Article from a black woman saying "Black Men Are Terrorists" SMH
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2stepz_ahead wrote: »Someone needs to stop quoting white stats and step into reality. Both my wife and I work for fortune 100's and it's quite clear Black women dominate the work space. And it doesn't matter one bit to me so, long as Black Men and Women know the opposition. But more importantly that we work collectively to combine our finances to obtain the lifestyle we are both comfortable with.
The bold is where I feel one of the biggest divides is between black men and women when it comes to relationships.
why do you feel that way?
while i do agree and understand i would like to know your reasoning.
Long story short I say that because a lot of people are selfish and hypocrites.
You have men who scream they want respect and to be the head of the household but they do and bring nothing to the table to be respected or be the head of the household.
You have women who turn do good men based only on a bunch of superficial ? and scream to the high heaven how there are no good men left and other dumb ? like that.
Its a lot more to be said but that's a basic gist of some of it.
i totally agree.
but the bolded...? need to pay attention too. -
Someone needs to stop quoting white stats and step into reality. Both my wife and I work for fortune 100's and it's quite clear Black women dominate the work space. And it doesn't matter one bit to me so, long as Black Men and Women know the opposition. But more importantly that we work collectively to combine our finances to obtain the lifestyle we are both comfortable with.
There is a reason black women are more common in white collar jobs, they are perceived as less threatening and they wont rock the boat. Females no across all racial and socio-economic backgrounds are security first.
They won't see the white establishment as the enemy, they will see broke ? as their enemy, because even tho they may work with white men and ? white men, white men aren't marrying them which means black women have to choose mainly from the dregs of black men locked out picked over and jockeyed out the game.
i guess.....when a black women goes to work an see all these white dudes with nice cars, trips to aspen, big ass house and suited up....it can make them dream a bit of what if he was mine.
only to go back home or back around the way an see those who aint as high and become bitter -
2stepz_ahead wrote: »2stepz_ahead wrote: »Someone needs to stop quoting white stats and step into reality. Both my wife and I work for fortune 100's and it's quite clear Black women dominate the work space. And it doesn't matter one bit to me so, long as Black Men and Women know the opposition. But more importantly that we work collectively to combine our finances to obtain the lifestyle we are both comfortable with.
The bold is where I feel one of the biggest divides is between black men and women when it comes to relationships.
why do you feel that way?
while i do agree and understand i would like to know your reasoning.
Long story short I say that because a lot of people are selfish and hypocrites.
You have men who scream they want respect and to be the head of the household but they don't and bring nothing to the table to be respected or be the head of the household.
You have women who turn do good men based only on a bunch of superficial ? and scream to the high heaven how there are no good men left and other dumb ? like that.
Its a lot more to be said but that's a basic gist of some of it.
i totally agree.
but the bolded...? need to pay attention too.
They certainly do -
2stepz_ahead wrote: »Someone needs to stop quoting white stats and step into reality. Both my wife and I work for fortune 100's and it's quite clear Black women dominate the work space. And it doesn't matter one bit to me so, long as Black Men and Women know the opposition. But more importantly that we work collectively to combine our finances to obtain the lifestyle we are both comfortable with.
The bold is where I feel one of the biggest divides is between black men and women when it comes to relationships.
why do you feel that way?
while i do agree and understand i would like to know your reasoning.
Long story short I say that because a lot of people are selfish and hypocrites.
You have men who scream they want respect and to be the head of the household but they don't bring nothing to the table to be respected or be the head of the household.
You have women who turn down good men based only on a bunch of superficial ? and scream to the high heavens how there are no good men left and other dumb ? like that.
Its a lot more to be said but that's a basic gist of some of it.
And neither side is good at admitting the ? they contribute to the disconnect -
2stepz_ahead wrote: »Someone needs to stop quoting white stats and step into reality. Both my wife and I work for fortune 100's and it's quite clear Black women dominate the work space. And it doesn't matter one bit to me so, long as Black Men and Women know the opposition. But more importantly that we work collectively to combine our finances to obtain the lifestyle we are both comfortable with.
The bold is where I feel one of the biggest divides is between black men and women when it comes to relationships.
why do you feel that way?
while i do agree and understand i would like to know your reasoning.
Long story short I say that because a lot of people are selfish and hypocrites.
You have men who scream they want respect and to be the head of the household but they don't bring nothing to the table to be respected or be the head of the household.
You have women who turn down good men based only on a bunch of superficial ? and scream to the high heavens how there are no good men left and other dumb ? like that.
Its a lot more to be said but that's a basic gist of some of it.
