A Miami woman killed a teen burglar as he fled her home, police say. Should she be charged?
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Will Munny wrote: »mryounggun wrote: »I'm legit curious: How would this have had to play out for you guys to feel like she SHOULD have to go to jail? For example:
-He comes out of her house and is walking down the driveway, she pulls up in her car. He freezes. She hops out and they exchange words and she shoots him? Jail time or naw?
-He comes out of her house, walks down the driveway and starts walking down the sidewalk. She is coming down the street and sees him leave her house and she pulls up next to him on the street 50 feet from her house and shoots him? Jail time or naw?
-He comes out of her house and is hopping over the fence. She pulls a Willie Manchester and shoots him in the back as he is hopping the fence to get away. Jail time or naw?
Serious questions. Anyone want to tackle these?
Is anything ever black and white to you or is everything a giant hypothetical question?
? , damn near EVERYTHING is black and white to me. I said in my original post that he wasn't an imminent threat so she should have to go to jail for shooting him.
How much more black and white can I be?
But you wanna address those scenarios or na? -
mryounggun wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »mryounggun wrote: »I'm legit curious: How would this have had to play out for you guys to feel like she SHOULD have to go to jail? For example:
-He comes out of her house and is walking down the driveway, she pulls up in her car. He freezes. She hops out and they exchange words and she shoots him? Jail time or naw?
-He comes out of her house, walks down the driveway and starts walking down the sidewalk. She is coming down the street and sees him leave her house and she pulls up next to him on the street 50 feet from her house and shoots him? Jail time or naw?
-He comes out of her house and is hopping over the fence. She pulls a Willie Manchester and shoots him in the back as he is hopping the fence to get away. Jail time or naw?
Serious questions. Anyone want to tackle these?
Only legitimate one that would require jail time is the second. In 1&3 he is still on her property though it would be unfortunate if she shoot him in the back it wouldn't change him still be on her property. Of course things wouldn't be as cut in dry seeing we wouldn't know if she was threatened in the first instance and I highly doubt that she would beable to hit a moving target with a Manchester, especially since said women is suppose to be older.
Gotcha. So it's a property thin for you?
If a person is on your property and you shoot them, you shouldn't have to go to jail.
You agree or disagree with that?
illegally on your property depriving you of said property then yes. -
mryounggun wrote: »Will Munny wrote: »mryounggun wrote: »I'm legit curious: How would this have had to play out for you guys to feel like she SHOULD have to go to jail? For example:
-He comes out of her house and is walking down the driveway, she pulls up in her car. He freezes. She hops out and they exchange words and she shoots him? Jail time or naw?
-He comes out of her house, walks down the driveway and starts walking down the sidewalk. She is coming down the street and sees him leave her house and she pulls up next to him on the street 50 feet from her house and shoots him? Jail time or naw?
-He comes out of her house and is hopping over the fence. She pulls a Willie Manchester and shoots him in the back as he is hopping the fence to get away. Jail time or naw?
Serious questions. Anyone want to tackle these?
Is anything ever black and white to you or is everything a giant hypothetical question?
? , damn near EVERYTHING is black and white to me. I said in my original post that he wasn't an imminent threat so she should have to go to jail for shooting him.
How much more black and white can I be?
But you wanna address those scenarios or na?
Bruh the law in place made the situation black and white, you making it more complicated than it really needs to be. He was on her property, he got dealt with, the law says it was good.
End of discussion, ? all this what if she drove down the street and caught him slippin with her property while he was eating a ? she thought was a weapon. Lil ? got what was coming stop trying to spin it as more. -
mryounggun wrote: »Will Munny wrote: »mryounggun wrote: »I'm legit curious: How would this have had to play out for you guys to feel like she SHOULD have to go to jail? For example:
-He comes out of her house and is walking down the driveway, she pulls up in her car. He freezes. She hops out and they exchange words and she shoots him? Jail time or naw?
