Miami Police Shoot Caretaker of Autistic Man...Caught On Video

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  • Trillfate
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    The reason cops handcuff black men they just shot is to keep up the illusion of good policing and having the situation under control. Black lives don't matter as much as their egos do, so they compound the wrong instead of correct it
  • Brother_Five
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    Trillfate wrote: »
    The reason cops handcuff black men they just shot is to keep up the illusion of good policing and having the situation under control. Black lives don't matter as much as their egos do, so they compound the wrong instead of correct it

    I would argue that they handcuff dying or injured ppl because they are idiots and don't respect human life...
  • Stomp Johnson
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    Trillfate wrote: »
    The reason cops handcuff black men they just shot is to keep up the illusion of good policing and having the situation under control. Black lives don't matter as much as their egos do, so they compound the wrong instead of correct it

    I would argue that they handcuff dying or injured ppl because they are idiots and don't respect human life...

    You're both correct
  • WYRM
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    Now this is a timebomb. So, as I am following this story, I see one big red flag. Last I read has the police saying they aimed at the handicap guy "I am calling him white though it is Dade county so we can't leave out hispanic/latino/ect." and hit the other guy instead. So the po-po isn't prejudice? Must had been the bullets were prejudice? This incident is saying a lot more than we are hearing, the spin doctors are earning there money with this one.
  • Will Munny
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    Has anyone read these onion like headlines? "Bullet that struck caretaker was intended to protect him"

    Bet money it was an ND at the cop is saying he thought there was danger. It's a cop out. He should just say he had bad trigger discipline cause I gaurantee that's what happened. Granted, he shouldn't have had his gun pointed at them anyways.
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    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article91160077.html
    Bullet that struck caregiver was meant to protect him, police union prez says


    The North Miami police officer who shot an unarmed, black mental health worker caring for a patient actually took aim at the autistic man next to him, but missed, the head of the police union said Thursday.

    It was a stunning admission from the police officer and from John Rivera, who heads up Miami-Dade’s Police Benevolent Association. But it was one meant to calm the fears of a nation besieged with cellphone videos of police shooting and sometimes killing unarmed black men.

    In this case, Rivera said, the officer ended up wounding the man he was trying to save.

    “I couldn’t allow this to continue for the community’s sake,” Rivera said Thursday during a hastily called press conference at the union’s Doral office. “Folks, this is not what the rest of the nation is going through.”

    North Miami police and investigators have been tight-lipped since the Monday shooting, even as video of most of the encounter has been released. The story gained international attention and public pressure for answers mounted.


    Earlier Thursday, North Miami Police Chief Gary Eugene spoke briefly for the first time, but said little other than that no weapon had been found and that the Florida Department of Law Enforcement had taken over the investigation.

    The chief didn’t take any questions and refused to name the officer. The city said he is a 30-year-old Hispanic male who has been on the force for four years. As Eugene was leaving the podium, he refused to answer even more questions.

    Rivera called the officer who shot Charles Kinsey, “decorated” and said he was a member of city’s SWAT team. The name of the autistic man hasn’t been released. He appears to be a white Hispanic on the video.

    On Monday, a North Miami police officer shot Kinsey, 47, after, police said, mistakenly believing that Kinsey was going to be killed by the 23-year-old autistic man playing with a toy truck who was sitting on the ground next to him. Rivera said the officer feared the autistic man had a weapon.

    Police raced to Northeast 127th Street and 14th Avenue after receiving a 911 call saying there was a man in the roadway with a gun who was going to ? himself. When they got there, they found the man sitting on the ground with his truck and Kinsey, who was trying to coax the man back inside the nearby mental health center, MacTown Panther Group Home.

    When police barked orders for the two to lie down with their hands up, Kinsey complied.

    “Mr. Kinsey did everything right,” Rivera said.

    The autistic man ignored the orders of police yelling for the men to lie down. Some of the officers were behind poles on the street. Others were behind their patrol vehicles.

    Then, while Kinsey was lying supine with his hands in the air and the autistic man sat beside him, an officer fired three rounds from an assault rifle, according to North Miami police. One bullet found a target — Kinsey.

    He was shot in the leg and transported to Jackson Memorial Hospital, where he continues to recover. Kinsey is expected to be released this week.