And neither side is good at admitting the ? they contribute to the disconnect
an thats the problem.
a guy suit, nice car and house is a keeper..until a chick gotta help with it.
a ? that wont do ? nice for his lady until valentines, christmas or her bday. but then act like she aint got a right to be mad.
a chick that wants to save her money an only use his
a dude that wants to not spend money on his chick but wants ass all the time on demand. -
I'm bout to close this ? ....tf is yall still talkin about
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Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »
yes
i have stated as much multiple times
all i can do personally is call ppl out when appropriate
but regardless of the extremest and opportunist do or say, the fact remains our society is a patriarchy ....white male patriarchy specifically
male privilege on it's own does not imply guilt or complicity, it's simply a fact, a thing that exists. a thing that benefits men, especially white men, in US culture and day to day existence
a thing that will continue to exist to the misfortune of women and or blk ppl, unless we address it
complicity arises out of refusing to acknowledge that it exists, or actively or passively acting to perpetuate that imbalance...
unless you want to believe that there is no such thing as male privilege...and by extension white male privilege
if that is the case i'd have to ask why do white males control our economy and our government, and dominate our culture in virtually every corner? are we to assume it's a natural development, due to ....white male supremacy?????
That's fair.
Yes, I do believe there is a such thing as male privilege, but I don't believe black males benefit from it anywhere near as black feminists claim. I mean, when we talk about white privilege, we can pull up stats and show how whites are above blacks in most areas even when there is no real reason they should be. It's the opposite when you look at black man vs black woman, so how are we privileged? Because Cornell West gets more attention than some black woman professor you think is just as smart? That's weak, and doesn't even apply to the average black man on the street.
im not comparing black males privilege to white male privilege
and no, a person's blackness doesn't totally cancel out the privilege of being born a man in america
it starts from a young age. just think how boy toys typically encourage children to imagine a far greater range of career possibilities and tend to be more educational...while toys considered “girl’s toys” are often limited to beauty, housework and childcare
adults compliment boys more for their abilities rather than their your looks opposed to girls. you’re not taught from a young age that your value is only as good as your appearance. that continues well into adulthood
ppl are more likely to respect your ? autonomy. women's reproductive rights are always up for debate. and as a man being harassed or sexually assaulted is not a big concern. you can ? , suck and do whatever without being judged and policed to the same degree as a woman
and no having one type of privilege doesn’t mean you’re not oppressed in other ways
like poor white folk, for example. just because they struggle financially due in great part to classism doesn't mean that they don't also benefit from being white
for example, blk men are still more likely to earn money than blk women, despite blk women obtaining more college degrees. blk men are promoted more often than blk women. blk men get higher pay rates than their black female counterparts who are equally skilled
the fastest growing incarceration rate is blk women. yet we tend to make the issue of incarceration solely male, because we haven't thought seriously about whats happening with blk girls
we joke if obama was a few shades darker he wouldn't have won the presidency, but if he were a blk woman you'd think he would have won? no lol
and again one type of privilege doesn’t mean you’re not oppressed in other ways
that said, so this isn't just me playing the oppression olympics. what i'm always argued is our societal expectations of women and men, social conditioning and even our legislative system all work to sustain this construct that places men (specifically white, middle/upper class, straight men) on top....
This off topic and irrelevant, but if I have to swipe 3 times to get through a ? post, I'm out the topic -
atribecalledgabi wrote: »I'm bout to close this ? ....tf is yall still talkin about
I have no problems with that cause the ? shouldn't have been made a thread in the first place.
We currently talking about certain ? being mad cause some black men make $15 per hour and some black women make $13 per hour and they are being oppressed by the extra $2 some of the black men are making.
Ain't that some ? !!!??? -
atribecalledgabi wrote: »I'm bout to close this ? ....tf is yall still talkin about
I have no problems with that cause the ? shouldn't have been made a thread in the first place.
We currently talking about certain ? being mad cause some black men make $15 per hour and some black women make $13 per hour and they are being oppressed by the extra $2 some of the black men are making.
Ain't that some ? !!!???
lol Wait bruh, you got ? ? up. The argument often times is that such a gap doesn't exist. If I'm doing the same job as someone else and they are getting paid $2 more for something that has nothing to do with the job, I got the right to be mad. So if that ? was actually going on and women were ? , they'd have the right. The problem is the game isn't anywhere near that pronounced. -
It was a ? statement to make, ? that ? and whoever agrees with her.
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It was a ? statement to make, ? that ? and whoever agrees with her.
