The Nagging Mom: What the **** is up with women and censorship?
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Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »VulcanRaven wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »SuperManuel wrote: »That's the crazy thing to me. So much of this ? is fake. I grew up under the impression that ? who read comics, play video games etc were nerds who got no ? and were actively shunned by outsiders.
A movie like the 40 Year Old ? encapsulated this idea. What was the first thing his friends did when they tried to get him some ? ? They wanted to get rid of all his collectibles and nerd stuff because it was ? repellent.
For years this was true:
But out of nowhere it seems like women care so much now about what guys are doing in games or comics
true but girls was always gaming. they only played kiddie ? like super Mario or Kirby though.
That's what folks dont get.
Women read comics and manga too but it ain't the same ? men read.
People think everybody should do everything. Sometimes people just ain't interested!
Women and girls buy and or read comics and such that is women friendly... Even though we make up a significant portion of the market very little is catered towards us which is a part of the problem
And at the end of the day we live in a capitalist society
The ultimate goal is to expend ur market to make more money
That means making comics more accessible to minorities including women, poc and ? now that they have more buying power
Comics, and video games to a lesser extent, also have a long history of racist caricature that the industry is now grapling with
There are more blk super heroes
And recently batman confronts police racism in latest comic book so you have a problem with that?
Should the industry not be held responsible for the misogyny and racism they perpetuate
Should the industry not feel as though they have a social responsibility to address these things? Or rather why do yall have such a big problem with it
*shrugs*
Before anyone starts most popular female spaces and publications do not perpetuate the same contempt for anything other and objectification of the opposite sex at all. most of them is centered around what women can do to keep a man, i.e. lose weight, tone, makeup, head manuals etc
Your problem is that you're making something that's not political -- political!
Watch whatever you want, read whatever you want nobody gives a ? .
People give a ? when you decide to change what they want into some ? you want.
Nobody wants to be preached to or lambasted for liking something. Move on. Take all that nagging ? somewhere else, ? was having fun over here.
If you really liked something, you wouldn't go out of your way to change it. It's that type of thinking that is ruining fun ventures.
All this policing of the imagination, telling people what they can and can't fantasize about or buy with their money... ? is arrogant as ? .
Everything ain't about you and your politics.
Get the ? on!
get out your feelings
comics, video games are inherently political because there is no real distinction between politics and stories about the world .... american superhero comics like super man and xmen for instance were political from their earliest days
in the 40s superman was a champion for the oppressed fighting wealthy industrialists and crooked politicians
and it's not about changing what makes comic books and video games video games and comic books... like i said its about practicing social responsibility and expanding the market
again comics and video games aren't just becoming more woman friendly, the industry has made a concerted effort to reach out to poc....even the disabled more than they have done in the past
is that bad? lol
this idea that its about women nagging and wanting to ruin male spaces is your male privilege talking
The industry was never anti-woman, you can't find a single thing that ever said women were welcome.
Female writers and editors going back 30 years
Female characters going back 60-70 years where is this ? you talking about?
lol
in video games and comics?
the humor
they way women are drawn and dressed.... the overt sexualization
the tendency to turn women into expendable plot accessories to further the hero’s arc opposed to 3 dimensional characters
same as for most mediums, male characters are given the overwhelming majority of the speaking lines
we have video games where you can only play male characters who have the ability to pick up and ? female prostitutes
wasn't a big, big comic book reader growing up but that was because of the aforementioned and my parents wasn't with it and all the violence
Actually know the facts. You have no credibility on this topic. You can ? anyone in GTA, not just prostitutes. You obviously never played the game or are just pushing an agenda.
The second bold, so you never were allowed to read comics but claiming women were represented a certain way...how would you know if you weren't allowed to read them? Once again, you are pushing an agenda based on no facts at all. Then it wouldn't matter anyway since your parents were against comic violence lol.
Stop talking about things you have no knowledge or experience with. It makes you look ignorant.
i'm 30 ...i have been able do as i please without the consent of my parents for a while including read comics
i have 4 older brothers who enjoy comics
and been a fan of gta since it was 2d lol
not til i got older did i grow uncomfortable with the game play and it started to bother me there were no playable female protagonist in gta 5 for ex or did female characters historically have major roles
you can ? anyone, but that is besides the point
having no female protagonist, little to no female characters with major roles, and on top of having female prostitutes you can pick up, have sex with and ? is the issue
Go play a game with a female protagonist. There are plenty of those. I doubt you played gta 5. I bet you're only repeating feminist talking points.
If gta 5 was making you uncomfortable then change your game.
Your issue is that you want a form of entertainment to conform to your personal ethics. That's not how the world works. Only a narcissistic ? would think it does.
No one is forcing you to play any game you don't want. But you think it's ok to try and force devs and creators to make a product for a demographic that's not even interested in the industry.
Before gta v what was the last game you played?
@Madame_CJSkywalker
right now i'm playing breath of the wild and nba 2k alil
dope how nba live now has wnba teams
but yea the issue is there aren't a great variety of games with female protagonist...things are changing though
lol @ narcissistic ? ....
like others i just want video games, comic industry to not perpetuate negative, sexist stereotypes
and realize women and poc like the ? too...we want to see more of ourselves in a variety of different capacities ....and not just characters that are villains or comic relief or tokens or sexual objects
as a customer of these products think we all have a bit of a right to make request or voice our complaints ...same as ppl can argue the new iron man being a blk girl is a stupid idea
but sure i would think i was being petty or it was just me "nagging" if i was a straight man too
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Bae plays 2k??
Do you play destiny? -
Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »@VulcanRaven
Lol
Video games rarely cater to girls and women stop
Please dont name the sims or kirby lol
Im Fox new but im tryna argument why diversity and inclusiveness is important and lacking in video games and comics???
Stop
Girls usually like the Sims, which means it caters to them. They had Nintendogs, Barbie Games, Pokemon, Sing Star, Rockband, Guitar Hero, racing games and games that had female characters. You don't know anything about games. There are millions of female gamers playing GTA, COD, Battlefield, Uncharted, The Last of Us and Overwatch. Destiny is also popular with female gamers as is Bloodborne and Dark Souls. Should I post links to female streamers @Madame_CJSkywalker ? -
Your argument is predicated on ? you read online and not facts.
Metroid had a female lead in the 80s, it was actually progressive as you didn't know Samus was a girl until the end of the game. Nobody complained, she was depicted as being awesome...full stop, not "? girl power awesome!"
One of the biggest game franchises of the 90s was Tomb Raider. You played EXCLUSIVELY as a woman archeologist (so yes, woman and "the science") they even made movies starring Angelina Jolie and the franchise was rebooted in the 2010s with another film on the way.
Resident Evil had plenty of female leads. The entire Resident Evil film line had a female lead...every single one and there's like 10 of them.
Resident Evil knock offs like Paradise Eve and Dino Crisis also had female leads.
Bayonnetta was popular in the 00s, female lead. Bloodrayne also (which garnered two small budget movies)
The Final Fantasy series had an all female cast before. Several games with female leads. Final Fantasy is a huge franchise.
Where is your argument?! That's 30 years of females in gaming and nobody gave a ? .
Females in fighting games are just as capable as the men. Where's the sexism? The sexism is they have ? that are nicer than yours, I bet. There's no lack of diversity.
There's a lack of honesty and integrity in censors who want to ruin everyone else's fun. Grow up.
On top of that Sony just released 3 games this year with female leads and one has sold over 4 million copies already. Madame on some ? . -
Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »
I'll address your dumb argument.
Females read manga and are generally more interested in anime than in comics.