    According to a law-enforcement source, the officer who shot Kinsey was taking cover behind a squad car and fired from at least 50 yards away. He shot after another officer, in a radio transmission, suggested the autistic man was loading his weapon, which turned out to be the toy truck, the source said.

    In interviews, Kinsey said he repeatedly told police while he was lying on the ground that there was no weapon and not to shoot. Rivera said North Miami police couldn’t hear his cries. The union president didn’t know how far the police were from Kinsey.

    Most of the confrontation was captured on a cellphone camera and the video has caused a buzz around the world. It was released to the Miami Herald by Kinsey’s attorney Hilton Napoleon.

    Calls and texts to Napoleon were not returned Thursday. The attorney didn’t say if portions of the video were edited out. It doesn’t appear to show the actual shooting.

    On Wednesday, only two days after the shooting, Napoleon said he was already in settlement discussions with North Miami’s manager.

    The shooting took place about a block from the MacTown Panther Group Home at 1365 NE 128th St. It’s a slightly run-down home with a hibiscus hedge, a blue basketball hoop and a weed-filled planter.

    At one point Thursday a blue minivan filled with special-needs folks pulled up and workers escorted them by hand into the home. Neighbors say it’s not uncommon for adults to go on walks around the neighborhood, often in groups and always with a caretaker.

    Kinsey was shot just around the corner from the home, in front of an electrical grid station. Calls to MacTown president and CEO Clint Bower were not returned Thursday.

    The shooting of Kinsey and the video that accompanied the stories caused an uproar. Thursday night about 40 Black Lives Matter protestors stormed into the North Miami police department demanding that the officer who shot Kinsey be fired.
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    The autistic man ignored the orders of police yelling for the men to lie down. Some of the officers were behind poles on the street. Others were behind their patrol vehicles.


    So these dudes were in full black ops mode from an autistic dude with a truck and his caretaker?
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  • StoneColdMikey
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    These ? so dumb . Properly failed gym glass
  • ghostdog56
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    nah.... Whats really i'll is that none of them properly assessed the situation.

    All that firepower and not nar one scope.

    I read somewhere that the person recording the video said the cop that shot him was using a rifle with a scope on it
  • Inglewood_B
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    they think we stupid...

    It's like they're challenging themselves to see how obvious they can make it while still trying to justify it
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  • black caesar
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    Somebody I know just said some stupid ? on Facebook:

    Him "Now we are conditioned to make EVERYTHING racial. The cop in Florida is an idiot. Pure idiot. Everyone on the scene should be fired. Doesn't make him a racist. Does make him an idiot."

    Me: " Come on man. The man was on his back, unarmed, and arms up and was still shot. but you believe that it wasn't racial"?

    Him:" That's low hanging fruit. Everything isn't racial. Now if he has a habit of shooting every black person he came in contact with then yes. No doubt."

    I might have to unfriend this dude and I knew him since college.
  • black caesar
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    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article91160077.html
    Bullet that struck caregiver was meant to protect him, police union prez says


    The North Miami police officer who shot an unarmed, black mental health worker caring for a patient actually took aim at the autistic man next to him, but missed, the head of the police union said Thursday.

    It was a stunning admission from the police officer and from John Rivera, who heads up Miami-Dade’s Police Benevolent Association. But it was one meant to calm the fears of a nation besieged with cellphone videos of police shooting and sometimes killing unarmed black men.

    In this case, Rivera said, the officer ended up wounding the man he was trying to save.

    “I couldn’t allow this to continue for the community’s sake,” Rivera said Thursday during a hastily called press conference at the union’s Doral office. “Folks, this is not what the rest of the nation is going through.”

    North Miami police and investigators have been tight-lipped since the Monday shooting, even as video of most of the encounter has been released. The story gained international attention and public pressure for answers mounted.


    Earlier Thursday, North Miami Police Chief Gary Eugene spoke briefly for the first time, but said little other than that no weapon had been found and that the Florida Department of Law Enforcement had taken over the investigation.

    The chief didn’t take any questions and refused to name the officer. The city said he is a 30-year-old Hispanic male who has been on the force for four years. As Eugene was leaving the podium, he refused to answer even more questions.

