harsh.
So what would the solution to all this sinning be? To follow the rules of the Bible 100%? To the T?
In a previous post I gave a solution...apart from trusting in the person and work of Jesus for ? 's Favor, there is nothing we can do. If we follow the rules...it would need to be done in honor of His Favor. -
Nature.
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kingblaze84 wrote: »DoUwant2go2Heaven wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »DoUwant2go2Heaven wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »DoUwant2go2Heaven wrote: »Sin
I thought you said Jesus forgave and died for our sins? Are you trying to say him dying for our sins didn't make a difference in the long term?
1. For the believer, Yes, the death and Resurrection of Yeshua granted victory for all those who trust in what He did and in who He is.
2. But for the unbeliever, like yourself, the wrath of ? still abides on you because you are still condemned by the unconfessed and unrepentant sin in your life.
3. That is why you are trying to find loop holes on how to get out from under the judgment to come without dealing with the sin in your life.
4. Try as you may, even till you have wearied yourself with argumentation, ? will always get the last word because He has the ACE card in the hole.
5. That ACE card is death, and once ? requires your soul, you will give an account to Him about why you refused to believe. Amen.
6. And if that terrible fate falls upon you, there will be no arguments, no 2nd chances, no tears, no pleading, no mercy, no forgiveness, and no love for you on that day. Only wailing and gnashing of teeth will forever be your lot because you refused to humble yourself and admit that you were wrong and that ? is always right while living on this side of eternity. Amen.
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7. ...who is rich in mercy, for his great love where with he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, has quickened us together with Christ. For by grace we are saved! And has raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus! That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace we are saved through faith; and that is not of ourselves: it is the gift of ? : Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which ? hath before ordained that we should walk in them! Hallelujah!
But the question is do you want be raised up to sit in heavenly places or cast down to the bottom of the pit where the smoke of your torment will ascend up forever and ever? Yes, that is the question!
Amen.
I haven't been threatened online like that in a long time. Very scary stuff but let's say your Bible ? is real....
Why should I "believe" when it hasn't proven himself yet? When the savior comes according to the Old Testament, natural disasters would end. But we still have them after Jesus died and "forgave" our sins. So why do we still have earthquakes and tornadoes 2,000 years later? Somebody lied to you.
1. As Paul would say, "Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;" Amen.
2. ? has made His existence known. Only fools say "there is no ? ".
3. When Yeshua comes again He will put an end to all sin and rebellion.
4. His mercy is being extended to you at this very moment because He has delayed His coming. You would be eternally lost if ? came right now. But ? is still giving you time to repent and turn to Him. Amen.
5. Will you come to Him today?
Yeah yeah yeah. Shouldn't he show himself by now, because people are still gonna keep sinning. And 70% of the world does not believe in the Christian ? , Muslims do not believe a ? is three people or beings in one. And since Muslims and non-religious are growing at faster rates then Christians, Yeshua might as well show up now. If not then you have no proof of what you're saying.
1. Woe to those that desire the day of the LORD! For what end is it for you? The day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
2. For that day will be as if a man fled from a lion.....
......and a bear met him!
3. Or who went into a house and leaned his hand on a wall and a serpent bit him!
4. Yes! Shall not the Day of the LORD.....
......be darkness
....and not light!
EVEN VERY DARK WITH NO BRIGHTNESS IN IT!!!!!!!!!
Amen.
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Ajackson17 wrote: »
We see nature we dont know why nature and that is all there is.. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »Like DoU said...sin.
? wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think ? needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and ? .
This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible ? never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?
And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.
Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if ? allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to ? the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.
? wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in ? 's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.
How are people as a whole supposed to get right spiritually? Unless a ? comes down and proves himself or herself to people worldwide, no one will have the same view. People will have their differences and resources and other animals will still compete for them.
If the environment wasn't so harsh to animals and humans worldwide, you would have a point. Many spiritual or religious places suffer from tsunamis, hurricanes, floods and everything else. There are cases of churches being hit with tornadoes during Christmas.