Exactly why I'm surprised this ? is still going.... -
Someone needs to stop quoting white stats and step into reality. Both my wife and I work for fortune 100's and it's quite clear Black women dominate the work space. And it doesn't matter one bit to me so, long as Black Men and Women know the opposition. But more importantly that we work collectively to combine our finances to obtain the lifestyle we are both comfortable with.
There is a reason black women are more common in white collar jobs, they are perceived as less threatening and they wont rock the boat. Females no across all racial and socio-economic backgrounds are security first.
They won't see the white establishment as the enemy, they will see broke ? as their enemy, because even tho they may work with white men and ? white men, white men aren't marrying them which means black women have to choose mainly from the dregs of black men locked out picked over and jockeyed out the game.
You agree with this sh*t @2stepz_ahead ?
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »atribecalledgabi wrote: »I'm bout to close this ? ....tf is yall still talkin about
I have no problems with that cause the ? shouldn't have been made a thread in the first place.
We currently talking about certain ? being mad cause some black men make $15 per hour and some black women make $13 per hour and they are being oppressed by the extra $2 some of the black men are making.
Ain't that some ? !!!???
lol Wait bruh, you got ? ? up. The argument often times is that such a gap doesn't exist. If I'm doing the same job as someone else and they are getting paid $2 more for something that has nothing to do with the job, I got the right to be mad. So if that ? was actually going on and women were ? , they'd have the right. The problem is the game isn't anywhere near that pronounced.
but why be mad at the man....be mad at the company -
Shuffington wrote: »Someone needs to stop quoting white stats and step into reality. Both my wife and I work for fortune 100's and it's quite clear Black women dominate the work space. And it doesn't matter one bit to me so, long as Black Men and Women know the opposition. But more importantly that we work collectively to combine our finances to obtain the lifestyle we are both comfortable with.
There is a reason black women are more common in white collar jobs, they are perceived as less threatening and they wont rock the boat. Females no across all racial and socio-economic backgrounds are security first.
They won't see the white establishment as the enemy, they will see broke ? as their enemy, because even tho they may work with white men and ? white men, white men aren't marrying them which means black women have to choose mainly from the dregs of black men locked out picked over and jockeyed out the game.
You agree with this sh*t @2stepz_ahead ?
yes and no.
it depends on the chick. but for the most part he is correct.
out of most of the women i know..they chose career over marriage, career over kids, career over everything.
so when a head of a company sees people like this...its easy to break the family structure.
employ black women and continue to oppress the black man.
will an attorney give a ? at the drive thru the time of day? but will that same person give an interracial relationship a chance if the guy appears to have security...financial being at the forefront. -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »
In 2015, average hourly wages for black and Hispanic men were $15 and $14, respectively, compared with $21 for white men. Only the hourly earnings of Asian men ($24) outpaced those of white men.
Among women across all races and ethnicities, hourly earnings lag behind those of white men and men in their own racial or ethnic group. But the hourly earnings of Asian and white women ($18 and $17, respectively) are higher than those of black and Hispanic women ($13 and $12, respectively) – and also higher than those of black and Hispanic men.
While the hourly earnings of white men continue to outpace those of women, all groups of women have made progress in narrowing this wage gap since 1980, reflecting at least in part a significant increase in the education levels and workforce experience of women over time.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/01/racial-gender-wage-gaps-persist-in-u-s-despite-some-progress/?amp=1
According to the Economic Policy Institute—a nonpartisan think tank focused on including low- and middle-income workers in economic-policy discussions—black women’s salaries are in the unique intersection of race and gender. Even after controlling for education, location and experience, black women are paid 67 cents for every dollar a non-Hispanic white man is paid.
In 1979, even though there was a large gender pay gap, black women earned roughly the same amount as white women. During the intervening 37 years, progress slowed substantially for black women. In 2016, white women earned 76 percent of what white men earned, while black women’s average earnings were 9 points lower.
http://www.epi.org/blog/black-women-have-to-work-7-months-into-2017-to-be-paid-the-same-as-white-men-in-2016/
Black and Hispanic women not only made less than their male counterparts, they also earned less per hour than Asian women and white women. Asian women and white women also earned more than Black and Hispanic men.
Even after correcting for age, education and occupational differences there is still a smaller but unexplained gap between men and women. The gap is most apparent when comparing the earnings of White men verse Black women.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bustle.com/p/8-startling-statistics-that-show-how-the-pay-gap-affects-women-of-color-differently-48351/amp
Almost every one of those studies contrasts black women to white men. A couple of them make off the cuff comments about women being outearned by their counterparts, but they don't really provide the numbers for those cases. The main arguments being made are in relation to white men and white women. Also, that last study really flies in the face of the whole gender privilege argument because it said that white and asian women make more money on average than black and latino men, so again, we don't benefit from a gender privilege as much as ya'll claim. I don't really know how much any of those studies apply to what we're discussing. If anything, they seem to suggest that the race gap is more significant than the gender gap, so those studies seem to be proof that the harping ya'll do about the gender gap is just divisive and fruitless.