The Japanese art form has sub categorized manga into types that appeal to a variety of people.
The manga that girls tend to read have to do with drama and other typical female ? .
The genre boys tend to read are shonen and action based hero's journey stories.
It would be foolish for the makers of a manga like dragonball or naruto, typical shonen, and switch it up to draw in females. They would lose one audience trying to get another. Collapse.
In contrast American superhero genre is one giant shonen. It's all male centered and the characters typically go through This hero's journey arc: batman super man iron man spider man, all These characters go through an origin tale that is essentially about male responsibility and duty. Two things Females have no interest in responsibility and duty.
The comic book industry, American shonen is male centered. Nothing wrong with that. Males typically like danger and adventure. Evidenced by the fact it is mostly men who in real life engage in risky and perilous behavior, and suffer from death by misadventure. So it's only natural that boys are drawn to comic book adventures. Males believe it or not are also attracted to attractive women so the females depicted are going to appeal to those desires.
Comic books are losing sales because they are trying to split the difference and gain Two audiences that largely have opposing interests. So American comics have lost males and have not gained Females. They keep trying to gain Females by warping the industry but it is not successful.
Females have every right and opportunity to engage and participate in the industry at every level, and they have. But you want the outcome to go against the grain of male and female proclivities and that's stupid and short sighted.
you believe females aren't interested in responsibility and duty? smh.... yet u r the serious reasonable, one????
even though sales have been going up, the comic book industry has been consistently losing sales for a long time.... the push for diversity and to expand its audience is a response that ....one of many
there is a large proportion of women and poc who love all types of comics, manga to spider man to preacher to naruto but don't feel like they see themselves and feel as they aren't being properly depicted by major studios i'm speaking for them and from what i've observed personally
same as i can name plenty of blk characters from popular tv, you can name storm and wonder woman alike, but the fact still remains women and poc are underrepresented ....and fact remains in many of the roles for women and poc are not as substantive as their male counter parts (particularly white males) and perpetuate negative stereotypes
and obviously we nothing wrong with wanting to look at attractive ppl but the female characters all tend to be hypersexualized which can impact beliefs about gender roles, body esteem, and self objectification
that said, if the major studios and to a lesser extent hired more women and poc artists, editors, writers, etc their efforts to promote diversity and inclusiveness would be more successful....
and i love dragon ball z growing up as well as other women i know. not all women want to read love stories and such. plenty of us who like straight action and adventure. this idea that we don't exist or don't matter is sexist. that said, why would adding more diversity and substantial roles for female fighters in something like dragon ball not work or drive away male fans???
same with video games... why would adding a playable female character to gta and other popular franchises drive away male fans? why would excluding misogynistic content drive away real fans? is the sexism and the gratuitous violence is what really make these games great?
You can create your character in GTA Online, which is what many women do and why they play it. The story wouldn't make sense adding a woman since realistically the type of crime being committed by the characters are not committed by women. Why would you even want women to be represented as criminals in games anyway? You can not deny that certain things are associated with male or female gender. That is just a fact. -
Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »VulcanRaven wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »SuperManuel wrote: »That's the crazy thing to me. So much of this ? is fake. I grew up under the impression that ? who read comics, play video games etc were nerds who got no ? and were actively shunned by outsiders.
A movie like the 40 Year Old ? encapsulated this idea. What was the first thing his friends did when they tried to get him some ? ? They wanted to get rid of all his collectibles and nerd stuff because it was ? repellent.
For years this was true:
But out of nowhere it seems like women care so much now about what guys are doing in games or comics
true but girls was always gaming. they only played kiddie ? like super Mario or Kirby though.
That's what folks dont get.
Women read comics and manga too but it ain't the same ? men read.
People think everybody should do everything. Sometimes people just ain't interested!
Women and girls buy and or read comics and such that is women friendly... Even though we make up a significant portion of the market very little is catered towards us which is a part of the problem
And at the end of the day we live in a capitalist society
The ultimate goal is to expend ur market to make more money
That means making comics more accessible to minorities including women, poc and ? now that they have more buying power
Comics, and video games to a lesser extent, also have a long history of racist caricature that the industry is now grapling with
There are more blk super heroes
And recently batman confronts police racism in latest comic book so you have a problem with that?
Should the industry not be held responsible for the misogyny and racism they perpetuate
Should the industry not feel as though they have a social responsibility to address these things? Or rather why do yall have such a big problem with it
*shrugs*
Before anyone starts most popular female spaces and publications do not perpetuate the same contempt for anything other and objectification of the opposite sex at all. most of them is centered around what women can do to keep a man, i.e. lose weight, tone, makeup, head manuals etc
Your problem is that you're making something that's not political -- political!
Watch whatever you want, read whatever you want nobody gives a ? .
People give a ? when you decide to change what they want into some ? you want.
Nobody wants to be preached to or lambasted for liking something. Move on. Take all that nagging ? somewhere else, ? was having fun over here.
If you really liked something, you wouldn't go out of your way to change it. It's that type of thinking that is ruining fun ventures.
All this policing of the imagination, telling people what they can and can't fantasize about or buy with their money... ? is arrogant as ? .
Everything ain't about you and your politics.
Get the ? on!
get out your feelings
comics, video games are inherently political because there is no real distinction between politics and stories about the world .... american superhero comics like super man and xmen for instance were political from their earliest days
in the 40s superman was a champion for the oppressed fighting wealthy industrialists and crooked politicians
and it's not about changing what makes comic books and video games video games and comic books... like i said its about practicing social responsibility and expanding the market
again comics and video games aren't just becoming more woman friendly, the industry has made a concerted effort to reach out to poc....even the disabled more than they have done in the past
is that bad? lol
this idea that its about women nagging and wanting to ruin male spaces is your male privilege talking
The industry was never anti-woman, you can't find a single thing that ever said women were welcome.
Female writers and editors going back 30 years
Female characters going back 60-70 years where is this ? you talking about?
lol
in video games and comics?
the humor
they way women are drawn and dressed.... the overt sexualization
the tendency to turn women into expendable plot accessories to further the hero’s arc opposed to 3 dimensional characters
same as for most mediums, male characters are given the overwhelming majority of the speaking lines
we have video games where you can only play male characters who have the ability to pick up and ? female prostitutes
wasn't a big, big comic book reader growing up but that was because of the aforementioned and my parents wasn't with it and all the violence
Actually know the facts. You have no credibility on this topic. You can ? anyone in GTA, not just prostitutes. You obviously never played the game or are just pushing an agenda.
The second bold, so you never were allowed to read comics but claiming women were represented a certain way...how would you know if you weren't allowed to read them? Once again, you are pushing an agenda based on no facts at all. Then it wouldn't matter anyway since your parents were against comic violence lol.
Stop talking about things you have no knowledge or experience with. It makes you look ignorant.
i'm 30 ...i have been able do as i please without the consent of my parents for a while including read comics
i have 4 older brothers who enjoy comics
and been a fan of gta since it was 2d lol
not til i got older did i grow uncomfortable with the game play and it started to bother me there were no playable female protagonist in gta 5 for ex or did female characters historically have major roles
you can ? anyone, but that is besides the point
having no female protagonist, little to no female characters with major roles, and on top of having female prostitutes you can pick up, have sex with and ? is the issue
You don't have to do anything lol. Killing prostitutes is a choice. Why does GTA need female characters as a lead or support? It won't make the game better and that is pushing an agenda once again. The characters in GTA are irrelevant if you enjoy the game. Go play a game that has a female lead or supporting characters. There are many. Out of all the ? up ? in GTA you are angry about the ability to ? a prostitute? rofl -
Confession: I'm a Jack ass.