-He comes out of her house, walks down the driveway and starts walking down the sidewalk. She is coming down the street and sees him leave her house and she pulls up next to him on the street 50 feet from her house and shoots him? Jail time or naw?
-He comes out of her house and is hopping over the fence. She pulls a Willie Manchester and shoots him in the back as he is hopping the fence to get away. Jail time or naw?
Serious questions. Anyone want to tackle these?
Is anything ever black and white to you or is everything a giant hypothetical question?
? , damn near EVERYTHING is black and white to me. I said in my original post that he wasn't an imminent threat so she should have to go to jail for shooting him.
How much more black and white can I be?
But you wanna address those scenarios or na?
He was thought. His mere presence there was a threat to her simply for the unknown factors of what he could possibly do and what he possibly could have been armed with.
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dallas' 4 eva wrote: »mryounggun wrote: »Will Munny wrote: »mryounggun wrote: »I'm legit curious: How would this have had to play out for you guys to feel like she SHOULD have to go to jail? For example:
-He comes out of her house and is walking down the driveway, she pulls up in her car. He freezes. She hops out and they exchange words and she shoots him? Jail time or naw?
-He comes out of her house, walks down the driveway and starts walking down the sidewalk. She is coming down the street and sees him leave her house and she pulls up next to him on the street 50 feet from her house and shoots him? Jail time or naw?
-He comes out of her house and is hopping over the fence. She pulls a Willie Manchester and shoots him in the back as he is hopping the fence to get away. Jail time or naw?
Serious questions. Anyone want to tackle these?
Is anything ever black and white to you or is everything a giant hypothetical question?
? , damn near EVERYTHING is black and white to me. I said in my original post that he wasn't an imminent threat so she should have to go to jail for shooting him.
How much more black and white can I be?
But you wanna address those scenarios or na?
Bruh the law in place made the situation black and white, you making it more complicated than it really needs to be. He was on her property, he got dealt with, the law says it was good.
End of discussion, ? all this what if she drove down the street and caught him slippin with her property while he was eating a ? she thought was a weapon. Lil ? got what was coming stop trying to spin it as more.
How am I making it complicated? The post the Munny replied to had nothing to do with the law or made any mention of the law. I asked 'How would this have had to play out for you guys to feel like she SHOULD have to go to jail?'.
I just want ? opinions. Independent of what the law says. So...what are you talking about?
Answer the questions or don't *shrugs" -
The_Jackal wrote: »mryounggun wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »mryounggun wrote: »I'm legit curious: How would this have had to play out for you guys to feel like she SHOULD have to go to jail? For example:
-He comes out of her house and is walking down the driveway, she pulls up in her car. He freezes. She hops out and they exchange words and she shoots him? Jail time or naw?
-He comes out of her house, walks down the driveway and starts walking down the sidewalk. She is coming down the street and sees him leave her house and she pulls up next to him on the street 50 feet from her house and shoots him? Jail time or naw?
-He comes out of her house and is hopping over the fence. She pulls a Willie Manchester and shoots him in the back as he is hopping the fence to get away. Jail time or naw?
Serious questions. Anyone want to tackle these?
Only legitimate one that would require jail time is the second. In 1&3 he is still on her property though it would be unfortunate if she shoot him in the back it wouldn't change him still be on her property. Of course things wouldn't be as cut in dry seeing we wouldn't know if she was threatened in the first instance and I highly doubt that she would beable to hit a moving target with a Manchester, especially since said women is suppose to be older.
Gotcha. So it's a property thin for you?
If a person is on your property and you shoot them, you shouldn't have to go to jail.
You agree or disagree with that?
illegally on your property depriving you of said property then yes.
Gotcha. -
The_Jackal wrote: »mryounggun wrote: »Will Munny wrote: »mryounggun wrote: »I'm legit curious: How would this have had to play out for you guys to feel like she SHOULD have to go to jail? For example:
-He comes out of her house and is walking down the driveway, she pulls up in her car. He freezes. She hops out and they exchange words and she shoots him? Jail time or naw?