For all you nonreading ? keep scrolling
And i cut off my locs
The overriding theme is that men of all races earn more than their female counterparts
$2, $1, $.50 makes a big difference over years. Smh @ who makes little of the gap. Guessing whoever has never had to struggle, never had to not pay for their car insurance to pay rent
Anyways the numbers are there
When u account for age, experience, hours work, occupation etc the gap shrinks...though the gap shrinks there is still an explained gap
The fact that white women earn more than blk men was to illustrate again one type of privilege doesn’t mean you’re not oppressed in other ways and vice versa.
And yes female privilege exists, but they always hinge on ideas such as women are not as smart as men, women are mentally weaker, etc
That said, I'll agree that while these privileges lead to very little social gain for blk men. I'll also add for blk women female privilege rarely leads to a social advantage neither
However we still should be about tearing down all undeserved privilege. Male privilege isnt as harmful a force as white privilege, but it is harmful nonetheless
A lot of social ills we see in our community can be traced back to little blk girls growing up constantly bombarded with messages that her value is dependent on what men think of her; womens work is in the kitchen or taking care of ppl; video games are for boys; not being sexually assaulted is her responsibility; her body is not hers alone. Not to mention the anti-blk messaging
Think about the expectations society heaps on men does to blk boys growing up. You dont think that has to anything to do with the fact men are more likely to commit suicide than women -
2stepz_ahead wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »atribecalledgabi wrote: »I'm bout to close this ? ....tf is yall still talkin about
I have no problems with that cause the ? shouldn't have been made a thread in the first place.
We currently talking about certain ? being mad cause some black men make $15 per hour and some black women make $13 per hour and they are being oppressed by the extra $2 some of the black men are making.
Ain't that some ? !!!???
lol Wait bruh, you got ? ? up. The argument often times is that such a gap doesn't exist. If I'm doing the same job as someone else and they are getting paid $2 more for something that has nothing to do with the job, I got the right to be mad. So if that ? was actually going on and women were ? , they'd have the right. The problem is the game isn't anywhere near that pronounced.
but why be mad at the man....be mad at the company
Don't even know why it had to be said but thanks cause I certainly wasn't going to say it. -
2stepz_ahead wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »atribecalledgabi wrote: »I'm bout to close this ? ....tf is yall still talkin about
I have no problems with that cause the ? shouldn't have been made a thread in the first place.
We currently talking about certain ? being mad cause some black men make $15 per hour and some black women make $13 per hour and they are being oppressed by the extra $2 some of the black men are making.
Ain't that some ? !!!???
lol Wait bruh, you got ? ? up. The argument often times is that such a gap doesn't exist. If I'm doing the same job as someone else and they are getting paid $2 more for something that has nothing to do with the job, I got the right to be mad. So if that ? was actually going on and women were ? , they'd have the right. The problem is the game isn't anywhere near that pronounced.
but why be mad at the man....be mad at the company
Don't even know why it had to be said but thanks cause I certainly wasn't going to say it.
it makes no sense......why be mad at the dude for taking his loot?
try building with him.....an yall have loot together?
or ask him how to come up.
thing is....if a chick making that $2 more......how would she look at a man making $2 less. would that man be oppressed or a victim of terrorism? or would sis say....get off ya ass and work harder? -
So we in here still propagating the wage gap myth as some form of privilege?
1) wage gap compares the sum total of all female wages vs all male wages. It doesn't do a break down of position by position. Obvious data conflict here
2) there are many skilled trade positions and light manufacturing positions that are blue collar and have better earning potential than a lot of white collar gigs. I know plumbers electricians who make 100k but not before putting in time on the job. Talking anywhere from 10-15 yrs.
Many of the white collar jobs females flock to are unskilled labor. Anyone can do it with training and those positions are easily filled by college grads looking for entry level work. You can pay them less.
3) black male privilege doesn't exist. In order for privilege to exist there has to be a system of support, a structure that extends benefits and entitlements to a designated populace. So before anyone mentions anything further about black male privilege they must identify the system or structure that these benefits come from. -
Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »
In 2015, average hourly wages for black and Hispanic men were $15 and $14, respectively, compared with $21 for white men. Only the hourly earnings of Asian men ($24) outpaced those of white men.