Here i am with the fellas talking about how females suck the fun out of everything.
And along comes a female exemplifying the very thing we are talking about.
Instead of me calling her out i allow myself to get trapped into another of her pointless trolls.
@Madame_CJSkywalker go back and read your posts. Do you sound like someone that people want to be around for a good time?
Has anyone ever called you to kick it? Have you ever made a fun situation more fun?
Yesterday i summoned her to the fave fight scene thread in lca. Never showed up. Because she doesn't watch action movies. She probably thinks they are dumb.
That's cool bc no female posted in the thread. Because like comic books and video games the average female don't rock with action movies.
And that's cool.
Whats not cool is females demanding that men change around fun ? to make it palatable for them, under some weak guise of "but what about the children" everything ain't for everybody.
You trying to make this equitable outcome ruins everything.
There's nothing stopping girls from making the games the comics and movies they want.
lol
there are literally only 3,4 reg female posters on this site...
and you need money and backing to make video games.... money to market comics... that's a part of the problem
but yea i prob wouldn't find you that fun either
and i do like action movies like a lot of women.... do you interact, socialize with a lot of women on anything other than a superficial level??? have a lot of female friends who aren't trying to ? ?
logan, mad max have been some of my favorite movies the last few years though....don't get to watch a lot of movies though
maybe i say we like action with a good story....opposed to just action for the sake of action....but that's prob the case for most adults
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HundredEyes wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »How ridiculous. People don't have water, people don't have homes, people don't have rights but by gawd we gotta fight the male gaze.
lol
smh
says the person crying about women wanting fair and balance representation across mediums
what about your priorities bruh
i'm only responding to a thread you created
Co sign this ? to the fullest.
Wtf are those developers, artists etc thinking using their so called imagination, creativity and dare I say it...free will and money...
We need panels...people who check these fools worldwide on the ? they make up. Put everyone in boxes and corner them all up so that people of all walks of life are probably represented...
? , I for one am absolutely disgusted that senior citizens did not get the proper representation in Dragon Ball Super...Japan has more elderly than young folk.
And why are there barely any bald headed or bearded up super heroes? Evidently there are loads of bald headed mofos out there....and what did we get? One punch man? The ? ? Batman has been rocking the cowl for decades yet his hairline never fades?
Worst book ever written was the Lord of the rings..orcs, dwarves, wizards....but no Asian women?
And don't even get me started on game of thrones...white walkers? No black walkers? Mist be two sides.
Like you I'm tired and fed up reading, watching and hearing all types of ? other people created that doesn't reflect my grand understanding of the world.
You are on point, but you missed the biggest issue of all with Game of Thrones. Why no land dragons b? She got flying dragons but not all dragons can fly. Why they don't add no diversity by having land dragons. They can't fly but they are still dragons. -
VulcanRaven wrote: »Your argument is predicated on ? you read online and not facts.
Metroid had a female lead in the 80s, it was actually progressive as you didn't know Samus was a girl until the end of the game. Nobody complained, she was depicted as being awesome...full stop, not "? girl power awesome!"
One of the biggest game franchises of the 90s was Tomb Raider. You played EXCLUSIVELY as a woman archeologist (so yes, woman and "the science") they even made movies starring Angelina Jolie and the franchise was rebooted in the 2010s with another film on the way.
Resident Evil had plenty of female leads. The entire Resident Evil film line had a female lead...every single one and there's like 10 of them.
Resident Evil knock offs like Paradise Eve and Dino Crisis also had female leads.
Bayonnetta was popular in the 00s, female lead. Bloodrayne also (which garnered two small budget movies)
The Final Fantasy series had an all female cast before. Several games with female leads. Final Fantasy is a huge franchise.
Where is your argument?! That's 30 years of females in gaming and nobody gave a ? .
Females in fighting games are just as capable as the men. Where's the sexism? The sexism is they have ? that are nicer than yours, I bet. There's no lack of diversity.
There's a lack of honesty and integrity in censors who want to ruin everyone else's fun. Grow up.
On top of that Sony just released 3 games this year with female leads and one has sold over 4 million copies already. Madame on some ? .
Lol
Sigh
U r right things are changing finally
With games like zero dawn
Couldn't say the same 10, 15 yrs ago
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VulcanRaven wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »VulcanRaven wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »SuperManuel wrote: »That's the crazy thing to me. So much of this ? is fake. I grew up under the impression that ? who read comics, play video games etc were nerds who got no ? and were actively shunned by outsiders.
A movie like the 40 Year Old ? encapsulated this idea. What was the first thing his friends did when they tried to get him some ? ? They wanted to get rid of all his collectibles and nerd stuff because it was ? repellent.
For years this was true:
But out of nowhere it seems like women care so much now about what guys are doing in games or comics
true but girls was always gaming. they only played kiddie ? like super Mario or Kirby though.
That's what folks dont get.
Women read comics and manga too but it ain't the same ? men read.
People think everybody should do everything. Sometimes people just ain't interested!
Women and girls buy and or read comics and such that is women friendly... Even though we make up a significant portion of the market very little is catered towards us which is a part of the problem
And at the end of the day we live in a capitalist society
The ultimate goal is to expend ur market to make more money
That means making comics more accessible to minorities including women, poc and ? now that they have more buying power
Comics, and video games to a lesser extent, also have a long history of racist caricature that the industry is now grapling with
There are more blk super heroes
And recently batman confronts police racism in latest comic book so you have a problem with that?
Should the industry not be held responsible for the misogyny and racism they perpetuate
Should the industry not feel as though they have a social responsibility to address these things? Or rather why do yall have such a big problem with it
*shrugs*
Before anyone starts most popular female spaces and publications do not perpetuate the same contempt for anything other and objectification of the opposite sex at all. most of them is centered around what women can do to keep a man, i.e. lose weight, tone, makeup, head manuals etc
Your problem is that you're making something that's not political -- political!
Watch whatever you want, read whatever you want nobody gives a ? .
People give a ? when you decide to change what they want into some ? you want.
Nobody wants to be preached to or lambasted for liking something. Move on. Take all that nagging ? somewhere else, ? was having fun over here.
If you really liked something, you wouldn't go out of your way to change it. It's that type of thinking that is ruining fun ventures.
All this policing of the imagination, telling people what they can and can't fantasize about or buy with their money... ? is arrogant as ? .
Everything ain't about you and your politics.
Get the ? on!
get out your feelings
comics, video games are inherently political because there is no real distinction between politics and stories about the world .... american superhero comics like super man and xmen for instance were political from their earliest days
in the 40s superman was a champion for the oppressed fighting wealthy industrialists and crooked politicians
and it's not about changing what makes comic books and video games video games and comic books... like i said its about practicing social responsibility and expanding the market
again comics and video games aren't just becoming more woman friendly, the industry has made a concerted effort to reach out to poc....even the disabled more than they have done in the past
is that bad? lol
this idea that its about women nagging and wanting to ruin male spaces is your male privilege talking
The industry was never anti-woman, you can't find a single thing that ever said women were welcome.
Female writers and editors going back 30 years
Female characters going back 60-70 years where is this ? you talking about?
lol
in video games and comics?
the humor
they way women are drawn and dressed.... the overt sexualization
the tendency to turn women into expendable plot accessories to further the hero’s arc opposed to 3 dimensional characters
same as for most mediums, male characters are given the overwhelming majority of the speaking lines
we have video games where you can only play male characters who have the ability to pick up and ? female prostitutes
wasn't a big, big comic book reader growing up but that was because of the aforementioned and my parents wasn't with it and all the violence
Actually know the facts. You have no credibility on this topic. You can ? anyone in GTA, not just prostitutes. You obviously never played the game or are just pushing an agenda.