    Rivera called the officer who shot Charles Kinsey, “decorated” and said he was a member of city’s SWAT team. The name of the autistic man hasn’t been released. He appears to be a white Hispanic on the video.

    On Monday, a North Miami police officer shot Kinsey, 47, after, police said, mistakenly believing that Kinsey was going to be killed by the 23-year-old autistic man playing with a toy truck who was sitting on the ground next to him. Rivera said the officer feared the autistic man had a weapon.

    Police raced to Northeast 127th Street and 14th Avenue after receiving a 911 call saying there was a man in the roadway with a gun who was going to ? himself. When they got there, they found the man sitting on the ground with his truck and Kinsey, who was trying to coax the man back inside the nearby mental health center, MacTown Panther Group Home.

    When police barked orders for the two to lie down with their hands up, Kinsey complied.

    “Mr. Kinsey did everything right,” Rivera said.

    The autistic man ignored the orders of police yelling for the men to lie down. Some of the officers were behind poles on the street. Others were behind their patrol vehicles.

    Then, while Kinsey was lying supine with his hands in the air and the autistic man sat beside him, an officer fired three rounds from an assault rifle, according to North Miami police. One bullet found a target — Kinsey.

    He was shot in the leg and transported to Jackson Memorial Hospital, where he continues to recover. Kinsey is expected to be released this week.

    According to a law-enforcement source, the officer who shot Kinsey was taking cover behind a squad car and fired from at least 50 yards away. He shot after another officer, in a radio transmission, suggested the autistic man was loading his weapon, which turned out to be the toy truck, the source said.

    In interviews, Kinsey said he repeatedly told police while he was lying on the ground that there was no weapon and not to shoot. Rivera said North Miami police couldn’t hear his cries. The union president didn’t know how far the police were from Kinsey.

    Most of the confrontation was captured on a cellphone camera and the video has caused a buzz around the world. It was released to the Miami Herald by Kinsey’s attorney Hilton Napoleon.

    Calls and texts to Napoleon were not returned Thursday. The attorney didn’t say if portions of the video were edited out. It doesn’t appear to show the actual shooting.

    On Wednesday, only two days after the shooting, Napoleon said he was already in settlement discussions with North Miami’s manager.

    The shooting took place about a block from the MacTown Panther Group Home at 1365 NE 128th St. It’s a slightly run-down home with a hibiscus hedge, a blue basketball hoop and a weed-filled planter.

    At one point Thursday a blue minivan filled with special-needs folks pulled up and workers escorted them by hand into the home. Neighbors say it’s not uncommon for adults to go on walks around the neighborhood, often in groups and always with a caretaker.

    Kinsey was shot just around the corner from the home, in front of an electrical grid station. Calls to MacTown president and CEO Clint Bower were not returned Thursday.

    The shooting of Kinsey and the video that accompanied the stories caused an uproar. Thursday night about 40 Black Lives Matter protestors stormed into the North Miami police department demanding that the officer who shot Kinsey be fired.

    Only fired? How about convicted, but we all know how that goes.
  • Splackavelli
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    Swiffness! wrote: »

    Bruh. WTF??? What the ? kinda of accent is that? Cajun? Caribbean? Stroke?
    MR.CJ wrote: »

    ...and WHO IS THIS?

    Hatian
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    http://www.local10.com/news/north-miami-police-officer-jonathan-aledda-identified-in-controversial-shooting-
    North Miami police officer Jonathan Aledda identified in controversial shooting

    NORTH MIAMI, Fla. - A North Miami police officer who shot an unarmed man earlier this week has been identified as Jonathan Aledda.

    Law enforcement sources told Local 10 News that Aledda received death threats after cellphone video was released showing the incident has made headlines around the country.

    Sources said the police department had held off on naming the officer to protect him.

    City officials held a news conference Friday, where they named Aledda, 30, who is a member of the department's SWAT unit, as the gunman.

    Aledda has been with the police department for four years. He was previously honored as officer of the month in September 2013 and October 2014.

    He has been placed on administrative leave with pay as is standard protocol after a police-involved shooting.