-He comes out of her house, walks down the driveway and starts walking down the sidewalk. She is coming down the street and sees him leave her house and she pulls up next to him on the street 50 feet from her house and shoots him? Jail time or naw?
-He comes out of her house and is hopping over the fence. She pulls a Willie Manchester and shoots him in the back as he is hopping the fence to get away. Jail time or naw?
Serious questions. Anyone want to tackle these?
Is anything ever black and white to you or is everything a giant hypothetical question?
? , damn near EVERYTHING is black and white to me. I said in my original post that he wasn't an imminent threat so she should have to go to jail for shooting him.
How much more black and white can I be?
But you wanna address those scenarios or na?
He was thought. His mere presence there was a threat to her simply for the unknown factors of what he could possibly do and what he possibly could have been armed with.
Stranger on your property = imminent threat because the stranger might be armed and might intend to do you harm
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Since I've shared my opinion would appreciate it if you would oblige us with your opinion.
What exactly would have made him an imminent threat?
Would he have to need a weapon on his person? Would him voicing a threat of violence be enough? Would him taking a dominate stanch or even advancing(wither it just be a simple step) aggressively be a threat that justified her shooting him? -
mryounggun wrote: »dallas' 4 eva wrote: »mryounggun wrote: »Will Munny wrote: »mryounggun wrote: »I'm legit curious: How would this have had to play out for you guys to feel like she SHOULD have to go to jail? For example:
-He comes out of her house and is walking down the driveway, she pulls up in her car. He freezes. She hops out and they exchange words and she shoots him? Jail time or naw?
-He comes out of her house, walks down the driveway and starts walking down the sidewalk. She is coming down the street and sees him leave her house and she pulls up next to him on the street 50 feet from her house and shoots him? Jail time or naw?
-He comes out of her house and is hopping over the fence. She pulls a Willie Manchester and shoots him in the back as he is hopping the fence to get away. Jail time or naw?
Serious questions. Anyone want to tackle these?
Is anything ever black and white to you or is everything a giant hypothetical question?
? , damn near EVERYTHING is black and white to me. I said in my original post that he wasn't an imminent threat so she should have to go to jail for shooting him.
How much more black and white can I be?
But you wanna address those scenarios or na?
Bruh the law in place made the situation black and white, you making it more complicated than it really needs to be. He was on her property, he got dealt with, the law says it was good.
End of discussion, ? all this what if she drove down the street and caught him slippin with her property while he was eating a ? she thought was a weapon. Lil ? got what was coming stop trying to spin it as more.
How am I making it complicated? The post the Munny replied to had nothing to do with the law or made any mention of the law. I asked 'How would this have had to play out for you guys to feel like she SHOULD have to go to jail?'.
I just want ? opinions. Independent of what the law says. So...what are you talking about?
Answer the questions or don't *shrugs"
You missing the point bruh, who gives a ? about the circumstances as to why she should have to go to jail for protecting her property and life?
Why even ask my ? it's pointless, you fail to realize to MANY people they property IS THEIR LIFE. ? get killed behind a couple dollars or shoes everyday, and you over here wondering how someone could want to take a life behind they HOUSE OF ALL PLACES being broken into. Lmao cut it out. -
She likely won't because Florida has strong castle doctrine / stand your ground laws.
I don't think self defense laws can be used to justify the death of someone who is fleeing though. If there is no longer a threat then the use of force is no longer justifiable. At that point it's just retributive justice, which is archaic. -
mryounggun wrote: »dallas' 4 eva wrote: »mryounggun wrote: »Will Munny wrote: »mryounggun wrote: »I'm legit curious: How would this have had to play out for you guys to feel like she SHOULD have to go to jail? For example:
-He comes out of her house and is walking down the driveway, she pulls up in her car. He freezes. She hops out and they exchange words and she shoots him? Jail time or naw?