The second bold, so you never were allowed to read comics but claiming women were represented a certain way...how would you know if you weren't allowed to read them? Once again, you are pushing an agenda based on no facts at all. Then it wouldn't matter anyway since your parents were against comic violence lol.
Stop talking about things you have no knowledge or experience with. It makes you look ignorant.
i'm 30 ...i have been able do as i please without the consent of my parents for a while including read comics
i have 4 older brothers who enjoy comics
and been a fan of gta since it was 2d lol
not til i got older did i grow uncomfortable with the game play and it started to bother me there were no playable female protagonist in gta 5 for ex or did female characters historically have major roles
you can ? anyone, but that is besides the point
having no female protagonist, little to no female characters with major roles, and on top of having female prostitutes you can pick up, have sex with and ? is the issue
You don't have to do anything lol. Killing prostitutes is a choice. Why does GTA need female characters as a lead or support? It won't make the game better and that is pushing an agenda once again. The characters in GTA are irrelevant if you enjoy the game. Go play a game that has a female lead or supporting characters. There are many. Out of all the ? up sgit in GTA you are angry about the ability to ? a prostitute? rofl
No gta a lot of ? up ? happens, can happen
But considering that female prositutes are some of the most vulnerable and preyed upon members of our society along with the fact no female characters played prominent roles tht made it even more disturbing
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Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »VulcanRaven wrote: »Your argument is predicated on ? you read online and not facts.
Metroid had a female lead in the 80s, it was actually progressive as you didn't know Samus was a girl until the end of the game. Nobody complained, she was depicted as being awesome...full stop, not "? girl power awesome!"
One of the biggest game franchises of the 90s was Tomb Raider. You played EXCLUSIVELY as a woman archeologist (so yes, woman and "the science") they even made movies starring Angelina Jolie and the franchise was rebooted in the 2010s with another film on the way.
Resident Evil had plenty of female leads. The entire Resident Evil film line had a female lead...every single one and there's like 10 of them.
Resident Evil knock offs like Paradise Eve and Dino Crisis also had female leads.
Bayonnetta was popular in the 00s, female lead. Bloodrayne also (which garnered two small budget movies)
The Final Fantasy series had an all female cast before. Several games with female leads. Final Fantasy is a huge franchise.
Where is your argument?! That's 30 years of females in gaming and nobody gave a ? .
Females in fighting games are just as capable as the men. Where's the sexism? The sexism is they have ? that are nicer than yours, I bet. There's no lack of diversity.
There's a lack of honesty and integrity in censors who want to ruin everyone else's fun. Grow up.
On top of that Sony just released 3 games this year with female leads and one has sold over 4 million copies already. Madame on some ? .
Lol
Sigh
U r right things are changing finally
With games like zero dawn
Couldn't say the same 10, 15 yrs ago
Samus was in a game about 30 years ago. Tera was in FF6 20 years ago, right after that you had Lara, Jill, Claire, the woman from Dino Crisis, the woman from Fear Effect and parasite Eve all as main characters in the late 90s. Joanna Dark in 2000, an all Female FF game with FFX-2 and many more. Zero Dawn is my favorite game of the generation so far and I support more female characters, but not as an agenda. -
@Madame_CJSkywalker.
I peeped her move man.
She literally googles talking points. She's never mentioned any of this stuff nor posted in a video game thread or comic book thread or in lca.
she was coming off like an ass talking about video games and Comics from this outsider perspective. Her posts didn't come off experiential at all. Vague ambiguous just standard talking points. She didn't name one game or comic book character until gta v.
Realizing she was sounding like a lame she went and researched.
Who's your team on 2k?
What player you think overrated?
What's your gamertag?
Why you so fake. It's ok to be wrong.
She literally googled "popular dbz saga"
Who was the ? ? in that saga? And why?
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Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »VulcanRaven wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »VulcanRaven wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »SuperManuel wrote: »That's the crazy thing to me. So much of this ? is fake. I grew up under the impression that ? who read comics, play video games etc were nerds who got no ? and were actively shunned by outsiders.
A movie like the 40 Year Old ? encapsulated this idea. What was the first thing his friends did when they tried to get him some ? ? They wanted to get rid of all his collectibles and nerd stuff because it was ? repellent.
For years this was true:
But out of nowhere it seems like women care so much now about what guys are doing in games or comics
true but girls was always gaming. they only played kiddie ? like super Mario or Kirby though.
That's what folks dont get.
Women read comics and manga too but it ain't the same ? men read.
People think everybody should do everything. Sometimes people just ain't interested!
Women and girls buy and or read comics and such that is women friendly... Even though we make up a significant portion of the market very little is catered towards us which is a part of the problem
And at the end of the day we live in a capitalist society
The ultimate goal is to expend ur market to make more money
That means making comics more accessible to minorities including women, poc and ? now that they have more buying power
Comics, and video games to a lesser extent, also have a long history of racist caricature that the industry is now grapling with
There are more blk super heroes
And recently batman confronts police racism in latest comic book so you have a problem with that?
Should the industry not be held responsible for the misogyny and racism they perpetuate
Should the industry not feel as though they have a social responsibility to address these things? Or rather why do yall have such a big problem with it
*shrugs*
Before anyone starts most popular female spaces and publications do not perpetuate the same contempt for anything other and objectification of the opposite sex at all. most of them is centered around what women can do to keep a man, i.e. lose weight, tone, makeup, head manuals etc
Your problem is that you're making something that's not political -- political!
Watch whatever you want, read whatever you want nobody gives a ? .
People give a ? when you decide to change what they want into some ? you want.
Nobody wants to be preached to or lambasted for liking something. Move on. Take all that nagging ? somewhere else, ? was having fun over here.
If you really liked something, you wouldn't go out of your way to change it. It's that type of thinking that is ruining fun ventures.
All this policing of the imagination, telling people what they can and can't fantasize about or buy with their money... ? is arrogant as ? .
Everything ain't about you and your politics.
Get the ? on!
get out your feelings
comics, video games are inherently political because there is no real distinction between politics and stories about the world .... american superhero comics like super man and xmen for instance were political from their earliest days
in the 40s superman was a champion for the oppressed fighting wealthy industrialists and crooked politicians
and it's not about changing what makes comic books and video games video games and comic books... like i said its about practicing social responsibility and expanding the market
again comics and video games aren't just becoming more woman friendly, the industry has made a concerted effort to reach out to poc....even the disabled more than they have done in the past
is that bad? lol
this idea that its about women nagging and wanting to ruin male spaces is your male privilege talking
The industry was never anti-woman, you can't find a single thing that ever said women were welcome.
Female writers and editors going back 30 years
Female characters going back 60-70 years where is this ? you talking about?
lol
in video games and comics?
the humor
they way women are drawn and dressed.... the overt sexualization
the tendency to turn women into expendable plot accessories to further the hero’s arc opposed to 3 dimensional characters
same as for most mediums, male characters are given the overwhelming majority of the speaking lines
we have video games where you can only play male characters who have the ability to pick up and ? female prostitutes
wasn't a big, big comic book reader growing up but that was because of the aforementioned and my parents wasn't with it and all the violence
Actually know the facts. You have no credibility on this topic. You can ? anyone in GTA, not just prostitutes. You obviously never played the game or are just pushing an agenda.