You are supposed to build your own personal relationship with ? because even if he did reveal himself to the whole world people still would not believe in him especially if he does not do what they want him to do.
jesus walked the earth and basically did magic for people and still some would not believe
I do have a spiritual side to me, and I don't believe the universe is completely hostile to us but there's still no evidence the Christian perspective makes sense. There are some nice things about it but it doesn't answer the basic question at the end of the day. Jesus did some magic and that's cool, but David Blaine is good at magic too. What happened to fulfilling the prophecies, is that not important to the Bible ? anymore?
The Christian perspective doesn't make sense to you because you don't have a personal relationship with ? . We have been over this already christ fulfilled the prophecies about him
Your question has been answered you either accept the answer or you don't... If you don't understand the answer then just say so but people have answered you. Your pride is really at satanic levels.
Stop trolling you are smarter then this David Blaine does illusions not magic he doesn't do the impossible everything he does is within the laws of physics.
If I am to believe this, when is the last time Jesus did a miracle? I ask because many different gods these days get credit for miracles too, so there are different gods someone could build a relationship with. And no, Jesus did not fulfill ALL the prophecies, some of them I guess but there are others who claimed to be messiahs too. No evidence your Christian perspective is correct or makes much sense long term. You know this already deep down, but you keep a good front. You know damn well the REAL impressive parts of the old prophecies haven't been fulfilled.
If they were, I wouldn't have created this thread.
If you want to see Jesus do a miracle you should get to know him. Which other gods are you talking about??? Because Jesus is a personal ? the gods of every other major religion are impersonal deities.
Christ full filled every prophecy about his coming that's a topic we went over with you already in other threads and I don't feel like going over it again with you in this one.
The Real impressive prophecies include what to you???? The white throne judgment is that what you expect???
Shiva, Brahman, Odin, and different African gods are all worshipped these days, praised for their many miracles. Look at the Japanese Shinto religion, different gods there. Some or even many of these gods can be called personal too, it's not like your ? is the only one in town.
And you know exactly what the real impressive prophecies are, world peace, everyone on Earth worshipping the same ? , and Israel being at peace with its neighbors. Have any of these things happened yet? No, so I'm not impressed with the Christian viewpoint. When your boy Jesus fulfills those prophecies, I'll be impressed. Until then, 70% of the world won't be impressed either.
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alissowack wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »Like DoU said...sin.
? wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think ? needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and ? .
This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible ? never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?
And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.
Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if ? allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to ? the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.
? wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in ? 's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.
How are people as a whole supposed to get right spiritually? Unless a ? comes down and proves himself or herself to people worldwide, no one will have the same view. People will have their differences and resources and other animals will still compete for them.
If the environment wasn't so harsh to animals and humans worldwide, you would have a point. Many spiritual or religious places suffer from tsunamis, hurricanes, floods and everything else. There are cases of churches being hit with tornadoes during Christmas.
Because of sin, we can't...and won't...get right spiritually. Apart from trusting in the person and work of Jesus, ? is holding us spiritually accountable. It's not enough to keep the rules. We must 't thaso in spirit.
How are people supposed to stop sinning, if we're made with desires? And why should that be a reason to allow flesh eating bacteria to exist, isn't that harsh?
There is nothing inherently wrong with desires. It is when our desires are not "in spirit". Because of sin, our desire's fall short. We can't be happy, sad, or angry without it being destructive towards the spirit of things.
If flesh-eating bacteria is the reason for our spiritual deterioration, it would be harsh.
So what would the solution to all this sinning be? To follow the rules of the Bible 100%? To the T?
In a previous post I gave a solution...apart from trusting in the person and work of Jesus for ? 's Favor, there is nothing we can do. If we follow the rules...it would need to be done in honor of His Favor.
So basically, flesh eating bacteria and hurricanes will be around until the end of time. Sounds harsh if all this comes from "one" ? . If one ? made flesh eating bacteria that eats a baby's skin as it's alive, many times without anesthesia, doesn't that make the Bible ? seem kind of evil?
I would rather someone say there are other gods or beings that are bringing these harsh things to Earth. But you say the Bible ? has made these things. Pretty disturbing. -
Ajackson17 wrote: »
We see nature we dont know why nature and that is all there is..