Among women across all races and ethnicities, hourly earnings lag behind those of white men and men in their own racial or ethnic group. But the hourly earnings of Asian and white women ($18 and $17, respectively) are higher than those of black and Hispanic women ($13 and $12, respectively) – and also higher than those of black and Hispanic men.
While the hourly earnings of white men continue to outpace those of women, all groups of women have made progress in narrowing this wage gap since 1980, reflecting at least in part a significant increase in the education levels and workforce experience of women over time.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/01/racial-gender-wage-gaps-persist-in-u-s-despite-some-progress/?amp=1
According to the Economic Policy Institute—a nonpartisan think tank focused on including low- and middle-income workers in economic-policy discussions—black women’s salaries are in the unique intersection of race and gender. Even after controlling for education, location and experience, black women are paid 67 cents for every dollar a non-Hispanic white man is paid.
In 1979, even though there was a large gender pay gap, black women earned roughly the same amount as white women. During the intervening 37 years, progress slowed substantially for black women. In 2016, white women earned 76 percent of what white men earned, while black women’s average earnings were 9 points lower.
http://www.epi.org/blog/black-women-have-to-work-7-months-into-2017-to-be-paid-the-same-as-white-men-in-2016/
Black and Hispanic women not only made less than their male counterparts, they also earned less per hour than Asian women and white women. Asian women and white women also earned more than Black and Hispanic men.
Even after correcting for age, education and occupational differences there is still a smaller but unexplained gap between men and women. The gap is most apparent when comparing the earnings of White men verse Black women.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bustle.com/p/8-startling-statistics-that-show-how-the-pay-gap-affects-women-of-color-differently-48351/amp
Almost every one of those studies contrasts black women to white men. A couple of them make off the cuff comments about women being outearned by their counterparts, but they don't really provide the numbers for those cases. The main arguments being made are in relation to white men and white women. Also, that last study really flies in the face of the whole gender privilege argument because it said that white and asian women make more money on average than black and latino men, so again, we don't benefit from a gender privilege as much as ya'll claim. I don't really know how much any of those studies apply to what we're discussing. If anything, they seem to suggest that the race gap is more significant than the gender gap, so those studies seem to be proof that the harping ya'll do about the gender gap is just divisive and fruitless.
For all you nonreading ? keep scrolling
And i cut off my locs
The overriding theme is that men of all races earn more than their female counterparts
$2, $1, $.50 makes a big difference over years. Smh @ who makes little of the gap. Guessing whoever has never had to struggle, never had to not pay for their car insurance to pay rent
Anyways the numbers are there
When u account for age, experience, hours work, occupation etc the gap shrinks...though the gap shrinks there is still an explained gap
The fact that white women earn more than blk men was to illustrate again one type of privilege doesn’t mean you’re not oppressed in other ways and vice versa.
And yes female privilege exists, but they always hinge on ideas such as women are not as smart as men, women are mentally weaker, etc
That said, I'll agree that while these privileges lead to very little social gain for blk men. I'll also add for blk women female privilege rarely leads to a social advantage neither
However we still should be about tearing down all undeserved privilege. Male privilege isnt as harmful a force as white privilege, but it is harmful nonetheless
A lot of social ills we see in our community can be traced back to little blk girls growing up constantly bombarded with messages that her value is dependent on what men think of her; womens work is in the kitchen or taking care of ppl; video games are for boys; not being sexually assaulted is her responsibility; her body is not hers alone. Not to mention the anti-blk messaging
Think about the expectations society heaps on men does to blk boys growing up. You dont think that has to anything to do with the fact men are more likely to commit suicide than women
We're going around in circles. Again, most guys would probably agree that life isn't fair for black women and there is more that black men can do to stand for and with black women. However, black women going out of their way to ? on black men won't repair anything, so why do ya'll feminists keep doing it? -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »
In 2015, average hourly wages for black and Hispanic men were $15 and $14, respectively, compared with $21 for white men. Only the hourly earnings of Asian men ($24) outpaced those of white men.
Among women across all races and ethnicities, hourly earnings lag behind those of white men and men in their own racial or ethnic group. But the hourly earnings of Asian and white women ($18 and $17, respectively) are higher than those of black and Hispanic women ($13 and $12, respectively) – and also higher than those of black and Hispanic men.
While the hourly earnings of white men continue to outpace those of women, all groups of women have made progress in narrowing this wage gap since 1980, reflecting at least in part a significant increase in the education levels and workforce experience of women over time.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/01/racial-gender-wage-gaps-persist-in-u-s-despite-some-progress/?amp=1
According to the Economic Policy Institute—a nonpartisan think tank focused on including low- and middle-income workers in economic-policy discussions—black women’s salaries are in the unique intersection of race and gender. Even after controlling for education, location and experience, black women are paid 67 cents for every dollar a non-Hispanic white man is paid.