The second bold, so you never were allowed to read comics but claiming women were represented a certain way...how would you know if you weren't allowed to read them? Once again, you are pushing an agenda based on no facts at all. Then it wouldn't matter anyway since your parents were against comic violence lol.
Stop talking about things you have no knowledge or experience with. It makes you look ignorant.
i'm 30 ...i have been able do as i please without the consent of my parents for a while including read comics
i have 4 older brothers who enjoy comics
and been a fan of gta since it was 2d lol
not til i got older did i grow uncomfortable with the game play and it started to bother me there were no playable female protagonist in gta 5 for ex or did female characters historically have major roles
you can ? anyone, but that is besides the point
having no female protagonist, little to no female characters with major roles, and on top of having female prostitutes you can pick up, have sex with and ? is the issue
You don't have to do anything lol. Killing prostitutes is a choice. Why does GTA need female characters as a lead or support? It won't make the game better and that is pushing an agenda once again. The characters in GTA are irrelevant if you enjoy the game. Go play a game that has a female lead or supporting characters. There are many. Out of all the ? up sgit in GTA you are angry about the ability to ? a prostitute? rofl
No gta a lot of ? up ? happens, can happen
But considering that female prositutes are some of the most vulnerable and preyed upon members of our society along with the fact no female characters played prominent roles tht made it even more disturbing
The game is not about killing prostitutes but if it makes you feel better I used to enjoy shooting up the cops, running over random people and blowing up cars. All of that is less disturbing huh? I always made sure the prostitutes were spared.
Sike I ued to run them over after they got out the car and took my money back. ? lol -
VulcanRaven wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »VulcanRaven wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »VulcanRaven wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »SuperManuel wrote: »That's the crazy thing to me. So much of this ? is fake. I grew up under the impression that ? who read comics, play video games etc were nerds who got no ? and were actively shunned by outsiders.
A movie like the 40 Year Old ? encapsulated this idea. What was the first thing his friends did when they tried to get him some ? ? They wanted to get rid of all his collectibles and nerd stuff because it was ? repellent.
For years this was true:
But out of nowhere it seems like women care so much now about what guys are doing in games or comics
true but girls was always gaming. they only played kiddie ? like super Mario or Kirby though.
That's what folks dont get.
Women read comics and manga too but it ain't the same ? men read.
People think everybody should do everything. Sometimes people just ain't interested!
Women and girls buy and or read comics and such that is women friendly... Even though we make up a significant portion of the market very little is catered towards us which is a part of the problem
And at the end of the day we live in a capitalist society
The ultimate goal is to expend ur market to make more money
That means making comics more accessible to minorities including women, poc and ? now that they have more buying power
Comics, and video games to a lesser extent, also have a long history of racist caricature that the industry is now grapling with
There are more blk super heroes
And recently batman confronts police racism in latest comic book so you have a problem with that?
Should the industry not be held responsible for the misogyny and racism they perpetuate
Should the industry not feel as though they have a social responsibility to address these things? Or rather why do yall have such a big problem with it
*shrugs*
Before anyone starts most popular female spaces and publications do not perpetuate the same contempt for anything other and objectification of the opposite sex at all. most of them is centered around what women can do to keep a man, i.e. lose weight, tone, makeup, head manuals etc
Your problem is that you're making something that's not political -- political!
Watch whatever you want, read whatever you want nobody gives a ? .
People give a ? when you decide to change what they want into some ? you want.
Nobody wants to be preached to or lambasted for liking something. Move on. Take all that nagging ? somewhere else, ? was having fun over here.
If you really liked something, you wouldn't go out of your way to change it. It's that type of thinking that is ruining fun ventures.
All this policing of the imagination, telling people what they can and can't fantasize about or buy with their money... ? is arrogant as ? .
Everything ain't about you and your politics.
Get the ? on!
get out your feelings
comics, video games are inherently political because there is no real distinction between politics and stories about the world .... american superhero comics like super man and xmen for instance were political from their earliest days
in the 40s superman was a champion for the oppressed fighting wealthy industrialists and crooked politicians
and it's not about changing what makes comic books and video games video games and comic books... like i said its about practicing social responsibility and expanding the market
again comics and video games aren't just becoming more woman friendly, the industry has made a concerted effort to reach out to poc....even the disabled more than they have done in the past
is that bad? lol
this idea that its about women nagging and wanting to ruin male spaces is your male privilege talking
The industry was never anti-woman, you can't find a single thing that ever said women were welcome.
Female writers and editors going back 30 years
Female characters going back 60-70 years where is this ? you talking about?
lol
in video games and comics?
the humor
they way women are drawn and dressed.... the overt sexualization
the tendency to turn women into expendable plot accessories to further the hero’s arc opposed to 3 dimensional characters
same as for most mediums, male characters are given the overwhelming majority of the speaking lines
we have video games where you can only play male characters who have the ability to pick up and ? female prostitutes
wasn't a big, big comic book reader growing up but that was because of the aforementioned and my parents wasn't with it and all the violence
Actually know the facts. You have no credibility on this topic. You can ? anyone in GTA, not just prostitutes. You obviously never played the game or are just pushing an agenda.
The second bold, so you never were allowed to read comics but claiming women were represented a certain way...how would you know if you weren't allowed to read them? Once again, you are pushing an agenda based on no facts at all. Then it wouldn't matter anyway since your parents were against comic violence lol.
Stop talking about things you have no knowledge or experience with. It makes you look ignorant.
i'm 30 ...i have been able do as i please without the consent of my parents for a while including read comics
i have 4 older brothers who enjoy comics
and been a fan of gta since it was 2d lol
not til i got older did i grow uncomfortable with the game play and it started to bother me there were no playable female protagonist in gta 5 for ex or did female characters historically have major roles
you can ? anyone, but that is besides the point
having no female protagonist, little to no female characters with major roles, and on top of having female prostitutes you can pick up, have sex with and ? is the issue
You don't have to do anything lol. Killing prostitutes is a choice. Why does GTA need female characters as a lead or support? It won't make the game better and that is pushing an agenda once again. The characters in GTA are irrelevant if you enjoy the game. Go play a game that has a female lead or supporting characters. There are many. Out of all the ? up sgit in GTA you are angry about the ability to ? a prostitute? rofl
No gta a lot of ? up ? happens, can happen
But considering that female prositutes are some of the most vulnerable and preyed upon members of our society along with the fact no female characters played prominent roles tht made it even more disturbing
The game is not about killing prostitutes but if it makes you feel better I used to enjoy shooting up the cops, running over random people and blowing up cars. All of that is less disturbing huh? I always made sure the prostitutes were spared.
Sike I sued to run them over after they got out the car and took my money back. ? lol
Bro she didn't actually play this game. She is just parroting a feminist complaint of the game.
You know how i know she never played it? She hasn't mentioned rampaging. Who doesn't mention that when talking about gta? Or the cheat codes. She has played none of this stuff.
@VulcanRaven -
@jono is a male feminist. That explains so much.
What's funnier is the fact that, being someone who considers himself a male feminist..........even he's not buying all the ? @Madame_CJSkywalker 's been saying. -
Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »
right now i'm playing breath of the wild and nba 2k alil
dope how nba live now has wnba teams
but yea the issue is there aren't a great variety of games with female protagonist...things are changing though
lol @ narcissistic ? ....
like others i just want video games, comic industry to not perpetuate negative, sexist stereotypes
and realize women and poc like the ? too...we want to see more of ourselves in a variety of different capacities ....and not just characters that are villains or comic relief or tokens or sexual objects
as a customer of these products think we all have a bit of a right to make request or voice our complaints ...same as ppl can argue the new iron man being a blk girl is a stupid idea
but sure i would think i was being petty or it was just me "nagging" if i was a straight man too
*shrugs*
The bold is hypocritical don't you think? Zelda has always made the titular princess a weak damsel in distress despite the game being named after her. She is the stereotypical weak female from the history of fiction that needs a brave male to save her. Then NBA2K is nothing but masculine (some feminine) men bouncing a ball. Many have pointed out several games with female characters and you are not or have not played any of them. What are you complaining about again? -
Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »VulcanRaven wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »SuperManuel wrote: »That's the crazy thing to me. So much of this ? is fake. I grew up under the impression that ? who read comics, play video games etc were nerds who got no ? and were actively shunned by outsiders.