Yeah nature is a funny thing, very beautiful in so many ways but in other ways, very harsh to most of the life that lives on Earth and other places. We truly don't know why the world is the way it is, but it's interesting seeing the different viewpoints that are out there.
What scientists say about Earth, especially Neil Degrase Tyson, is kind of creepy though. Some say Earth treats humans and animals like a virus. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »Like DoU said...sin.
? wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think ? needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and ? .
This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible ? never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?
And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.
Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if ? allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to ? the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.
? wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in ? 's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.
How are people as a whole supposed to get right spiritually? Unless a ? comes down and proves himself or herself to people worldwide, no one will have the same view. People will have their differences and resources and other animals will still compete for them.
If the environment wasn't so harsh to animals and humans worldwide, you would have a point. Many spiritual or religious places suffer from tsunamis, hurricanes, floods and everything else. There are cases of churches being hit with tornadoes during Christmas.
You are supposed to build your own personal relationship with ? because even if he did reveal himself to the whole world people still would not believe in him especially if he does not do what they want him to do.
jesus walked the earth and basically did magic for people and still some would not believe
I do have a spiritual side to me, and I don't believe the universe is completely hostile to us but there's still no evidence the Christian perspective makes sense. There are some nice things about it but it doesn't answer the basic question at the end of the day. Jesus did some magic and that's cool, but David Blaine is good at magic too. What happened to fulfilling the prophecies, is that not important to the Bible ? anymore?
The Christian perspective doesn't make sense to you because you don't have a personal relationship with ? . We have been over this already christ fulfilled the prophecies about him
Your question has been answered you either accept the answer or you don't... If you don't understand the answer then just say so but people have answered you. Your pride is really at satanic levels.
Stop trolling you are smarter then this David Blaine does illusions not magic he doesn't do the impossible everything he does is within the laws of physics.
If I am to believe this, when is the last time Jesus did a miracle? I ask because many different gods these days get credit for miracles too, so there are different gods someone could build a relationship with. And no, Jesus did not fulfill ALL the prophecies, some of them I guess but there are others who claimed to be messiahs too. No evidence your Christian perspective is correct or makes much sense long term. You know this already deep down, but you keep a good front. You know damn well the REAL impressive parts of the old prophecies haven't been fulfilled.
If they were, I wouldn't have created this thread.
If you want to see Jesus do a miracle you should get to know him. Which other gods are you talking about??? Because Jesus is a personal ? the gods of every other major religion are impersonal deities.
Christ full filled every prophecy about his coming that's a topic we went over with you already in other threads and I don't feel like going over it again with you in this one.
The Real impressive prophecies include what to you???? The white throne judgment is that what you expect???
Shiva, Brahman, Odin, and different African gods are all worshipped these days, praised for their many miracles. Look at the Japanese Shinto religion, different gods there. Some or even many of these gods can be called personal too, it's not like your ? is the only one in town.
And you know exactly what the real impressive prophecies are, world peace, everyone on Earth worshipping the same ? , and Israel being at peace with its neighbors. Have any of these things happened yet? No, so I'm not impressed with the Christian viewpoint. When your boy Jesus fulfills those prophecies, I'll be impressed. Until then, 70% of the world won't be impressed either.
you can put all the people who worship the old european gods in an nyc train station also the european gods you mentioned are all considered impersonal gods by modern adherants. AND I TOLD YOU THAT IF YOU WANT TO SEE A MIRACLE GET TO KNOW JESUS i DID not ask you about the gods of other religions. get to know jesus so that you can get your proof.
let me say it again and make it clear to you jesus fulfilled all the prophecies about the coming of the messaiah this is not impressive to you because you don't know ? . what you think you wish to see jesus himself laid down prophecies about and they are in action right now it's happening right now you are living within the time period in which these things are going on, you just cannot see it because you don't know ? and don't study the scriptures.
so it's like you want to see the forest but you are in the forest. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »Like DoU said...sin.
? wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think ? needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and ? .
This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible ? never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?
And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.
Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if ? allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to ? the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.
? wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in ? 's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.
How are people as a whole supposed to get right spiritually? Unless a ? comes down and proves himself or herself to people worldwide, no one will have the same view. People will have their differences and resources and other animals will still compete for them.
If the environment wasn't so harsh to animals and humans worldwide, you would have a point. Many spiritual or religious places suffer from tsunamis, hurricanes, floods and everything else. There are cases of churches being hit with tornadoes during Christmas.
You are supposed to build your own personal relationship with ? because even if he did reveal himself to the whole world people still would not believe in him especially if he does not do what they want him to do.
jesus walked the earth and basically did magic for people and still some would not believe
I do have a spiritual side to me, and I don't believe the universe is completely hostile to us but there's still no evidence the Christian perspective makes sense. There are some nice things about it but it doesn't answer the basic question at the end of the day. Jesus did some magic and that's cool, but David Blaine is good at magic too. What happened to fulfilling the prophecies, is that not important to the Bible ? anymore?
The Christian perspective doesn't make sense to you because you don't have a personal relationship with ? . We have been over this already christ fulfilled the prophecies about him
Your question has been answered you either accept the answer or you don't... If you don't understand the answer then just say so but people have answered you. Your pride is really at satanic levels.
Stop trolling you are smarter then this David Blaine does illusions not magic he doesn't do the impossible everything he does is within the laws of physics.
If I am to believe this, when is the last time Jesus did a miracle? I ask because many different gods these days get credit for miracles too, so there are different gods someone could build a relationship with. And no, Jesus did not fulfill ALL the prophecies, some of them I guess but there are others who claimed to be messiahs too. No evidence your Christian perspective is correct or makes much sense long term. You know this already deep down, but you keep a good front. You know damn well the REAL impressive parts of the old prophecies haven't been fulfilled.
If they were, I wouldn't have created this thread.
If you want to see Jesus do a miracle you should get to know him. Which other gods are you talking about??? Because Jesus is a personal ? the gods of every other major religion are impersonal deities.
Christ full filled every prophecy about his coming that's a topic we went over with you already in other threads and I don't feel like going over it again with you in this one.
The Real impressive prophecies include what to you???? The white throne judgment is that what you expect???
Shiva, Brahman, Odin, and different African gods are all worshipped these days, praised for their many miracles. Look at the Japanese Shinto religion, different gods there. Some or even many of these gods can be called personal too, it's not like your ? is the only one in town.
And you know exactly what the real impressive prophecies are, world peace, everyone on Earth worshipping the same ? , and Israel being at peace with its neighbors. Have any of these things happened yet? No, so I'm not impressed with the Christian viewpoint. When your boy Jesus fulfills those prophecies, I'll be impressed. Until then, 70% of the world won't be impressed either.
you can put all the people who worship the old european gods in an nyc train station also the european gods you mentioned are all considered impersonal gods by modern adherants. AND I TOLD YOU THAT IF YOU WANT TO SEE A MIRACLE GET TO KNOW JESUS i DID not ask you about the gods of other religions. get to know jesus so that you can get your proof.
let me say it again and make it clear to you jesus fulfilled all the prophecies about the coming of the messaiah this is not impressive to you because you don't know ? . what you think you wish to see jesus himself laid down prophecies about and they are in action right now it's happening right now you are living within the time period in which these things are going on, you just cannot see it because you don't know ? and don't study the scriptures.
so it's like you want to see the forest but you are in the forest.
OHH, so wait a minute, you think Jesus is coming back soon....? How soon is that, 500 years from now? Or sooner? -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »Like DoU said...sin.
? wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think ? needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and ? .
This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible ? never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?
And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.
Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if ? allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to ? the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.
? wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in ? 's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.
How are people as a whole supposed to get right spiritually? Unless a ? comes down and proves himself or herself to people worldwide, no one will have the same view. People will have their differences and resources and other animals will still compete for them.
If the environment wasn't so harsh to animals and humans worldwide, you would have a point. Many spiritual or religious places suffer from tsunamis, hurricanes, floods and everything else. There are cases of churches being hit with tornadoes during Christmas.