In 1979, even though there was a large gender pay gap, black women earned roughly the same amount as white women. During the intervening 37 years, progress slowed substantially for black women. In 2016, white women earned 76 percent of what white men earned, while black women’s average earnings were 9 points lower.
http://www.epi.org/blog/black-women-have-to-work-7-months-into-2017-to-be-paid-the-same-as-white-men-in-2016/
Black and Hispanic women not only made less than their male counterparts, they also earned less per hour than Asian women and white women. Asian women and white women also earned more than Black and Hispanic men.
Even after correcting for age, education and occupational differences there is still a smaller but unexplained gap between men and women. The gap is most apparent when comparing the earnings of White men verse Black women.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bustle.com/p/8-startling-statistics-that-show-how-the-pay-gap-affects-women-of-color-differently-48351/amp
Almost every one of those studies contrasts black women to white men. A couple of them make off the cuff comments about women being outearned by their counterparts, but they don't really provide the numbers for those cases. The main arguments being made are in relation to white men and white women. Also, that last study really flies in the face of the whole gender privilege argument because it said that white and asian women make more money on average than black and latino men, so again, we don't benefit from a gender privilege as much as ya'll claim. I don't really know how much any of those studies apply to what we're discussing. If anything, they seem to suggest that the race gap is more significant than the gender gap, so those studies seem to be proof that the harping ya'll do about the gender gap is just divisive and fruitless.
For all you nonreading ? keep scrolling
And i cut off my locs
The overriding theme is that men of all races earn more than their female counterparts
$2, $1, $.50 makes a big difference over years. Smh @ who makes little of the gap. Guessing whoever has never had to struggle, never had to not pay for their car insurance to pay rent
Anyways the numbers are there
When u account for age, experience, hours work, occupation etc the gap shrinks...though the gap shrinks there is still an explained gap
The fact that white women earn more than blk men was to illustrate again one type of privilege doesn’t mean you’re not oppressed in other ways and vice versa.
And yes female privilege exists, but they always hinge on ideas such as women are not as smart as men, women are mentally weaker, etc
That said, I'll agree that while these privileges lead to very little social gain for blk men. I'll also add for blk women female privilege rarely leads to a social advantage neither
However we still should be about tearing down all undeserved privilege. Male privilege isnt as harmful a force as white privilege, but it is harmful nonetheless
A lot of social ills we see in our community can be traced back to little blk girls growing up constantly bombarded with messages that her value is dependent on what men think of her; womens work is in the kitchen or taking care of ppl; video games are for boys; not being sexually assaulted is her responsibility; her body is not hers alone. Not to mention the anti-blk messaging
Think about the expectations society heaps on men does to blk boys growing up. You dont think that has to anything to do with the fact men are more likely to commit suicide than women
We're going around in circles. Again, most guys would probably agree that life isn't fair for black women and there is more that black men can do to stand for and with black women. However, black women going out of their way to ? on black men won't repair anything, so why do ya'll feminists keep doing it?
true....you cant ? on the person you saying aint standing up for you.....
you need a bit of self control and respect in order to be worth the trouble -
There is no such thing as black male privilege. Please provide concrete evidence of how black men en masse, are benefiting from simply being black men. We're killed in these streets everyday and expected to be nothing more than, dope boys, pimps, thugs or athletes.
What kind of toys are you talking about? Boys are marketed action figures, video games and cars. None of that presents this wide range of career possibilities you speak of. You also conveniently neglect to mention how girls are treated as little princesses for the most part resulting in a lot of the selfish spoiled and entitled attitude we men have to deal with today. If anything, the young girls are taught "? ain't ? " and are being given a negative view of black men from early on. Hence this article and the other one.
I see way more sistas in corporate management then black men and my belief is that it's due to one simple thing. The fear of the black man. You think these white folk want to have to listen to a black man? They will tolerate a black woman as she may be more likely to side with white supremacy if it secures her a position of power.
Also, with all these gender wage gap claims, they never take certain factors into account. For example, my wife and I both work in the same field and I make more than she does (not much though, but more). On the surface that seems unfair. However a deeper explanation is I'm 5 years older than her, and I didn't finish college. Instead I was busting my ass getting my foot in the door. I data entry jobs hell I even took a two weeks "secretary" position because it was computer related. All because I knew early on I wanted to do something with computers. She finished her degree but doesn't have as much job experience as I do. These studies never take things like that into account and a woman even debunked these wage gap myths years ago. Here's a more recent one https://www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness/2016/04/12/dont-buy-into-the-gender-pay-gap-myth/#717a2ec02596
Men are pushed to be bread winners so we strive to earn more. Period. Women are simply pushed to follow their dreams at the expense of whomever.