A movie like the 40 Year Old ? encapsulated this idea. What was the first thing his friends did when they tried to get him some ? ? They wanted to get rid of all his collectibles and nerd stuff because it was ? repellent.
For years this was true:
But out of nowhere it seems like women care so much now about what guys are doing in games or comics
true but girls was always gaming. they only played kiddie ? like super Mario or Kirby though.
That's what folks dont get.
Women read comics
i'm 30 ...i have been able do as i please without the consent of my parents for a while including read comics
i have 4 older brothers who enjoy comics
and been a fan of gta since it was 2d lol
not til i got older did i grow uncomfortable with the game play and it started to bother me there were no playable female protagonist in gta 5 for ex or did female characters historically have major roles
you can ? anyone, but that is besides the point
having no female protagonist, little to no female characters with major roles, and on top of having female prostitutes you can pick up, have sex with and ? is the issue
Go play a game with a female protagonist. There are plenty of those. I doubt you played gta 5. I bet you're only repeating feminist talking points.
If gta 5 was making you uncomfortable then change your game.
Your issue is that you want a form of entertainment to conform to your personal ethics. That's not how the world works. Only a narcissistic ? would think it does.
No one is forcing you to play any game you don't want. But you think it's ok to try and force devs and creators to make a product for a demographic that's not even interested in the industry.
Before gta v what was the last game you played?
@Madame_CJSkywalker
right now i'm playing breath of the wild and nba 2k alil
dope how nba live now has wnba teams
but yea the issue is there aren't a great variety of games with female protagonist...things are changing though
lol @ narcissistic ? ....
like others i just want video games, comic industry to not perpetuate negative, sexist stereotypes
and realize women and poc like the ? too...we want to see more of ourselves in a variety of different capacities ....and not just characters that are villains or comic relief or tokens or sexual objects
as a customer of these products think we all have a bit of a right to make request or voice our complaints ...same as ppl can argue the new iron man being a blk girl is a stupid idea
but sure i would think i was being petty or it was just me "nagging" if i was a straight man too
*shrugs*
What the ? are you talking about ' there arent many great games with females protagonist"
- HORIZON ZERO DAWN
- NIER AUTOMATA
- JILL VALENTINE , ADA WONG IN RESIDENT EVIL SERIES
- RISE OF THE TOMB RAIDER
- THE BOSS in METAL GEAR SOLID SNAKE EATER
- BAYONETTA
- CHUN LI
- CATWOMAN
- BATGIRL
These are blockbusters games, awards winning games, characters who are PRAISED by the gaming community and beyond. Guess what NO MAN HAS EVER COMPLAINED, NO STRIKE HAVE BEEN MADE AGAINST.
And its not for the only the male gaze. These characters are beautifull,POWERFULL, THOUGHTFULL.
aint nothing worse than being a Facebook, Tweeter warrior. You will always ending up RIDICULED. Comics and video games are more feminists than you. The difference is they dont look to DEFEMINIZE WOMEN. Lara Croft is hot and skillfull. So is Batonetta. So is ALOY.
I did not lose my masculinity playing these characters. I did not lose my kettlebell ? strikes playing these games. I had FUN. I dod not once frel TRIGGERED. -
Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »SuperManuel wrote: »That's the crazy thing to me. So much of this ? is fake. I grew up under the impression that ? who read comics, play video games etc were nerds who got no ? and were actively shunned by outsiders.
A movie like the 40 Year Old ? encapsulated this idea. What was the first thing his friends did when they tried to get him some ? ? They wanted to get rid of all his collectibles and nerd stuff because it was ? repellent.
For years this was true:
But out of nowhere it seems like women care so much now about what guys are doing in games or comics
true but girls was always gaming. they only played kiddie ? like super Mario or Kirby though.
That's what folks dont get.
Women read comics and manga too but it ain't the same ? men read.
People think everybody should do everything. Sometimes people just ain't interested!
Women and girls buy and or read comics and such that is women friendly... Even though we make up a significant portion of the market very little is catered towards us which is a part of the problem
And at the end of the day we live in a capitalist society
The ultimate goal is to expend ur market to make more money
That means making comics more accessible to minorities including women, poc and ? now that they have more buying power
Comics, and video games to a lesser extent, also have a long history of racist caricature that the industry is now grapling with
There are more blk super heroes
And recently batman confronts police racism in latest comic book so you have a problem with that?
Should the industry not be held responsible for the misogyny and racism they perpetuate
Should the industry not feel as though they have a social responsibility to address these things? Or rather why do yall have such a big problem with it
*shrugs*
Before anyone starts most popular female spaces and publications do not perpetuate the same contempt for anything other and objectification of the opposite sex at all. most of them is centered around what women can do to keep a man, i.e. lose weight, tone, makeup, head manuals etc
Your problem is that you're making something that's not political -- political!
Watch whatever you want, read whatever you want nobody gives a ? .
People give a ? when you decide to change what they want into some ? you want.
Nobody wants to be preached to or lambasted for liking something. Move on. Take all that nagging ? somewhere else, ? was having fun over here.
If you really liked something, you wouldn't go out of your way to change it. It's that type of thinking that is ruining fun ventures.
All this policing of the imagination, telling people what they can and can't fantasize about or buy with their money... ? is arrogant as ? .
Everything ain't about you and your politics.
Get the ? on!
get out your feelings
comics, video games are inherently political because there is no real distinction between politics and stories about the world .... american superhero comics like super man and xmen for instance were political from their earliest days
in the 40s superman was a champion for the oppressed fighting wealthy industrialists and crooked politicians
and it's not about changing what makes comic books and video games video games and comic books... like i said its about practicing social responsibility and expanding the market
again comics and video games aren't just becoming more woman friendly, the industry has made a concerted effort to reach out to poc....even the disabled more than they have done in the past
is that bad? lol
this idea that its about women nagging and wanting to ruin male spaces is your male privilege talking
The industry was never anti-woman, you can't find a single thing that ever said women were welcome.
Female writers and editors going back 30 years
Female characters going back 60-70 years where is this ? you talking about?
lol
in video games and comics?
the humor
they way women are drawn and dressed.... the overt sexualization
the tendency to turn women into expendable plot accessories to further the hero’s arc opposed to 3 dimensional characters
same as for most mediums, male characters are given the overwhelming majority of the speaking lines
we have video games where you can only play male characters who have the ability to pick up and ? female prostitutes
wasn't a big, big comic book reader growing up but that was because of the aforementioned and my parents wasn't with it and all the violence
Women being sexual isn't anti-woman.
Women are sexual, get over it.
lol
it is when the majority of women are sexualized and have size D breast opposed to the male characters who to a large extent come in varying shapes and sizes ....and actually have ? to do and say that involves more than pleasing the male gaze
Who CARES?! Like is that really an issue? You feel its your place to tell people where to look?