-He comes out of her house, walks down the driveway and starts walking down the sidewalk. She is coming down the street and sees him leave her house and she pulls up next to him on the street 50 feet from her house and shoots him? Jail time or naw?
-He comes out of her house and is hopping over the fence. She pulls a Willie Manchester and shoots him in the back as he is hopping the fence to get away. Jail time or naw?
Serious questions. Anyone want to tackle these?
Is anything ever black and white to you or is everything a giant hypothetical question?
? , damn near EVERYTHING is black and white to me. I said in my original post that he wasn't an imminent threat so she should have to go to jail for shooting him.
How much more black and white can I be?
But you wanna address those scenarios or na?
Bruh the law in place made the situation black and white, you making it more complicated than it really needs to be. He was on her property, he got dealt with, the law says it was good.
End of discussion, ? all this what if she drove down the street and caught him slippin with her property while he was eating a ? she thought was a weapon. Lil ? got what was coming stop trying to spin it as more.
How am I making it complicated? The post the Munny replied to had nothing to do with the law or made any mention of the law. I asked 'How would this have had to play out for you guys to feel like she SHOULD have to go to jail?'.
I just want ? opinions. Independent of what the law says. So...what are you talking about?
Answer the questions or don't *shrugs"
She would have to break into his house... -
dallas' 4 eva wrote: »mryounggun wrote: »dallas' 4 eva wrote: »mryounggun wrote: »Will Munny wrote: »mryounggun wrote: »I'm legit curious: How would this have had to play out for you guys to feel like she SHOULD have to go to jail? For example:
-He comes out of her house and is walking down the driveway, she pulls up in her car. He freezes. She hops out and they exchange words and she shoots him? Jail time or naw?
-He comes out of her house, walks down the driveway and starts walking down the sidewalk. She is coming down the street and sees him leave her house and she pulls up next to him on the street 50 feet from her house and shoots him? Jail time or naw?
-He comes out of her house and is hopping over the fence. She pulls a Willie Manchester and shoots him in the back as he is hopping the fence to get away. Jail time or naw?
Serious questions. Anyone want to tackle these?
Is anything ever black and white to you or is everything a giant hypothetical question?
? , damn near EVERYTHING is black and white to me. I said in my original post that he wasn't an imminent threat so she should have to go to jail for shooting him.
How much more black and white can I be?
But you wanna address those scenarios or na?
Bruh the law in place made the situation black and white, you making it more complicated than it really needs to be. He was on her property, he got dealt with, the law says it was good.
End of discussion, ? all this what if she drove down the street and caught him slippin with her property while he was eating a ? she thought was a weapon. Lil ? got what was coming stop trying to spin it as more.
How am I making it complicated? The post the Munny replied to had nothing to do with the law or made any mention of the law. I asked 'How would this have had to play out for you guys to feel like she SHOULD have to go to jail?'.
I just want ? opinions. Independent of what the law says. So...what are you talking about?
Answer the questions or don't *shrugs"
You missing the point bruh, who gives a ? about the circumstances as to why she should have to go to jail for protecting her property and life?
Why even ask my ? it's pointless, you fail to realize to MANY people they property IS THEIR LIFE. ? get killed behind a couple dollars or shoes everyday, and you over here wondering how someone could want to take a life behind they HOUSE OF ALL PLACES being broken into. Lmao cut it out.
Simmer down, Turbo. I'm just interested in ? opinions. Ain't that the purpose of forums?
Take a deep breath before you pass out, bro. -
The_Jackal wrote: »Since I've shared my opinion would appreciate it if you would oblige us with your opinion.
What exactly would have made him an imminent threat?
Would he have to need a weapon on his person? Would him voicing a threat of violence be enough? Would him taking a dominate stanch or even advancing(wither it just be a simple step) aggressively be a threat that justified her shooting him?
For me, him pointing some sort of weapon at her or advancing towards her or something in that vain would be 'imminent danger'. -
I see too many news stories with home invasions, where the inhabitant is killed to try and make up an excuse for this guy. RIP though.