You are supposed to build your own personal relationship with ? because even if he did reveal himself to the whole world people still would not believe in him especially if he does not do what they want him to do.
jesus walked the earth and basically did magic for people and still some would not believe
I do have a spiritual side to me, and I don't believe the universe is completely hostile to us but there's still no evidence the Christian perspective makes sense. There are some nice things about it but it doesn't answer the basic question at the end of the day. Jesus did some magic and that's cool, but David Blaine is good at magic too. What happened to fulfilling the prophecies, is that not important to the Bible ? anymore?
The Christian perspective doesn't make sense to you because you don't have a personal relationship with ? . We have been over this already christ fulfilled the prophecies about him
Your question has been answered you either accept the answer or you don't... If you don't understand the answer then just say so but people have answered you. Your pride is really at satanic levels.
Stop trolling you are smarter then this David Blaine does illusions not magic he doesn't do the impossible everything he does is within the laws of physics.
If I am to believe this, when is the last time Jesus did a miracle? I ask because many different gods these days get credit for miracles too, so there are different gods someone could build a relationship with. And no, Jesus did not fulfill ALL the prophecies, some of them I guess but there are others who claimed to be messiahs too. No evidence your Christian perspective is correct or makes much sense long term. You know this already deep down, but you keep a good front. You know damn well the REAL impressive parts of the old prophecies haven't been fulfilled.
If they were, I wouldn't have created this thread.
If you want to see Jesus do a miracle you should get to know him. Which other gods are you talking about??? Because Jesus is a personal ? the gods of every other major religion are impersonal deities.
Christ full filled every prophecy about his coming that's a topic we went over with you already in other threads and I don't feel like going over it again with you in this one.
The Real impressive prophecies include what to you???? The white throne judgment is that what you expect???
Shiva, Brahman, Odin, and different African gods are all worshipped these days, praised for their many miracles. Look at the Japanese Shinto religion, different gods there. Some or even many of these gods can be called personal too, it's not like your ? is the only one in town.
And you know exactly what the real impressive prophecies are, world peace, everyone on Earth worshipping the same ? , and Israel being at peace with its neighbors. Have any of these things happened yet? No, so I'm not impressed with the Christian viewpoint. When your boy Jesus fulfills those prophecies, I'll be impressed. Until then, 70% of the world won't be impressed either.
you can put all the people who worship the old european gods in an nyc train station also the european gods you mentioned are all considered impersonal gods by modern adherants. AND I TOLD YOU THAT IF YOU WANT TO SEE A MIRACLE GET TO KNOW JESUS i DID not ask you about the gods of other religions. get to know jesus so that you can get your proof.
let me say it again and make it clear to you jesus fulfilled all the prophecies about the coming of the messaiah this is not impressive to you because you don't know ? . what you think you wish to see jesus himself laid down prophecies about and they are in action right now it's happening right now you are living within the time period in which these things are going on, you just cannot see it because you don't know ? and don't study the scriptures.
so it's like you want to see the forest but you are in the forest.
OHH, so wait a minute, you think Jesus is coming back soon....? How soon is that, 500 years from now? Or sooner?
who said anything about soon???? i told you that you are living in a time of fullfilment of prophecy you can see the prophecies working right now -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »alissowack wrote: »Like DoU said...sin.
? wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think ? needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and ? .
This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible ? never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?
And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.
Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if ? allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to ? the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.
? wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in ? 's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.
How are people as a whole supposed to get right spiritually? Unless a ? comes down and proves himself or herself to people worldwide, no one will have the same view. People will have their differences and resources and other animals will still compete for them.
If the environment wasn't so harsh to animals and humans worldwide, you would have a point. Many spiritual or religious places suffer from tsunamis, hurricanes, floods and everything else. There are cases of churches being hit with tornadoes during Christmas.