I can't get jiggy with this ?
blk men benefit from being a man in a society where women are thought of as male subordinates that is what i was referring to. or child bearing, for example, puts women at a unique disadvantage. unlike your woman when you guys get pregnant you don't have to worry about how it will impact your health or career in the long run
i could also argue blk male privilege exist in spaces like the typical 2 parent household who subscribe to traditional gender norms, the entertainment industry, the political arena and the blk church. do these privileges beget great social advantages? to a very small extent. never said any different. because we live in a white male patriarchy at the end of the day. doesn't mean the privilege doesn't exist or isn't harmful. privilege helps to beget the oppression of others
and yes, sexism hurts both genders. ive said that time after time...obviously you aren't reading my posts in their entirety which puts us both at a disadvantage lol.
and me as a woman being coddled because i'm thought of as an inherently lesser being then my male counterpart opposed to an intellectual equal with my own unique strengths actually hurts me more than it helps lol this is especially true for single women and single mothers looking to climb the economic ladder without being dependent on a man
same as i can say the expectations that society heaps on men to be the bread winner, to always be emotionally composed hurts you all as well as you suggested. men are inherently more of a physical threat that hurts as well
action figures, video/computer games, air planes, and cars are largely marketed to boys. i'll also add toys like chemistry sets. but you are wrong when you say they don't present this wide range of career possibilities. my nephew, for instance, has grown to love cars. his love of cars got him interested car racing. then he wanted to be a mechanic. at one point he was looking into designing cars. next he wanted to be an engineer. he loves racing video games so now he wants to design racing video games or be a graphic designer. my little cousin's love of video games, particularly computer games, led to him to become interested in computer programming, c.a.d. and how computer networking.
i already explained how the gap shrinks but but doesn't totally disappear when you account for experience, age, occupation, etc
that said, me asking blk men to stop subscribing/perpetuating these sexist ideas and speak out against misogyny i do it out of concern for both blk men and blk women. i ask the same of all men and women. being that this is a blk male dominated forum that may not seem like it is the case but it is. and i'm not trying to be antagonistic or emasculate anyone. and this whole idea that many of us have that men are lesser for being more woman like i.e. more empathetic, less aggressive is problematic -
A long ass post full of ? .
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »
In 2015, average hourly wages for black and Hispanic men were $15 and $14, respectively, compared with $21 for white men. Only the hourly earnings of Asian men ($24) outpaced those of white men.
Among women across all races and ethnicities, hourly earnings lag behind those of white men and men in their own racial or ethnic group. But the hourly earnings of Asian and white women ($18 and $17, respectively) are higher than those of black and Hispanic women ($13 and $12, respectively) – and also higher than those of black and Hispanic men.
While the hourly earnings of white men continue to outpace those of women, all groups of women have made progress in narrowing this wage gap since 1980, reflecting at least in part a significant increase in the education levels and workforce experience of women over time.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/01/racial-gender-wage-gaps-persist-in-u-s-despite-some-progress/?amp=1
According to the Economic Policy Institute—a nonpartisan think tank focused on including low- and middle-income workers in economic-policy discussions—black women’s salaries are in the unique intersection of race and gender. Even after controlling for education, location and experience, black women are paid 67 cents for every dollar a non-Hispanic white man is paid.
In 1979, even though there was a large gender pay gap, black women earned roughly the same amount as white women. During the intervening 37 years, progress slowed substantially for black women. In 2016, white women earned 76 percent of what white men earned, while black women’s average earnings were 9 points lower.
http://www.epi.org/blog/black-women-have-to-work-7-months-into-2017-to-be-paid-the-same-as-white-men-in-2016/
Black and Hispanic women not only made less than their male counterparts, they also earned less per hour than Asian women and white women. Asian women and white women also earned more than Black and Hispanic men.
Even after correcting for age, education and occupational differences there is still a smaller but unexplained gap between men and women. The gap is most apparent when comparing the earnings of White men verse Black women.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bustle.com/p/8-startling-statistics-that-show-how-the-pay-gap-affects-women-of-color-differently-48351/amp
Almost every one of those studies contrasts black women to white men. A couple of them make off the cuff comments about women being outearned by their counterparts, but they don't really provide the numbers for those cases. The main arguments being made are in relation to white men and white women. Also, that last study really flies in the face of the whole gender privilege argument because it said that white and asian women make more money on average than black and latino men, so again, we don't benefit from a gender privilege as much as ya'll claim. I don't really know how much any of those studies apply to what we're discussing. If anything, they seem to suggest that the race gap is more significant than the gender gap, so those studies seem to be proof that the harping ya'll do about the gender gap is just divisive and fruitless.