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mryounggun wrote: »I'm legit curious: How would this have had to play out for you guys to feel like she SHOULD have to go to jail? For example:
-He comes out of her house and is walking down the driveway, she pulls up in her car. He freezes. She hops out and they exchange words and she shoots him? Jail time or naw?
-He comes out of her house, walks down the driveway and starts walking down the sidewalk. She is coming down the street and sees him leave her house and she pulls up next to him on the street 50 feet from her house and shoots him? Jail time or naw?
-He comes out of her house and is hopping over the fence. She pulls a Willie Manchester and shoots him in the back as he is hopping the fence to get away. Jail time or naw?
Serious questions. Anyone want to tackle these?
1. No jail..he's still on the property and she could say she feared for her life
2. Jail time for sure...no imminent danger and not on her property
3. This is a toss up...being that the shooter is female im leaning towards her going to jail but not getting indicted -
mryounggun wrote: »I'm legit curious: How would this have had to play out for you guys to feel like she SHOULD have to go to jail? For example:
-He comes out of her house and is walking down the driveway, she pulls up in her car. He freezes. She hops out and they exchange words and she shoots him? Jail time or naw?
-He comes out of her house, walks down the driveway and starts walking down the sidewalk. She is coming down the street and sees him leave her house and she pulls up next to him on the street 50 feet from her house and shoots him? Jail time or naw?
-He comes out of her house and is hopping over the fence. She pulls a Willie Manchester and shoots him in the back as he is hopping the fence to get away. Jail time or naw?
Serious questions. Anyone want to tackle these?
1. No jail..he's still on the property and she could say she feared for her life
2. Jail time for sure...no imminent danger and not on her property
3. This is a toss up...being that the shooter is female im leaning towards her going to jail but not getting indicted
interesting. Thanks. -
mryounggun wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »Since I've shared my opinion would appreciate it if you would oblige us with your opinion.
What exactly would have made him an imminent threat?
Would he have to need a weapon on his person? Would him voicing a threat of violence be enough? Would him taking a dominate stanch or even advancing(wither it just be a simple step) aggressively be a threat that justified her shooting him?
For me, him pointing some sort of weapon at her or advancing towards her or something in that vain would be 'imminent danger'.
So him threatening her or threatening to return wouldn't be enough? -
While it's an unfortunate loss of life, someone being in your home is much more than material possessions. Your home is your dwelling, your safety, where you go to sleep at night leaving yourself comepletely vulnerable.
I believe it's a basic instinct to terminate anything that violates that, especially not knowing if the person will return. -
Once off the property ass ? .
? that lil ? . He got got. -
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Yall ? weird. If you break into my house i dont care if you get away. If i see you at the corner store next day im shooting you. ? outta here condoning or supporting home invasion ? like its a joke or gta san andreas mini game.
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Melanin_Enriched wrote: »Yall ? weird. If you break into my house i dont care if you get away. If i see you at the corner store next day im shooting you. ? outta here condoning or supporting home invasion ? like its a joke or gta san andreas mini game.
Punishing people for killing others when their lives are not in danger is not the same as condoning breaking and entering -
Melanin_Enriched wrote: »Yall ? weird. If you break into my house i dont care if you get away. If i see you at the corner store next day im shooting you. ? outta here condoning or supporting home invasion ? like its a joke or gta san andreas mini game.
i hear ya... but u would definitely be going to jail for the bolded.. -
If catch you in my property I will ? you.
If is see you run off my property and I'm on my property I'll shot at you.
If I catch you at the corner store I would beat you till an inch of your life.
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Melanin_Enriched wrote: »Yall ? weird. If you break into my house i dont care if you get away. If i see you at the corner store next day im shooting you. ? outta here condoning or supporting home invasion ? like its a joke or gta san andreas mini game.
Punishing people for killing others when their lives are not in danger is not the same as condoning breaking and entering
Thst part was just me. But if you catch a ? going thru a window you going to let him escape since your life isnt in immediate danger?