You are supposed to build your own personal relationship with ? because even if he did reveal himself to the whole world people still would not believe in him especially if he does not do what they want him to do.
jesus walked the earth and basically did magic for people and still some would not believe
I do have a spiritual side to me, and I don't believe the universe is completely hostile to us but there's still no evidence the Christian perspective makes sense. There are some nice things about it but it doesn't answer the basic question at the end of the day. Jesus did some magic and that's cool, but David Blaine is good at magic too. What happened to fulfilling the prophecies, is that not important to the Bible ? anymore?
The Christian perspective doesn't make sense to you because you don't have a personal relationship with ? . We have been over this already christ fulfilled the prophecies about him
Your question has been answered you either accept the answer or you don't... If you don't understand the answer then just say so but people have answered you. Your pride is really at satanic levels.
Stop trolling you are smarter then this David Blaine does illusions not magic he doesn't do the impossible everything he does is within the laws of physics.
If I am to believe this, when is the last time Jesus did a miracle? I ask because many different gods these days get credit for miracles too, so there are different gods someone could build a relationship with. And no, Jesus did not fulfill ALL the prophecies, some of them I guess but there are others who claimed to be messiahs too. No evidence your Christian perspective is correct or makes much sense long term. You know this already deep down, but you keep a good front. You know damn well the REAL impressive parts of the old prophecies haven't been fulfilled.
If they were, I wouldn't have created this thread.
If you want to see Jesus do a miracle you should get to know him. Which other gods are you talking about??? Because Jesus is a personal ? the gods of every other major religion are impersonal deities.
Christ full filled every prophecy about his coming that's a topic we went over with you already in other threads and I don't feel like going over it again with you in this one.
The Real impressive prophecies include what to you???? The white throne judgment is that what you expect???
Shiva, Brahman, Odin, and different African gods are all worshipped these days, praised for their many miracles. Look at the Japanese Shinto religion, different gods there. Some or even many of these gods can be called personal too, it's not like your ? is the only one in town.
And you know exactly what the real impressive prophecies are, world peace, everyone on Earth worshipping the same ? , and Israel being at peace with its neighbors. Have any of these things happened yet? No, so I'm not impressed with the Christian viewpoint. When your boy Jesus fulfills those prophecies, I'll be impressed. Until then, 70% of the world won't be impressed either.
you can put all the people who worship the old european gods in an nyc train station also the european gods you mentioned are all considered impersonal gods by modern adherants. AND I TOLD YOU THAT IF YOU WANT TO SEE A MIRACLE GET TO KNOW JESUS i DID not ask you about the gods of other religions. get to know jesus so that you can get your proof.
let me say it again and make it clear to you jesus fulfilled all the prophecies about the coming of the messaiah this is not impressive to you because you don't know ? . what you think you wish to see jesus himself laid down prophecies about and they are in action right now it's happening right now you are living within the time period in which these things are going on, you just cannot see it because you don't know ? and don't study the scriptures.
so it's like you want to see the forest but you are in the forest.
OHH, so wait a minute, you think Jesus is coming back soon....? How soon is that, 500 years from now? Or sooner?
who said anything about soon???? i told you that you are living in a time of fullfilment of prophecy you can see the prophecies working right now
No, there is not any sign of the big prophecies coming true. Let's break it down.
Is Israel close to achieving world peace with its neighbors? Hell no.
Is most of the world being united by the same ? ? No, still over one billion non religious out there and another billion plus who believe in multiple gods. Muslims have chased away Christians from the Middle East in embarrassing numbers. Jews remain hated in the region.
Is the world at world peace levels now? Nope, refugees haven't been this high from war torn nations since even before World War 2. Everything I mentioned, the real savior would have FULFILLED by now. It is very clear you worship, at best, a good guy who was not unique. -
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? wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think ? needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and ? .
This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible ? never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?
And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.
Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if ? allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to ? the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.
? wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in ? 's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.
How are people as a whole supposed to get right spiritually? Unless a ? comes down and proves himself or herself to people worldwide, no one will have the same view. People will have their differences and resources and other animals will still compete for them.
If the environment wasn't so harsh to animals and humans worldwide, you would have a point. Many spiritual or religious places suffer from tsunamis, hurricanes, floods and everything else. There are cases of churches being hit with tornadoes during Christmas.