    "As your mayor of this great city of North Miami, I assure you that we will go wherever the truth takes us and any necessary decisions will be taken by the proper authorities," North Miami Mayor Dr. Smith Joseph said. "Now, I have had the change to sit with my city manager, my chief of police as well as my city attorney. I must tell you, community concerns will be addressed."

    A second police officer, Cmdr. Emile Hollant, has been suspended without pay for giving conflicting statements about the circumstances surrounding the controversial shooting of Charles Kinsey, city manager Larry Spring said.

    "This will not be tolerated," Spring said. "As city manager, I am aware of the public's sentiment. We have received hundreds of calls and emails both at our police department and at City Hall. I can assure you we are listening."

    Sources told Local 10 News that Hollant was the voice on the radio telling dispatch and other officers that someone had a gun. They said he then lied to investigators, telling them he wasn't even at the scene when the shooting happened.

    Spring said a team of people will review all calls and emails and report back to him.

    North Miami officials made it clear that the city will not stand behind an officer who they believed lied or fabricated evidence in the case.

    "An officer who betrays the trust of any residents of any community must be shamed, removed, fired and of course completely, completely lose the right to ever wear an officers' uniform again," North MIami city clerk Michael Etienne said.

    Local 10 News reporter Layron Livingston was at the North Miami Police Department Friday morning as the city manager and city attorney walked into police headquarters to meet with officials about the shooting.

    "They will be much better off saying sorry to my client and trying to acknowledge the fact that something went terribly wrong," Kinsey’s attorney, Hilton Napoleon II, said.

    Kinsey's attorney told CNN on Thursday that there's "no justification" for the shooting. Napoleon appeared on CNN with Kinsey's employer, Clint Bower.

    "He's received extensive crisis-intervention training. Unfortunately, our police department doesn't seem to receive that same training," Bower said.

    Cellphone video shows Kinsey lying on his back Monday with his hands in the air in the area of Northeast 14th Avenue and 127th Street. Sitting next to him was a 24-year-old autistic man holding a toy truck.

    Police said they were called to the area about a man who was walking around with a gun and threatening to commit suicide.

    Dade Police Benevolent Association president John Rivera said the officer fired in an effort to keep Kinsey safe, but missed his intended target.

    "The one officer discharged his firearm trying to strike the individual that they thought was trying to bring harm onto Mr. Kinsey. This is not a case of police brutality," Rivera said. "This is not one of those cases where it's a rogue cop. This is not a case other than an officer who was trying to save the life of Mr. Kinsey and feels horrible that his aim missed and struck Mr. Kinsey."

    Kinsey's boss dismissed Rivera's claim, calling Kinsey the hero in the incident.

    "The PBA is now trying to say they intended to shoot my client, and they accidentally shot my employee. To me, that's just outrageous," Bower said.

    Kinsey was shot once in the leg. His attorney said the city is hoping to settle the issue with his client as soon as possible.

    Bower said he offered North Miami police training on how to deal with people with disabilities two years ago after police stunned another client of his with a Taser. He said the department never took him up on his offer.


    Aledda released a statement Thursday saying that his goal as a police officer has always been to save lives.

    "I took this job to save lives and help people. I did what I had to do in a split second to accomplish that and hate to hear others paint me as something I'm not," he said.

    Kinsey's attorney claims that Aledda told his client that he didn't know why he shot him, but the PBA insists that Aledda had no contact or communication with Kinsey after the shooting.

    A Department of Justice representative is expected to meet with city leaders to discuss community relations while handling the outcome of the shooting.

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  • Stiff
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    It's a damn shame there's absolutely nothing he could've done differently to prevent getting shot out in the streets and then rolled over and handcuffed.

    And I didn't even really think about it until just now but that's how you know they're full of ? when saying they were trying to "protect" him...you were trying to "protect" him so you try to ? the autistic guy with the toy gun (smh) ... you miss your shot and hit the guy you're trying to "protect"...so how do you explain rushing in to handcuff the person you're trying to "protect"??

    Is there a policy that anybody who gets hit by a police bullet has to be handcuffed immediately regardless of circumstance?
  • ineedpussy
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    Annnnd there you have it

    Impossible.

    He kentucky windaged the ? out of his grouping.

    wtf? you tryin to clown kentuckians or somethin bruh