How you going to police the imagination? FOH.
i want girls as well as boys to be able to enjoy the media
everyone should care when the media we consume has shown to influence how we view ourselves/others and and the way we interact with others
like i said this is your male privilege talking
same as poc have been fighting for fair and balanced representation in media...we do it because it has real world consequences that if you aren't poc you wouldn't be aware of or worry about
Its hard for me to enjoy comics when artist make ms marvel look like McCauly Culkin. I havent sexually objectified a femle charecter since middle school. i Iwas going through puberty i outgrew that phase. Show me one femle character in all of marvel and dc that are size DD besides. Power girl i'll wait.....besies i read comic books for entertainment and not to oogle or drool oer hand drawn fictional women. -
Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Ray Bradbury wrote Fahrenheit 451. In that book he bad the vision to see how the grievance industry would blossom.
It started with banning books, now people can twist anything to fit their grievance. ? can find sexism in a bowl of oatmeal if you give them enough time and they think it's a book deal or speaking engagment willing to pay.
Today, the "male gaze" is a grievance. Yes, where your eyes look is problematic now. Not domestic abuse, not real violence but "how dare you look at me?" "Your look dehumanizes me!"
H3H3 makes fun of this ? a lot too. Cultural appropriation is using black gifs and emojis.
This ? is nonsense. These are First World non-problems. You not being injured or disenfranchised by looks and emojis, grow the ? up.
lol
the male gaze is the act of depicting the world and women from a masculine and heterosexual point of view, which present women as objects of male pleasure
it's not just a look
you sound like a middle aged white man
young enough to know that 'cultural appropriation' is, but too inflexible in your views to actually learn what it really means and it's impact
know you got a sjw rant in you
how do you feel about identity politics?
i've never had problems with women gazing at or wagging their tongues at me or grabbing my ass when i was younger so how the ? us a gaze harmful. So now i cant look and ay you? Admiration and adoration is offensive now?What ? up parallel universe are you trying to have us live in? -
VulcanRaven wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Ray Bradbury wrote Fahrenheit 451. In that book he bad the vision to see how the grievance industry would blossom.
It started with banning books, now people can twist anything to fit their grievance. ? can find sexism in a bowl of oatmeal if you give them enough time and they think it's a book deal or speaking engagment willing to pay.
Today, the "male gaze" is a grievance. Yes, where your eyes look is problematic now. Not domestic abuse, not real violence but "how dare you look at me?" "Your look dehumanizes me!"
H3H3 makes fun of this ? a lot too. Cultural appropriation is using black gifs and emojis.
This ? is nonsense. These are First World non-problems. You not being injured or disenfranchised by looks and emojis, grow the ? up.
lol
the male gaze is the act of depicting the world and women from a masculine and heterosexual point of view, which present women as objects of male pleasure
it's not just a look
you sound like a middle aged white man
young enough to know that 'cultural appropriation' is, but too inflexible in your views to actually learn what it really means and it's impact
know you got a sjw rant in you
how do you feel about identity politics?Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »SuperManuel wrote: »That's the crazy thing to me. So much of this ? is fake. I grew up under the impression that ? who read comics, play video games etc were nerds who got no ? and were actively shunned by outsiders.
A movie like the 40 Year Old ? encapsulated this idea. What was the first thing his friends did when they tried to get him some ? ? They wanted to get rid of all his collectibles and nerd stuff because it was ? repellent.
For years this was true:
But out of nowhere it seems like women care so much now about what guys are doing in games or comics
true but girls was always gaming. they only played kiddie ? like super Mario or Kirby though.
That's what folks dont get.
Women read comics and manga too but it ain't the same ? men read.
People think everybody should do everything. Sometimes people just ain't interested!
Women and girls buy and or read comics and such that is women friendly... Even though we make up a significant portion of the market very little is catered towards us which is a part of the problem
And at the end of the day we live in a capitalist society
The ultimate goal is to expend ur market to make more money
That means making comics more accessible to minorities including women, poc and ? now that they have more buying power
Comics, and video games to a lesser extent, also have a long history of racist caricature that the industry is now grapling with
There are more blk super heroes
And recently batman confronts police racism in latest comic book so you have a problem with that?
Should the industry not be held responsible for the misogyny and racism they perpetuate
Should the industry not feel as though they have a social responsibility to address these things? Or rather why do yall have such a big problem with it
*shrugs*
Before anyone starts most popular female spaces and publications do not perpetuate the same contempt for anything other and objectification of the opposite sex at all. most of them is centered around what women can do to keep a man, i.e. lose weight, tone, makeup, head manuals etc
Your problem is that you're making something that's not political -- political!
Watch whatever you want, read whatever you want nobody gives a ? .
People give a ? when you decide to change what they want into some ? you want.
Nobody wants to be preached to or lambasted for liking something. Move on. Take all that nagging ? somewhere else, ? was having fun over here.
If you really liked something, you wouldn't go out of your way to change it. It's that type of thinking that is ruining fun ventures.
All this policing of the imagination, telling people what they can and can't fantasize about or buy with their money... ? is arrogant as ? .
Everything ain't about you and your politics.
Get the ? on!
get out your feelings
comics, video games are inherently political because there is no real distinction between politics and stories about the world .... american superhero comics like super man and xmen for instance were political from their earliest days
in the 40s superman was a champion for the oppressed fighting wealthy industrialists and crooked politicians
and it's not about changing what makes comic books and video games video games and comic books... like i said its about practicing social responsibility and expanding the market
again comics and video games aren't just becoming more woman friendly, the industry has made a concerted effort to reach out to poc....even the disabled more than they have done in the past
is that bad? lol
this idea that its about women nagging and wanting to ruin male spaces is your male privilege talking
The industry was never anti-woman, you can't find a single thing that ever said women were welcome.
Female writers and editors going back 30 years
Female characters going back 60-70 years where is this ? you talking about?
lol
in video games and comics?
the humor
they way women are drawn and dressed.... the overt sexualization
the tendency to turn women into expendable plot accessories to further the hero’s arc opposed to 3 dimensional characters
same as for most mediums, male characters are given the overwhelming majority of the speaking lines
we have video games where you can only play male characters who have the ability to pick up and ? female prostitutes
wasn't a big, big comic book reader growing up but that was because of the aforementioned and my parents wasn't with it and all the violence
Women being sexual isn't anti-woman.
Women are sexual, get over it.
lol
it is when the majority of women are sexualized and have size D breast opposed to the male characters who to a large extent come in varying shapes and sizes ....and actually have ? to do and say that involves more than pleasing the male gaze
Who CARES?! Like is that really an issue? You feel its your place to tell people where to look?
How you going to police the imagination? FOH.
i already explained.... a post you conveniently ignored
anyone who wants girls as well as boys to be able to enjoy video games and comics should care
considering media we consume has shown to influence how we view ourselves/others and and the way we interact with others ppl should care
like i said this is your male privilege talking....
same as poc have been fighting for fair and balanced representation in media...we do it because it has real world consequences that if you aren't poc you wouldn't be aware of or worry about
Girls and boys have been enjoying comics and games for years. They have content that cators to them. Do you even know anything about either medium outside of stereotypes? You sound like a whited racist on Fox news speaking on something that you have no knowledge of.
She doesnt play video games i can tell -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »I find it odd that ? who seem to hate words love communicating on a text based forum. Ya'll ? need to go get on tinychat or something. Literacy seems to hurt your feelings.
? who's side are you on? -
Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »VulcanRaven wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »VulcanRaven wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »SuperManuel wrote: »That's the crazy thing to me. So much of this ? is fake. I grew up under the impression that ? who read comics, play video games etc were nerds who got no ? and were actively shunned by outsiders.