You are supposed to build your own personal relationship with ? because even if he did reveal himself to the whole world people still would not believe in him especially if he does not do what they want him to do.
jesus walked the earth and basically did magic for people and still some would not believe
I do have a spiritual side to me, and I don't believe the universe is completely hostile to us but there's still no evidence the Christian perspective makes sense. There are some nice things about it but it doesn't answer the basic question at the end of the day. Jesus did some magic and that's cool, but David Blaine is good at magic too. What happened to fulfilling the prophecies, is that not important to the Bible ? anymore?
The Christian perspective doesn't make sense to you because you don't have a personal relationship with ? . We have been over this already christ fulfilled the prophecies about him
Your question has been answered you either accept the answer or you don't... If you don't understand the answer then just say so but people have answered you. Your pride is really at satanic levels.
Stop trolling you are smarter then this David Blaine does illusions not magic he doesn't do the impossible everything he does is within the laws of physics.
If I am to believe this, when is the last time Jesus did a miracle? I ask because many different gods these days get credit for miracles too, so there are different gods someone could build a relationship with. And no, Jesus did not fulfill ALL the prophecies, some of them I guess but there are others who claimed to be messiahs too. No evidence your Christian perspective is correct or makes much sense long term. You know this already deep down, but you keep a good front. You know damn well the REAL impressive parts of the old prophecies haven't been fulfilled.
If they were, I wouldn't have created this thread.
If you want to see Jesus do a miracle you should get to know him. Which other gods are you talking about??? Because Jesus is a personal ? the gods of every other major religion are impersonal deities.
Christ full filled every prophecy about his coming that's a topic we went over with you already in other threads and I don't feel like going over it again with you in this one.
The Real impressive prophecies include what to you???? The white throne judgment is that what you expect???
Shiva, Brahman, Odin, and different African gods are all worshipped these days, praised for their many miracles. Look at the Japanese Shinto religion, different gods there. Some or even many of these gods can be called personal too, it's not like your ? is the only one in town.
And you know exactly what the real impressive prophecies are, world peace, everyone on Earth worshipping the same ? , and Israel being at peace with its neighbors. Have any of these things happened yet? No, so I'm not impressed with the Christian viewpoint. When your boy Jesus fulfills those prophecies, I'll be impressed. Until then, 70% of the world won't be impressed either.
you can put all the people who worship the old european gods in an nyc train station also the european gods you mentioned are all considered impersonal gods by modern adherants. AND I TOLD YOU THAT IF YOU WANT TO SEE A MIRACLE GET TO KNOW JESUS i DID not ask you about the gods of other religions. get to know jesus so that you can get your proof.
let me say it again and make it clear to you jesus fulfilled all the prophecies about the coming of the messaiah this is not impressive to you because you don't know ? . what you think you wish to see jesus himself laid down prophecies about and they are in action right now it's happening right now you are living within the time period in which these things are going on, you just cannot see it because you don't know ? and don't study the scriptures.
so it's like you want to see the forest but you are in the forest.
OHH, so wait a minute, you think Jesus is coming back soon....? How soon is that, 500 years from now? Or sooner?
who said anything about soon???? i told you that you are living in a time of fullfilment of prophecy you can see the prophecies working right now
No, there is not any sign of the big prophecies coming true. Let's break it down.
Is Israel close to achieving world peace with its neighbors? Hell no.
Is most of the world being united by the same ? ? No, still over one billion non religious out there and another billion plus who believe in multiple gods. Muslims have chased away Christians from the Middle East in embarrassing numbers. Jews remain hated in the region.
Is the world at world peace levels now? Nope, refugees haven't been this high from war torn nations since even before World War 2. Everything I mentioned, the real savior would have FULFILLED by now. It is very clear you worship, at best, a good guy who was not unique.
The fact there is a Israel in the first place is a fulfilment of prophecy and is amazing considering how long ago Israel was destroyed
Christians being killed is part of the prophecies you are making the same mistakes the jews at the time christ made he said his kingdom was not of this earth.
First he came to save our souls then when he returns he will redeem the earth. This is what the jews didn't understand