For all you nonreading ? keep scrolling
And i cut off my locs
The overriding theme is that men of all races earn more than their female counterparts
$2, $1, $.50 makes a big difference over years. Smh @ who makes little of the gap. Guessing whoever has never had to struggle, never had to not pay for their car insurance to pay rent
Anyways the numbers are there
When u account for age, experience, hours work, occupation etc the gap shrinks...though the gap shrinks there is still an explained gap
The fact that white women earn more than blk men was to illustrate again one type of privilege doesn’t mean you’re not oppressed in other ways and vice versa.
And yes female privilege exists, but they always hinge on ideas such as women are not as smart as men, women are mentally weaker, etc
That said, I'll agree that while these privileges lead to very little social gain for blk men. I'll also add for blk women female privilege rarely leads to a social advantage neither
However we still should be about tearing down all undeserved privilege. Male privilege isnt as harmful a force as white privilege, but it is harmful nonetheless
A lot of social ills we see in our community can be traced back to little blk girls growing up constantly bombarded with messages that her value is dependent on what men think of her; womens work is in the kitchen or taking care of ppl; video games are for boys; not being sexually assaulted is her responsibility; her body is not hers alone. Not to mention the anti-blk messaging
Think about the expectations society heaps on men does to blk boys growing up. You dont think that has to anything to do with the fact men are more likely to commit suicide than women
We're going around in circles. Again, most guys would probably agree that life isn't fair for black women and there is more that black men can do to stand for and with black women. However, black women going out of their way to ? on black men won't repair anything, so why do ya'll feminists keep doing it?
lol
most men i've interacted in real life and on the internet believe women and by extension blk women are unfairly coddled and we face very little problems stemming from misogyny or sexist which is what i've been trying to say
how am i ? on blk men though? i already admitted that some women, feminist are also apart of the problem
and let's also acknowledge the one group receiving the most ire from feminist has been white men, particularly the GOP
so while blk women may take to blk men to task from time to time for the part they play...sometimes unjustly
and there are plenty of white women who identify as feminist but contribute to racism
white men have never been spared
See
https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/national-party-news/318512-warren-silenced-a-sexist-gop-tells-a-woman-to-shut-up?amp
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/laura-chapin/2015/08/07/the-gop-debates-sexist-stand-against-womens-rights?context=amp
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-hollywood-values-updates-how-will-gamergate-values-play-out-in-1483646871-htmlstory.html
http://www.gal-dem.com/need-talk-radicalisation-alt-right-white-men/
http://amyjogoddard.com/posts/how-white-supremacy-and-misogyny-connect/
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/4877364/trump-boy-scouts-jamboree-toxic-masculinity/?source=dam
https://newrepublic.com/minutes/131093/gop-debate-great-lesson-dangers-toxic-masculinity
i could go on and on
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Can't ignore ? like his because ? can get out of hand if you leave it alone
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Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »
lol
most men i've interacted in real life...I think the perception that women are coddled comes partially from past practices where women actually were coddled, so it's fair to say that's a product of patriarchy. I think it's also due to the modern way women address issues. For example, if I get stupidly ? and something bad happens to me. People may condemn what happened to me, but it's also understood that my actions put me in a vulnerable state and I have to take responsibility for that. No one would ever argue that point in a man's case. For women, the reaction by many is different. They seem to argue for the right of women to behave as recklessly as they want, and if anything bad happens, she bears no responsibility whatsoever. To men, that reaction seems like coddling because it's drilled in us from day one that we have to be responsible for our actions no matter what happens.
lol Yes, white men catch hell from feminists too. The difference is many of them don't give a ? . They have real power, so what do they care about some birds clucking at them. However, it's not like white men haven't come up with their own movements to go against women (e.g. MGTOW). Ya'll come at us hard, and we haven't come up with some kinda movement to bash or oppose you. We mostly call the ones of you we don't like "? " and keep it moving. Just recognize that the damage you do to us is far more than white women do or even can do to white men. At the end of the day, white elites are constantly trying to smear black men (and black women too for that matter). They don't even have to say anything when they can simply pick up some black feminist ? and say "Look, we told you they were bad. Even their own women think they are savages."