A movie like the 40 Year Old ? encapsulated this idea. What was the first thing his friends did when they tried to get him some ? ? They wanted to get rid of all his collectibles and nerd stuff because it was ? repellent.
For years this was true:
But out of nowhere it seems like women care so much now about what guys are doing in games or comics
true but girls was always gaming. they only played kiddie ? like super Mario or Kirby though.
That's what folks dont get.
Women read comics and manga too but it ain't the same ? men read.
People think everybody should do everything. Sometimes people just ain't interested!
Women and girls buy and or read comics and such that is women friendly... Even though we make up a significant portion of the market very little is catered towards us which is a part of the problem
And at the end of the day we live in a capitalist society
The ultimate goal is to expend ur market to make more money
That means making comics more accessible to minorities including women, poc and ? now that they have more buying power
Comics, and video games to a lesser extent, also have a long history of racist caricature that the industry is now grapling with
There are more blk super heroes
And recently batman confronts police racism in latest comic book so you have a problem with that?
Should the industry not be held responsible for the misogyny and racism they perpetuate
Should the industry not feel as though they have a social responsibility to address these things? Or rather why do yall have such a big problem with it
*shrugs*
Before anyone starts most popular female spaces and publications do not perpetuate the same contempt for anything other and objectification of the opposite sex at all. most of them is centered around what women can do to keep a man, i.e. lose weight, tone, makeup, head manuals etc
Your problem is that you're making something that's not political -- political!
Watch whatever you want, read whatever you want nobody gives a ? .
People give a ? when you decide to change what they want into some ? you want.
Nobody wants to be preached to or lambasted for liking something. Move on. Take all that nagging ? somewhere else, ? was having fun over here.
If you really liked something, you wouldn't go out of your way to change it. It's that type of thinking that is ruining fun ventures.
All this policing of the imagination, telling people what they can and can't fantasize about or buy with their money... ? is arrogant as ? .
Everything ain't about you and your politics.
Get the ? on!
get out your feelings
comics, video games are inherently political because there is no real distinction between politics and stories about the world .... american superhero comics like super man and xmen for instance were political from their earliest days
in the 40s superman was a champion for the oppressed fighting wealthy industrialists and crooked politicians
and it's not about changing what makes comic books and video games video games and comic books... like i said its about practicing social responsibility and expanding the market
again comics and video games aren't just becoming more woman friendly, the industry has made a concerted effort to reach out to poc....even the disabled more than they have done in the past
is that bad? lol
this idea that its about women nagging and wanting to ruin male spaces is your male privilege talking
The industry was never anti-woman, you can't find a single thing that ever said women were welcome.
Female writers and editors going back 30 years
Female characters going back 60-70 years where is this ? you talking about?
lol
in video games and comics?
the humor
they way women are drawn and dressed.... the overt sexualization
the tendency to turn women into expendable plot accessories to further the hero’s arc opposed to 3 dimensional characters
same as for most mediums, male characters are given the overwhelming majority of the speaking lines
we have video games where you can only play male characters who have the ability to pick up and ? female prostitutes
wasn't a big, big comic book reader growing up but that was because of the aforementioned and my parents wasn't with it and all the violence
Actually know the facts. You have no credibility on this topic. You can ? anyone in GTA, not just prostitutes. You obviously never played the game or are just pushing an agenda.
The second bold, so you never were allowed to read comics but claiming women were represented a certain way...how would you know if you weren't allowed to read them? Once again, you are pushing an agenda based on no facts at all. Then it wouldn't matter anyway since your parents were against comic violence lol.
Stop talking about things you have no knowledge or experience with. It makes you look ignorant.
i'm 30 ...i have been able do as i please without the consent of my parents for a while including read comics
i have 4 older brothers who enjoy comics
and been a fan of gta since it was 2d lol
not til i got older did i grow uncomfortable with the game play and it started to bother me there were no playable female protagonist in gta 5 for ex or did female characters historically have major roles
you can ? anyone, but that is besides the point
having no female protagonist, little to no female characters with major roles, and on top of having female prostitutes you can pick up, have sex with and ? is the issue
You don't have to do anything lol. Killing prostitutes is a choice. Why does GTA need female characters as a lead or support? It won't make the game better and that is pushing an agenda once again. The characters in GTA are irrelevant if you enjoy the game. Go play a game that has a female lead or supporting characters. There are many. Out of all the ? up sgit in GTA you are angry about the ability to ? a prostitute? rofl
No gta a lot of ? up ? happens, can happen
But considering that female prositutes are some of the most vulnerable and preyed upon members of our society along with the fact no female characters played prominent roles tht made it even more disturbing
Most npcs in gta are vunrable. Play gta online you can create your own femal character . You can make her look like you.Gta 5 story mode is garbage. -
Men were under attack
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SuperManuel wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Ray Bradbury wrote Fahrenheit 451. In that book he bad the vision to see how the grievance industry would blossom.
It started with banning books, now people can twist anything to fit their grievance. ? can find sexism in a bowl of oatmeal if you give them enough time and they think it's a book deal or speaking engagment willing to pay.
Today, the "male gaze" is a grievance. Yes, where your eyes look is problematic now. Not domestic abuse, not real violence but "how dare you look at me?" "Your look dehumanizes me!"
H3H3 makes fun of this ? a lot too. Cultural appropriation is using black gifs and emojis.
This ? is nonsense. These are First World non-problems. You not being injured or disenfranchised by looks and emojis, grow the ? up.
lol
the male gaze is the act of depicting the world and women from a masculine and heterosexual point of view, which present women as objects of male pleasure
it's not just a look
you sound like a middle aged white man
young enough to know that 'cultural appropriation' is, but too inflexible in your views to actually learn what it really means and it's impact
know you got a sjw rant in you
how do you feel about identity politics?
i've never had problems with women gazing at or wagging their tongues at me or grabbing my ass when i was younger so how the ? us a gaze harmful. So now i cant look and ay you? Admiration and adoration is offensive now?What ? up parallel universe are you trying to have us live in?
Guys do you see the hypocrisy in this male gazing eye ? lunacy? -
VulcanRaven wrote: »HundredEyes wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »How ridiculous. People don't have water, people don't have homes, people don't have rights but by gawd we gotta fight the male gaze.
lol
smh
says the person crying about women wanting fair and balance representation across mediums
what about your priorities bruh
i'm only responding to a thread you created
Co sign this ? to the fullest.
Wtf are those developers, artists etc thinking using their so called imagination, creativity and dare I say it...free will and money...
We need panels...people who check these fools worldwide on the ? they make up. Put everyone in boxes and corner them all up so that people of all walks of life are probably represented...
? , I for one am absolutely disgusted that senior citizens did not get the proper representation in Dragon Ball Super...Japan has more elderly than young folk.
And why are there barely any bald headed or bearded up super heroes? Evidently there are loads of bald headed mofos out there....and what did we get? One punch man? The ? ? Batman has been rocking the cowl for decades yet his hairline never fades?
Worst book ever written was the Lord of the rings..orcs, dwarves, wizards....but no Asian women?
And don't even get me started on game of thrones...white walkers? No black walkers? Mist be two sides.
Like you I'm tired and fed up reading, watching and hearing all types of ? other people created that doesn't reflect my grand understanding of the world.
You are on point, but you missed the biggest issue of all with Game of Thrones. Why no land dragons b? She got flying dragons but not all dragons can fly. Why they don't add no diversity by having land dragons. They can't fly but they are still dragons.
GoT dragons aren't even dragons technically. They are wyverns. Martin just does his own thing, so in his world all dragons fly.
